r/MadeMeSmile • u/tokiobest • 19d ago
DOGGO Self actualization 😆
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Dogs realizing what they look like is probably one of the funniest things out there 😂
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u/PumbaKahula 19d ago
I have a pet turkey that loves to fight his reflection on the bumpers of the pickups on my property. It never gets old to me for a cheap laugh.
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u/VicariousNarok 19d ago
The side of my aunts car is nothing but scratches because a peacock keeps coming over to make sure he's the strongest peacock around.
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u/Cookingmonster90099 19d ago
Do you have a video?
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u/PumbaKahula 18d ago
I almost had one today after posting this but my brother chased him off before I could grab my phone. He thinks it’s funny until it’s his own pickup. Tom is a big, old bird that’s lucky he hasn’t seen the dinner table yet. That’s life in the Ozarks for ya.
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u/antithero 18d ago
We had chickens & turkeys when I was a teen. Turkeys are some of the dumbest creatures I have ever seen. They will peck at any mirrored surface. They will plunge their heads into water if they see their reflection it in. They are so dumb.
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u/Cookingmonster90099 18d ago
lol my parents also have a turkey called Tom. Is that a common turkey name?
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u/gotele 19d ago
So what if one realizes it's their reflection, it's that like an evolutionary milestone?
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
No, many do recognize or learn to recognize themselves. Several of the dogs in this video are testing to see if it’s them or another dog.
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u/mahnamahna123 19d ago
My dog knows that the dog in the mirror is her reflection. But she still gets jealous when mirror dog gets pets or if I interact with mirror dog 😅
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
LMAO okay that’s pretty funny! My dog knows it’s him, too. Figured it out as a puppy but it was fun watching him learn! He does not get jealous of reflection him xD
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u/mahnamahna123 19d ago
She did it last night I was petting her head but making eye contact with mirror Rosie. She got the saddest face on and is now interviewing with new owners who won't do that and will give cheese on demand
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u/decadeslongrut 19d ago
my childhood dog used to bark at his reflection as a puppy, but eventually realised it's not another dog and stopped giving it any notice. one day when he was a few years old i put one of my t shirts on him. he walked past the mirror and then did the most exaggerated comical double take, and then spent a minute just standing still staring at the mirror at his apparently unexpectedly changed reflection.
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u/a_spoopy_ghost 19d ago
My dog uses my mirror to stare at me without facing me. She’s a weirdo
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u/antithero 18d ago
Mine would look out the window at night and bark at their own reflection when they were little. Figured it out as they got older.
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u/pnweiner 19d ago
Yes, self awareness is a huge evolutionary milestone. But some dogs can recognize it’s them and some can’t. Look up elephants doing a self awareness test. Studied this in my evolutionary neuro class
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u/Grouchy_Public2379 19d ago
It has always fascinated me that neither of my cats have ever had the slightest reaction to the mirror. Like, what? It's either the first time you've ever seen yourself from a third person view, or there's another cat in the house. But how can they just... not care?
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u/Luxalpa 19d ago
evolutionary milestone
Please describe what you mean, evolution doesn't usually have milestones.
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u/licoricenipple 19d ago
Dogs evolve into chupacabras at level 31 or if they recognize themselves in a mirror in the daytime
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u/pnweiner 19d ago
I would describe it as something that occurs in evolution that turns out to be extremely beneficial and is seen popping up separately in multiple branches of the evolutionary tree. I agree that maybe that wasn’t the right word to use, but I was trying to connect with the commenter above me.
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u/theLuminescentlion 19d ago
Many animals can tell it's them in the mirror. It's a pretty standard test on the intelligence of non-humans.
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u/Mr_Piddles 19d ago
My dog's first reaction to a mirror was to sniff it, then just walk away. I think most intelligent breeds are going to figure it out pretty quickly.
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u/Hot-Emu8003 19d ago
While dogs fail the visual mirror test because an unscented reflection carries no biological meaning to them, they pass the olfactory mirror test by recognizing their own unique scent and detecting when it has been altered.
