r/Pessimism • • Sep 11 '25

Discussion The more ethical a person becomes, the less they enjoy life.

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The moment one begins to think about ethics is the moment one’s pleasure diminishes.

The moment you realize that you are not eating a tasty pork fillet but the flesh of a slaughtered pig with whom you share 98% of your DNA, your enjoyment begins to fade.

The moment you realize that you are not watching a kinky adult video but the filmed rape of a drug-addicted woman who was sexually abused as a child and who now pretends to enjoy being humiliated in front of a camera, your enjoyment begins to fade.

The moment you realize that you do not truly love your children but rather enjoy controlling them, giving orders, and molding them in your own image because you are terrified of your own mortality, your enjoyment begins to fade.

The more ethical a person becomes, the less they enjoy life.

r/Pessimism • • Jul 05 '26

Discussion Sisyphus isn’t happy

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Any and all points at trying to rationalize his waking hellscape have been thwarted, as any answer he receives, he also eventually rejects, as his infinite mind must continue thinking. There really is no point in what he is doing. He only does it because he cannot refuse. It really is all futile, for the rock will never reach the top. His task will forever remain unaccomplished, and the only companion he will ever have is the agony of his own soul. He can scream at the universe, but it will not respond. It is truly bleak, but if that’s the answer, then what of it? One can only wish to not be. An unfortunate reality. Absurdism is just an attempt at coping with being that fails. Thoughts?

r/Pessimism • • 11d ago

Discussion I think Mainlander was right

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I was a happy kid with an extremely privileged childhood. Educated, going to uni next year, upper middle class Australia. I’ve even been around Japan SE Asia and New Zealand now. But since I’ve been an adult and my teenage years have been left behind, I’ve become progressively bitter, exhausted, depressed and angry at reality itself. Staying alive is a lot of work, and for whatever reason we are born with desires that can never be satisfied with any finality. All is vanity and chasing the wind. Even when needs are met, the result is merely temporary boredom before a reversion back to chasing the wind. Chasing the wind. Boredom. Chasing the wind. Failure. Pain. Death. All life ends in death, happiness only gives way to more chasing, as does sadness. I think Mainlander was right to reject reality

r/Pessimism • • Sep 10 '26

Discussion Being born in a third world country means you've already failed in life and should just give up

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If you're born in a third world country, you'll never be able to match the living standards of those living in the US/Europe. Even if you study and work hard and get to move in to a foreign country, you would still have to face racism there. You'll never belong anywhere no matter what you do.

r/Pessimism • • 19d ago

Discussion If there was a big red button which pushing meant erasing humanity, would you push it?

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I tried to post this in r/antinatalism but it got removed funnily enough. Figured here was the next best place to ask.

No suffering no pain no loss of loved ones or anything like that. But a button that meant whatever evolutionary mistake caused us to divert from apes and start suffering due to our degree of consciousness and destroy the world like no other life form would think of doing simply never happened. I know personally I wouldn’t hesitate, at least in theory, but there are many different forms of antinatalism many people have so I’m wondering how this group feels about it. My form of antinatalism or pessimism is rooted in our degree of self-awareness and capacity for delusion which has led to a ridiculous amount of suffering that in my perspective far outweighs any kind of pleasure as a net whole. I know this isn’t the case for everyone here, again, just curious.

r/Pessimism • • Sep 16 '26

Discussion Christianity is a pessimistic world view

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Whenever I talk to Christians, all I hear is the most intense, negative perspectives on life outside of Christ. Literally they’ll be like, “Without X, you’re just useless worthless sacks of meat with absolutely no value. You won’t be remembered everyone that’s passed is just dirt and bones! Luckily I got something to sell you to oppose that…”

It just comes off really pessimistic and once you notice it you can’t miss it in Christian circles

r/Pessimism • • Sep 08 '25

Discussion Controversial take: absurdism is cancer for society, immature cheap worldview for young masses

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Already borderline cliché term in online circles, young adults and "wannabe wise" folks, absurdism is what "live, laugh, love" is for millenials.

If there is a discussion which even slightly touches existential themes, mental problems or overall human condition, there are people just waiting to mention Camus and the famous "I'm absurdist" nonsense claim, empty in itself.

