r/DeadlockTheGame • u/SheuiPauChe • 9h ago
Discussion Deadlock just reached a new all-time peak of 300k 22 hours ago
Keep in mind that this game isn't even out yet and has zero marketing, purely spreading via word of mouth.
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u/aidsincarnate Venator 9h ago
I wonder what the retention is gonna be like. Pre CNS it was about 70-100k peak daily. I wonder how many of these new players will stick.
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u/No-Bid9597 9h ago edited 6h ago
Dota has managed to hold onto about 650k* for the past several years, about 40% of its peak, but I wouldnāt be surprised if Deadlock had more as this game is a bit more accessible in terms of familiarity and lore. At the same time, finding out what a commitment it is may be a quit moment for many.
Edit: I thought it was 400k but it was more than that hence the asterisk
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u/BrotherPoet 9h ago
Dota players are different breed.
Many people have been following that genre, and that particular game for the best part of 25 years.
Iām really interested in the crossover of Dota 2 players that have become supplemental or full-time Deadlock players.
Iāve got 3,000 hours of Dota 2 logged and Iām all in on Deadlock now.
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u/No-Bid9597 9h ago
Lol I have almost 13,000 hours and stopped about 1k mmr into immortal. Deadlock is just as cognitively demanding but the macro is 100x easier to keep track of, it's more of a skill thing, so it feels fresh. So, same.
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u/BrotherPoet 9h ago
I think thereāll always be period where I go back to Dota 2 but I sort of transitioned into more of a shooty guy anyway so having a MOBA that also benefits from me being a shit hot aimer has been brilliant.
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u/raizen19 9h ago
With 13k hours in dota too, deadlock is more intense and the uptime of action is higher. You can't click base and go hands off even one second ... And yeah the macro is "easier"
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u/No-Bid9597 9h ago
Yeah but if you die lategame you can go for a piss since you don't need to watch for buyback. Good tradeoff for me. Agree with you though.
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u/raizen19 8h ago
It makes for a more tiring experience imho...
Still great tho, this is dota3 pretty much
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u/Easy-Guess9147 Lady Geist 2h ago
Dota3D, left dota fully for deadlock for now since it scratches the same itch but positive sides like you mentioned (9kh indota)
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u/Novel_Dog_676 6h ago
Yeah idk this is the same issue for me. Maybe Iām just getting old but this game is incredibly demanding mechanically. Dota is more complex just given the amount of heroes and skills but Deadlock is definitely more of a sweat and not necessarily in a good way
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u/CodySkillzBrah 9h ago
Im in the exact same boat played dota for years but ive made the switch to deadlock feels like the dota beta days all over again and its awesome
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u/BrotherPoet 9h ago
Yeah being back in at the ground floor like back in 2011 feels nice, even if itās the worldās worst kept secret club at this point!
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u/SeboFiveThousand 8h ago
3k Dota-head here as well
I will be playing both for some time, but I do think Dota 2 is an actual opiate of some description, will be playing that until my deathbed most likely
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u/BrotherPoet 8h ago
Dota 2 will never fully let me go, partly because I just really enjoy that perspective of game sometimes and the latest ARPGs never quite grip me the same.
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u/SeboFiveThousand 7h ago
For me it's just the endless depth and complexity, as far as a competitive online game goes it's by far my favourite!
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u/False_Ideal_5140 6h ago
I was once top 1500 NA like 6-7 years ago and I stopped playing like 4-5 years ago and I have 12k hours and have the lowest hours out of all of my friends who I played dota with, they all have like 22k+ hours
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u/rnflposter 51m ago
I had 13k hours in dota. Stopped playing dota 2 around the time when Shiv came out and been playing deadlock ever since. The game just feels fresher to me and i like the lack of roles in this moba. Everybody farms!
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u/TDio 7h ago
dude, dota has just had a 1 million 24 hour peak in this month lol its retention is way better than you think even after all these years
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u/DoubleSpoiler 4h ago
I think considering the game is both Dota3 and Valve's new Source2 modding base, I think it's going to do very, very, very well.