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u/BluudLust 18d ago
That one dog with its paws towards the end looked an awful lot like it was starting to figure it out
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u/Dreadgoat 19d ago
Nothing can surpass their natural limitations, but yes everything can learn, and natural limitations vary dramatically among individuals.
A stupid dog will never achieve self-awareness, and will always fight the dog in the mirror. A smart dog will be confused for some amount of time, but figure it out based on how smart they are. Even within the same breed, there's a lot of variance in intelligence. Some dogs are just smart. Some are just dumb.
We are no different. Baseline human intellect means we can figure out what a reflection is almost universally, but everyone knows different people have different limits. There are real adult human beings living out their lives around us who genuinely can't grasp indirect cause & effect.
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u/Aeroncastle 19d ago
Mirror only work for us because we are primarily visual in how we interact with the world, dogs use smell for a lot of things, so they don't perceive the image of a dog with no smell the same way you do
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u/kitkatrat 19d ago
I do the same thing when my screen turns off and I’m staring at a black mirror.
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u/cool_girl6540 19d ago
This heading is totally wrong. They don’t think they are seeing themselves. This is not “self-actualization.” They think they are seeing another dog.
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u/javel1 19d ago
This is so stupid, but a huge pet peeve of mine is when people say seen instead of saw.
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u/Bostonterrierpug 18d ago
Look up corpus linguistics, and descriptive grammar :) a lot of people get annoyed that language is living and changing thing, but that’s just the way we do it.
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u/thegrammarspammer 19d ago
It’s not stupid. It’s important.
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u/Money-Director6649 19d ago edited 19d ago
important for a rando on a casual social forum? i don't find that it matters.
if they don't know how to speak proper school english in contexts that require it, they won't find themselves in those contexts very often. look, i edited books for a living, and was trained by one of the best editors in the country.
she didn't need to tell me that context matters.
i get that it's a pet peeve. we all have them. mine is "loose" for "lose." you loose the hounds, you lose your virginity.
i don't bother pointing it out on social media, which is just as casual as hanging out in the park. ofc i'd correct it if i were editing a book or some other piece of professional writing.
i also don't correct people in casual conversation face to face. know why? it's rude.
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u/Temporary_Abroad_211 18d ago
Loosing the hounds and losing one's virginity just casually hanging out in the park used to be called "Friday night". 😉
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u/QueefMyCheese 19d ago
5 words warranted all of that and you ended it all by telling them how you're better than them
Lmfao
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u/NoIndividual9296 19d ago
It really isn’t, words change spelling and meaning all the time and will continue to do so until the sun dies, the only thing being a stickler for grammar does is make you unpopular socially.
If you are able to correct someone’s grammar or spelling then that means you understood the meaning of what they said, which is the only bit that actually is important.
I’m a grammar anti-fascist and hate grammar Nazis
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u/javel1 19d ago
As I said, it bothers me and I think it's because it is so widely used. I understand it's not important in the grand scheme of things but that's what makes it a pet peeve.
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u/Money-Director6649 19d ago
yeah, we all do have them. what takes it further, and--for me at least--increases my annoyance is when i go a step farther and point it out. i find thins bother me less (and certainly bother others less) when i just feel the feels and move on.
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u/Key-Demand-2569 19d ago
I get what you’re saying, and I don’t go around correcting people…
But on Reddit alone I’ve seen a stark degradation in people’s ability to both communicate themselves effectively and read and comprehend what others are writing.
And it’s absolutely not just a Reddit issue, it’s just been very visible here. It’s a society wide issue when it comes to written communication.
There’s some value to making an effort when it comes to grammar and wording because that’s part of it all.
“Understanding it well enough to correct them means you understood them.” means I probably don’t care to bother correcting anyone, I’d agree with you there. …but it’s not great all the time because they’re probably not honestly communicating as well as they think.
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u/Mean_Direction_8280 19d ago
It may not always be necessary to point it out, but it's not an excuse to not learn proper grammar, pronunciation etc:. You'll be taken more seriously. English seems to be the only language where so many people will give you a pass for not bothering to speak it properly.
