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American Dream šŗšø Prescience
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u/WhompBiscuits 5h ago
It wasn't politically smart to say that during her campaign IMO, I think even Bill allegedly said something to her about it, but she was nevertheless dead-nuts correct. Only thing I quibble with her over is the percentages.
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u/Alternative-Web-3545 4h ago
The things the other party uttered was far more disturbing and despicable imho. But that didnāt get really noticed for some stupid reason
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u/Ol_Turd_Fergy 4h ago
āBasket of deplorablesā is apparently worse than āgrab them by the p*ssyā
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 4h ago
and worse than "Killary" and "Lock Her Up" and mocking the notion of it being a woman's turn (after 2+ centuries of men leading the country), somehow.
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u/DiamondHandsToUranus 2h ago
It is, but mostly because they like their labels short and dumb.
'The solution to pollution is dilution!' is pushing it - woah down there smarty pants - even though it was coined by one of "their guys".
If it's not as simple and catchy like 'flip flop' or 'med bed' you're virtue signaling as "other".
That's not their team. That's 'not like us". They don't side with "other". Ever.
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u/SpockShotFirst 4h ago
Because tho only job of the oligarch controlled media is "Manufacturing Consent."Ā Ā
We need to reverse Bellotti (the 5-4 Supreme Court case from 1978 that led directly to Citizens United) and criminalize election interference by for-profit corporations (maybe with an exception for employee-journalist owned news outlets).
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u/bewitch1n 4h ago
The stupid reason being selfishness and probably also stupidity of people within that party. š«
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u/bewitch1n 5h ago
Idk if the pedophile party needs their hands held through their pedophilia that feels pretty silly to give into.
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u/npsimons 4h ago
So many of us found her relatable. For every 100 people that called her "elitist", there were at least a handful of us that watched her, the educated, sharp as a razor political operative, being stuck in the same hell we were, only broadcast on live TV.
And I'm not even a woman. It's only because of empathy that I have the barest inkling of this being the lived daily experience of pretty much every intelligent woman in the USA.
But then we have had this archetype since the tale of Cassandra.
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u/FFBEryoshi 4h ago
It can be painful to hear the truth, especially when the truth directly destroys someones self perception.
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u/Coneskater 4h ago edited 4h ago
The sentiment and the statement was correct and the issue was that no one ever listened to the whole quote:
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But the "other" basketĀ ā the other basketĀ ā and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas andĀ ā as well as, you know, New York and CaliforniaĀ ā but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but ā he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.ā3
u/Imaginary-List-972 2h ago
I never buy that reasoning. She was talking about Maga, Trump supporters. They're voting for Trump no matter what. "I'm a Maga Trump supporter, but I was going to vote for Hlllary until she said that". And she said that about the racist/sexist/homophobic section of Trump supporters. So "She said racism is bad, so I'm not voting for her". So you gotta act like you're for racism to get the racist vote and act like you are against racism to get the non racist vote. I always love that she said SOME trump supporters are racist and we call them deplorables, and they said "Hey she just called me deplorable". But again I don't buy "they were racist trump supporters but they would have voted for her until she said that about them". If so, why don't we now get "Trump called them Dumbocrats, they would have voted for his maga candidates until he called Dems dumb".
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u/WhompBiscuits 40m ago
Yep. Because if you were Maga then and heard what she said and immediately identified with the latter part of what she said, then you're guilty of it.
And it's not like she didn't know what she was talking about. Although she is originally from the Chicago area, she lived in Arkansas for a large portion of her adult life. She saw more than enough.
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u/AskPizza 5h ago
She knew because they had been turning their ire at her all her career, ever since she suggested universal single payer healthcare until Bill Clinton, which never got implemented.
But the far right lost their shit and invented lies about her ad infinitum ever since.
Because she wanted people to not die from treatable ailments nor go bankrupt, and all it would have cost was people like Elon musk a few fewer billions than he has, which are already too many billions to ever need.
She knew because they went after her before they went after the rest of us.
But she was never wrong about them. She was right to call them out, but not enough of us had her back on that.
