r/IndianHistory • u/archiliesflyn • Apr 11 '26
Question Indra and zeus
Why there is so many similar connection between indra and zeus. Is it orginate from the same people who later migrate to different regions?đď¸â¸ď¸âŻď¸
The connection between Indra and Zeus comes from both mythology and ancient linguistic history. They are remarkably similar because they likely evolved from a common Indo-European tradition.
- Both are Sky & Thunder Gods
Indra: King of the gods in early Rigveda, associated with thunder, lightning, and rain.
Zeus: King of the gods in Greek mythology, ruler of the sky and wielder of lightning.
Both control storms and are seen as powerful sky rulers.
- Weapon of Lightning
Indra uses the Vajra (a thunderbolt).
Zeus uses the thunderbolt forged by the Cyclopes.
The symbolism is almost identicalâlightning = divine authority.
- King of Gods
Indra is the leader of the Devas (gods).
Zeus is the ruler of the Olympian gods.
Both sit at the top of their respective pantheons.
- Dragon/Serpent Slayer Myth
Indra defeats Vritra, a serpent blocking water.
Zeus defeats Typhon, a giant serpentine creature.
This reflects a shared myth pattern: storm god vs chaos monster.
- Indo-European Roots
Both figures likely come from a shared Proto-Indo-European myth tradition:
Ancient Indo-Europeans spread into India and Greece.
Their myths evolved separately but kept similar themes.
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Actually these are aryanic cultures that spread with Aryans. We see mitra and varuna in treaties of mesopotamia , indra mithra(mitra) and varuna in zoroastrian rituals hymns. And several links between Greeks and Indian Vedic religion.
Now right veda links it with battle of 10 kings and those tribes kicked away by bharata clan settled there. But it's myth.
Other links like varuna is linked with Poseidon , Yama with hede. Both had links to dogs and both civilization sees dogs as guardian of afterlife. Another is narada and hermes lol
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
Nagas were also depicted in greek mythology
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Yeah they are but often misinterpreted with dragons which is absent in Hindu mythology.
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u/kamikaibitsu Apr 11 '26
there is also a celtic goddess Names Danu and vedic goddess Named Danu
& their husbands also have lot of similarities
Like great doctors or something
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Yeah. But it's confusing. They aren't linked to Aryans so why ?
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u/kamikaibitsu Apr 11 '26
Dunno but there are theories that ancient pagan faiths were off shot of Hinduism in those regions where some travellers travelled and started their own cult
And there si another theory that
At one point entire world used to follow same faith
and then that faith disappered or split in many factions like Sanatan, that celtic faith , roman faith etc etrc- but this is more liek some conspiracy
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Actually it's what u are refering to are not history but pseudo history made to fulfill once propaganda.
Actually , it do has some in vedas like battle of 10 kings where puru-bharata tribe won and kicked out the collation of other tribes. These tribes settled in iran to mesopotamia and greece. Some historians still debate it's authenticity but , it's probably a myth. At most they would have crossed indus and settled there lol.
Celtic faith and European paganism has links with Hinduism. This is because of roma people who migrated from modernday west india like gandhara, punjab, sindh, multan etc with advent of Central Asian invasion like hunas , scythians,persians and shakas. That's why we see several indian gods got mixed in local catholic faith(not the mainstream church). These roma people faced constant persecution so they adopted catholic as a way to save themselves but kept a cultural memory of Hindu gods.
We see a itish goddess I forgot the name but her complexion is dark , and often thought to be kali ma.
Many things got adapted with spread of Indians via trade routes and got accepted. Just like how Buddhism spread. But these elements were absorbed by local pagan faiths.
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u/kamikaibitsu Apr 11 '26
Roma migration happened much, much later after that supposed myth or timeline of Celtic faith
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Nope roma migration is reality. Celtics actually spread across Europe at some point. So maybe they were linked via trade routes too before germanic expansion began driving them away.
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u/kamikaibitsu Apr 11 '26
i am not denying the migration- it happned but the timing is very late compare to timing of origin of celtic faith.
Roma migration happened around 10-11 AD at max 6-8 AD , while celtic faith originated much much earlier and by time of migration was already replaced by Xinity
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u/lone_vampire45 Apr 11 '26
Nope. Romani migration is thought to be from 6-10th century before advent of islam in west india. And celts were persecuted after defeat by roman empire and conquest of gaul in 5th century. Pre to this era some migration might have been there. It's not proven and neither do we have such concrete evidence. So all we can do is speculate theories lol
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u/khroshan Apr 11 '26
Zeus is actually cognate with Dyaus, the father of Indra. Dyaus Pitr = Zeus Pater = Ju Piter. The German version is Tiwaz, the Norse is Tyr, the Lithuanian is Dievas. They all evolved from the Proto-Indo-European sky father god DyÄus phâtá¸r.