Absurdism is simply a non-term. It doesn't mean anything, even by definition.

As human nature never fails to find an easier, conformistic way to justify shallowness, passivity, egoism, hedonism and moral irresponsibility, absurdism has become exactly that - a fancy way to say idgaf. A fancy way to say "I am incapable of thinking but I wanna sound like I'm not".

People use absurdism to escape responsibility to be empathetic, ascetic and helpful, to actually make world less painful. It became intellectual tool for pushing hedonism upon everyone and claiming that one has right to parasite, take advantage of or even damage society in a broad sense in form of fast fashion, consumerism, gluttony, non-empathy, moral decadence and passivity.

Absurdists are (mostly) surfing on other people's sacrifise or their own ignorance of how world works.

Their worldview collapses as soon as the severe suffering or need for sacrifise enters equation. It is the product of extreme spoiledness, excess of everything and passivity, just like cancer.

Awareness of the life's misery, inability to find meaning and existential dread doesn't have to result in absurdism, it can result in something much better.

r/Pessimism • • Nov 27 '25

Discussion I think Socialism never works because its a perfect solution for an imperfect world...

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I always kept wondering why can't more people be equal and end the tyrannical private ownership of capitalism, so I was attracted to socialism. But through time, I understood it or any of its derived political model does not work. Its not that other political theories work either, but socialism fails harder.

Later I realized, the problem isn't in socialism but is of a perfect solution for a world which is supposed to be imperfect. The problem isn't with wealth or ownership, but the very instinct of human being. Human beings by default are competitive and want to express themselves through wealth, money, power or any other things like their own talent or intelligence. To be man is to be expressive and rising on top of the pyramid he perceives.

Also, all the men who are in power are subject to the very basic human desires - hunger, sex, comfort, power etc, whom we trust to execute any political ideology. For instance, a married man in power is most likely going to put his family before others, securing place for his loved ones. The ideal "philosopher-king" of Plato is unlikely to exist who puts wisdom above everything else. Would you find any man like that at all?

The world is supposed to be imperfect not perfect.

r/Pessimism • • 26d ago

Discussion Any fellow Indian pessimists out here? Say hi! 👋

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Just want to know if i am the only one in India constantly questioning life, existence, and humanity.

r/Pessimism • • Oct 02 '25

Discussion I am grateful I questioned religion enough to leave it

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I observe others as they live with their religions. Living in a lie that they hold on to because they know nothing more. I pity myself until I see the behavior of modern religious people. Ive grown up around them, so I see through them, I see how much they doubt their own life. They cherry pick verses, they choose which rules to abide by, and they have nothing to say when their beliefs are confronted. Such a position must make one feel enslaved.

A fate worse than nihilistic suffering, delusional hope. I am grateful to be born with a mind that so easily avoids it. My life, filled with misery and insecurity, is free. I have accepted every molecule of it. I have accepted the determinism, the brutality, the inequality, and the hopelessness. A religious person cannot do the same, I truly pity them. I get through my days, I understand how meaningless it all is. I avoid meaningless interactions and thoughts of suicide, not because I have nothing to run from, but because I have nowhere to go. A religious person has hope, they are forced to. Hope, a betraying poison that is rather addictive. How painful it must be to be forced to hold on to it.

Many will claim, both on my side and theirs, that religion is the comfort, and that truth is a cold concrete slab. I must disagree, because both are cold concrete slabs. The difference lies here: we all live in a giant prison, where the religious are unable to stop telling themselves they will be free tomorrow, faced with an everlasting dissapointment, while the realists have given up waiting for their freedom, free from the immense suffering of a crushed hope which consistently revives itself.

r/Pessimism • • Feb 18 '26

Discussion Human connection can only bring misery. Peace can only be achieved by isolation