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u/kobrakai1034 4h ago
She worked on Nixonās impeachment for Watergate so it goes waaaay back
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 2h ago
Funny, Bob Woodward, who helped uncover Watergate, tells about her backstabbing and undermining her own husband. She called him, "The Mechanic in Chief," to mock his supposed leadership weakness. And she did it to the media/press.
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u/USSMarauder 4h ago
over 30 years of the right saying that she'll be arrested for murder any day now
still nothing...
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u/Shoddy_Tour_7307 3h ago
What lies were invented?
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u/Kitchen-Bandicoot191 19m ago
The Benghazi crap for 1. Quietly, Republicans found her not responsible...after lying about her involvement nonstop for years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/28/house-benghazi-report-clinton-attack-military
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u/Select-Government-69 1h ago
She underestimated how many deplorable there are. We cannot wish them away. And if, for some reason, the deplorable made up 51% of society then the rest of us are mere trespassers in a world defined by the deplorable.
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u/PepperNormal 3h ago
She was right about everything that's why they vilified her so much, they feared her, so they had to destroy her.
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u/Mach5Driver 3h ago
They had her pre-demonized by the time she ran, so it was easy for them when the time came.
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u/Maleficent-Clue5056 26m ago
youre saying this like she isnt a real life villain. Trump was just more blantant about it
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u/successfullynumb 4h ago
Nest of Nazis, rack of rascists, flock of fascists
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u/BoulevardNoir10 4h ago
Let's be clear. Two million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than the monstrous rapist felon violent insurrectionist. She was right about everything. The national media was enthralled by the rapist felon. While Hillary Clinton was giving important campaign speeches in 2016, CNN was filming an empty stage of his campaign podium.
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u/No_Grand7184 4h ago
Hillary warned us and so many blew it off as the ravings of a āhormonal womanā. Now we have a dictator that is going through terminal āManopauseā
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u/chinmakes5 4h ago
10 years ago, people were appalled to hear they might be in a basket of deplorables. Today, their leader regularly says things like Dumocrats and they cheer.
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u/Odd-Neighborhood4214 4h ago
I have already voted and I voted BLUE and if there was a Republican running for a seat by himself I didnāt even vote for them and 2 of them I knew and I had told them that I was not voting for them
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u/SnooMacaroons4212 4h ago
Hillary was right, about everything.
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u/Citizen_Rat 4h ago
I always considered that was a euphemism for 'bucket of shit', but I'm an Australian and we tend to swear a lot.
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u/JustoTJ 2h ago
The media treated Hillary as if she had killed somebody! She simply pointed out that Trumpās base was filled with extremely cruel and bigoted people! Nothing she said was wrong, conservatives have been able to manipulate the masses with the idea that they are benevolent and the people on the other side are the unholy heathens! When in reality itās the exact opposite! Thatās why they use terminology like āreal Americaā and āGodās countryā when referring to their base! Those are just pretty words that mean absolutely nothing!
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 2h ago
The Clintons know how corruption works. They know how to keep their noses relatively clean while reaping benefits. They've been doing this for 40 plus years.
I think she actually fully realized the extent of the corruption that was coalescing around Trump. That much of this would start to become public.
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u/Puck68 1h ago
She was objectively, absolutely correct about so muchā¦ damn near everything, in fact.
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u/KazeNilrem 1h ago
For better or worse, she is a politician. Which also riles people up for sure, and she made some dumb mistakes (like thinking PA was a sure win and not focusing there as much). But she was 100% right about a lot of things, especially trump.
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u/dawa43 1h ago
And at the time I thought she was crazy for saying this out loud... Now it is obviously so true and not even a harsh statement.
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u/RideTheGradient 4h ago
Hillary was right about everything, go back and watch her debates with trump. Its insane how she predicted the future and tried to warn us off him
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u/Old_Protection_8778 5h ago
I think she mispoke and meant a basket so big its hard to its hard to imagine the size of it
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u/Outlaw31120 4h ago edited 4h ago
Iād say itās more like 3 C-5 loads of deplorables āworkingā in the Trump administration. Not in the country, just in his administration.
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u/Reasonable_Menu_7701 4h ago
Everyone knew it. She was the one brave enough to call it out publicly.