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u/Skittles_The_Giggler 18d ago
So you’re unfamiliar with AAVE? Or is the whole dialect a “pet peeve” of yours?
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u/Therashser 19d ago
We had a collie in the 80s, she was very smart in a lot of ways; but she went berserk if she saw herself in a reflection.
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u/Sudo-Fed 19d ago
Of all the life choices to make, putting mirror at crotch height in front of a pitbull is not one I'd copy.
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u/ZePample 19d ago
Dogs dont recognise themselfs in a mirror. Google it.
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u/czerilla 19d ago
Fun fact: the mirror test we do to figure this out consists of researchers putting a red spot on the animal's forehead while it's sedated, and then given access to a mirror to observe, if it responds to it, by touching it, wiping it off, etc.
Those scientists are basically playing the role of frat party pranksters who saw the animal fall asleep at the party.. 🙃6
u/Few_Program_2303 19d ago
What if the animal likes the red dot look? They should do something like a gross bug
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u/licoricenipple 19d ago
For the advanced test they put the animal in a white collar after Labor Day and check if it gets embarrassed
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u/Pirraya 18d ago
What if dogs dont see red as good as other species does?
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u/czerilla 18d ago
That's actually a live criticism of the research/method, from what I've seen. That this experiment biases against animals with worse visual perception, compared to their other senses, like dogs.
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u/MossSloths 19d ago
It's not foolproof by any means, but the mirror test is a long-standing approach for learning about how animals understand mirrors. It doesn't account for this like an animal not caring if it's appearance is different (cats regularly don't react to people piling things on them, it's believeable that the same could hold true for marks on its face.)
It's also hard to imagine some of the dogs in the video understand that it's them when they react with fear aggression.
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u/superkeer 19d ago
Science, man. The degree of certainty we've gathered via scientific experimentation effectively means we can conclude dogs and most other animals don't recognize themselves in the mirror. The few exceptions to the rule further prove this, as well.
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u/blueViolet26 19d ago
They don't have the same level of awareness that some animals do. Babies don't recognize themselves in the mirror at first either.
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u/Luxalpa 19d ago
People love anthropomorphizing animals, so they don't understand these mirror tests. Animals actually think very different from humans. The reason is that their lives are extremely different from those of humans as well as other species. Their brains are built to navigate the world that they care about.
Just as an example, dogs have very different vision from humans, and they can see with their nose using smells. They care about very different things than humans do, like for example about territory, their pack, etc. They are also hunters, not gatherers like humans are.
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
Many do. Actually get to know some dogs. Also, even fish have learned to recognize themselves in a mirror. Google it.
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u/MorrisBrett514 19d ago
That's weird, I goggled it and it said dogs don't recognize themselves
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
Well that’s weird bc my dog recognizes both of us in the mirror and reacts to my facial expressions/ grabbing a toy from behind my back, making bunny ears above his head (by looking up), etc and my last dog did, too.
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u/MorrisBrett514 19d ago
Wow, you're right! Why listen to science, when people on reddit know better!
We are so fucking cooked, guys.
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u/throwaway_acc746 19d ago
That is science, he performed his own observation and experiments.
You can also see it in this video, analyze the dog’s behavior.
Many people have noticed this too.
Google isn’t the ultimate truth holder.
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u/ZePample 19d ago edited 19d ago
They dont. No dogs successfully pass the miror test in controlled condition and the reason is simple : dogs barely see. Dogs first interract with the world trough smell.
They have been tested through smell and some of them seem to have passed but there is no scientific consensus.
On the other hand, many fish actually pass the miror test.
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
Dogs barely see … you know there’s literal sight hounds, right? You’re being daft. Have a nice day, tho!
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u/chunkoco 19d ago
Dogs eyesight isn't very good in terms of sharpness, color, or detail. Dogs eyes are better for detecting movement and for night vision.