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u/throwawaynewpibuildr Sinclair 2h ago
Probably not as much as we think. I've seen more "casual gamers" takes, and a lot of them are "i like the art direction and characters, but i don't wanna play a moba"..
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u/Krasovchik Abrams 9h ago
itās really big on tik tok rn i expect it to keep growing because of needing to know someone to get in. Especially once nurse harrow is in and the amount of deadman danny combo vids that are gonna come out in the next 3 months.
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u/ginger6616 4h ago
Funny how many comments are āhow do I play thisā? If the game wasnāt in closed beta I bet it would be like 400k
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u/Gombrongler 2h ago
Why is it in closed beta if it can handle these numbers?
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u/ginger6616 11m ago
Because valve never asked or promoted that number. Itās purely passion and love from the community raising the number that high. In another universe, it would still have around 2k players like back in early 2024
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u/Amazing-Custard-2552 Drifter 9h ago
dead god, standard must be a chaos
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u/konyachella 8h ago
it really is. the matches aren't really enjoyable since there's a bunch of people in the lobby who have no clue of what is happening. of course they have the right to enjoy the game and learn from scratch, but quality of the matches still dropped drastically
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u/LeonMotton 8h ago
Can't really complain about it. I mean when I first started, I geniunely had to stop to read an item and abilities descriptions because I forgot what they do. The newbies are still discovering the game. We should our best to help them with it.
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u/konyachella 21m ago
oh, don't get me wrong, i absolutely agree! it's a blessing in disguise that the game gets more popular each day and we totally should help out the newbies, not blame them
that being said, it's still frustrating play one-sided games, no matter if you win or lose. we need an update on a matchmaking system, since it teams up the newbies next to more advanced players
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u/josephjts 7h ago
I get Street Brawl is the haha 4fun game mode but when I have 300 hours and (what I would consider) a high win rate I should almost never see a new player especially when its the place new players are directed to. Surely with an average of like 200k players we can find other new players (or newer then I am) to put them against? I guess I dont KNOW if some are new, returning or just bad but I have had a few state its their first game.
So many games in the last 2 weeks or so just feel like their decided by what team is playing a 3v4 due to bad MM or what team has more imbalanced characters (but that's its own separate issue).
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u/TheCoolestGuy098 Billy 4h ago
I actually realized if I wanna be winning more in standard to get to ranked, I have to really coach the obviously new players. Granted, I'm only about 80 matches in and I'm far from 'good,' but I have to remind myself that not everybody realizes how bad it is to dive the 6-0 carry alone while you're 3k behind.
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u/Amazing-Custard-2552 Drifter 3h ago
in Tf2 they tried with a coach system, it failed.
i wonder if valve is gonna try again with coach mode
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u/Easy-Guess9147 Lady Geist 2h ago
Nah just split push lol thats how ive been winning at least lol. We are winning but everyone just afk fights mid, last game i went solo end the game and literally no one backed to def base
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u/John2k12 40m ago
I'm trying to get my 15 rem/paige wins for ranked and it's brutal how some games are just running around in circles for 45 mins until death timers get so long that the first team to get wiped loses the whole base. I especially spend a lot of time counterpushing empty sidelanes lol
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u/Rough_Lychee5785 Grey Talon 3h ago
Yea it's awful. As an emissary pro player, I feel like I'm playing in dirt when I queue standard. These people have 0 game sense, they play like marvel rivals players
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u/AquaBits 1h ago
Why the toxicity? You didnt know how to play the game when you first started either.
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u/Octopus_on_fire_ 7h ago
I played a game last night with all new people on it. One of them it was literally their first game ever playing, and they picked Solomon. Poor guy went 0-16.
It was shockingly close because the other team also had new people, and it came down to essentially me (infernus) against a cracked out REM.
It was basically a 1v1 the entire game with all the new people doing god knows what. We both ended the game with 30k souls each, and the rest of our team at around 14k. It was funny, but the game was over in about 20 minutes.
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u/Ok_ResolvE2119 7h ago
"Breaking news! Jezebel's Infernus fights disturbingly powerful dream child and nearly destroys the Cursed Apple in the process!"
