r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 5h ago

Discovered my main Lyme symptoms are MCAS and responded very well to treatment

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My main symptom basically feels like histamine dump where I wake up wired and energetic suddenly at night , and I can’t get back to sleep.

During the day I can’t handle any mental stimulation, whether it be sound or light or even just thinking causes brain irritation and discomfort. Literally being conscious is uncomfortable for my brain.

Taking cetirizine and famotidine has helped a lot. Also taking vit C, PEA, quercetin, propranolol (at night).

What co-infection could be causing this? anyone else with a similar experience?


r/Lyme • • 1h ago

Support 20 month old potential tick bite and I’m trying not to spiral

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My toddler had a small red bite on his arm, and I assumed it was from a mosquito. There’s a family history of bad reactions to mosquito bites, so I applied hydrocortisone and thought nothing of it. The next day it was bigger and yellow-y in the center. I messaged his pediatrician who said to keep applying hydrocortisone and unless it seemed to bother him it would heal up.

Well that was a week ago. It spread and is a circular rash that looks similar to ring worm, but not quite like a standard “bulls eye” rash. I took him in anyways, because my instincts said something was wrong.

The doctor there definitely was trying to keep from going wide-eyed and very solemnly told me the plan, and why.

He is too little for doxycycline as a first-line treatment, so we are starting with amoxicillin. But I’m honestly so scared. I don’t even know how to calm myself down. Please give me some sort of encouragement.


r/Lyme • • 20h ago

Question Anyone else experience this?

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I have like this odd twitching/shaking in most of my muscles mainly in my larger ones like my quads, literally rippling shown here in the vid. It happens mainly when flexed or muscles are engaged . Ive tried different exercises walking weights push-ups pullups etc. i cant tell if the blood flow helps or makes it worse idk I dont know how to tackle this. I was heavy into calisthenics/boxing and running most of my adult life which is why I think its like my muscles cells firing off rapidly when they shouldnt be.

Is it some sort of fatigue or deconditioning with my muscles cells or something? Idk. If anyone else has this too im curious as to what causes it or how to help it go away its very strange. I feel like its paired with fatigue but it happens when im not like burnt out or feel fatigued and actually feel okay.

Oh and im about 4 months out since I first got bit, had the whole crap of 21 days of doxy for early disseminated lyme that caused partial facial palsy and the doctor said thats all i could get...... (I got cooked lol) theres also no LLMDS around where I am.. (Pittsburgh pa)

Positive for lyme and have pretty sure babesia symptoms too. Started treating with herb protocols and diet/vitamins as well as DETOX which ive learned is paramount after each protocol round. On my own and through a naturopath.

Not doing great but im hopeful. Ive started the cistus/ artemisinin protocol an awesome person on here shared with my own spin on it and I actually feel it chipping away at the fatigue and most symptoms, definitely encouraging, but still have some annoying ones lingering and the fatigue is like the final boss for me.

Trying not to write alot on this post so ill just leave it at that i have an old post I went on and on ab my experience too, just trying to figure out whats going on with my muscles and whats causing it i havent got like a solid answer in my own findings.

And excuse my chicken legs haha ive lost like close to 30 lbs tons of muscle atrophy its so depressing 🫩


r/Lyme • • 7h ago

Question Does this look like a bullseye rash? Spoiler

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r/Lyme • • 6h ago

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One week ago I got bitten by a bug of some kind in a park, at first it was just a little bight but by the end of the week a circle developed. I’ve felt achiness in my thighs since the bite although I thought it was cycling related (I don’t normally get aches from cycling) I’ve also been sleeping alot more - getting up after 12pm although I thought this was just due to being hungover. I went to the chemist and they said they thought it was just an infected bug bite since I didn’t have to remove a tick/didn’t see one. But since it’s behind my leg and I itched it so much I think I would’ve scratched any tick off??? Anyway they gave me antibiotics (not those that treat Lymes) Since then it’s developed into a large red blob and is still super itchy and I feel achier and more tired. Finding it hard to get the energy to do anything. What do I do???


r/Lyme • • 9h ago

Talking , balance , tingling, numbness ( Issues)

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Hello everyone. I am experiencing balance issues while standing and walking, foot drop, numbness throughout most of my body—including my head—and tingling in my hands and feet. I also have head pain that feels like pins being stuck into my scalp, as well as eye inflammation that has caused blurred vision. Is this common with a *Bartonella* infection?


r/Lyme • • 8h ago

Dr mozayeni lyme and bartonella

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Anyone seen dr mozayeni?