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Human relationships only bring misery and disturbs a person's inner peace. Humans are selfish creatures that hurt each other while trying to serve their self. The only thing we can do is harm each other. So if someone wants to have inner peace the best thing they can do is avoid forming relationships and find peace within themselves. On the other hand you could say that humans require connection to be fulfilled making the search for peace and happiness impossible. A person can't get happy/fulfilled on their own but other humans will only bring them misery. This makes happiness or peace impossible to have. Even though I personally believe that the happiest you can be is on your own, a lot of philosophers and social scientists/ phycologists argue that humans are by their nature social creatures and needing a community. This makes humans impossible to.please and probably doomed to misery.

r/Pessimism • • 17d ago

Discussion Even Thomas Ligotti conflates philosophical pessimism with nihilism

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As much as I admire Thomas Ligotti as a writer, I just can't get onboard with the notion that someone's commitment to philosophical pessimism is ultimately reducible to one's temperament. Ligotti sort of wavers between philosophical pessimism and nihilism. The two are most emphatically not the same. One is grounded in moral convictions motivated by honesty and actual experience, while the other is grounded in some nebulous academic position.

"Along with every other tendentious mindset, pessimism may be construed as a fluke of temperament, a shifty word that will just have to do until a better one comes along. Without the temperament that was given to them in large portion, pessimists would not see existence as basically undesirable. Optimists may have fugitive doubts about the basic desirability of existence, but pessimists never doubt that existence is basically undesirable. If you interrupted them in the middle of an ecstatic moment, which pessimists do have, and asked if existence is basically undesirable, they would reply “Of course” before returning to their ecstasy. Why they should answer in this way is a closed book. The conclusions to which temperament lead an individual, whether or not they are conclusions refractory to those of world society, are simply not subject to analysis."

  • The Conspiracy against the Human Race

r/Pessimism • • Jul 03 '26

Discussion A country like India really breaks your spirits.

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This country has a colonial legacy. The culture is deeply absorbed with oppressor and oppressed sections. The moment you enter a government office, it will "show you your place". You can be easily snapped at, insulted, disrespected. Respect is the monopoly of a certain few.

People identify with their jobs, Oh I mean some people identify with their jobs. The kind of jobs that were inherited from British era. Those who enter the jobs are 100% convinced of their merit, past life merit, entitlements, superiority over others. There's a theater going on. Everybody knows their place in the theater. The moment you meet a government officer, you will unconsciously enter into a submissive, pleasing, back breaking role. It's like hypnosis or trance state. You're no longer you. The officers rejoice in this treatment. They expect you to behave a certain way.

Children are trained from a young age to think in ranks, titles, power, aura. Black sheeps are shunned and not tolerated. You've got to be very mentally tough to survive a system that strips you naked psychologically every single day. The mass men cheer for the very system that looks down upon them. How odd! All empty talks, people know the language of authenticity, they talk the talk but don't walk it.

I don't know if this country will ever heal. It's a deeply traumatized culture. The trauma is passed down to the next generations. Nothing ever changes. Modern Indian, 19th century mindset. It can only change when those in parliament and offices want to change it, but they do not want transformations. They want to preserve the status quo for a century and more because the system benefits them immensely. They're self convinced Gods. The prime minister jokingly (or seriously) said that he is non-biological. It's a symptom of a country where winners believe that they have some incredible past life merits.

r/Pessimism • • 28d ago

Discussion What is happening to this subreddit?

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I remember joining half a decade ago here and all there ever was were discussions about the nuances of the philosophical pessimism and the suffering but in a more detailed and knowledge-full way. Right now half the posts are just complaints which, don’t get me wrong, is an ok thing to do but I miss those old posts with in-depth texts on Schopenhauer/Zappfe/Cioran/mainlander/etc. I remember seeing lots of quotes from those authors as well… I felt serenity coming to this sub reading a mix of some really sophisticated thoughts AND complaining, right now it’s JUST complaining. maybe it’s just me, i don’t know

r/Pessimism • • Jul 05 '26

Discussion Pessimism and optimism discussion

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Hello everyone. I recently came across a video by a blogger who says that people who are constantly fixated on pessimism live shorter lives because they have elevated cortisol levels, while optimists live longer because they're happy and fixated on the positive. Although it may seem strange, why don't optimists make the world a better place? If there are more optimists, then why are there wars, violence, and other disasters in the world? After all, a pessimist sees all these problems, and that doesn't mean they'll live shorter lives because of stress.

r/Pessimism • • 18d ago

Discussion This reality is truly worse than hell

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Is it just me or is there a strange comfort in absolute certainty. Yeah, the idea of hell may seem horrific but at least you know exactly what your fate is and how things will play out.

