r/SipsTea • • 10h ago

Chugging tea Peaceful protests in France today

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u/Cute_Disaster_6867 8h ago

Boomers refuse to accept any changes to the pension system, while the left keeps demanding higher taxes and more social spending. At this rate, we're screwed.

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u/Cantripping_ 7h ago

Higher taxes for the rich.

The poor die if you tax them too much. The rich don't. It's a very easy equation.

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u/IntelligentLeading11 7h ago

If you remove all incentive for the rich to pursue wealth accumulation they will simply leave or stop producing as much wealth. Both scenarios are counter productive to those who expect taxing the rich to solve a failing economy. 

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u/InterestingCat8975 7h ago

The incentive is access to leech of the country economy, very often taking from public funds and forcing politicians to pass legistalion in their favour. If they want to go which surprise surprise they won't they can get the fuck out, they will be easily replaced.

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u/IntelligentLeading11 7h ago

If the leeching is not worth the squeeze they will do something else somewhere else. 

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u/stprnn 6h ago

Byeee

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

Don't hate me for it. I'm not saying it's how it should be, I'm saying how it is. 

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u/stprnn 5h ago

I'm not hating you, I'm saying we don't need them. Let them go leech somewhere else

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

Well unfortunately in this system you do need them because even though for you they don't pay enough taxes, they do still pay a lot of taxes and employ a lot of people. If you removed the wealthy from night to morning the system would falter. You'd have to move to a different system first in order to be able to not depend on them. 

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u/stprnn 5h ago

Those people will still work after they leave. They are making the money not the dude accumulating wealth.

We don't need them

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

Do you know the history of Detroit? 

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u/stprnn 5h ago

I'm sure that "the billionaires left" is not the cause of whatever you are implying.

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

Actually it is. The wealthy people left and the rest couldn't keep the whole thing running on their own, which was what you seemed to be suggesting would happen. 

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u/InterestingCat8975 5h ago

They mostly evade taxes, money launder, have as much as they can in tax havens...even Robert Kiyosaki gleefully explains this, epic music and slow panning included, in a YT video pretty much wanting to say in the end GREAT MEN find their way or something on that line.

This is not counting taking out from public resources for their shitty profit motivated private scams quite often.

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

That can all be true while my point still stands. That's because the system we exist in has been viciously made dependant on those vultures. We exist in a completely corrupt system and the idea that taxing the wealthy to give money to the non wealthy would solve such abomination is an infantile wishful thinking.

There are two options to actually solve anything, you either must create alternative societies that reject the system and those who rule it, or you must destroy the system completely and built something better out of its ashes. Both are more difficult than idealists and utopians would like to believe. 

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u/InterestingCat8975 5h ago

Oh I agree. Not thinking we have a revolution around the corner, maybe if stuff goes really really really THAT bad, which I doubt short term.

Just saying even in this system as it is now, big business often will cause more trouble than they generate "wealth" specially foreign business. And if a manufacturer, of idk, let's say cheap electronics, specialized on low budget control pads for PC, leaves the French or Swedish market for example -which as said I doubt they'd do- their place in the market would be filled quickly.

This is of course not 100% of the cases and could be at least partly wrong, but from what I have I'm pretty sure.

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u/IntelligentLeading11 5h ago

Filled by whom?

By the way, I think we may be in store for a big revolution, the question is, to what extent will it be co-opted by the powers that be to serve their own agenda as it usually happens? 

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