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Lyme or menopause

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Had/ have lume fit 20 plus years. last ten was extreme extrem brain fog / pms/ joint issues. Cervical spine si joint

but that could have been perimenopause/ hormone fluctuations

since I fully entered Meno I started with the extreme meno symptoms: panic attacks, thst thick brdin fog daily, mental health issues, cognition slipping, vibrations, joint pains, itchy scalp, urinary.

I tried hrt that helped but I had to keep increasing as symptoms came back. I increased to much to fast had spikes a siezure- like episode - became unable to tolerate became dizzy/jaw shifting/ sensory issues/ walking hard / drive/ work / care for family. Four months later still can’t donthise things.. titrated off. In withdrawl - unreal bed bound for weeks . dealing with mental health issues. All extreme

i feel like I’m living when not.

always suspect lyme is an issue but in this hormonal chaos I can only see the top layer. So much turmoil .

i am so hyper reactive at this moment I couldn’t treat plus I already have do much going on with the hormones.
every dr I try to see tells me to see a different one.


r/Lyme • • 8h ago

Question Western Ma or beyond Lyme etc. Dr ?

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looking for Dr. will travel out. please help.


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Funny not funny Lyme website

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Someone made and posted a funny not funny website about what it’s like to get Lyme and deal with doctors etc.

Anyone have a link to that? I think it was unusual color, like yellow or green or something.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

I’m failing this journey

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Bro I keep eating the wrong things, punished from it later on. Laying around. Wasting time taking one antibiotic in azithromycin, liposomal essential oils.

I have zero hope. Caused my family so much stress from rage. I can’t begin to explain the divide in medical evaluations. If it’s candida then why am I not put on Nystatin? If my Igenex says Babesia positive, why am I only taking azithromycin and not Atovaquone?

Ive had too many months sleeping on the floor, my parents house is not a refuge to healing. For fuck sakes, if mycotoxins are elevated in my blood then I rest my case.

I take benzodiazepines for MCAS flairs. That explains how big of a shit show this all is.

‘Clean up your diet ordinary stranger’ oh is that right? Just eat fiber and expect to digest it normally?

‘Worry about detoxing’

Billions of ticks scattered on the fucking ground floor but we’re going to pretend that it’s equivalent to communicating with aliens from the outer rim of the galaxy. Do you get it?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Sleep question

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Ever since my symptoms started in 2021 my sleep has been awful. I used to sleep blissfully through the night for nine hours straight. Now I sleep for four hours, wake up to pee (frequent urination was one of my first symptoms), then go back to sleep for two hours at a time. I suspect my dysregulated/sensitized nervous system is playing a role, as I can sleep a little better when less stressed. On the very rare occasion - maybe once a year - when I sleep for seven hours straight, I wake up feeling better, so it's been my goal to somehow get there. I haven't started treatment yet, am super sensitive and just want to go the most natural route, not even taking melatonin.

Is it possible to get good quality sleep (deep sleep for many hours) before you heal or does it primarily happen as a result of healing? I'm curious if the body can even heal on poor quality sleep.


r/Lyme • • 22h ago

Question For those of you who have done SOT therapy for your Lyme and co-infections: Did it work? How long did you have untreated Lyme? How many co-infections did you have? What were the results? Did you get better or relapse? Where did you go for your treatment? What was the cost?