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u/Shoddy-Wishbone 19d ago
Well my dogs have always learned to recognize themselves and me in a mirror and react according to what I’m doing. I even hold up bunny ears behind my current dog’s head like a photobomb and he looks away from the mirror and up/behind his head to see what I’m doing to him.
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u/Luxalpa 19d ago
Good for you. Now do the test in some actual scientific conditions and not just under your own personal and definitely not biased interpretation. You might have just found the one single counter example and everyone else who thought the exact same thing as you but were proven wrong were all just idiots.
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u/Luxalpa 19d ago
What an incredibly stupid comment to make. Yes, there's sight hounds, great, amazing even, although none of the dogs here are such dogs. And of course, that doesn't make them amazing at seeing things.
In summary, while the visual system of dogs may be consid- ered to be worse than that of humans in many ways (P. E. Miller & Murphy, 1995), it is evident from our review that, in some ways, their vision is superior, or at least different. It seems that the visual acuity and color perception capabilities of domestic dogs are less sensitive than those observed in humans, but the observed flicker-fusion rate, and their ability to function in dim light, surpass those of human capacities. Of most relevance here is that many aspects of dog vision remain substantially understudied. Moreover, many studies have used extremely small sample sizes, often comprising a single breed, and, as a result, individual, breed, and morphological differ- ences have rarely been considered (for a review see Arden, Bensky, & Adams, 2016).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29143248/
(note I didn't read the actual paper, because I have better things to do than spend several hours to disprove random people on reddit who are too lazy to google shit)
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u/throwaway_acc746 19d ago
If you didn’t actually read it then why are you taking what it says as 100% true and calling others stupid?
Also that’s from 10 years ago and it seems that they’re quoting something from 1995?
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u/Luxalpa 18d ago edited 18d ago
why are you taking what it says as 100% true
I am not. I am considering a scientific paper to be more credible than something some rando on reddit says with no evidence whatsoever.
Also that’s from 10 years ago and it seems that they’re quoting something from 1995?
And? I read the wikipedia article about sight hounds, it says nothing about their vision, so the most sensible assumption here is that the person I responded to made shit up, unless they are a researcher themselves or they have some other source that didn't even make it into wikipedia.
So instead, I had the AI lookup for some papers. The AI is pretty convinced that the guy I responded to is wrong, but as you probably don't know, AI is pretty hit-or-miss on these things. So instead, I asked it to give some actual information.
My goal also was never to disprove the person I responded to. I simply wanted to verify it. The fact that the 2016 paper and the 1995 paper both appear to disprove the person is just what it is. I posted it in the hopes that the idiot could maybe respond and defend their standpoint by posting things I didn't know about.
Also that’s from 10 years ago and it seems that they’re quoting something from 1995?
General Relativity is also about 100 years old and guess what? It's still true today. Why would it be wrong all of a sudden?
Again, if you think that the evidence is wrong, bring your own evidence.
But it seems to me that you just LOVE misinformation and lies and much rather listen to what some rando says on the internet than actual verified information.
and calling others stupid?
You mean do literally the same thing that the other guy did? "oh look cats exists therefore all dogs have great eyesight" <- that's what we call conclusion does not follow from the premises. One of the most common misinformation strategies out there.
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u/klineshrike 19d ago
I would think mirrors would then be even more obvious to dogs as they cant smell the other dog
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u/mysound 19d ago
I don't know if "my reflection" would be an obvious conclusion for a dog at any point. I would suspect that the lack of smell is more confusing and potentially upsetting. Sure, dogs can get used to their reflection, but I'm not sure how often they get to the point of thinking "That's me"
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u/GuardingxCross 19d ago
Correct. They also don’t do things like “smile” despite so many claiming their dog does it.
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u/ZePample 19d ago
Dogs have evolved accross milenia with humans and are scientifically recognised to react to emorion and try to mimic them.
I would not say dogs dont smile, to simplify it i would say they dont know what smiling means, they mimic.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 19d ago
Fun fact, wild boars can actually recognize their reflections as reflections.
They also can, and will, murder you for fun.
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u/NamelessCabbage 19d ago
So they ARE like people!
