r/Music • u/warwickd • Oct 30 '25
music Don't Stream Fascism: No Kings Organizers Encourage Spotify Boycott Over ICE Ads
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/no-kings-organizers-spotify-boycott-21127453.php235
u/Gypsysinner666 Oct 30 '25
Satellite radio runs this ad as well.
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Oct 30 '25
All of these corporations will take that check to the bank with a smile. Anywhere they pay to run the ads, you'll see or hear the ads. It's not like the people who run these companies give a shit
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u/Commemorative-Banana Oct 30 '25
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information. Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.
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u/King_Dead Oct 30 '25
Funnily enough at least in terms of free tv there is a difference. Pluto and Google TV are the worst when it comes to morally wrong ads
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25
Satellite radio runs too many ads in general
I cancelled my Sirius subscription after less than a year because I found myself paying for more ads than cable.
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u/MeBeEric SoundCloud Oct 30 '25
See what’s crazy is i always assumed the selling point of satellite radio was minimal ads
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u/dommol Oct 30 '25
What stations do you listen to? I have Sirius in my car and get no ads?
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u/varyingopinions Oct 30 '25
I listen to every genre, country, rock, rap, the kids bop channel when my kids were younger, pop, the TikTok channel. I've never heard any ads other than maybe a dj saying "check out so and so on channel x"
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u/bigtrumanenergy Oct 31 '25
I have Sirius too. I bounce around the decade stations, Willie's Roadhouse, Underground Garage, and the yacht rock/soft rock stations.
Literally the only ads I ever heard on Sirius was for other stations, other shows, and whatever album Willie has coming out.
Maybe they are talking about Sirius hosting conservative news streams?
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u/Talentagentfriend Oct 31 '25
I’ve been seeing ice ads everywhere, not only on Spotify
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u/AshKeeshums Oct 31 '25
I deleted a (very entertaining) game from my phone because I started to be overcome with ICE ads.
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u/Rex_Digsdale Oct 31 '25
Fucking A. We should all be boycotting anything suss. There may be some discomfort in that but it'll be a lot less than in the world we're headed towards.
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u/XtremeAlf Oct 30 '25
Is there an app to transfer our playlists??
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u/AngelOfLexaproScene Oct 30 '25
I used Free Your Music when I switched over to Qobuz last week
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Oct 30 '25
What a terrible brand name
It’s like a corporate Tragedeigh
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u/ohfml Oct 31 '25
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u/lolwatokay Oct 31 '25
This is a bad name in the same way that 'if you have to explain the joke, it's not a good joke' is true
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u/BobTheFettt Oct 30 '25
I can't get the qobuz pc app to play anything. It just tells me there's no audio output device selected and then won't let me select one
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u/various101 Oct 31 '25
Qobuz do not have as big of a library tho. Ive been using Spotify for years and have almost 2800 songs. When I was using it I looked up Cumbias and a good chunk of song I wanted to hear weren't available on the platform.
I like how you cab change the audio setting depending your internet connection but some choice on this app are limited. I tried transferring my liked songs multiple times with zero luck.
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u/thefudd Oct 30 '25
Deezer does it. It's pretty seamless I was very impressed.
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u/JonnySniper Oct 31 '25 edited Nov 05 '25
Can vouch for Deezer.
I cancelled my Spotify subcription as soon as they invested in that Drone company which will assist the IDF. Moved over to Deezer and has been pretty slick so far
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u/RucITYpUti Oct 31 '25
I moved to Deezer years ago. Finding new music was better than whatever Spotify was doing anyway.
Never had a complaint. Never have I run into a situation where I couldn't find a particular song.
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u/Spelaeus Oct 30 '25
I switched to Deezer and it gave me an option to very easily import my playlists during account setup.
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u/monsieur_cacahuete Oct 30 '25
Tidal does it for free
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25
what's the audiobook situation on Tidal?
I think Spotify provides me a pretty good service for what I pay, but since they limit audiobooks to 15 hours per month on my family subscription and the audiobook "tier" is outrageously priced, I'm willing to change platforms.
