r/PoursTea • venom • 1d ago

Murdered By Words 🩸 The switchup is insane

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u/Matthewlang1994 12h ago

Considering there are millions of illegal immigrants in the USA and that's what people are complaining about. It is the same thing? What are you talking about?

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u/tubadude123 11h ago

Why not consider that those immigrants pay taxes, don’t get any benefit from said taxes, and when they’re deported, so is that line of tax revenue for the country. Also these people not being in our communities means they can’t spend money at our local businesses. Then there’s the fact that farming and home construction both rely heavily on being able to pay their workers less than legal citizens, which means deporting those people will make the cost of our food and houses go up. People living together in a community is not the problem driving unaffordability. That might be better witnessed from corporations constantly hoarding money, not paying taxes, lobbying to not change minimum wage for 18 years, getting billionaire chumps like Trump elected so they can do quid pro quos and ballroom deals (typed backroom, but ballroom auto correct was too good).

You sound like an uneducated child arguing that a poor Mexican or Venezuelan migrant had any chance of making my life more expensive.

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u/Matthewlang1994 11h ago

So your argument is if I pay taxes and accept slavery like wages I'm free to move where ever I want?

I never once mentioned Mexico or Venezuela.. really weird and racist of you to say.

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u/tubadude123 11h ago

What the hell are you on, I am arguing the opposite. The wages are slave like because the CORPORATIONS make it that way, not the immigrants. Corporations are the ones making life unlivable due to expenses.

Weird to call me racist for bringing up the people who are the ones doing the immigrating to the U.S. and you’re the one who wants to deport them, not me.

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u/Matthewlang1994 11h ago

Okay and I'm saying you're justifying allowing them to stay because they pay taxes and work for less than favorable conditions meaning it benefits large corporations and the government?

So in that argument you feel it would be okay for me to illegally move to whatever country I want, as long as I do those two things?

It is extremely racist to call illegal immigrants Mexican and Venezuelan...? I know illegal immigrants from all over the world. I'm confused on what makes you think it's only those two that are here illegally?

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u/tubadude123 11h ago

So disingenuous, I picked a couple countries as examples and you’re completely twisting it. Kind of hilarious you’re painting me as racist for this honestly. I couldn’t care less what color someone’s skin is. I would love for all people to be paid fairly for their work but that would require massive corporations to act for the greater good, to pay their employees, and sacrifice raw profits quarter on quarter. Not going to happen by choice. So they’ve spent the last 40-50 years rigging the system so they don’t have to pay a fair share of taxes and can sit on their mountains of wealth with impunity.

If you want to fix affordability, deportation is not the way. Getting big money out of our politics and taxing the corporations and the billionaires fairly is.

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u/Matthewlang1994 11h ago

It's just weird to mention two specific groups of people.. also billionaires and corps pay like 70% of all taxes so weird to support it when immigrants pay very few taxes but get angry about it when billionaires pay basically all the taxes.

I agree that would help affordability, but not allowing illegal immigrants shouldn't depend on affordability.. if hundreds thousands of rich Americans moved to Mexico it'd probably help stimulate the economy. It doesn't mean it's an overall benefit..

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u/tubadude123 11h ago

False figure. Individual income tax provides roughly 50% of all federal revenue. Your figure might be related to the fact that the top 10 % of individual income earners pay about 70% of all individual income taxes. And those make up 50% of the total.

I do agree with you that mass illegal immigration is obviously not what we want for our society. But the barriers to legal entry are significant, and many of these people are coming from extreme poverty, gang violence, etc. so I don’t fault them for making the best of their terrible situation.

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u/Matthewlang1994 10h ago

The barriers to legal entry are significant?? That's why we also allow the most legal immigrants in the world? Because it's difficult?

A country has a right to decide by who they bring into office. I'd love to see you guys cry this much when poorer countries deport people. When Mexico accidentally killed 180ish illegal immigrants a few years ago when deporting people from south America I wish you would have said something. When Thailand and Malaysia r deport people from Myanmar I wish you would have said something. They kill far more illegal immigrants per capita than America.