We on the other hand are stranded on the verge of anticipation. Waiting for something that we have no control over. Does that not cause the most psychological suffering out of all things?

And the worst part of it all, we are given small fragments of hope. Hope that is just enough to keep us waiting but never enough for us to feel safe.

Picture this, isn't a person be more fearful when anticipating going to say prison rather than when they are already there. Is one not terrified at the possibility of a developing a medical condition rather than when they actually have it and when they can face it with certainty?

I truly believe that if the concept of "hell" is a possibility. Then we are already in it.

Also I am sorry if I could not articulate this well but its something that has been on my mind for quite some time now.

r/Pessimism • • Nov 24 '25

Discussion Why isn't death the solution?

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If life=suffering than why isn't death the solution to end it? Isnt that the only way of escaping the will?

r/Pessimism • • Aug 02 '25

Discussion Pessimism is the only philosophy that actually holds up once you understand how human existence functions

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I don’t mean pessimism in the "everything sucks, woe is me" sense. I mean actual philosophical pessimism where the position that human existence, when you look at it without all the sugarcoating, is inherently problematic and futile.

Most people go through life buying into systems they didn’t choose like religion, politics, capitalism, even science or progress narratives. But once you take a step back and really examine how these systems work, it becomes clear they’re mostly just coping structures. They're not built to solve the underlying problem of existence, they’re built to keep people busy and functioning.

Consciousness isn’t some gift. It’s a byproduct of evolution that lets us model the world better, sure, but it also makes us hyper-aware of death, isolation, and futility. No other species walks around thinking about the meaning of life. We do and we break under the weight of it all the time.

Civilization takes that flaw and multiplies it. Everything we call culture is basically layered on top of a biological need to survive and reproduce. We’ve just dressed it up with goals, rituals, hierarchies, and ideologies to make it seem like there's more going on than there actually is. But under it all, it’s still the same mechanism: keep the machine running, avoid the void, and pass it off as progress.

Even the big intellectual projects such as Marxism, liberalism, structuralism, religion, and other whatever ideals, they all end up being new ways to stabilize the system, not dismantle it. A lot of people who think they’ve “woken up” are really just trying to climb the hierarchy in a different way. They don’t want to kill the script, they want to rewrite it with themselves in charge.

Philosophical pessimism doesn’t play that game. It doesn’t promise a better world or an escape route. It just points out that the structure itself is flawed, that the suffering is baked in, and that every solution so far has been a rebranding of the same societal dysfunction.

r/Pessimism • • 11d ago

Discussion The universe doesn't care about your "purpose."

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Everyone is running around trying to find their "purpose." They want to know why they were born, what they're meant to do, and what their legacy will be. But the universe doesn't have a plan for you. There is no cosmic destiny waiting for you to fulfill.

We are just conscious beings on a floating rock, trying to make sense of a meaningless existence. The sooner you accept that there is no purpose, the freer you become. You stop chasing a script that was never written and start living your life on your own terms. There is no grand design. There is only the absurdity of existence, and the peace of accepting it.

r/Pessimism • • 9d ago

Discussion My (short) Manifesto

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Hello, everyone.

I wanted to see what everyone thought in this and where I stand in terms of what I believe.

  1. I believe to bring someone into this world is morally wrong because

  2. Suffering is the primary driving force in life. It cannot be decoupled from existing, and while happiness and beauty DO exist, they are not enough to justify life.

  3. That ALL existing life should end, all of it, because I do not believe it to be a good existence.

  4. I do not believe in a soul or a god, once you are gone there is nothing to experience because you are no longer.

The only reason I still exist upon this rock is to share my philosophy and wonder how many think the way I do, and would like to have a thoughtful discussion on the matter.

r/Pessimism • • Apr 24 '26

Discussion Why Pessimism Is Not Pessimistic Enough

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After reading the post "Are we in hell? Gradients vs. Black/White framing" I felt the need to add something — or rather, to describe my own view of the same question.