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u/CapNCookM8 Oct 30 '25
I really don't know how Spotify fumbled audiobooks so bad, and the service as a whole definitely got more expensive because of it.
15 hours per month? I'd be lucky if that got me two weeks. Then the audiobook tier as you said is completely outrageous. $10 for 15 hours of audiobooks vs... a certain popular audiobook brand (that I won't mention because this is a thread about protest) being $15/month to "own" (you keep it for at least as long as the service gets to) the books.
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25
a certain popular audiobook brand (that I won't mention because this is a thread about protest)
I'm fully expecting at least one person to recommend that brand to me
reminds of the time when folks were (are) boycotting Target, and someone actually told me to shop at Wal-Mart instead because "at least they're up front about their shitty policies"
it gets exhausting sometimes... I'm just trying to listen on my shitty, neverending commute
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u/RisuPuffs Oct 31 '25
If you haven't already, check with your local library - quite a few have apps now where you can download and listen to audiobooks, and you can often apply for the library card online now. Definitely better supporting them than any corporation.
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u/riverrats2000 Oct 31 '25
Have you tried seeing if your library works with Libby or Hoopla? If they do, you can use your library card to listen to audio books for free
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u/DoTheVelcroFly Oct 31 '25
that I won't mention because this is a thread about protest
I don't follow, wouldn't mentioning the brand help with the Spotify protest?
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u/CapNCookM8 Oct 31 '25
It's audible, which is owned by Amazon. If your goal is to protest only Spotify, then yeah there you go; but I imagine most people wanting to protest Spotify aren't going to be thrilled at the idea of funneling that money to Bezos instead.
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u/notshore Oct 30 '25
i’m not sure if anyone replied about Libby and Hoopla yet, but if you have a library card you can access audiobooks for free on there. Sometimes there is a wait, a lot of times there isn’t :)
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u/Intelligent-Might614 Oct 31 '25
I can't imagine paying for audiobooks or ebooks, given how free and easy Libby is.
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u/Intelligent-Might614 Oct 30 '25
You can try the public library system for audiobooks. I listen to about 40 a year for free. Also supports our libraries that way. This of course assumes you are in the US.
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u/i_guess_i_did_it Oct 30 '25
This is also why I was hesitant to switch over. I use a commonly known app for my podcasts now, having to skip ads suck but once I saw most uploaded them in video form I think it was worth it.
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u/smuglator Oct 30 '25
It did not do it for free for me. There was a certain number of songs you could transfer for free, I think 500, after that you had to pay. Maybe it's changed now. (and I didn't pay, I manually copied my Playlists cus I messed up and started with the general "liked" list lol)
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u/SpezRuinedHellsite Oct 30 '25
I don't see how supporting Kanye West's pet project is materially better than Spotify.
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25
Kanye was only involved with Tidal from 2015 to 2017
and he had absolutely nothing to do with founding it
Looks like Tidal is currently run by Jack Dorsey... who is a billionaire that has his own set of problems.... regardless, I don't understand why you think that Tidal is a "pet project" of Kanye.... unless you just have no fucking clue what you're talking about
but why would someone who is completely ignorant on a subject make such bold claims... on reddit of all places? /s
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u/Pkmn_Gold Oct 30 '25
He is probably thinking of Jay Z.
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25
even still, Jay-Z sold his majority shares in 2022
He's on the board of Block, Tidal's parent company that Jack Dorsey runs, but he's only a minority shareholder, and calling Tidal a "pet project" of his (or anyone) still isn't accurate
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u/spruce_sprucerton Oct 30 '25
Pays artists much better. That's very material to me.
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u/monsieur_cacahuete Oct 30 '25
You just being racist and confusing two black guys or what? Jay-Z is not Kayne.
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u/LostSoulNothing Oct 30 '25
Apple Music has a built-in tool to transfer playlists from Spotify
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u/-Radiation Oct 30 '25
Apple for sure is not the solution, it is the same things as Spotify as enabling Trump and his regime. The other alternatives are better
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u/Yetan555 Oct 30 '25
Youtube music transfers playlists from spotify. My only beef so far is my liked list got turned into a playlist thats difficult to add to so I have to relike everything on youtube music
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u/RDDT_ADMNS_R_BOTS Oct 31 '25
Spotidownloader allows you to download your whole playlist. I don't think it's legal though.
