r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Ts_Patriarca • 1d ago
General Is Winston not utterly broken right now?
Switched to PC from console. Emerald all roles right now. I never played Winston on console but I have started to now on PC.
This character is literally hitler. Like you can just do whatever you want. His bubble uptime is outrageous now. If you ban bastion there's nothing that can really stop you. Like yeah w chain Mizuki the shield I just plopped in your face is gonna HATE that lil bro.
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u/Swimming-Deer1437 1d ago
Moneky being good is always healthy for the game. Better him than hazard anyways.
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
Bro FUCK hazard
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u/Shinobiii 1d ago
He’s weird to me: He’s my most liked, most hated character. I don’t mind seeing him in a match, but I hate seeing him in a match. I think he’s fine, but I also hate exploding to his one-shot.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — 1d ago
I'd honestly rather shoot at Hazard's block slopping ass than Winston's bubbles all game.
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u/HumanWithHumanSkin 1d ago
Yeah hazard is scarier and will probably directly kill your more often, but Winston will just make you shoot shield for most of the engage unless you swap for it.
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u/Legitimate_Fail2272 1d ago
dont forget that while you shoot bubble you cant really kill winston (but can kill hazard) and while doing it, you will also die from wintons teammates that arent under pressure anymore and have much less pressure because winton have much more effective hp than hazard and half of it (bubble) "heals" itself
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u/docs-quad 1d ago
better hazard than most of the ground tanks
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u/Swimming-Deer1437 1d ago
On that we can agree. No one wants a RAM or Orisa meta.
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u/docs-quad 1d ago
i wouldnt mind them if they were less defensive but thats unlikely to happen because blizzard has dictated they must be stand your ground tanks rather than rushdown tanks. aggressive orisa is awesome but they keep gimping it, and ram has never not been allowed to just be a block bot.
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u/Swimming-Deer1437 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ram is easier to fix in my opinion than orisa. He has two major issues, his shield simply has too much HP and block slop. In some ways I kinda wish he was similar to emma from rivals, where your omnic form was actually an offensive one. Honestly I would like for them to replace block with something, but I dont know what. I thought of maybe giving him a tackle that knocks down enemies, similarly to JPCs ult, but that might be a bit too much.
Orisa has the issue that you cant really get close to her as any brawl tank, she cant be CCed and can displace you with two CDs, while massively reducing the damage she takes. She simply cant cycle her CD way too well. I have 0 ideas how she could be tackled.
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u/docs-quad 1d ago
for orisa i think they should remove the movement penalty on fortify (or potentially even give it a small speed boost) but let her be crit during it again, that way she can be more aggressive during it but also its easier to burn her down during it. it wouldnt fix all her issues but it would help.
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u/Adventurous_Fill_218 1d ago
The shield isn’t an issue or shouldn’t be. Play another angle,focus fire or use characters that can melt the shield. He struggles against some dive or aerial based characters too.
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u/tix4chix 1d ago
Could be busted but the ability in Stadium that lets him dash while blocking might be a good replacement. Just make it a 5/6s CD or whatever works and now Ram is 100% aggression in Nemesis form and can chase down kills but crumples if he overextends
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u/Legitimate_Fail2272 1d ago
if ram will be meta ow will be cooked, because they made tanks literally npcs if ram is meta
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u/skillmau5 1d ago
This is such a weird trope that everyone believes here for some reason. Meanwhile, everyone actually hates when monkey is good because it’s a 600hp gorilla tickling you to death while you can’t even damage him. And I’m a Winston main. I just know it’s better for him to be B or C tier or else everyone freaks the fuck out.
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u/Swimming-Deer1437 23h ago
He's good right now and I find him a bliss to fight. Not being a burst monster helps with that. I also enjoy playing with monkey especially as an FDPS main, since that means I'll always have a buddy to dive with.
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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 1d ago
If this was 6v6 maybe. 5v5 Winston with his tanky bubble, low cds, and stronger damage(than he used to be) is far less healthy for the game than he used to be.
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u/PM-ME-YOUR-LABS Least unhinged COW user — 1d ago
He still has the same fundamental kit though, it’s just adjusted for power creep. The other team still has opportunities to punish your mistakes, your value is directly tied to your ability to take and hold space in the purest sense, playing into counters is a matter of game sense/CD tracking, and Primal is arguably the most difficult ultimate in the game, but also has the highest skill ceiling.