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Azithromycin bartonella resistance

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Hi,

according to in-vitro experiments, bartonella supposedly develops quick resistance to macrolides if azithromycin is used alone, but when I asked multiple LLMDs, everyone said not so quick. If you took azithromycin for a short period (eg. a week or two) alone then stopped without being on other antimicrobials, did you find that it worked less the next time around?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Potential abdominal tuberculosis - inflamed lymph nodes

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Hello everyone. I've been having horrible pain in the back and flanks which I thought could be kidneys or referred pancreatic pain but it seems like all that is fine, based on bloodwork and a CT scan. However, they found retroperitoneal and mesenteric inflamed lymph nodes (9mm) which are in the area of the kidneys, behind the pancreas, exactly where it hurts the most. This pain then travels to the front and lower abdomen, especially tender and bloated around the navel. I have also been experiencing very intense hypoglycemia episodes which my endo things is not related to the lymph nodes but she asked if I have ever tested for tuberculosis cause I also have a granuloma in the lung. She highlighted this and referred me to an infectious disease dr who I will be seeing tomorrow. I wanted to ask your thoughts on tuberculosis, has anyone here had it, and it was dormant for a while like lyme or something? I had a major surgery in February which caused me many symptoms and made my dysautonomia especially bad again. I have the 3 bs + Miyamotoi.

Any thought would be appreciated!! thanks a ton!


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Tafenequine and dental work

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Obviously this is a question for a doc. But, have you ever had dental work done while on tafenequine ? Seems like the numbing agents would be contraindicated. I’ve got a small cavity and am a bit worried about it .


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Buy bicillin ?

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Anyone Mexico websites I can buy bicillin from?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Anyone have urobilinogen come up elevated in their urine who has babesia?

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Should I extend the course of doxycycline?

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Hey, I’m nearing the end of my Doxycycline antibiotic treatment—I was prescribed 30 days for Lyme disease. I think I’m feeling better, though it’s still up and down, with some days better than others.

In the meantime, I’ve developed babesiosis (shortness of breath, fatigue, etc.), and because the symptoms overlap, I’m not sure whether to extend the Doxy treatment or not.

I started it fairly early, 13 days after the bite. In 3 days, I’m starting a course of Cryptolepis, oregano oil, Sida acutis, cistus and maybe something else will be added (if you have any favorites of your own, I’d appreciate your suggestions).


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Finished 20 days of Doxy yesterday for Lyme – still exhausted and legs cramp while standing. Normal or second opinion?

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Hi everyond,

I am From Germany. Diagnosed with Lyme disease (bullseye rash + positive blood test).

  • Timeline: Symptoms (severe fatigue, leg/arm pain) started in late July. Treatment only started ~2 months after symptoms began.
  • Treatment: Just finished a 20-day course of Doxycycline yesterday. The rash is gone.
  • Current Symptoms: Severe fatigue and leg pain/cramps after just seconds/minutes of standing. I feel as bad as before treatment and have been housebound for 6 weeks.

My doctor says to be patient because recovery takes time. i am scared and don't know if I should wait it out or seek a second opinion immediately.

Is this normal right after antibiotics? Any advice is appreciated!

TL;DR: Germany. Symptoms since late July, treatment started ~2 months later. Finished 20 days of Doxy yesterday. Rash gone, but severe fatigue and leg cramps while standing persist. Wait or see another doctor?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Strange localized numbness

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I’ve had Lyme for about 3 1/2 years, I struggle in general but for the last week or so I’ve had a sort of a numbness feeling on the right side of my forehead about half an inch above my eye and about 2in wide area and it almost feels a little deeper. Just hoping it’s not serious and it’s just one of those things that comes and goes with Lyme. Has anyone else had any issues like that? I have been around mold a decent bit here the last few weeks as me and my wife just bought our first house and are remediating and remodeling prior to moving in. But I have been doing my best to wear a full face respirator when around the mold.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question With herxing and in general I have this terrible feeling from my nervous system where I want to put my nails in my skin to elevate this feeling. I read that it is called dysesthesia. Other people familiar with this as well?

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question LLMD in Europe for IV antibiotics

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Hi guys, do you know of any LLMD in Europe who can provide IV antibiotic treatment?