Free will does not exist — in any picture of the universe

This is the first and most important point. Free will exists neither in a deterministic nor in an indeterministic universe.

In a deterministic one, our decisions are fully conditioned by causal chains stretching back millions of years: genes, environment, prior brain states.

In an indeterministic one, quantum fluctuations add randomness, but randomness is not freedom. Unpredictability is not the same as autonomous choice.

From this follows a deeply uncomfortable conclusion: everyone who has ever been punished has been sentenced unjustly. Their guilt is an illusion. But their suffering is real. Our legal systems, built on ideas of retribution and personal responsibility, rest on a metaphysical foundation that does not exist.

Evolution gave us not truth, but comfort

It is often said that humans evolved to create a clear picture of the world. I would put it differently: we evolved — like any other organism — to survive and reproduce. Everything else is secondary.

To this end, nature equipped us not only with an animal fear of death, but with a set of comforting illusions. The idea that life has meaning. That suffering pays off. That everything will be "repaid." These thoughts have nothing to do with truth. They exist solely to prevent us from going mad from the horror of existence and to keep us fighting for life as if it were something valuable.

Pessimism is not another story for comfort. It is an attempt to see reality without these built-in filters. And what is revealed turns out to be far worse than any comforting story.

Some suffer far more than others

The intensity of subjective experience is catastrophically uneven.

For some, existence is a neutral background with rare spikes of discomfort. For others, it is a literal hell — not metaphorically, but concretely. There are people for whom every day is pain. There are illnesses where the slightest touch causes agony. There are mental states in which consciousness becomes its own executioner.

When people try to judge pessimism from the outside, they usually project their own relatively comfortable experience. They do not imagine what it is like to die of end-stage cancer, or to live with cluster headaches, or to be locked inside a fully paralysed body with full consciousness intact. Pessimism is not about mood. It is about soberly assessing the full spectrum of possible experience.

The intensity of suffering can be monstrous — and will become worse

Nature already permits levels of pain that exceed any possible pleasure by orders of magnitude. But soon synthetic forms of suffering will be added to this.

Even today, technologies exist that can radically distort time perception. One real hour can be stretched into subjective decades of uninterrupted agony. Or consciousness can be trapped in a temporal loop, where the same moment of pain repeats endlessly, with no possibility of exit, madness, or loss of consciousness.

This is not fiction. It is nearly reality. And our international conventions still prohibit only physical torture, completely ignoring chronoceptive violence.

Hidden suffering all around us

We are locked inside our own phenomenology. We have no direct access to another being's subjective experience. We use a plausibility principle: if a being is structurally similar to me, then it probably can suffer too.

But this principle has not always been applied. Relatively recently, it was believed that infants could not feel pain — and they were operated on without anaesthesia. Today this sounds monstrous. But what are we failing to see right now?

We admire the beauty of an autumn forest. But beneath our feet — a silent scream. Life dying from the cold. And this scream comes not only from insects and other animals. Few people know how similar the architecture of living things is at the molecular level: plants use neurotransmitters nearly identical to those found in humans — glutamate, GABA, serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine. Fungal networks generate electrical impulses resembling neural activity. Anaesthetics work on plants the same way they work on animals.

We have no grounds to claim that all of this "feels nothing." Our confidence is nothing but anthropocentric arrogance.

Cosmic hell: the mathematical approach

If an infinite multiverse exists, realising all logically possible combinations of laws and initial conditions, then among this infinite variety there must be worlds that we can confidently call hell.

Not as metaphor. As an objective state of matter.

Moreover, even within our own universe, suffering may not be an accidental deviation but a systemic property of sufficiently complex forms of material organisation. If consciousness is a lawful structural epiphenomenon of resistance to entropy, then pain may be built into the very architecture of reality.

Death may not be an exit

This is perhaps the hardest conclusion.

The pessimists of the past — Schopenhauer, Mainländer, von Hartmann — at least believed there was a way out of this nightmare. Nirvana. Collective self-extinction. The cessation of the will. Death as final non-being.