He doesn’t have massive burst damage, stuns, unpredictable mobility, or a “Press [key] To Win” button, so playing with or against a good Winton feels like a collective skill check instead of a mirror/tank duel that nullifies the other 8 players in the lobby
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u/Extreme_Lychee8299 1d ago
The bubble cd buff put him over the top they need to reduce the hp
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u/iAnhur 1d ago
If they have to nerf him this is probably what I'd prefer 100%. Let him have his cd cycle but just lower the shield uptime a bit
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u/Extreme_Lychee8299 1d ago
Exactly cause even a small hp nerf would help but right now he is thanos he gets primal every fight lmao
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u/bromar24 1d ago
They reduced the cooldown by 2 seconds and the duration by 1 second. Realistically though, the duration doesn't matter. They should have just left the duration at 8 secs and reduce CD by 1 sec
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u/Over_Bake_9084 1d ago
A Winston and a competent Ana + dive DPS is an absolute nightmare
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u/msx92 1d ago
The Ana component gets overlooked but alternating primal and nano every 2 fights really elevates how aggressive winston can play
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u/DrToadigerr 1d ago
Not to mention Anti eliminates one of Winston's biggest drawbacks, which is low DPS. Usually if you don't have help from a DPS applying the healing reduction passive, most supports can just peel for someone at basically any amount of remaining HP and completely stall out Winston's kill because their HPS is higher than his DPS with his gun. The easiest example to give is Mercy, whose healing beam just outright halts Winston's gun damage, it's impossible to kill the target as long as she keeps holding left click. Obviously that's not really a
huge deal since Winston can just turn and eat Mercy instead, but there are other cases where it can be really hard to finish off a kill before you're vulnerable because he just doesn't have the burst damage to secure it in the face of a support who didn't get there soon enough, or any form or CC to lock them both down. So Anti just lets him secure the kill.4
u/Teusku 1d ago
Usually if you don't have help from a DPS applying the healing reduction passive,
the passive has been global for ages
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u/DrToadigerr 1d ago
Oh wow I actually had no idea haha. So I guess even with the passive, his gun doesn't outpace some heroes' HPS (at least factoring in needing to reload). All the more reason why Anti is super helpful for him to clean up.
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u/Legitimate_Fail2272 1d ago
dmon would disagree she is literally his perfect counter, can damage bubble and him at the same time, can keep up, can shoot to finish this mf in air, can even boop him from bubble
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u/Orkaborg2 1d ago
Winston jumps on high ground and she can't do anything really
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u/IlyDone 1d ago
the match up is map dependant then coz winston chilling on highground doesn't do anything if his targets are with dmon
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u/Orkaborg2 1d ago
Dmon isn't for peeling for your team, she herself usually chases squishies leaving her team vulnereable
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u/IlyDone 1d ago
Yeah so it becomes a classic dive tank vs dive tank and whichever tank kills the backline faster can then help out his own backline, if both die then they 1v1 which dmon usually wins i think.
I am just saying that just because winston can go highground on some maps, that doesn't mean dmon automatically isn't a better matchup against winston. Its map and team dependant.
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u/Primary-Risk-8741 14h ago
this concept of winston losing a highground map against dmon is crazy actually what kind of games are you playing
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u/ConditionStrange7487 1d ago
then what does winston do to stop the team from taking space?
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u/Orkaborg2 1d ago
Pressure backline with poke threatening to jump on squishies
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u/ConditionStrange7487 20h ago
and that protects winstons back line from being dove by dmon how?
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u/Valoriant 17h ago
Are you essentially asking about the concept of trading backlines or how taking space and map control that the enemies typically can't is advantageous?
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u/ConditionStrange7487 16h ago
can you say anything productive or just be condescending with nothing else added?
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u/itsaltarium 1d ago edited 20h ago
This is map dependant imo. D.mon can’t do shit to a Winston in Dorado but she eats him alive in Nepal.
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u/WithCheezMrSquidward 1d ago
I mostly pick Winston on maps with high ground. Most tanks beat Winston in a straight 1v1. The thing is Winston isn’t attacking the tank he’s attacking the supports, and he just needs to use his bubble to survive long enough to jump away.
If a DMON catches me without jump I’m in trouble, but the way I play Winston is never be fighting her unless I’m basically already dead.
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u/foxxy33 None — 1d ago
Winston is one of the most counterswap-sensitive characters. Even with Bastion banned there's 9464425975 other characters that screw up Winston dives. On all roles.
