Shots fired in Alaska

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[u/10gherts]

That should have disqualified the entire GOP. Like what the actual fuck, no facts?? They're in their own world man

[u/PreviousCurrentThing → u/10gherts]

Why? Those were the rules Vance and Walz had agreed to and what CBS said they would do:

CBS said the moderators — Norah O’Donnell, the anchor of “CBS Evening News,” and Margaret Brennan, who hosts “Face the Nation” — would primarily focus on encouraging exchanges between the candidates and enforcing the ground rules, rather than fact-checking.

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“The goal of the debate is to facilitate a good debate between the candidates, and the moderators will give them the opportunity to fact-check each other in real time,” Ms. Milne said. CBS said it would remind viewers that the network’s approach to a debate was distinct from a one-on-one interview with a candidate, as on “Face the Nation.”

Brennan arguably broke those ground rules when she interjected to "clarify for [their] viewers" that many Haitians in Springfield had legal status. She did this after Walz had already responded to Vance (candidates were supposed to fact check each other, Walz had the opportunity), and then didn't give Vance a chance to respond.

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Wait, is there a list of ground rules that said no fact checking? I think I need to see the moderators say they would not fact check under any circumstance before I buy that load of goods.

I seem to remember “perfect phone calls” from Trump and explanations that unless someone says quid pro quo, it isn’t a quid pro quo arrangement.

[u/PreviousCurrentThing → u/partofthevoid]

I quoted you New York Times summarizing CBS as saying:

moderators ... would primarily focus on encouraging exchanges between the candidates and enforcing the ground rules, rather than fact-checking.

I don't think an official list of rules was ever made public, but no one disputed this reporting. "under any circumstance" was probably not included, but it's hard for me to see why Brennan thought it was necessary after Walz had already had a chance to reply.

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Well, sometimes as a moderator you have to make some calls. And let’s be clear what’s going on here: some republicans who have bent, broken, fought, and ignored rules and norms every step of the way are complaining that some unwritten and/or unpublished, but definitively unofficial rules aren’t being followed?  This guy, (couchfucker Vance)that complained about being fact checked, handwaved away being called out for a racist lie about Haitian immigrants eating peoples pets in America! Just”I think it’s a good story,” or some bullshit. No apology or admission of wrongdoing or correcting the record. He needs to be factchecked.