r/MurderedByWords • • 12h ago

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u/kosherhalfsourpickle 12h ago

I could be wrong, but there haven't been 5 star generals since World War II.

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u/Jeansaintfire 12h ago

The last person promoted to 5 star was in 1950 Omar Bradley who died in 1981.

There's only been 5 ever.

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u/danlawl 12h ago

Who votes for them to become one then if there is so few of them? Is it their peers?

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u/capnpetch 11h ago

It’s a quirk of European ranking systems. It was created to allow them to align with the top level generals of European allies during WW2. Didn’t need them before and haven’t needed them since.

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u/the_tytan 11h ago

Is it because the highest rank (at least in Britain) was Field Marshal?

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u/Many-Salt-4321 10h ago

That's right. The US system top rank "General" was 4 star. UK (and other EU systems) had field marshal that outranked Generals. So the US added a 5 star "General of the Army" in 1944 to solve any issues with command hierarchy.

There is another rank "General of the Armies" which was created post-WW1 bestowed on Pershing for his service. They also posthumously promoted Grant in 2024 and George Washington in 1976 with the caveat that Washington's rank has "precedence over all other grades of the Army, past or present." This doesn't have any specific star insignia IIRC.

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u/TetraDax 10h ago

Yes, and in France (although it hasn't been active in a long time). It was basically just trying to avoid a situation where Montgomery or De Gaulle could pull rank on the four US generals (although this did not happen anyway, they were fighting together long before the rank was created in December '44).

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u/danlawl 11h ago

Interesting! Thanks for the info. 🙂

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u/UnrealCanine 11h ago

The US can only promote to a 5-star during wartime, and hasn't declared war since WWII. Omar Bradley is an exception because when he was made Chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff, Douglas MacArthur would have been his subordinate and outranked him

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u/arwinda 11h ago

But ... the US is at war with wokeness! That must count for something, least a 5 star Trump general! /s

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u/ZoominAlong 11h ago

Its not a vote the way we vote for representatives. In the military, you earn it, kind of like a promotion at your job. General is also a rank during active enlistment, and specifically four star generals are only allowed to be 4 star during active enlistment ,  as it's attached to your office.

You can retire with the rank of General,  but apparently not 4 stars. 

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 11h ago

They can have their 4 star duty certified for retirement or something but it isn’t guaranteed.

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u/ZoominAlong 11h ago

Yeah I was pulling it from Wikipedia and it seems a little confusing the way it's worded. Like they can't use it in retirement but then they can? It's weird, idk. 

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u/SeonaidMacSaicais 11h ago

Probably. Like for electing a new pope.

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u/Unassuming_Fruits 11h ago

Appointed by the President himself and recommended by other top leadership such as the JCOS. Intended for wartime use only.

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u/VultureSausage 8h ago

Eight, no?

Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan following the Civil War and then Marshall, MacArthur, Eisenhower, Arnold, and Bradley in WWII.

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u/Jeansaintfire 4h ago

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u/VultureSausage 4h ago

Congress enacted legislation authorizing the grade of General of the Army on July 25, 1866, and on that date the new grade was conferred on Lieutenant General Ulysses S. Grant . The grade was recognized and continued in various acts until the Act of July 15, 1870, which contained the requirement that "the offices of general and lieutenant general shall continue until a vacancy shall exist in the same, and no longer, and when such vacancy shall occur in either of said offices shall become inoperative, and shall, by virtue of this act, from thence forward be held to be repealed."

William T. Sherman, Grant's successor as Commanding General of the Army, was appointed as General of the Army on March 4, 1869, and upon his retirement in February 1884 was placed on the retired list as General of the Army. Under the provisions of the Act of March 3, 1885, authorizing the appointment of a "general of the Army on the retired list," this grade was also conferred on General Grant shortly before his death on July 23, 1885. The title ceased to exist as a grade of military rank at Sherman's death on February 14, 1891.

The insignia wasn't 5 stars for the three Civil War generals but they're still Generals of the Army and thus 5-star retroactively, no? Or is it a case of General of the Army not being the same thing as General of the Army?

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u/wurmsrus 7h ago

According to Wikipedia yes, There's also been 5 five star admirals (Fleet AAdmirals) Dewey after Spanish-American war, and Leahy, King, Nimitz, and Halsey Jr during/after WWII

Arnold also became the only 5 star Air Force General when the Air Force was separated out from the Army post WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_Army_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_admiral_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_Air_Force

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u/UF1977 11h ago

Technically after the war; the last 5-star was Bradley, promoted in 1950 when he became Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, so he wouldn’t be outranked by MacArthur, who was still on active service.

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u/ZoominAlong 12h ago

You're not wrong.  Eisenhower was our last 5 star and he was an admiral if I remember correctly (if you're a WWII military buff, feel free to correct this if I got it wrong.)

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u/ShutYourButt420 12h ago

No he was a general

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u/ZoominAlong 11h ago

Thanks! Now I'm trying to remember who the admiral is I'm thinking of. 

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u/One_Hour_Poop 11h ago

Chester Nimitz.

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u/Worried_Fee_1513 11h ago

Admirals are Navy I think.

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u/ZoominAlong 11h ago

Oh sorry I knew that. For some reason I thought Eisenhower was an Admiral and now I'm trying to think of who I was actually thinking of. 

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u/wytewydow 10h ago

Admiral Nimitz is the only one I can name off hand.

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u/Jerithil 8h ago

There were 4 in history:

William D. Leahy

Ernest King

Chester W. Nimitz

William Halsey Jr.

Edit* Admiral George Dewey was also given a similar rank for his services in the Spanish American war.

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 11h ago

Nimitz, Halsey, King and Leahy were the only 4 WWII five star admirals.

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u/Jeansaintfire 4h ago

• George C. Marshall (Appointed 12-16-1944) • Douglas MacArthur (Appointed 12-18-1944) • Dwight D. Eisenhower (Appointed 12-20-1944) • Henry H. "Hap" Arnold (Appointed 12-21-1944; later designated General of the Air Force) • Omar N. Bradley (Appointed 9-20-1950)

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u/ZoominAlong 32m ago

Thanks!!!

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u/Ressy02 11h ago

That’s because there’s no one worthy until trump came along /s