Indra was a local Indo-Aryan/Vedic innovation, hence there's a myth where he slays or defeats his father Dyaus and takes over his role. The Vedics replaced the old Indo-European sky god with a new god of their own creation.
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Indra is a god from Zagrosian religion or BMAC. It finds mention even in Dravidian Sangam literatureÂ
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
I think its one of the first mentions of indra?
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Not the first. The first one is in Vedas and also in a Mittani inscription in Syria, where an IndoAryan elite had rules.Â
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
This is a bit of an oversimplification.
Indra isnât really a sky god, thatâs Dyaus Pita. In the Rigveda heâs more of a warrior figure. Being prayed to for rain doesnât automatically make him a ârain godâ either, people still pray to all kinds of deities for rain today.
Same with the Vajra, just having a thunderbolt weapon doesnât neatly make him a âthunder godâ.
Even their abodes are different. Indra rules a heavenly realm (Svarga), not the literal sky. Whereas Zeus resides on Mount Olympus.
Iâm not dismissing your comparison entirely, just adding some nuance to the discussion.
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u/OxtailNickel Apr 11 '26
I think he was both a storm and a war god.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
I agree, but over time Indra got reduced to just a âstorm/rain godâ because Vedic society heavily invoked him for rain, since rain = agriculture and survival, especially during droughts.
But that logic is flawed. Even today people pray to local deities for rain, and that doesnât suddenly make those deities ârain godsâ by definition.
Indra being the most invoked for rain back then explains the association, but it doesnât define his entire identity, heâs clearly more than just that.
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u/OxtailNickel Apr 11 '26
People talk about Indra's downfall but forget about Varun's downfall. He was equal to present day Vishnu in authority and appearance. What are your thoughts?
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
In my view, all this happened after the Avatars came and thus the Puranic era began. As everyone knows Puranas are very sectarian and often contradict each other in favour of their chosen deity. They destroyed Vedic ritualism and shifted towards devotional worship and idol worship began.
Again, itâs just my view.
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u/Hav0c_R Apr 11 '26
Isn't dyaus pitra literally a cloud? Not even human
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 12 '26
Dyaus Pitr (or Dyauᚣ PitášĚ) is not literally a cloud, but he is a primordial deity of the sky, often characterized as the "Sky Father". While early Indo-Aryan hymns praise him as the masculine counterpart to Prithvi (Earth Mother), he is not typically human in form or nature.
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u/fartypenis Apr 11 '26
Indra was a sky god, even if he wasn't the Sky God. He is the thunder god, and most of his ancient hymns praise him for freeing the waters from the enemy's hold: that's very strongly linked with the thunder that booms when it rains.
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
Lol Dyaus killed kronos father to take place And indra killed dyaus to take place
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
Indra is also depicted as a demon like creature in Zoroastrian culture like inder right?
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
Iâm not much knowledgeable about Zoroastrian. Afaik they seem to be an inverse version of Vedic religion like they call their gods as Ahura which is similar to Asura in Hinduism.
Btw in Hinduism, Asura not necessarily means evil or a demon. It just means mighty or powerful.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
The Rigveda repeatedly presents Indra in warrior terms. In RV 8.45 he is called âunequalled in fight,â âthe Warrior Indra,â and âbreaker-down even of strong forts.â RV 1.129 says men call on him âin every fightâ and âfor victory,â and asks for his help âin warsâ and âin all encounters.â RV 10.152.4 is even more direct: âDestroy, Indra, our enemies.â So yes, the Vedas portray Indra as a warrior deity, not just a rain god.
Hindus still pray for rain but, to local gods rather than Indra.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
In Vedas, Indra is also called as Purandara which means destroyer of forts.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
The Rigveda literally uses the word pura (fort/stronghold), and Indra is called Purandara i.e. destroyer of those forts. RV 4.30 and 6.20 talk about him breaking enemy strongholds, some even described as âhundred-walled.â
Also, âfortâ doesnât mean some massive stone castle like later periods. It can refer to fortified settlements, enclosures, or defended structures, which absolutely did exist in early societies. Stone structures like fortified walls arenât that much advanced thing as you imagine.