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u/micande Oct 30 '25
I just moved over to Qobuz. Transferring my playlists was easy.
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u/screaminginfidels Oct 30 '25
The audio fidelity was night and day. Actually made me mad I've been listening to dogshit Spotify streams on sennheisers
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u/xurdm Oct 31 '25
Should've set the quality higher then. Spotify running ICE ads is a valid criticism and reason to boycott, but being mad you left the quality at low bitrate seems out of place
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u/Uncle-Cake Oct 30 '25
Are there some different billionaire plutocrats I should give my money too instead? Which streaming service has no ethical issues associated with it?
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u/tootrite Oct 30 '25
The internet archive has MP3s or FLACs of most music, unless you’re listening to some super underground shit you can download it and transfer it over to your phone. Offline play, no ads, no algorithms, just the music you want to listen to. Instead of the 15$/month you’re spending on a streaming service, you can put that towards buying merch from the bands you actually want to support. You can listen to morally dubious bands this way guilt-free as well.
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u/TheThingy Oct 31 '25
“Might as well support the nazis, since everyone is bad in some way.”
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u/wilburwalnut Oct 31 '25
records and cds don't have authoritarian owners. you own them forever. but i guess those come with a little discomfort so i guess thats out the window for most peopl
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u/atreeismissing Oct 31 '25
No ethical issues is impossible, but running ads FOR ICE is a lot different than a lot of other things, and Spotify does have a choice, they chose to run these ads and have been despite the pushback.
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u/That_Nice Oct 30 '25
Tidal has been a great music app for those that want an alternative.
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u/d_ardold Oct 31 '25
Tidal also pays artists more than any other service per a quick google search. Still probably not nearly enough, but it’s something at least.
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u/TheThingy Oct 31 '25
Tidal’s owner supports RFK, so idk if that’s the right place to go.
I like Qobuz.
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u/i-am-the-walrus789 Oct 30 '25
Yup. Swapped over last week. The transfer app is super handy. Been loving it
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u/garce818 Oct 30 '25
What transfer app? I need this?
Also, how much of your music did not transfer over?
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u/i-am-the-walrus789 Oct 30 '25
When you download tidal, it'll ask you if you want to transfer music. It'll then download something called FreeYourMusic. You can select which playlists, songs, artists or whatever you want to bring over from your Spotify. Is say of the 4,000 songs I have, maybe 20 didn't transfer. There could be more I Havnt noticed yet, but all in all it made the swap 1000x easier.
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u/garce818 Oct 30 '25
Thank you!
Getting rid of Spotify was hard for me to do bc I didn't want to lose the music I curated. But now knowing this will make the switch easy.
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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Oct 31 '25
I don't know what happened to Spotify's algo, I feel like when I started using the service back in 2013 it was way better. Now it just seems to recommend the most popular artists in whatever genre you're listening to, even if you already have them saved to your library.
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u/ihavenohighhopes Oct 31 '25
I just left Tidal after a year. There's zero algorithm and, not exaggerating, maybe a dozen genres to browse.
If you have niche interests, they are not good at showing you new music or making it easy to find. Kills me because they do pay artists better, but I wasn't impressed.
Plus lossless audio goes right out the window if you're using Bluetooth.
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u/twoprofessional Oct 30 '25
I am stealing premium so continuously fuck spotify.
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u/chitoatx Oct 30 '25
You’ll need to just shutoff your phone. There is billions of dollars for advertising that Trump is using on not just Spotify but other streaming services, local and national television. YouTube ads are frequent.
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u/Super_Deeg Oct 30 '25
Seen them on Reddit as well. All these companies are willing to take the money.
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u/Otherwise-Echo744 Oct 31 '25
Just VPN outside the US and you'll never see an ice ad
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u/TheThingy Oct 31 '25
It’s not “seeing them” that’s the issue. It’s supporting companies that are willing to give ICE a platform for recruitment. It’s like supporting a company that was taking money from nazis in 1933.
