r/SipsTea • • 8h ago

Lmao gottem Valid point

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u/TheQuadricorn 7h ago edited 7h ago

How much fucking money was deposited to make a piece of shit car fly for a couple of seconds that could have changed many many lives makes me sick. Fuck this timeline and fuck that musk gooch

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u/BrahneRazaAlexandros 6h ago

It's obscene. Being a billionaire means you are inherently a psychopath.

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u/THELEADERPLAYER 6h ago

Does that mean having 999M$ to your name is okay? 500M? 100M? 50M? Where should we draw this line?

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u/Hexamancer 5h ago

"Murderers are bad"

"Wow does that mean assault is okay? Mugging? Where should we draw the line???"

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u/THELEADERPLAYER 5h ago

Completely putting aside the ridiculous false equivalency, completely evading the question isn't exactly the gotcha you think it is.

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u/GrynaiTaip 5h ago

You're the one who started the gotcha game. Where does it end? Do we discuss bank robberies? Is a grocery store robbery okay? Or stealing candy from a child? Where should we draw the line???

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u/THELEADERPLAYER 5h ago

Copy pasting my other comment,

Will any of you actually not dodge the question completely? Do you all even have an answer to it?

His analogy doesn’t hold because no amount of crime is okay. But obviously having some amount of money is okay. His logic will lead us to concluding that we should have no amount of wealth to our name. This is obviously wrong.

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u/jungle 5h ago

You are getting ridiculous answers because your premise is ridiculous. Trying to find a specific number under which it's ok to have that amount of money is ridiculous. It completely misses the point. The issue is that these people could use their obscene amount of money for something good. You don't need to find a limit. It doesn't matter. It's not the point.

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u/THELEADERPLAYER 4h ago

When have I ever argued against "the point"? I frankly don’t care what you think of Musk or anyone else and neither do they. My question wasn't implying (intentionally at least) that billionaires are good or whatever.

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u/GrynaiTaip 3h ago

Nobody's setting a limit, you made it up. There doesn't need to be a limit.

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u/Hexamancer 2h ago

It's not a false equivalency. It's an analogy. Why does no one understand how analogies work?

Why did you evade my question? Why can't you answer it?

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u/nildro 5h ago

This is the deepest irony given your 'gotcha"

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u/THELEADERPLAYER 5h ago

Will any of you actually not dodge the question completely? Do you all even have an answer to it?

His analogy doesn’t hold because no amount of crime is okay. But obviously having some amount of money is okay. His logic will lead us to concluding that we should have no amount of wealth to our name.

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u/r3volts 5h ago

Yes, having $999m makes you likely a psychopath.

There is no ethical way to accrue that much money short of inheriting or winning it.

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u/Aegi 5h ago

That isn't the question. The question is where to you draw the line, with the natural follow-up being how that criteria is decided.

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u/r3volts 5h ago

You draw the line wherever you want to, it's not an exact science worthy of pedantry. The point is there is no way to join the ultra wealthy class without being a monumental piece of shit

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u/nildro 5h ago

You are talking about logic while totally jettisoning any attempt to steel-man the thing you're arguing against; hardly the act of someone who actually cares about logic. We can deduce that this other person who isn't me (stop acting like its you against a cabal), thinks that becoming a billionaire marks you out as apsychopath. You have taken the insane leap to suggest that they would have no gradient to their hatred of wealth accumulation when you live in a world absolutly jam packed with philosophies, economic theory and policy by governments that all have functions for limiting the accumulation of wealth and power in the hands of the few while allowing for all sorts of competition and reasonable wealth accumulation, But you just jump to something mad and have the audacity to call to logic of all things?

Your position is the most childlike non-engagement with reality huffy puffy trying to win an argument with facts and logic, but sadly with the facts and logic of an omeba in a petri dish with zero external information. You deserve no explanations; you have done nothing but invent the most stupid possible aveserial position so that your tiny intellect could tackle it.

who cares if someone came back with an imperfect analogy? You didn't deserve the effort of logic you hadn't used any to start the exchange.

I've left all the typos, spelling mistakes and shit in this because it will give your cognitive dissonance something to hide behind so you don't get too hurt by the realisation you're an idiot.

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u/Aegi 5h ago

Why did you choose to again attack and ignore instead of address the original point?

Are you afraid of appearing/being wrong?

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u/Aegi 5h ago

We literally do, and it is justified killing, and often called "self defense".

You did a shitty job with your example as the equivalent would be to talk about **KILLING* being wrong, and murders only being one subset of that.

Otherwise you said NOTHING relevant since you are saying that me even having a penny is bad, just less bad than a billion.

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u/Hexamancer 2h ago

We literally do what? That doesn't follow anything I said. What precisely are you responding to with that?

You did a shitty job with your example as the equivalent would be to talk about *KILLING being wrong, and murders only being one subset of that.

Nope. I'm 100% right, you're just yet another moron who doesn't understand how analogies work.

Otherwise you said NOTHING relevant since you are saying that me even having a penny is bad, just less bad than a billion.

No, I didn't say that actually.

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u/NibblyPig 4h ago

I mean if you were drafting some laws for your country, isn't that exactly the question you'd ask?

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u/Hexamancer 2h ago

Are we doing that? Is that what's happening here? We're legislators? This is Congress?

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u/NibblyPig 2h ago

You've appointed yourself legislator by asking where the line is for violent crime.

Of course the premise is stupid, murder is inherently bad but owning money is completely normal. Upon being asked to explain at what amount of money it goes from being okay to not okay, you've made this weird unrelated analogy about crime, and the analogy doesn't even work because it's possible to define where the line is for crime, we've literally defined it and it's in the legislative code of law.

However you've yet to define where the line is for owning money.

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u/Hexamancer 1h ago

The premise is stupid because you've completely misunderstood what the premise is. Your misunderstanding of the premise is indeed very stupid.

The analogy works perfectly. More violence is more bad. Murder isn't bad and then anything below that is perfectly fine.

There isn't a line for owning money because it's about how that money came into their possession, just like crime. Taking $20 from you is a crime if you do not want me to take $20 from you. If you want to give me $20, perhaps because I am giving you something in exchange, that isn't a crime.

Punching someone in the chest is assault, unless it's been agreed that you can punch that person in the chest, perhaps as part of a boxing match.

Likewise, someone earning $1,000,000 through their own labor is fine. Someone earning $1,000,000 by exploiting the labor of others is not.

So why is $1 billion always bad? Because you cannot earn that much money without exploiting the labor of others. It isn't possible. Where exactly is the line where you could possibly earn that much yourself? That's fuzzy. That's hard to tell. But $1 billion so far above that line that we can say with certainty that it has been earned through some degree of exploitation.

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u/NibblyPig 1h ago

Sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Likewise, someone earning $1,000,000 through their own labor is fine. Someone earning $1,000,000 by exploiting the labor of others is not.

This, is stupid. Nobody is being exploited here. Lots of people are being paid money and they can use that money to start and raise a family though, which is real nice. And we get rockets and cars in the case of Musk, plus literal billions in tax to fund schools, libraries, etc.

You've just attached an arbitrary value, and you've been asked to define where the cut-off is, and you cannot