So if the Rigveda itself talks about forts and Indra destroying them, the idea that Vedic people âcouldnât imagine fortsâ just doesnât hold.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
Youâre expecting proper societal descriptions from hymns meant for praising gods. The Vedas arenât history books, they donât describe society in that kind of detail. So saying âno archaeology = no fortsâ doesnât really prove your point.
And honestly, viewing Vedic society only as âtribo-ruralâ kind of boxes it in and limits how you interpret the text itself.
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u/Curious-Matter274 Apr 11 '26
Christianity was imposed on people and tyese were termed as pagan religons, the native European culture resembled ours very much but it was abolished with conversion
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u/will_kill_kshitij Apr 11 '26
There are similarities between a lot of pagan religions. You'll find equivalents elsewhere as well.
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u/Timely_Plankton Apr 11 '26
The steppe pastorals groups roamed steppe regions which stretch from eastern europe to china, steppe is a vast grassland and the natural forces they have to encounter are lightning, wildfire which they feared. They also need rain to sustain livestock's lives so they worshipped those natural events/forces as gods. Now the steppe pastoral people had many branches, some settled in Europe, some in russia etc. One particular branch came to india (they called themselves the aryans) so there's no surprise that the civilisations they created (by mixing with the indigenous tribes) also have the same gods, or at least gods with similar features or power.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
The Persian region???
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u/Timely_Plankton Apr 11 '26
Aryans migrated there too brother. The people of proto indo-European culture (the steppe pastorals) migrated to different regions. One branch moved to Europe and created Greek Roman Norse culture. Another branch (aryans) migrated to India and Iran.
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u/CarmynRamy Apr 11 '26
> Why there is so many similar connection between indra and zeus. Is it orginate from the same people who later migrate to different regions?
You know that ancient civilizations across the world could see sky and lightning, story building and worshipping nature was not limited to one civilisation, and then over time, people travel, along with stories too and cultures assimilate.
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Indra and Zeus are not related. Etymologically they don't make sense. There are lot of Thunder gods residing in sky across various Non IE cultures in the world. Even the Tamil Dravidian culture has an Inthiran / Venthiran. Indra is likely a Zagrosian God who was adopted by Aryans during their migrations.Â
On other note Zeus might be more related to Dyaus Pitr.Â
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
Indra is bmac god
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Yes. I have heard that theory too but since many people he violently deny any BMAC influence, I put the next best thing - Zagrosian origin. Because Zagrosian influence on the Aryan can never be denied
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
What the f is zagrosian influence lol They said who doesn't speak sanskrit are mleechas And they considered ivc people as dasas or dasyu There was no soma drinking culture in indo european May be bmac culture Not bmac but maybe andronovo/ Russian related cultureÂ
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
There is no proof they considered IVC people as Dasas or Dasyus. And Zagrosian means Iran Neolithic Farmers who were the majority in Iran and Afghanistan before the PIE descendants came and mixed with them to form Aryans. The Dasa or Dasyu was a slur against an Iranian tribe, which eventually became an all purpose slur (even used against some Aryans tribes in few verses). And the Mleccha thing comes centuries later, after Aryavarta was established.Â
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
Zagrosian means ancestors of harappans, harappans were itself carrying iranian ancestry once try to see sinauli excavation. People in iran i can explain but for your brain you can't understand, farmers split to west and east and east became ancestors of harappans , west mixed with anatolian hunter gatherer became ancestors of Mediterranean and South European ancestry. But iran has some people who didn't migrate,not all went but some people are still there in iran. And by vedic time iranians were their cousins and other group lost harappans or lost dravidian on balochistan area .
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Your brain seems a little shortcircuited. Who said that Zagrosians are unrelated to Harappans. Zagrosians were indeed ancestors of Harappans along with AASI. I just said that Zagrosians who remain unmixed with Iran, encountered the immigrants from Steppe and mixed with them to form Aryans. And in this process , gave them a god called Indra.Â
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
No dude indra wasn't in zagrosia The stories Parallel to Europe Killing father to take place Indra takes place dyaus to take place Zeus takes kronos to take place Both slay demon Both are thunder gods They are from ukraine origin
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u/Gareebonkadushman Apr 11 '26
Toh bhai Indra ka etymological root batado.  Mene bhi pehle socha tha ki Indra or Zeus same origin se he. Par baad me samajh aaya ki Zeus is etymologically related to Dyaus (Dyaus Pitr in Vedas).Â
Either that, or Vedics edited their kahani and gave the the role of Indian equivalent of Zeus to a new god Indra. And made the Indian equivalent into the Sky Father Dyaus Pitr.