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u/Techpriestt 1d ago
Doom has entered the chat
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u/Poopking180 22h ago
Winston isn’t the aids that doomfist is
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u/Noisykeelar 5h ago
Entire roster counters him. if you still complain about him its a skill issue atp and no one can do anything about it besides you.
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u/planet1999stan 1d ago
Yes he's very strong right now but he is one of the characters you're not allowed to complain about so whatever 🤷♂️
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u/jiyeon_str 1d ago
like rein, honest tanks or whatever no matter how cheesy they are now
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u/OffSupportMain 1d ago
Rein hasn't been honest in years, the only people that still call him honest are Rein mains
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u/ImNotARocketSurgeon 1d ago
He can't interact with half the roster
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u/OffSupportMain 1d ago
Neither can Junkrat and he was never considered honest
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u/Particular-Wolf-1705 1d ago
Ive never seen a rein dive bomb over a roof to 1 shot me and accidentally kill my teammate from a random shot spammed after.
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u/Teusku 1d ago
You've never seen a rein pin down some random angle to 1-shot you and accidentally kill your teammate while randomly swinging around?
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u/Particular-Wolf-1705 15h ago
If rein pins it down main, he dies with very little exception. If he doesnt, it took major resources that puts the enemy team at a huge disadvantage. Also even if he gets the kill, him getting traded is amazing for you, literally no hero he can one shot kill is worth his life as a tank.
Im ngl, I can probably count the number of times ive died as a dps to random swings with one hand in the past 100 games. If im that close, its usually my fault.
For a junkrat, his life as NOT A TANK is worth practically half the tanks. Any trade puts his team at the VERY least in to an even position, but realistically a better one since even if he dies, not only does he get a trade, he draws attention and resources from the frontline.
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u/jiyeon_str 20h ago
Dva bomb is an ultimate and relatively easy to dodge if you have basic ult awareness. Don't get me started on rein pin :)
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u/Unfair_Stage792 1d ago
Unfortunately without changing his kit he has to be dishonest to be viable. Shieldbash should be a minor or just basekit at this point. The micro spacing it allows for makes the character much more engaging to play with and against.
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u/NikWarlord 1d ago
If Rein isn't an honest character I'd really like to know who you consider as one then
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u/OffSupportMain 1d ago
I think in the tank roster Winston and Junkerqueen are pretty honest with Sigma being an honorable mention. They're characters with clear strengths and weaknesses, lots of skill expression and decision-making that feels pretty fair, a good choice gets you kills, a bad choice gets you killed unlike other tanks that can get away with some bullshit.
Rein used to be honest back in OW1, but 2 Firestrikes and cancelable charge are both dishonest tools, he's not Hazard tier or even close to it, but he is not honest anymore.
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u/IncoherentPolitics 1d ago
1800 hp wholesome chungus shield
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u/AarodimusChrast 1d ago
Yeah but he cannot do anything while having shield up other than look around (and shield bash ig)
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u/hanyou007 None — 1d ago
Rein enables cancer. Winston enables the most fun playstyle in the game.
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u/TheGirthiestGhost Forever Burning Blue — 1d ago
This sub has gotten so fucking contrarian in the past year. There’s literally no hero that doesn’t get complained about anymore when they’re meta even though they’re better than 99% of the alternatives
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u/Neither7 1d ago
i don't know if he is but the 10s buff is silly as fuck. He has more shield uptime than Sigma now.
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u/Darkcat9000 1d ago
i legit think he's the best tank in the game rn but people still talk about him like he's this niche pick
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — 1d ago
They buffed the most absolutely annoying element of Winston, his shield. I swear to god he's almost uninteractable right now with how frequently his has his leap and shield.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 1d ago
I think the worst part is they just significantly lowered his skill expression because his punish window is almost non existent now. You can force his bubble early but he will still jump into your backline without bubble because he gets it back in 2 seconds now so he doesn't have to care about it.
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u/VapeSmoker420blazeit 1d ago
his shield is better than dominas which is really weird and shouldnt be a thing
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u/Unfair_Stage792 1d ago
It has pretty much always been the best shield in the game. It was balanced by having a cooldown which they decided to remove.
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u/UglyDemoman 1d ago
Meanwhile players in red team instantly burst my bubble.
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
I find the trick is to never jump from main. Like you have to jump from the most stupid angles you can find. I find ignoring my team mid fight and staging from behind works well
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u/skillmau5 1d ago
Important trick to monkey definitely. There’s a perception that you have to help your backline much more than you actually need to
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u/CorrectSympathy7590 1d ago
"You like thing you're dumb. I hate thing it is slop."