But modern physics leaves no room for non-being. Even in "empty" cosmic space, the quantum vacuum seethes — a sea of virtual particles constantly arising and vanishing. Emptiness in the strict sense is impossible. "Nothing" turns out to be a physically incoherent concept.

If the multiverse is infinite, the probability of the recurrence of any configuration of matter — including the one that generates your subjective experience — approaches unity. You disperse into atoms today. But somewhere, sometime, a similar configuration will come together again. For you, there will be no billions of years between destruction and renewed awakening. There will be only the uninterrupted "now."

Subjective death is impossible.

The final refuge of the pessimists of the past — faith in ultimate non-being — turns out to be a fiction. Death, which we revered as a liberator, is merely a temporary interruption in an endless chain of tormenting awakenings.

Black or White

Evolution — which is essentially the maintenance of homeostasis in a complex structure against the pressure of entropy — appears to operate according to the same logic everywhere. And that logic is built on a fundamental asymmetry: suffering is primary. It is suffering, not pleasure, that plays the central role in the evolutionary mechanism. Pain is the whip that drives the organism forward. Pleasure is only the temporary relief of tension, a brief pause before the next turn of the screw.

Black can exist without white, but white cannot exist without black.

I explore each of these theses in detail in a book I recently finished. It is called Perpetual Sorrow and is available for free at fracture-of-being.com.

I welcome any questions, objections, or criticism.

r/Pessimism • • Jul 15 '26

Discussion Don't See The Point Of Doing Anything

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"You will live in misery and die in misery, there's no escape." -UG Krishnamurti

I don't see the point of doing anything if it's just pointless misery. Last night, when I got out of the shower, I told myself, "that was fun! I love head wankin' it." But today, I thought, "if I'm honest with myself, that wasn't fun. It was mostly daydreaming about being bullied." Now I'm wondering, then what's the point of taking a shower every single day if it's just gonna make me miserable?

What's the point of eating tasty food if you're not in the moment, you're having a fake fight with that narcissistic sibling? What's the point of going to the beach if you sit on your beach chair and you're zen-like for two minutes before your monkey mind starts up with its bullshit?

Part of me feels like I should have just gone to Harvard Law and been rich and miserable. At least I'd have money. But I realize I wouldn't be aware of the reality if I hadn't studied pessimists like Martin Butler and Arthur Schopenhauer. I'd be in even more pain, because I'd be pursuing permanent happiness like psyop Jordan Peterson says to do. "Trying to be happy will make you miserable. Being okay with misery will make you happy. There's nothing more pathetic that trying to be happy. Sure you'll be happy for a few minutes when you drive that super duper auto out of the yard that'll take 5 years to pay off." -Butler. He was the CEO of the largest IT Analytics firm in all of Western Europe. Says he was never more miserable and can barely summon the courage to look back on those years.

Butler says everyone's life is a pile of trash. But there's that tiny square in the corner, that 1% of your day that's good. He said most people don't even have that, because they're not self interested enough to look for it. The 1% includes sensing your left arm for 1 minute, focusing on the air in your nostrils for 5 breaths, etc. For me, it's first person thoughts about life, the universe, human nature, light topics, etc.

With that said, I don't even feel like going for walks for my health anymore, because I don't see the point if it's just gonna majority suck.

What are your thoughts? What motivates you to bootstrap it?

r/Pessimism • • 25d ago

Discussion Does anyone here practice asceticism?

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Schopenhauer is probably the great advocate of asceticism within the tradition of philosophical pessimism since, for him, liberation from suffering necessarily passes through the denial of the Will, seeing the ending of one’s own life as a false way out for someone who loves life but wishes to escape suffering.

I know there are religious pessimists, especially Christians and Buddhists, and that traditions such as these have developed fairly sophisticated forms of ascetic practice, but I’m curious, however, to know whether anyone here follows some form of secular asceticism. I’m not simply thinking of “minimalism” or living with less, but of a conscious renunciation of the world, with voluntary poverty, celibacy/chastity, mortification of the flesh, quietism, profound resignation, etc.