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u/ripyourlungsdave 19d ago
Selfish destruction of local ecosystems for petty consumption and everything!
They are truly magical.
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u/r_throwaway_16 19d ago
When my dog was a puppy she went from being angry at her reflection to trying to play with her reflection. The evolution was very cute. Now she doesn't care!
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u/StuBidasol 19d ago
I tried that with my cat long ago and he walked up to the mirror, sniffed his reflection and walked away. Took all the fun out of it for me.
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u/Appropriate-Pack-729 18d ago
Same! I have 2 cats and both of them could not care less about their reflections. My male cat was the most reactive the first time he saw himself only because he sniffed the mirror. My female barely looked at it. Now it is as if mirrors don't exist to them.
My old kitty that passed a few years ago, he would occasionally sit and look at himself but that was it.
They are obviously much smarter than their dog counterparts 😂
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u/TheHighDruid 19d ago
My 8-week-old malamute on her first day home took one look in the mirror and immediately tried to get behind it to find the other puppy.
It took her a few times back and forth for realisation to kick in, and then she sat in front of it doing head tilts.
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u/CaribeBaby 19d ago
My favorites are the little, white, fluffy one trying to get to her owner's reflection and the BW one in the 3 way mirror. :-)
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u/NPK532 19d ago
Pitbulls are a dangerous breed. Also, clanker AI post
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u/Obelisk_M 18d ago
No, they aren't.
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u/NPK532 18d ago
Pretty much every single tracking metric from varied insurance companies, law firms, the National Center for Health Statistics, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the CDC have all found that dog bites were most likely to come from the following breeds (in order of highest incidents): Pit Bulls, German Shepherd, bull terrier, and Rottweiler....but your pitbull hasn't killed anyone yet so everyone must be wrong 🙄
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u/Obelisk_M 18d ago
When did I say I have a pitbull? Weird how you're poisoning the well like that.
This nice website has studies backing the claims showing a 60% misidentification of pitbulls, 62% aren't even mostly pitbull by DNA,
Branching out Although many physical traits were associated with breeds, behavior was much more variable among individual dogs.
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u/chucktaylornews3 19d ago
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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u/NarwhalEmergency9391 19d ago
I think we've all had that thought of "damn that's what I look like? Oh well"
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u/DistanceRelevant3899 19d ago
My dog had no reaction to seeing herself in the mirror for the first time. She just ignored it.
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u/Heavy_Student_3815 19d ago
I tried showing my dogs themselves in the mirror and they just walked up, sniffed it, then walked away. It was as if because it had no scent, it did not exist.
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u/coffee--beans 19d ago
My dog sees herself in the mirror all the time cuz we have one that goes down to the floor and she knows she's cute
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u/RockPersonal 19d ago
I laugh but am not much better. I tried to shoulder push my reflection during a night out
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u/ValhallaGH 18d ago
Mirror dog has no scent.
Ghosts have no scent.
Mirror dog is ghost!
Fight or Flight time!
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u/hiirogen 18d ago
I have had many pets but none of them has ever reacted to their reflection at all :(
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u/Tossmelossme 18d ago
“Self actualizing” where?? They seem to all think they’re looking at other dogs.
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u/DukeMancannonTTV 19d ago
BRO
Reddit has taught me that pibbie wibbie doggo waggos are the besto doggos and never hurt anyone.
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u/Sea-Development3191 19d ago
I was thinking the same thing. Who tf is dumb enough to try this with a pit ??
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u/Classic-Morning-5299 19d ago
My dog is camera and mirror friendly.... I always wanted to see this side of him.... 😂
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u/RealDeltaMike 19d ago
I used to think dogs are idiots compared to cats. Look how some of them are moving their paws, their body, in a way to check if it's simply their image, coz their intuition tells them it's them only.
Look at how rhythmic, checking for symmetry & how methodical they're being while experimenting. It's classic deduction technique, you've a hypothesis & then you methodically go about proving if it's true.
The mid sized dogs are being smarter here. The big ones are brutish & being purely emotional. Big babies.
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