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 12 '26
Well zeus is connected to dyaus But his story matches with indra Zeus kills father indra kills father Thunderbolt Indo europeans have used different kind of dyeus peter
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u/Junior-Bug-7303 Apr 11 '26
Abe yaar woh zagrosian ke baare me kyu bol raha hai Woh log mix with steppe and formed persian dna That's different story Dasa refers to brahui pakistan southeast iran And non aryan india
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u/PenaltyAsleep5294 Apr 11 '26
Proto-Indo-European (reconstructed) Greek Vedic (Indic)
Dyá¸us phâtá¸r (Sky Father) Zeus DyĂĄus PitÄ
HâĂŠusĹs (Dawn Goddess) Eos Uᚣas
Divine Twins (DiwĂłs suhânĹŤ) Dioscuri AĹvins
HânĚĽgʡnis (Fire deity) Ugnis Agni
Mehânot (Moon deity) Selene Chandra
Sehâul (Sun deity) Helios Surya
DʰÊǾʰĹm (Earth Mother) Gaia Prithvi
Hâepom NepĹts (Water/fire deity) â Apam Napat
ââââââââââââââââ
Vedic Iranian (Avestan) Notes
Mitra Mithra Virtually identical name + role (contracts, order)
Varuna Ahura Mazda Not identical, but both linked to cosmic order
Indra Indra Role reversal (god â demon)
Deva Daeva Same word, opposite meaning
Asura Ahura Again, reversed polarity
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u/blazinbit Apr 11 '26
Sky god in Indian mythology is Dyaus pitr. Jupiter and Zeus are the Roman and Greek equivalents.
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u/ajatshatru Apr 11 '26
Thor also slays world serpent.
Both indra and zeus known for their infedility. Zeus clearly, indra - implied in rigveda.
Most probably a common ancestry.
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
Both indra and zeus known for their infedility. Zeus clearly, indra - implied in rigveda.
Not in Vedas, but in recent texts like Puranas which are totally sectorial. Actually, Indra became a victim of these sectarianism.
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u/ajatshatru Apr 11 '26
Hymn: Rigveda 10.86 (IndraâIndrani dialogue)
âinfidelity-likeâ implications, but i agree it isn't a 100 percent sure shot. -
Key Mantra (RV 10.86.6â8, paraphrased + partial translation)
âNo woman rivals me, none is more pleasing than I to my husband. Yet these women gather around himâŚâ
âThese women, O Indra, long for youâ like cows for a strong bull.â
Ramayan describes the ahilya episode, but it is much later
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
"infidelity-like" implications, but i agree it isn't a 100 percent sure shot.
Ohk
Ramayan describes the ahilya episode, but it is much later
Hereâs my interpretation on this story -
The Ahalya episode doesnât have to be read as literal infidelity at all. Even the name Ahalya means âunploughedâ or untouched land.
In that sense, Ahalya represents virgin, uncultivated earth. Indra, a rain and fertility god and symbolises the natural force that nourishes and fertilizes that land. Their âunionâ is not moral wrongdoing but a metaphor for rain meeting the earth.
Her husband Gautama represents order, discipline, and controlled cultivation. His curse turning her into stone or making her invisible can be seen as the land becoming barren or withdrawn due to imbalance.
Then Rama restores her, which symbolically represents the return of harmony and fertility bringing the land back to life.
So in this reading, itâs not about infidelity at all, but a symbolic story about nature, fertility, disruption, and restoration.
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u/Diablo2072 Burzahom Neolithic settler Apr 11 '26
Could the shift from noble Indra to Lustful Indra have been due to Greek Influence? Like the main reason for the puranic writers being, to show Indra as a character with flaws, and then taking inspiration from the Stories that showed Zeus as a flawed character
My doubts are mainly due to Puranic Indra being closer to Zeus in character than to Rig Vedic Indra
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u/Honest-Permit-8856 Apr 11 '26
The Puranas are highly sectarian and often contradict each other, with each text elevating its chosen deity as supreme. These sects using Puranas intentionally targeted Indra as he was the most worshipped Deva in vedic period. They turned him from a major war god into a clown who always runs from Asuras and seeks help from the Puranic deities.