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u/Amazing-Custard-2552 Drifter 7h ago
Solomon as a first pick? poor guy, even me still don“t undertand solomon at 100%
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u/LeonMotton 7h ago
Solomon abilities only takes around 5 minutes to fully understand. They are quite simple actually. The hard part comes from his unique playstyle.
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u/Kelby091 4h ago
The hard part is to not accidentally move your shielded teammate forward to their death when trying to move a bishop instead.
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u/Carp3l Haze 6h ago
Yeah⦠I just had one of those and went 1-14, like Iām sorry team but Iām playing normal, watched a beginners guide, and am trying my best. Iāve played 3 games since coming back for the first time since 2024 and I feel awful for dragging my teammates down.
Being constantly called slurs and having people pause before ending the game isnāt very enjoyable either.
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u/AquaBits 1h ago
The toxicity is extremely annoying, believe me. I hope valve actually adresses it soon but knowing how they left their other games to rot, I doubt it
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u/nasaboy007 6h ago
I played one game for the first time in like.. 2? years last week and I guess I grabbed some new mechanic in the map. Teammate was like "are you gonna use (something, ancient maybe?)" and I was like I don't even know what that is.
Mfw 200h+ played.
I'm a new player with the high mmr of an old player, so apologies in advance.
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u/Symetrie 6h ago
Yes. The game is still fun imo because it's Deadlock, but having a guy ragequit at 20 min feela just horrible
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u/Spader623 9h ago
Help... Me....
I just wanna try ranked and so many of my games are just people who don't know how to play. I get it I do but man... I'm close š got the 60 wins and 15 on one almost two characters...
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u/Trowaway151 8h ago
Bro youāre 60 games in. YOU are the people that donāt know how to play.
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u/konyachella 8h ago
not really tho. newbies basically don't leave the lane stage whilst average player who already played 50 games already has at least an idea of what's happening here. it's a noticeable difference
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u/DanClypse Deadman Danny 7h ago
You know win rate is meant to be around 50%, right? You can be 2000 hours in and still get stuck in a loss streak by mere chance, especially when there's a huge wave of new players. It's not fair to call them a deadweight outright.
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u/Spader623 8h ago
I don't disagree but id argue there's levels and I'm past newbie stage, plus alwady have moba experience while some of the newbies just flounder
No shade to them but I want the option of ranked and I want it baaaaaad.. So it's rough when I lose because they're new
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u/ItsWorkinOrange 6h ago
Cool, I wait in 10 min queues every match tho in us central
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u/Sudden-Zone-5982 6h ago
If youāre a newer account matchmaking will take longer. Same if you are using an old account but havenāt played in awhile.
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u/Mrhappyfeet56 6h ago
I have 260 hours and was ascendant before the ranked changes. Still 10 minutes queues for normal matches (which is all we play)
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u/Smokinya 5h ago
That's crazy work. If I queued standard right now I'd be in a match within 1-2 mins. My ranked queues are usually that fast as well at Ritualist VI.
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u/SupremeTeamKai 4h ago
Solo queue or group? I solo and I've never waited longer than 5 on off peak hours. I'd imagine it would be longer with a group
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u/siverskaya 4h ago
Varies wildly depending on how many people you queue with and how big a difference in rank/MMR there is in the group. Larger group with wider spread = basically impossible job for matchmaking
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u/ItsWorkinOrange 6h ago
I have 100 matches played in the last month, this is a sudden shift that began over the last few weeks. Not a new accnt, been on the game since first alpha. Think something is wack with their MMing right now. Many of my friends also having issues with queue times.
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u/Deep_Calendar_1712 8h ago
Hopping back on after half a year off (and not since beta) and itās fun but thereās so many counter items I have tot him about compared to before and I canāt keep up with what to buy š
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u/MrDad83 8h ago
I had this problem when I jumped back in. Luckily there are user guides built in so you can have an idea what to buy
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u/Deep_Calendar_1712 6h ago
Yeah I read the guides but during the game Iām not sure which to sell for counters items and what to keep vs who. Just have to get more experience fighting in game haha
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u/Barca_4_Life 4h ago
Counterspell dispel magic and curse cover like every situation if you canāt counter everything
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u/Saanarias Abrams 8h ago
Weāve broken all time peaks with every character release this patch but rat king, and then only because he was competing with the new map patch 3 days before him, and he tied that one.
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u/Darkjolly 9h ago
Violet effect, take that haters
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u/The_Lord_Of_Spuds 6h ago
every single one of the new character drops brought a new peak playercount shes not special
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u/andreasmalersghost 8h ago
āworst character ever in the history of anythingā dropsā¦.record player count. Methinks the chud takes are vocal and yet, minority opinion.
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u/Sunny_sunshine_1 8h ago
they dropped 6 characters, I don't know if it's for violet specifically, maybe people look at baba or rat king and say "oh they are cool I'll try the game"
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u/zencharm Victor 7h ago
to be fair, the player count has spiked with every new hero release and this is the biggest one, so sheās probably having some impact on it
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u/Dangerous-Return5937 6h ago
Every hero release had the biggest spike up until the next one dropped lol.
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u/zencharm Victor 6h ago
thatās my point. every time a new hero comes out the game gets more players who want to try it. why would violet be exempt from this?
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u/Quijas00 5h ago
Did Danny outperform Solomonās release?
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u/mrmillan323 5h ago
yes, I've checked every character drop since six hero's to track it for me and my friends and the player count always hits a new high since OGNB for each individual drop.
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u/ThankYouByron114 3h ago
Chud is when character is boring and the most basic collection of stereotypes ever with nothing else. Not even a "but she's a painter mage!"
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u/Pristine_Flatworm 2h ago
Probably all the new players that got attracted by Solomon breaching containment and moist playing the game hopping on for their first hero drop. Not sure how this could be the result of violet coming into the game when she is second last
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u/Dtoodlez 6h ago
I was playing it on and off before the latest update, now itās all I want to play. Itās incredibly good, canāt stop.Ā
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u/Apprehensive_Tone_55 3h ago
Most big deadlock streamers or content creators give out invites to anybody who asks in their discords
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u/FortyThousandBloops 24m ago
Got yelled at by a dude playing baba yesterday.
Yelled at the whole team for pushing yellow and trading 2 for 4, (us only losing 2)then when confronted about him being 2-10 13 minutes in he played the victim line of āgod forbid Iām trying a new characterā āat least Iām trying stuffā to which I asked ācould you tell me just 1 example of the stuff youāre tryingā to which I then got served an honestly impressive amount of different slurs.
Unfortunately with the bigger player base you have more CODtards and battletards showing up and wondering why they canāt just ātap headsā
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u/SheuiPauChe 15m ago
they have a really strict 30 day chat ban for voice/text abuse, so just mute and move on. people who hate this game will leave, assholes will get banned eventually, and those who love the game will stay!
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u/Dangerous-Return5937 6h ago
I could genuinely never tell with how long matchmaking takes. Consistent 6-10 min queues.
It's been like this since OGNB so I wonder if it's ever getting fixed.
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u/Apprehensive_Tone_55 3h ago
Just started this week. 60 games to unlock ranked feels like a slog, teammates donāt take the game seriously and everyoneās always leaving matches early :/ also idk why I get 10 minute queue times in standard with no character priority! Super fun though.
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u/Karthane 9h ago
If something record breaking happened 22 hours ago, you can safely assume we already know about it
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u/Avalon_Within 9h ago
That says way more about you than anything else.
Try spending some time with family and friends every once in a while.
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u/Kaylavi 3h ago
Anybody who can play can invite you. Go on the discord
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u/DuAbUiSai 2h ago
Is it good now? I left after they nerfed all the ultis to have long ass cooldowns and also cdr items.
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u/Gemgamer 1h ago
The highest cooldown item is still 25%, and ults generally range from 70-200 seconds when fully upgraded, depending on strength. Still feels like they're up often enough to be a pain if someone has a good one, but also gives you a good bit of room to capitalize if you see someone has used it. Ults are also now shown at the top of the screen to everyone, so you can know who has theirs up or when it will be back.
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u/Zondor3000 8h ago
This is genuinely one of the hardest games to learn and play, hope those new players are able to stuck it out
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u/una322 9h ago
still takes me ages to find a game in the EU. sitting here on a saturday night. 10 min queue at best