It seems extremely difficult to sustain something like this without a religious framework to serve as an anchor — without ending up with a noose around your neck in the process. Schopenhauer himself, although he theorized about the subject, did not practice it in his daily life, regarding asceticism as the pinnacle reserved only for an aristocracy of “heroic individuals.” For the overwhelming majority, what remains is distraction (clinging to work, relationships, entertainment, or addictions) simply to endure existence without collapsing.

Has anyone here ever tried or had practical experience with some form of secular denial of the Will? How do you deal with its abyss in everyday life?

r/Pessimism • • Oct 16 '25

Discussion What are your views on death?

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I know that some pessimists have a negative view on both life and death, but my personal views on death are that it cannot be a bad thing, and I have this view specifically because of my pessimism. I will explain.

When we are alive, we are exposed to potential for both positive and negative happenstances that may occur to us. But in death, neither are present. Thus, I think death can either be positive (when we've lived a life with more pain than happiness) or neutral (when we have had a good life), but not negative, since we don't lose anything by death which we had before being born.

You came from nothing, you go back to nothing. What did you lose? Nothing.

-Monty Python

If suffering is intrinsically to life and death is the end of life, then I honestly don't see how death could be bad.

However, I have to note that this only applies to a scenario where there's no afterlife, which is something we cannot prove or disprove. So, maybe some pessimists are still pessimistic about death, for they believe it may not be the end of our sufferings.

Also, all of the the above is strictly about death as a state of not being alive, it's not about the process of dying, the awareness of death, or the grieving of the death of others.

Do you have similar views, or opposite ones?

r/Pessimism • • Sep 02 '26

Discussion At what point do we recognise that philosophy has become a linguistic word play?

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I saw a post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Pessimism/s/D1ykAtPFfM) and it occurred to me to inquire if—how do I put it... perhaps there are those on this sub or in philosophy in general who have the same intuition that i do or I'm simply alone.

It seems to me that philosophy becomes mere word play at the precise moment we take words meant for ordinary experience and apply them where no experience is possible.

When we stay within the world we can see and touch, our words have work to do. But when we push words beyond that boundary, our grammar continues to make sentences even though our thoughts have lost all footing.

And that post demonstrates this in four main ways:

  1. OOP speaks of a "perpetual void" that "outlasts time", "consumes everything", and "allows this to happen". This is almost or very much indistinguishable from poetry because i think we can notice what has happened to language here.

The word void simply means the complete absence of anything. It is zero. Yet the OOP speaks of it as though it were a vast container, or even a living being with intentions, patience, and decisions. To ask why the void "allows" anything to happen is to ask what colour the number seven chooses to wear.

It sounds like a serious question because the sentence is grammatically correct, but the noun does not point to a thing that can act.

  1. OOP aks what happened "before" existence, and claims the void "outlasts time".

Time, tho, is simply the order in which we experience events happening one after another.

If there are no things and no events, there is no time passing. To speak of a moment "before" existence began, or to speak of something "outlasting" time, is to use the clock to measure a state where no clock can exist. The word "before" can only makes sense when there is already an earlier event to point to.

  1. OOP asks:

What is the reason for having emerged?

A reason belongs only to a thinking being that forms an intention.

A person has a reason for building a house or writing a letter. Physical events, tho, do not have reasons; they have causes.

When rain falls, it does not do so for a reason; it falls because of physical conditions in the air. To ask for the "reason" why matter exists is to assume there must be an intention behind nature, whilst at the same time claiming nature is empty and cold.

  1. OOP also suggests that existence might be an "ontological error".

An error can happen only if there is a correct goal that someone failed to achieve. A clerk makes an error in a ledger, or a child makes an error in spelling, because there is a standard rule to follow. But nature has no goal it was trying to reach, and no master plan it was supposed to obey. Without a rule, there can be no mistake.

This is the exact line where philosophy stops being a search for truth and becomes a verbal illusion.

Our mind possesses useful tools for making sense of the world: cause, effect, time, and purpose. Used properly, they help us understand the things we observe. But when we point these tools at absolute nothingness, or at the universe as a single whole, the gears spin freely in the air. The words sound deep and tragic, but we're merely shifting ideas in our heads.