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u/Dry-Olive4621 4h ago
Trump is what you get when youre the side that supposedly has their shit together and yet you get nothing positive done to keep power and you greenlight truly crazy shit when its your turn to make positive change.Ā
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 2h ago
Hey!! We have a winner. Well said. I would also add: and you ignore fair, democratic processes in your candidate selection.
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u/Zestyclose_Lake_1146 4h ago
Iād have liked her as president, because sheād have been awful in the way that all presidents are. Not the kind that makes me long for the void
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u/icnoevil 3h ago
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the US public. Mark Twain.
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u/Ok_Pop_3285 2h ago
Yuh and 40% of americans didnt vote for her bc of her shrill laugh in 2016. You gonna fuck us up more ? USE YOUR GOD GIVEN BRAINS!!
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u/Kaliking247 1h ago
No there was a bunch of people still mad about Benghazi. Also at the time there was a lot of talk about what was going on behind the scenes and why everyone near the Clinton's were just randomly dying. Let's also not forget that Bernie was the more favorable option for most people and then she and the entire democrat part cut him off at the knees and forced him out.
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u/Ok_Pop_3285 1h ago
Yes so we have trmp and facing the end of our country bc we stopped funding education and our people use only 15% of their brain that mother nature gave them . They have a canned ham minus the key attached.
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u/Kaliking247 1h ago
We have him because the dems decided to shoot themselves in the foot. He never should have made it to office. When he won the first time literally everyone around him was coming out and saying him running was essentially a publicity stunt and nobody expected him to win. The dems ran Hilary against a person who didn't expect to win and lost. That is the state of the democratic party right now. McCain and Obama were the last two politicians with their ish together.
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u/Double_Philosophy_42 1h ago
They did the same to Bernie in 2020. Look at how many candidates that had no chance to win stay in and drop out after Super Tuesday to dilute the delegates so it looked like Biden had a majority. And funny how so many of them became Bidens cabinet.
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u/Original-Rush139 41m ago
Ā forced him out Ā
ā¦ of a party heās not in.Ā
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u/Kaliking247 38m ago
What did he run as again, under which primary? Also he waa literally made to endorse Hillary after he straight up said if he did so it would be against his will.
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u/Original-Rush139 20m ago
I guess some of us are still mad at Bernie for not stopping Benghazi.Ā
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u/Kaliking247 12m ago
Brother what are you talking about? He's literally on camera saying that if he endorsed Hilary he was forced to. There's nobody mad him for not stopping something he couldn't, terrible sarcasm btw. Hilary lost because the entire party back her instead of backing him. Obama literally won off of the vote of the younger voters, the people who didn't vote for her. The actual voting data says the exact same people that help Obama win voted for her significantly less. If you look at the numbers for kamala you can see that she couldn't even get the people that Biden had. Every time the the whole system has moved to back a single person there core base doesn't show up at the polls. Because if you tell people their vote doesn't matter then they don't vote
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u/Any_Strain1288 1h ago
The way the people look that he surrounds himself with it's more like a basket of horribly mutated aliens.
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u/Original-Rush139 50m ago
Ā I know there are only 60 days left to make our case ā and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time". We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call theĀ basket of deplorables.Ā (Laughter/applause)Ā Right?Ā (Laughter/applause)Ā They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic Ā ā Ā you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people Ā ā Ā now have 11 Ā million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks Ā ā Ā they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America. But the "other" basket Ā ā Ā the other basket Ā ā Ā and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and Ā ā Ā as well as, you know, New York and California Ā ā Ā but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but ā he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
ā Hillary Clinton
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u/psycho_not_training 4h ago
I think any faction that only votes one way is a basket is deplorable. Vote for the person. Democrats are no better than republicans. Trump republicanism is exceptionally bad though. Itās like all the worst republicans got his ear. The Thomas Massies got replaced instead. Sad.
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u/Emotional_Brain3219 3h ago
I know I'm getting downvoted for this
Why are we pathetically nostalgic for the single most damaging campaign to the DNC ever, even more than 2024? They had to back pivot to Biden to barely take the presidency back. Its this groveling for a "we didn't win this one but we should of" past that really brings home how screwed we are. You guys do realize this popularized party in-fighting to the point that people had to say vote blue no matter who to essentially beg people to vote them in? This is not how people win political campaigns. Republicans do not have this problem, and they vote in lockstep....even considering how bad is Trump is polling. In the end this is just a picture of a war criminal you're using to karma farm op
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u/PA2SK 3h ago
I think this was one of the turning points where the left started to truly lose the working class because Hillary was saying openly what a lot of democrats believe. It's not just that they think they're right and the other side is wrong, it's that they think they are morally superior to the other side and that gives them license to insult, demean and denigrate anyone who disagrees with them even a little bit.