"You are dumb for hating thing. I like thing and what you like is slop"
-Every single post on this sub
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
No I love playing him. Did you read the post. I'm playing him and I think he's op as fuck
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u/OkPhoto2282 1d ago
Readings hard titles only
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u/MythoclastBM 1d ago
Yes. I haven't seen a Winston lose. I haven't lost on Winston.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — 1d ago
Legitimately. I have probably played over 20 games with Winston in them this season, and I swear to god, not only has the Winston team won every game, but Winston almost always finishes with some obnoxious 40-2 K/D. I don't think I've ever really recalled anything like it before.
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u/TF_is_self_heal_even 1d ago
There is no inbetween, you either go 40-2 or 2-40. Unlike other tanks you get no value for feeding, good dives result in an enemy dying and the bad ones kill monke.
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u/extremerulesofengage hammer enthusiast — 1d ago
“This character is literally Hitler” here are other tanks that COULD be dominating instead, and you tell me what you think.
Hazard
Mauga
D.va
Hog
Orisa
Thoughts?
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u/BlueberrySvedka 1d ago
He’s arguably the best tank rn but only with his major perk imo. Hes also probably the most hard counterable tank in the game? There are comps that have so much dps that’s he’s useless
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u/That-Comparison-7824 1d ago
Demon is unstoppable and stronger than winston. Also doom is the most counterable hero in the game. There are so many ways to counter a doom
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u/BlueberrySvedka 1d ago
Don’t think that’s true at all and the number of top 100 doom one tricks that have terrorized the ladder compared to Winston one tricks is proof. Dooms burst damage and shorter cooldown cycle makes him way more flexible
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u/SammyIsSeiso 1d ago
which major?
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u/BlueberrySvedka 1d ago
Either, both are pretty game changing imo but his chain lightning makes him good into comps that used to farm him
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u/MrSyphax None — 1d ago
at that rank he does kind of feel immortal and will force a lot of dumb counter picks that will hopefully open up your dps to kill everyone
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
Reaper squaring up to me for an honest man to man 1v1 like I'm not gonna just leave and go pummel his supports
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u/gurso21 1d ago
yes, thats why ive started banning him, id say hes stronger than dmon but they are both busted as shit, glad someone else noticed and has a brain.
Another 5v5 moment of turning a skillful chatacter into invincible slop that takes 0 talent Zzzzzz
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u/AcanthisittaFew4339 1d ago
5v5 just ruined tanks, forcing the meta to be anyone who is immortal at the time.
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u/RaaaaaaaNoYokShinRyu Well, if it isn't saucy Jack! — 1d ago
Characters like Dmon and Winton who don’t have to aim and have a high value ceiling will always be good in most ranks
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u/Orphanblood 1d ago
Winston is my tank main, he carried me to plat in OW1. I will love him forever and always.
OW hitler to me, would be widow or mei or fucking A GOOD HAVOK OH MY GOD I HATE THAT CHAMP.
Also go Doctrine, counters the fuck out of Winston.
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u/Antiprimary 21h ago
who is havok
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u/Person033 18h ago
I assume Hazard
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u/Strange_Position7970 17h ago
I think he's talking about Hammond since he called him a champ, which is basically part of Hammond's character.
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u/hanyou007 None — 1d ago
I know isn't it great? Overwatch at it's best when Winston is doing his thing.
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u/gadgaurd 1d ago
I don't tend to have any trouble against him unless I refuse to switch. I've got one or two characters out of my usual roster in each roll that gives him a hard time. Mauga, Ramattra, Sierra, Mei, Symettra, & Mei are my usual picks to shut down the big monkey.
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u/NeedleEleonora 13h ago
lol. i wanted to make the same post. winston is omega broken. looked it up, post from a couple weeks ago talking about winston being op got downvoted to death. hilarious
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u/No-Chemical-7667 6h ago
Idk if he's broken, but he is very good. If your team isn't willing to deal with him he will dismantle you one by one.
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u/Facetank_ 1d ago
Wasn't he considered crap last season? I could've sworn I was seeing comments about him being completely outclassed. He didn't even get a hitbox change. I get that metas help and hurt heroes, but is a hero really broken if they fall in and out like that?
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u/KF-Sigurd 1d ago
He got buffed, -2 s on bubble cd. Also, there’s two really good dive supports out right now with Sombra and Doctrine.