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u/ThisUsernameIsTook Oct 31 '25
Brave browser blocks YT ads to if you prefer to watch on a PC rather than your phone.
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u/steakanabake Oct 31 '25
ya braves CEO is a Anti-Vax Crypto trump supporter, Brendan Eich is a PoS.
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u/Brogdon_Brogdon Nov 02 '25
I can’t stress enough, if you love music and want high quality sound go with Qobuz. It’s night and day.
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u/BanhammersWrath Oct 30 '25
Swapped to Tidal before my sub renewed for Spotify. No issues, but also building up my own audio archives of bands I like just as a fail safe because with how streaming has been going having an offline library seems beneficial again.
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u/AngelOfLexaproScene Oct 30 '25
I switched to Qobuz last week. The audio quality really is noticeably better.
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u/jackofslayers Oct 30 '25
Just buy merch from bands and don't give money to any of the streaming services.
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u/templethot Oct 30 '25
From what I’ve gathered on here, you’re supposed to just go to random bandcamps and just figure it out.
That being said, if Bandcamp had a “random artist generator” to find new things I’d use that from time to time.
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u/templethot Oct 31 '25
Yeah that’s the tough part. I discover a LOT of new artists on there based on their systems, user playlists, and recommendations. I haven’t heard that the other platforms have caught up on that front yet.
But for all the people who say ditch streaming and just buy physical, they’re essentially saying “give your money basically only to your existing favorite bands and sorry to everyone you’ll never come across”
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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Oct 31 '25
Actually what you can do is on their search page, instead of sorting by "best-selling" select "surprise me".
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u/Spiner202 Oct 31 '25
Depends on your genre of music, but there are endless ways:
Read the liner notes of the albums you buy and see what other bands they thank. You can also see what albums the producer has done by other bands.
Listen to the bands that they tour with. Look for a festival that they're on and see what other bands are on the festival (this is pretty much the Warped Tour method)
Listen to the bands that previous members go on to form/that new members came from
Go on a wikipedia rabbit hole clicking links and you'll find tons of bands. You can start with a band or genre you already like.
Read reviews of albums you're listening to and see what bands they are compared to
Read threads on Reddit/other boards
Use Last.FM to track your listening habits and if you explore the website a bit, you'll find tons of bands.
If you're a metal fan:
- Use Metal-Archives and use the "Similar Artists" feature / use Metal-Archives and read the forums / use Metal-Archives and read the reviews / use Metal-Archives and look at the upcoming releases feature.
To be fair, no genre of music has a resource as great as Metal-Archives, so I understand it's a bit more challenging but there are endless websites. I used to spend hours on Thrash Unlimited, No Life 'til Metal, Classic Thrash, The Thrash Metal Guide, Metal Setlists, etc, finding new bands.
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u/Strottman Oct 31 '25
until I see some actual proof about how much great music you find using your methodology I'm gonna assume you spend a lot of time searching for great music while I spend my time listening to it.
Good lord Reddit is exhausting
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u/Spiner202 Oct 31 '25
None of it is work for me. It's all fun. I love the thrill of the hunt of discovering something new.
I'm not saying that Spotify doesn't work. I'm just saying that there are more ways to find music than relying on Spotify. Most of them are things I would do anyways. I go to concerts all the time, always read reviews for new albums, spend time interacting on forums, etc.
So until I see some actual proof about how much great music you find using your methodology I'm gonna assume you spend a lot of time searching for great music while I spend my time listening to it.
Do you not listen to music while you're doing this? It's not some huge methodology, it's literally just having fun with my hobby as a fan.
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u/ChiBurbABDL Oct 31 '25
You can always tell the casual fans by their suggestion to "just buy the music" 😆
Buddy, I listen to new music for a couple hours every single day. I have added over 1,000 songs to my "favorites" just in 2025 alone. Do you think I have the kind of money to buy each and every song or album that I enjoy? I'd rather use that money to actually see concerts or buy merch.
The alternative to streaming isn't buying, it's pirating.
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u/Neg_Crepe Oct 30 '25
Stop laughing and understand people can do both
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Oct 30 '25
There is no true freedom of choice when you deal with corporations.