Also, the Puranas are later compositions, emerging after the Avatars happened. So in my opinion especially after the Avatars, a shift from Vedic ritualism to devotional worship started and the rise of idol worship in Hinduism began.
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u/smit72628199 Apr 11 '26
One of the main reason for Zeus' infidelity is that Greece was divided into numerous city states and small principalities and most of the kings of these small states claimed descent from Zeus for prestige and legitimacy.
Indra's infidelity may have been developed due to this reason as well. And also, the biggest reason was Puranic slander to uplift the newer gods. Indra was the victim of bad pr.
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u/ShriChakra92 Apr 12 '26
The infidelity bit is a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the Subramanya chant which invokes Indra. In that sane litany you find "ahalayai jara" and "Gotama bruvana". Clearly the author of the ramayana was dumb enough to understand the vedas.
Manasataramgini has written a beautiful article on this.
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u/DeciusCurusProbinus Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Even our Gods are protein deficient as compared to the Greek/Roman Pantheon. Except for Bajrang Bali who can mog them all.
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u/DeciusCurusProbinus Apr 11 '26
Come on now! Our Gods need to be depicted with some physicality in order for devotees to feel awed.
We have a history of kushti, pahalwani, malkhamb and Kalaripayattu. This focus on symbolism still shadows our life. This is why the average Indian has such poor health markers and their bodies like pieces of chewed up chewing gum.
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u/Abhithind Apr 11 '26
It's not just limited to Indra. Rigveda had a lot of different Gods who were direct rehashes of the PIE origin. Dyaus Pitr was known as the 'Sky Father' much like Uranus and 'Prithvi Maa' who was equivalent to Giai.
Indra, Surya, Ushas were the offsprings of these two primordial Gods. Much like how Zeus and Olympians were offspring of Uranus and Giai.
With time, local customs and animistic beliefs made their way into Hinduism and it's been a mish-mash of all kinds of pagan beliefs. The primordial God lost their significance eventually.
One important thing to note here is, Hinduism is not a descendant of Greek Myths. Instead, both of these share a common parent.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
Just like humans descented from a common ancestor?
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u/smit72628199 Apr 11 '26
There is a myth that is common in all the cultures of the world. The myth of the seven wise men. Our version is saptrishi. We have found this myth even in Aboriginal australian cultures, which had been isolated for thousands of years until the european colonization. It is theorized that this myth emerged when humanity was a single group, before we had migrated across the world.
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u/will_kill_kshitij Apr 11 '26
How many times is dyaus pitr mentioned in the vedas?
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
The Vedas, particularly the Rigveda, frequently reference days and nights as part of the conceptualization of time and cosmological cycles, rather than as a strict count of days in a week.
Vedic Year Calculation: The Vedas often define a solar year as having 360 days and 360 nights (represented by 720 parts or spokes), divided into 12 months, based on the sun's northern and southern movements.
Ahoratra: A day and night (24 hours) is called ahoratra or danda in Vedic literature.
Lunar Cycles:Â Days are frequently counted based on lunar phases (Tithis), with a month comprising two fortnights (Paksha) of 15 days each, totaling 30 days.
Weekdays: The 7-day week (Vasara) is a later development from Vedic astronomy, often linked to the Vedanga Jyotisha (roughly 700â600 BCE), which detailed planetary lords and 60 ghatis per day.
Time Span:Â While the Vedas focus on rituals over years, the concept of a 360-day year is consistent, sometimes adjusted with an intercalary month every five years to align with the actual ~365-day solar year.Â
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u/Fantasy-512 Apr 11 '26
Look up Dayus Pitr. (This is the original sky god).
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
Dyaus Pitr (Sky Father) and Indra are key Vedic deities representing a transition in power, where Indra, the king of gods and thunder, largely supplanted the earlier, patriarchal sky deity, Dyaus. Dyaus represents the bright sky and rain, often paired with Prithvi (Earth), while his son, Indra, is a dynamic warrior who defeated Vritra, gaining prominence.
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u/Cute_Prior1287 Apr 12 '26
Now that u have mentioned. I don't see any major similarity except the fact thats inevitable cause how nature is like this. They are leading cause of their role in human civilizations and their weapons(which I dont see similar) cause of their direct relation to the nature.
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u/mjratchada Apr 12 '26
Thunder/Storm deities are common outside the Indo-European traditions. The same applies to Warrior deities.