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
He got buffed
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u/No_Association5425 1d ago
also the hog rework is helping a bit as all hog players are relearning the hero.
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u/Deshoda7676 1d ago
Hes a top tier tank, but him being top tier is better than most alternatives. Dmon, dva are on par if not better.
If its not winston, its zarya with her 2 bubbles, ground tank sleeper meta in orisa/hog/ram/mauga. You like poke? hopefully its sigma because the brief domina meta was like taking nyquil. But try interacting with a sigma when hes meta. Those cooldowns are getting cycled. Take your pick. . Winston/JQ metas are the most engaging in 5v5 personally.
All i have to say is 5v5 moment. Winston isnt hitler, super tanks are hitler. Tanks metas are like the democratic party, its as if they assign a rotating villain. In 6v6 is so easy to manage or counter. Supports have no issues with him considering hes at 525 and they are at 250 hp with a lowered anti heal passive. And you can throw an off tank at the problem.
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u/Equivalent-Bus-4336 1d ago
Do we do anything but complain? Goddam, just counter slop him that’s the entire premise of the game
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u/Dear-Explorer-3725 1d ago
Counterswapping is NOT the entire premise of the game.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — 1d ago
Winston is genuinely not as easy to counter as people act like he is. Like I'm sorry, but Reaper is fucking awful against Winston outside of metal ranks and Bastion is only able to do anything on a CD that Winston can play around.
Countering Winston feels like you're at the mercy of your tank's pick half the time.
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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 1d ago
and Bastion is only able to do anything on a CD that Winston can play around.
You'll also lose a lot of value playing to counter Winston as Bastion since you need to hold turret most of the game(if my read is right, I could be off)
Plus, depending on where your supports position, they can just negate your pick entirely by giving him cover.
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u/NN11ght 1d ago
But that would require swapping off their mains which is apparently too much to ask for
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u/imjusttoowhite 1d ago
Also in many ranks, most people who switch to Reaper/Bastion/Dva specifically to counter Winston, don't actually know HOW to play those heroes, and the swap actually makes things worse.
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u/Dependent_Oven_468 1d ago
Isn’t Reaper not even that good into Winston anymore? He’s not that scary to Winston nowadays.
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u/-D3LET3D- 1d ago
Agreed. I'm so fucking sick of hero/balance discourse, win rates posted every hour, "why are we not talking about this hero", "this hero is badly designed and needs changes" or skill floor/skill ceiling shit every day all the time.
Like goddamn man I get it, it's discussion on a discussion board and it can be constructive and we should have these conversations but it's legit just negativity like all the time and every single hero and aspect of the game is a problem and needs to be rebalanced or reworked.
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u/Sea_Albatross342 1d ago
I do play the game which is why I find 10s healing bubble winston ridiculous
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u/Sensanaty mcrree main btw — 1d ago
The shield is absurd, if it's going to have this much uptime the HP needs to be reduced.
Don't let the r/cow Winston mafia hear you though, they all like to pretend the wholesome chungus dive tank is the peak of skill for some unknowable reason
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u/nekogami87 I'm old — 1d ago edited 1d ago
Broken ? no.
Very Strong ? definitely. He just seems very OP because it seems like a LOT of people just forgot how to play against him since he was out of meta for nearly nearly 1.5 year.
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u/ThaddCorbett 1d ago
I will never ever complain about Winston being too strong. He's fun to play with and against
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u/evelyn_labrie 1d ago
back to blaming another tank and calling them op till they get nerfed to hell and then we moan and groan about the next one and keep the cycle going, let’s gooooo! i call dibs on dva next
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u/browserz 1d ago
Add on that doctrine gives him a damage boost on an effective 9 second cooldown and heals a shit ton keeping you alive from relatively far away
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u/Perpetual_Platypi 1d ago
lucio in mid emerald has been good for me since boop and speed are a lot better at denying his engages than miz chain
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u/Dxrules90 1d ago
Winston is an amazing tank whenever I see a winston or a dva as a dps i know im going to have to sit by my team to avoid him destroying me
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u/lexE5839 1d ago
He’s my main and I instantly climbed from masters to almost champ since the update, it’s ridiculous how good he is atm. But he’s totally balanced of course 😂
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u/SkyShuro 1d ago
He’s harder on console cause everyone has aim assist and aim assist with hitscans is overpowered
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u/Extremiel Kevster 🐐 — 1d ago
Don't say it too loud but yes. My boy is fantastic right now and I'm feasting on SR.