Not everybody has physicals or an independent digital marketplace.
In that case, for my music, I would just direct people to pirate that shit. Download it off YT with a converter and boom. Done. Take it for free, mfs won't pay me out ever anyway
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u/thehappyrecluse last.fm/user/pokejen Oct 30 '25
This, I buy albums in vinyl directly from the artist or an indie record shop if I find myself listening to them all the way through more than a couple of times.
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u/sbp1200 Oct 30 '25
Ive been boycotting spotify for years over artist treatment lol
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u/wr0ngdr01d Oct 30 '25
Giving Toe Rogan $300M to spout Worlds Dumbest Propaganda ended my sub
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u/Diarygirl Oct 30 '25
Me too. It seemed crazy since there must be other ways to view content from Rogan that are free.
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Oct 30 '25
Canceled my Family Plan premium sub 3 weeks ago, and let them know, in all caps, why I was doing it in their exit survey.
Don't just quietly cancel. Tell them why. The CEO himself may not see it, but someone up there will.
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u/DangerousMethod5168 Oct 30 '25
I left them after Neil Young's Rogan protest. I know he reneged in 2022, but not me!!
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u/Birdius Oct 30 '25
Should I boycott my TV over the ICE ads as well?
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u/Spelaeus Oct 30 '25
Sure, you could cancel your cable subscription if you wish. Or cancel individual packages depending on what channels are hosting the ads. Why not?
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u/Birdius Oct 30 '25
I don't have a sub for TV though. Just a good ol antenna. If I just change the channel each time an ad pops up, will that do something?
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u/Spelaeus Oct 30 '25
Okay, so you're not financially supporting the platform for the ads. I don't see an issue.
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u/VelvetRabbit91 Oct 30 '25
Music artists make more money when you buy actual physical products like cd's and records. Our government is privatizing water and electricity and movies/tv have been edited, do yall not think they won't take away music too? Everyone needs to buy physical copies of things and download videos/photos onto devices.
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u/jackofslayers Oct 30 '25
If you have an artist you like, support them by buying merch directly.
No version of streaming is a good deal for artist.
There are literally 0 ways to stream music that are both legal and ethical.
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u/arochains1231 Metalhead Oct 30 '25
Physical media is supreme. I ripped all my 1400+ CDs into iTunes. No ads, no internet, no buffering.
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u/starsandmoonsohmy Oct 30 '25
I miss my iPod. I had 120g of music. Got into a car crash 3 years ago and was never allowed access to my car to clean it out. So it’s gone. :(
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u/SigglyTiggly Oct 30 '25
This shows the issues with these duopolises ( monopoly, but a few companies rather than a singular one)
I don't have access to many alternatives that haven't supported the trump Administration nor some of the ones people are suggesting don't have even half my artists
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u/admiral_kikan Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
People are going to have to pick their poison or don't stream at all. Many platforms either support ICE or Israel. But you'll really have to break it down and go further on whether Music Labels, Bands, members, artists etc also support it.
It's a very fickle thing.
Spotify, Deezer and Pandora support ICE
Spotify, Deezer, Apple, Amazon, Youtube and Tidal support Israel.
Many Radio stations across the US run SS Barbie's Propaganda ad for ICE.
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u/CollateralSandwich Oct 30 '25
Do better than a boycott. Stop using it. Period. Forever. Stop using ALL streaming services. Please buy your music. Buy albums. Like in olden times. I know it's easier said than done, but please try.
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u/ChiBurbABDL Oct 31 '25
No. I find like 100+ new songs that I enjoy every week. I cannot afford to buy them all, and I am not willing to give up my favorite pastime on earth just to make some political point and virtue signal about ICE. Let people have joy ffs.
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u/BadStriker Oct 31 '25
Qobuz is showing up so much in this thread I’m starting to think it’s an advertisement. I’ve never even heard of it until now. That name is ass too
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u/ThatNews7396 Oct 30 '25
Not to mention Spotify is actively involved in making AI drone warfare happen
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u/mancapturescolour Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Sorry, this is an oversimplification.