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u/Candid-Difference-98 2h ago
Two thingsā¦
FIRST If the left could offer a viable candidate it would help.
SECOND. Not all of the right supports what .Trump is doing we as a COUNTRY were sold a bill of goods.
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u/frankspliff 2h ago
You would think the super smart progressives would have shown up in droves to cast their vote. Amazing all the uneducated lazy losers made it to the polls.
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u/No_Ad_1501 2h ago
Just a reminder, people dislike corporate uniparty hacks like Hillary so much, theyāre willing to hand the country to Donald Trump.
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u/Str-Engr0275 1h ago
She was just a deeply unlikable candidate that used connections rather than appealing to voters to get her nomination. Itās no surprise she lost.
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u/yadaredyadadit 47m ago
She and her husband are no different. Find a third party to vote... go socialist or libertarian. Anything but Repubs or Dems
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u/Ausare911 42m ago
You know, I don't want to say this, but I think she would win if she ran again and is exactly the person to make the changes needed to prevent this from happening again and prosecute everyone involved.
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u/chickenpattputz 4h ago
It cost her the election
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u/thomasrat1 3h ago
Honestly she was a bad candidate to run. She had decades of smear campaigns against her.
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u/chickenpattputz 3h ago
I think most people didnāt trust her. But they really had no backup candidate in mind. Except Bernie but he was a socialist parasite.
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 2h ago
THIS is almost correct. Bernie got screwed by the DNC via HRC supporters. He was by far the best candidate. NOT a socialist parasite. He ran Burlington professionally and on budget.
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u/KlutzySherbert260 1h ago
Umā¦. Agree to disagree heās a career politician. That is the definition of a parasite. Socialist qualifier aside
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u/GameBreaker92 1h ago
Someone needs to represent the people in a representative government.
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u/KlutzySherbert260 32m ago
And yet heās gained more than the average American and has multiple houses. Sounds like heās not only a parasite but one that is extorting the American people
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u/chickenpattputz 1h ago
He did go jobbed by the so called super delegates
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u/Afraid-Detective1222 41m ago
he didn't. He lost before the super delegates even got involved. He got stomped in the primaries.
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 2h ago
Half right. Should have stopped at "...run." She has a habit of insulting people, even her own husband. Bob Woodward even mentioned it in his book about Bill Clinton's first administration. She went behind his (Bill's) back to the press/media criticizing his lack of leadership skills. Called him "the mechanic-in-chief." His own partner.
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u/Gullible_Ingenuity_ 4h ago
I guess some people never learn
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 2h ago
Wow, insulting a broad swath of voters doesn't inspire people to your cause? Wait, it DOES energize the wacko Repubs. Hence the defeat. Brilliant!
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u/RollBama420 1h ago
I wish I could be a liberal, seems so easy to stand for nothing and just hate whatever youāre told to hate
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u/arvada14 1h ago
Incredible projection. You're willing to pay more on groceries in order to have someone that hates the people you do in office. You have every reason to be despised. You're actually hurting my livelihood.
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u/Original-Rush139 46m ago
The point was to have compassion for the other basket of Trump Supporters.Ā
So, being smart ā which is what it takes to love Hillary ā is actually harder than being a mouth breather who hears the word ādeplorable,ā is confused about the meaning, and never bothers to figure out what the point even was.Ā
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u/KazeNilrem 1h ago
You're funny, that is a funny joke. Cons are a contradiction to what they say and do, simple as that.
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u/Motor-Mango-1654 4h ago
And the people voted against her! And elected Trump. Gotta love democracy
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u/Ivegotabadname 5h ago edited 22m ago
SHE WAS RIGHT
Stop awarding me. Go vote.
Edit 2: I don't know what these awards are or for. Don't care. Did you vote?
Edit 3: one question challenge. Respond to everyone "vote"