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u/IlyDone 1d ago
I've played winston for the last year and I genuinely don't feel any difference playing him. Sure the buff is nice but the moment they go reaper, bastion, mizuki, ana, dva, hog, orisa or dmon I just get fucked hard. Still winable I often like to outplay something like a reaper and demolish despite him but combine some of these and I just cease to exist and it doesn't feel any different this season. I had games the seasons before where I solo destroy the whole backline, but also games were I am not allowed to do shit unless my whole team supports my dive.
I think people just might be playing him more coz of the buff and realizing he was always busted in the right situations. I think people just didn't realize that winston was allowed to do similar stuff before because nobody played him?
Its also kinda crazy to see how winston is considered meta once in a long ass times and suddenly people come out and call him hit***. Out of most tanks he is by far one of the easiest to counter and falls apart with a proper team comp and team play.
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u/SilverMarinus 1d ago
In the west, players have always seen Reinhardt as the default tank. In Korea, players have always seen Winston as the default tank. In general they have a more agreed upon mindset of teamwork, even in casual games. In the west everyone is solo carry minded.
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u/Ill-List-664 1d ago edited 1d ago
He definitely is overturned but it’s just people being biased tbh he just does too much now he doesn’t really need a lot of support or help if the person playing him is good enough and for this I’m talking about high elo counter play I say that and a lot of it is due to the subrole and ridiculous perks he has as for low elo a lot of feeding is enabled by characters like Ana and Kiri and even more so when he’s able to do ridiculous things with his perks to perma farm ult charge but this is the issue with a lot of tanks with similar perks that heal or create a better ult farm for them so tldr yes he’s broken people just won’t admit it cus they think he’s an honest tank but he’s just as obnoxious as any other unkillable tank
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 23h ago
As a whole balancing is a disaster right now. Unless you are dive you aren't happy rn. People are going to Deadlock or playing less its sad
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u/olsaltyfingas 21h ago
I mean I think he's kind of perfectly balanced for a tank and all other tanks should be balanced around his power levels, but that's obviously easier said than done
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u/OneFinePine 20h ago
Winston's bubble build is super strong in Stadium right now too. Obligatory RIP Stadium.
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u/LifeguardBusiness633 10h ago
M5 last season. Monkey can be a worry but it can be easy to deal with. If yoyr in an elo where people won't swap to counter or try play a comp to trap it. The for sure won't know where to position against it it'll seem.strong for sure
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u/Low_Statistician_891 1d ago
Winston good for one season and people riot. Meanwhile kiri soj and others have been meta for years.
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u/TheReal9bob9 1d ago
The people good against him are just really weak and since its a dive meta he is rewarded even more since he can actually fight genji with no real downside or just fight dive with dive. You could just play ram so you can ignore the bubble and ground him but he do be strong atm.
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u/Thin-Competition-769 1d ago
Winston has never been broken at any time in overwatch history, sure he could have been overtuned at one point, but never broken. When winston is meta or good its not because he is overbuffed or broken, but because dive is meta and what he needs on his team are in a good state. If you are a good player you will get value on winston, but if you are used to playing ball, doom or hazard ect that have free value with their dmg reduction you will instantly die expecting winston to be as tanky as them. Winston requires skill to be good at
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u/bigDeku77 1d ago
Even though Winston is good rn, you can make that argument about any hero because you’re in emerald. Can roll lobbies on legit any character in that elo.
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u/Ts_Patriarca 1d ago
Well that's the thing, I actually can't. I can perform well on my main Tracer who I've been playing for 4 years, but on Winston who I've been playing for 3 days I'm like Thanos
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u/More-Cat1123 1d ago
Zen. You go Zen and discord his ass. Melts no problem.
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u/AcanthisittaFew4339 1d ago
The problem is you get melted as zen by literally any dive character.
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u/More-Cat1123 1d ago
Depends on how good you/ they are. Kick, discord, spam balls in his face and he's dead. Play with your tank or another DPS so they can't dive. If nothing works, sure, switch but there are things you can do as Zen.
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u/UrButtLmfaoooo 1d ago
Yea against a single dive Zen MIGHT be okay, however, in this meta where its a HEAVY dive meta, playing zen lowkey might be trolling
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u/Savagebabypig 1d ago
Monkey is weak if the team just takes a moment to break bubble and scare him away, otherwise he becomes server admin if left ignored
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u/Dunwichorer 1d ago
Wait you guys don't enjoy breaking bubbles all game long?