Daniel Ek is the CEO of Spotify, the company he co-founded in 2006. However, in early 2026, Ek is stepping into the role of Executive Chairman, with two new people as Spotify co-CEOs. Yes, he will still influence the business and strategy etc. Some say it's just a formality to acknowledge how the company is run in the last while.
Now. Separate and apart from Spotify, Ek has, as an individual, made an investment into an AI military defence company called Helsing. Ek is also a chairman at Helsing. Ek has received criticism for that investment.
But, that is not Spotify "actively involved" in making AI warfare happen.
Spotify ≠ Daniel Ek. Ek also has made investments in preventative health screenings (Neko Health). You don't go around saying "Spotify is actively involved in making less cancer happen", do you? Because it's not true. Spotify is not involved with that business.
People getting on the rage train and take any opportunity to blame Spotify...🤦♂️
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u/ThatNews7396 Oct 30 '25
The last thing I want to do is spread misinformation, thanks for the nitty gritty details.
Since I’m a simple person let’s put it more simply- I don’t support people who support AI warfare. That’s yet another reason why I’m pulling my Spotify support
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u/Potential-Load9313 Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25
Who do you support instead of Spotify?
And if it's Tidal, I've got some potentially bad news....
Jack Dorsey is big on mesh networking, and research developments made in this field are prolifically used in drone warfare.
How many degrees of separation do you need to feel good about which billionaire you support?
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u/traumalt Oct 30 '25
Unfortunately for us Europeans, the Russians are already using AI in their weapons systems, so this investment into EU's military is mostly catching up on our defence investment.
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u/Solace312 Oct 30 '25
You seem to have a very skewed perception on what AI warfare systems are. They all have man-in-the-loop for critical decisions. This is not "machines deciding to kill people". A lot of them actually are intended to patrol, defend, and alert and at the very least intended to reduce overall casualties in a war time environment through a variety of means. They are employed in what they call dirty, deadly, and dull situations. And a lot of them are counter UAS. Obviously no war is the best scenario, but not developing technologies that potential bad actors are also developing would be completely ignorant.
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u/al_ien5000 Oct 30 '25
What?? What does this mean?
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u/AdFront8465 Oct 30 '25
He's helping Europes defence against Russia, some people have a problem with that.
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u/AdFront8465 Oct 30 '25
Daniel Ek has invested in European defence industry. Spotify does a lot of bad things but I don't see what's wrong with it if you're not a pacifist or a tankie. Which one are you?
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Oct 30 '25
This is what a lot more companies and customers need to do
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article312675700.html
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u/ForcePush8 Oct 31 '25
Yeh no, unless the people also want to call our uber, netflix, YouTube, Apple, EA, etc it will never stop. We need laws and regulations. Especially for promoting a terrorist organization.
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u/omega884 Oct 31 '25
Laws and regulations to do what? ICE is a federal agency, using federal money to purchase ad space. What laws do you think you'd have success getting the federal government to pass that would have an impact here? The only thing I could think of is a general ban on the federal government purchasing ad space at all, which I just think is going to be a non-starter across the spectrum.
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u/ForcePush8 Oct 31 '25
Ice is a federal agency... bro lmfao wtf does that add.. Slavery was legal too; woman voting was illegal.... what laws? Dude Ice and America as a whole r comitting war crimes. Germany didn't go on trial right away either...
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u/sir_whammy Oct 30 '25
Cant imagine enough people care enough to stop using Spotify. Especially over ads for something we need here
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u/liquidmetal14 Oct 30 '25
Nothing irrational about this........and Spofity has lossless audio. No thanks, I'll keep my family plan there.
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u/rnobgyn Oct 30 '25
Friendly suggestion that we should all start buying music through bandcamp so artists get paid substantially more! Start small, a couple songs here and there - you can even stream your purchases through the app.
Would love if this movement also focused a bit on getting artists paid (which Spotify doesn’t)
And fuck ICE
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Oct 30 '25
Already cancelled it, and I loved Spotify. But, I also know what a pos of company they are, so no more Spotify.
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u/Sweaty-Willingness27 Oct 30 '25
SiriusXM and Pandora also do ICE ads
I used Pandora for years until I saw this (never did care much for Spotify since I do the radio option mostly)