Paramore’s Hayley Williams unleashes profanity-filled response after DHS tells her to ‘thank’ ICE

[u/theindependentonline]

https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/hayley-williams-ice-dhs-paramore-response-b3062326.html

[u/kingofclubstroy]

How about we stop blaming voters, and instead look at campaigns. We cannot really change the voters, but candidates can change what they run on. Y’all (moderates and the consultant class) have learned the wrong lesson from Obama. He won by a landslide running on a campaign of hope and change, and carried the house and senate to a majority with it. Come the mid terms, he wasn’t on the ballot to carry, and they did not adopt the same message, resulting in a loss and lack of a possibility of positive change to run on.

To add, a lot of real positive change, like a non gutted affordable healthcare bill that would have benefitted a lot more people, was hampered by corporate dems, cutting a lot of momentum from the administration and midterm results.

Y’all then think the thing to do is pivot/cater to the moderate right whose policies their lobbyists are more in favor of, rather than attempt to do what Obama did and energize the young and the disenfranchised to vote, which again was the last time the dems controlled both the house and senate.

Don’t claim to assume I’m not educated in what dems are and aren’t fighting for, or that you know better.

What was even the point of your post? To not bother trying to stand or fight for anything? Are you suggesting the best candidate is one where most of the base plugs their nose as they vote for the lesser of two evils?

[u/jamesp420 → u/kingofclubstroy]

They're not blaming voters in their entirety, they're rightfully blaming those who chose not to exercise their right to vote. Apathy or unfounded confidence that their vote isn't needed from registered voters is a huge problem, and a big part of why we end up in these situations. They're just as much to blame as both the spineless and selfish corpo wings of the democratic party.

[u/MadameFoxAdventures → u/jamesp420]

The biggest reason we have these issues is because our election process is a joke. Why do we allow the "debates" to be pissing contests to put down other candidates and avoid questions? Why do we not have ranked voting so people can vote with their conscience and we can stop this BS argument of "wasting your vote" or "voting for the other side" because people didn't vote for a dem. or rep.? Why do I see more videos of them all asking for donations than talking about their politics? We need to cap election spending and increase transparency. Special interest groups and corporations should not be allowed to contribute to a campaign, period. Plus so much more...

[u/jamesp420 → u/MadameFoxAdventures]

I mean if we're really getting into the nitty gritty of it, there's and endless number of really deeply embedded problems in our electoral process, many intentional.

Citizens United allowing for the ultra-wealthy to have a direct hand in influencing candidates and elections, a broken-by-design 2 party system that removes ideological diversity from the pool of candidates, an antequated Electoral College system that causes some votes to count more than others, an (intentionally) uneducated, ignorant, and/apathetic voting public that often doesn't even know what they're actually voting for, or all too often vote single issue at the cost of everything else, etc. I could keep going.

But at the end of the day, if we're going to play the blame game, the citizens of the United States still hold most of the blame. We have the power to change things, but we just don't.

Too many of us either don't pay attention, don't care, think someone else will solve these problems for us, or blindly believe what the media or social media tells them without following up to verify any of what they hear. Not to say many people don't try to make a difference, but not nearly enough to actually affect change.