Typical British attitude. Just because you view them as tiny and worthless doesn't mean the rest of us do. And then you wonder why they want to leave you. You're like the abusive partner "Yeah, leave. See if I care. No-one else will have you!"
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have a net deficit (meaning they spend more than they take in taxes) consistently and are basically funded by the east and south east of England. They also spend about between 110% and 125% per capita on their populations in public services.
Independance is going to bring enormous financial burdens to Dublin, Edinburgh and Cardiff and those independance parties cannot hide that fact so they avoid it at all cost.
Any notion that England would be a benevolent former partner is wishful thinking, everything will be paid for by the new countries, pensions, benefits, nhs, everything.
Not to mention that Ireland has no military to speak off and England will withdraw all military bases from those countries including rather profitable defence contracts.
Wales and Scotland will almost certainly have no currency and will not be invited into the EU as net takers.
No NATO coverage and no trade as they will have no currency.
Wishful thinking to win votes from a naive public
Except its not "fine then" we would all be much worse off and have less influence in the world. If we really must have independance parties with a one policy attitude then let's at least be honest with the electorate - Westminster will never allow this to happen, you can have all the votes and parades and marches you like but you would be bankrupt and unable to fund your hospitals, police, fire and councils there will not be the EU riding to the rescue to pick up the bills for the next 20 years and people will lose out whichever side of the border your on so....let's just not bow to Moscow's will shall we?
Ironically Moscow wants to keep the UK united. Why would Moscow want a United Ireland, for example? Why would it want a strong independent independent Scotland back in the EU?
Moscow wants the break up of the UK, as do their friends in Iran. As neatly evidenced by a massive chunk of the āScottishā nationalist accounts on social media going dead when Iranās internet went down.
Removing one of only two major European powers to present a genuine threat to your ability to project power makes absolute sense for Moscow.
Is this a joke? Seriously, Scotland isnāt going to be a strong independent country. Itās going to be a struggling country trying to get it economy back on track
Good for you sadly that just means you donāt care about reality so good luck trying to make decisions when refuse to see whatās in front of you letās see how that ends
I'm afraid Moscow wants anything that weakens what it sees as its enemies (even if they are really not interested in being an enemy) and that includes dissolving the union. A united Ireland is no threat to it as it has no military to speak of. Scotland would be devastated by independance without a currency and decades away from being eligible to join the EU let alone being allowed to join, being out of NATO means the north Atlantic is also weaker. The union means all countries are stronger together.
Yeh, stuff England and your supposed charity. All you got is āyouād be worse offā. We donāt want England and your supposed funding is a systemic lie and oversimplification. You are desperate for this union as you reap the rewards from it.
You keep banging on about charity and how i should keep it like a stuck bot in a loop. I'm not offering any nor am I saying those countries need any whay i am saying is that practically independance will be a financial and social disaster and nationalists have no argument other than descending to name caling and straw man arguments.
No Scottish, keep your dismissive as your government. After 2016, I will never vote for a unionist party again and Iāll do that at the ball box mate.
Im not being dismissive im being realistic, ok you tell me where the money is going to come from. It take 10 years minimum to join the EU and thats if they want you...which they won't because you bring nothing to the table, scotland is a tiny country with low GDP it is entirely dependant on the rest of the union.
You tell me how this all works out instead of throwing insults around and trying to strawman me.
We will have full control over our entire economy and be able to create and pay off debt. Thatās something we canāt do within the UK. Like every other country on the Earth.
Where is England gonna source everything? It gets off of us? Itās still going to source it from us. Including all that lovely lovely oil it took for granted when we open up the oilfield on the west coast of Scotland which is about to happen.
Iām not here to justify my independence to you. Youāre not Scott Scottish. So regardless what you say, Iām still voting yes when the referendum comes.
The very fact that your country wants to continue the charity to stay in power over other peoples says a lot more about you. Enjoy your student loans from benevolent Westminster who deeply deeply cares about you.
I'm Scottish living in England, please don't deport me. I love the Union and very sad to see our brothers behave like this.
I doubt it will ever happen though, so I think the chat is metaphorical. The blame Westminster 'get out clause' is about all they have to cover for thier own inability to govern.
If only these parties would focus on the declining living standards of thier people rather than some vanity project.
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u/ManuelTzetzes Sep 14 '26
Typical British attitude. Just because you view them as tiny and worthless doesn't mean the rest of us do. And then you wonder why they want to leave you. You're like the abusive partner "Yeah, leave. See if I care. No-one else will have you!"