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u/Key_Cellist2662 Apr 13 '26
Zeus was more similar to another RgVedic Deity known as DyausPitr (Sky Father). Not Indra.
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u/pigsterben Apr 14 '26
In ancient cannanite religion baal was the storm god similar to indra. He was considered as false god by later religions.
Also inversions of God figure in zend avesta is interesting.
Daewa are evil ,ahur are good . Yama and yima parallels and so on.
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u/bufferedsoul Jun 08 '26
i think indra is more of a title than a God, unlike Zeus. Zeus is THE ruler of Olympian Gods but Indra is the RULER of Gods
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u/krishnaveda1 Apr 11 '26
Indra is the electric force. His weapon Vajra is Dielectric discharge or Corona discharge. This discharge is from the thousands of sharp irregularities in tiny particles. That's why Vajra is said to have a thousand edged! Lightning with several sharp branches is this discharge. Vrtra is the Coulomb barrier in the electron clouds of atoms that Indra/electric force dispels for atoms to fuse in nuclear fusion. This releases streams of subatomic particles like rivers that the Rigveda calls the Seven rivers. It's not AIT but OIT all the way!
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u/ColdAdvertising8710 Apr 11 '26
So many similar connections? bet you will differ a lot if you read the stories of Indra. You will find the deeper, more unique qualities or differences in any other similar themed gods of the west and India, if you read about INdra or know about him from the scriptures.
Unpopular opinion backed with real sanskrit and vedic pandits not westerner's translations:
To the people in the comments :
Saying these are aryanic cultures that spread with Aryans or Indo-Aryan nonsense please read the scriptures and understand not the western propaganda. People in this sub who are still believing this theory should start studying and understanding the scriptures or indian translations instead of Max Muller's or other western translations.
Yatra dharmaha tatra aryavartam
Where the Dharma exists it is Aryavartam, Arya is not a race or an invading group If you follow Dharma, you are an Arya, and the place you inhabit becomes Aryavarta. Itâs a cultural boundary, not a racial one**.**
Aasindhu-sindhu paryanta yasya bharata-bhumika
Land stretching from Indus River (Sindhu) to the Indian Ocean (Sindhu). This leaves no room to invasion or migration.
Arya means noble(not high born or definition of west it is a SPIRITUAL AND ETHICAL IDEAL), righteous, worker of great deeds. Dushashana(in mahabharta) was called an Anarya, and while Vidura, born to a servant, was considered an Arya for his adherence to Dharma.
There are too many right logics, evidences based on scriptures. I don't know why still some people who are believers of this nonsensical theory are not getting this? Wikipedia or western translations are not correct to understand the ancient indian history or the similarities of gods in India and others. It's our scriptures or a pandit/guru of vedic knowledge can tell you better.
Thank you.
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u/obitachihasuminaruto [?] Apr 11 '26
Since Vedic civilization is older, why don't anyone say the Vedic deities later transformed into the other ones? All this talk of a common ancestor just seems like copium. That ancestor civilization doesn't exist.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
These all are interpretation brother we cannot say which one is oldest.
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u/obitachihasuminaruto [?] Apr 11 '26
This is much older than greeks.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 11 '26
Older but not oldest
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u/obitachihasuminaruto [?] Apr 11 '26
Which means Greek pantheon is derivative from Vedic pantheon.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 12 '26
Greeks do not have Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) ancestry because the AASI component is specifically a localized, indigenous hunter-gatherer lineage that developed in the Indian subcontinent after separating from other Eurasian lineages around 40,000â50,000 years ago.
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u/archiliesflyn Apr 12 '26
Based on the 2019 genetic analysis of skeletal remains from Rakhigarhi, a major Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) site in Haryana, researchers found that the individuals lacked ancestry from Steppe pastoralists.
The study, led by Prof. Vasant Shinde and Dr. Niraj Rai, and published in the journal Cell, indicates that the 4,500-year-old Rakhigarhi genome (specifically, the I6113 sample) is composed of ancestry related to early Iranian farmers (pre-dating farming) and Southeast Asian hunter-gatherers.
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u/obitachihasuminaruto [?] Apr 12 '26
More evidence that Vedic civilization is indigenous to India and has nothing to do with steppe
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u/sebastos3 Apr 11 '26
yup, it is that Indo-European connection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_mythology
Another interesting titbit is that both deities are part of an observed pattern in mythology called the Chaoskampf(German for 'struggle against chaos'). It is a recurring motif where a hero or god associated with the sky fights against an evil serpent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaoskampf