r/Fallout • u/red_hot_chilly_leper • May 24 '22

Competition Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas?

I'm sorry if it was done before, I'm new to the subreddit.

I wonder what you guys think of both games, since they are quite close to each other in many aspects. I'd also like to point out that I haven't played F3 yet, mostly because all the screenshots look so gloomy, but I adore New Vegas with all my heart.

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

Uhuh?? As compared to what, meeting some threshold that means you can talk down anyone? Even a war criminal that kills people who tries to surrender? Well guess what, due to speech you made him retreat. At least with a percentage its almost never a 100% chance of you succeeding.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

You invest enough skill points to meet the sucess threshold. If you can't do it you either pop a skill mag/ charisma buffs or you come back later after you skill up. In Fo3 you can quickload and roll dice until you succeed but you are liable to reload a lot. FNV system is more decisive.

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

I dont like the fact that you can get to a point where no matter what, you have a 100% chance of getting EVERY check. Even with the quick loading method, it might have the more impatient players saying "fuck it" and not bothering. Its a better system.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Your character excels at what you invest in. Eventually (Dead Money) you pay a price for being a smooth talking sniper rather than an indomitable meatbag.

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

Yeah, but in no other passive skill do you have 100% chance at doing anything. You can break lockpicks, you can lock yourself out of a terminal, so you shouldn't be able to talk down a war-criminal

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Medecine for successfully treating NPCs without expending material and all the speech checks that rely on another skill like survival to get the bullet recipe from that dude in North Vegas.

Lock picking and hacking are mini games, how would you conceptualize a speech minigame?

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

I dont know how I would visualize a speech minigame, im not a game designer.

And yes, those other ones have thresholds. But those are easier to ignore because if you know medicine then you're gonna be good at treating wounds. No matter what, if you fix a wound it's gonna be fixed until its broken again.

With speech though its that you're dealing with human interactions, and I don't know if you know this but humans are stubborn as fuck. There shouldn't ever be 100% chances with speech checks because there are people in real life that won't ever change their minds due to their beliefs.

Some people will not listen to you because of rabid ideological beliefs or hell, even if they don't like you. This even goes back to the point of you shouldn't be able to talk down some people by their own characters.

Lanius would not back down due to how he characterized. But because your character can say "yeah California is a bit big" he just walks off, which is dumb as hell.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

If you can talk down "The Master" in OG Fallout then you can educate Lanius on the futility of armed conquest in a territory too big to seize and control, full of people hostile to the Legion.

Yes, some people can be stubborn.

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

The master is different.

The master has logic and thought driven behind his actions. He's under the impression that he'll be creating a new master race. And its only when you show him EVIDENCE that he's wrong is when he's talked down. You can't just talk him down due to having super high speech.

Lanius is characterized as being a war-hungry, bloodthirsty tyrant. He killed many in his own tribe for surrendering to Caesar. He hates the act of surrendering, and yet you can talk him into essentially giving up just using 4 sentences.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

The courier presents evidence that conquest is a futile endeavor. Lanius has no counter argument. Moreover, the Legion already lost one massive battle for Hoover dam.

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

What eveidence?? The vault dweller had studies from the BOS and the masters own mutants that proved him right.

The courier only had.....deductive reasoning? Which i dont think lanius would take as enough to call off his campaign for Vegas

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

... The legion's previous loss, the inhospitable population, the vastness of the territory... The legion may be more disciplined, determined and even healthier than the NCR but they lose to logistics all the same, not exactly an uncommon fate for armies (see Napoleon in Russia).

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u/assblaster8573000 May 24 '22

For you and me, that would be enough to call off the campaign. But the problem i keep saying is, LANIUS would not listen to deductive reasoning. Hes more stalin-esque in his battle tactics. "Retreat and you'll die"

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u/NiMaGre Vault 13 May 24 '22

Yeah, but if you tell him he's surrendering he notices you're bullshitting him and will attack you anyway, even if you succeeded in the 100% speechcheck.
You have to be skilled in using words, to convey to Lanuis that what he does is not retreating, but gathering strength for a full force Attack and Conquest.