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miscellaneous (Meta Trope) "Wait, you're supposed to be a bad representation!" "Yeah but you accidentally made me cool as fuck"

Injue Joe (Looney Tunes)- in this episode how America came to be, 90% of the country belonged to this mf. He broke trees with his chest, scared off bears with his roar, sended bear traps running and crying with his bite, passed rivers like a hippo, shot tree sized arrows casually and eated bullet to form canon balls that he shooted out of his mouth.

Snowflame (DC comics): Snowflame is a villain that gains more power the more he takes cocaine. He can control white flames, have super strenght, super resistance, ability to makes others feel drugged aswell and endless stamina. He should be a PTA about drugs being bad, but the writers forgot the most important things when making a anti-drug characters, THEY FORGOT TO GIVE HIM CONSEQUENCES FOR USING HIS POWER. Mf is able to duke it out with a entire hero team at the price of nothing.

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u/jinxskunk366 4d ago

Tequila gundam, honestly most of the mechs from G-gundam. They all play off national stereotypes (canada is a lumberjack, france looks like napoleon, the african/zulu gundam is zebra themed, etc) but they're all beloved by fans especially in their respective regions. Tequila gundam is one of the most requested gunpla kits that bandai refuses to make lol

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u/Cherno_Grivious11 4d ago

Ah yes G Gundam, where netherlands is a windmill with arms and legs and the swedish is a woman in school uniform

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u/Cherno_Grivious11 4d ago

Heres the netherlands for anyone curious:

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u/MugRuithstan 4d ago

How... like how does he fight? He can't put his arms in front of him? Are the windmills structural?

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u/jinxskunk366 4d ago

Thats the best part: he doesn't. They don't want to actually participate but are required to, so their gundam disguises itself as a windmill in a field of windmills, and basically runs out the clock by hiding. Flawless rate of all their fights being draws. Plot twist: all the windmills are gundams, and they technically have the largest army of mobile suits lmao

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u/Stalemoves 4d ago

don't forget, motherfucker got past the first half of the gundam fight, so the suit they sent for token participation got the latter half of the tourney without lifting a mechanized finger.

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u/CelioHogane 4d ago

That's so fucking funny.

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u/Invisible-Pancreas 4d ago

WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOODNIGHT!

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u/Fearless_Owl_2172 4d ago edited 4d ago

What are your thoughts on how ice unicycles ridden by an octopus work?

https://youtu.be/ktUx57i63e0?is=7p7k2FfIris079Pu

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u/OwlMugMan 4d ago

Never has a paragraph sold me harder on a show before

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u/SocranX 4d ago

Why did Neo-Spain not make a Quixote Gundam? Are they stupid?

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u/kamen1997 4d ago

It fan can be detact, it flight mode is the fan mode to thr bottom and start spinning. It have beam cannon in those 'window' as weapon, 10 of them

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u/MugRuithstan 4d ago

This is just raising more questions

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u/unluckyknight13 4d ago

That feels like a lazy transformer

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u/MechR58 4d ago

That because it is. Its main gimmick is to transform into a windmill blending in with with other windmills before the start of the tournament.

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u/Helem5XG 4d ago

So this is what Don Quixote saw when he saw Windmills were giants

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u/dragon_bacon 4d ago

You can't fool me, that's Sailor Moon with a robot costume.

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u/AzureRatha 4d ago

Wrong! It's a robot in a Sailor Venus costume specifically. Specifically her Sailor V look, if the red around the eyes is interpreted as her mask

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u/kwijibokwijibo 4d ago

Why is Sweden sailor moon?

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u/msdwadge09G 4d ago

Because the Japanese were too cowardly to give it to themselves, even though they know they should’ve

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u/Ashamed-Example-2338 4d ago

loved how fantastically dumb G-Gundam was

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u/mewfour123412 4d ago

This stupid thing has a toy by the way

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u/AcaciaCelestinas 4d ago

You forgot to add that neo-mexico is a floating space sombrero 

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u/doubleshotinthedark 4d ago

holy shit I thought you were kidding

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u/ProfessionalSnow943 4d ago

g gundam is “holy shit I thought you were kidding: the series”

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u/Visible-Welder-5148 4d ago

I love how half of g -gundam is " hey loon at this cool stereotype " and in the same episode " hey look at him die thanks to a techno organic virus created by a psychopath who is the protagonist brother "

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u/jinxskunk366 4d ago

"This giant robot is a cultural stereotype. Now here's 20 minutes of the pilots complex inner struggle as a character and their position in this tournament"

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u/nitrokitty 4d ago

The duality of Gundam.

Gundam: War is hell. There are heroes and villains on both sides. Anyone is capable of committing atrocities. The innocent are the ones who suffer most.

Also Gundam: lol cactus robot

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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 4d ago

I'm so sad that there's no official Tequila Gundam model lol. IIRC, though, there are third party ones that are 3D-printable.

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u/Man0Steel123 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/FXNgJsMZ9t6M4LzEls

A caricature of Mexicans became completely beloved because he was competent and stuck it to the man

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u/Only_Fudge5299 4d ago

there's a reason the trope is called "Mexicans love Speedy Gonzales"

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u/Backupusername 4d ago

People are starting to forget the stereotypes that were so prevalent in the old days (of the 90s), and I think that's beautiful.

Speedy Gonzalez was intended to be a funny joke for white people because he was a Mexican that went very fast. This was a subversion of the established assumption that Mexicans were all slow-moving and lazy, arguably stemming from a widespread misunderstanding/misrepresentation of siesta culture.

Anyway, yes, he was meant to be a stereotype in every way but one, with that one being the joke.

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u/Spirited-Feedback-87 4d ago

I legit thought as a kid that mexicans had super speed because of speedy gonzales

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u/Kanin_usagi 4d ago

A group of Mexicans came and re-roofed my entire house in less than a day. As far as I’m concerned they do have super powers

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u/HollyBananas 4d ago

Well, Jesus was a carpenter.

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u/Careful_Welcome7999 4d ago

They do! The only reason you are able to see and interact with them is because they slow down when one of us non-speedsters is around in order to not A-train us

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u/cleverpun0 4d ago

The earliest version of him (appearing in "Cat-Tails for Two") also had huge buck teeth and a gold tooth. He was redesigned into his current version.

And let's not forget the long history of racism in animation. Like the Censored Eleven—eleven Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies that were so racist, they were pulled from broadcast in the late 60s.

Speedy was 100% intended as racist joke.

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u/Blank_ngnl 4d ago

The censored eleven kinda goes hard as a name

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u/throwawaycuzfemdom 4d ago

The censored eleven, the dirty dozen and 13 reasons why enter 8 bars...

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u/MicrosoftMichel 4d ago

damn in the late 60s it was considered too racist? that's some nuclear weapons levels of hatred right there

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u/krebstar4ever 4d ago edited 3d ago

Speedy is meant to be a comical exception to a racist stereotype. In the cartoons, all the other Mexicans are stereotypically sleepy, slow, and lazy. Speedy is, well, speedy. "Haha, imagine a Mexican who's fast and gets things done!"

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u/Kriieod 4d ago

For the other stereotypes there was Slow Poke Rodriguez. But remember, he might be slow, but him carry a gun.

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u/HorseWithMoNames 4d ago

I love the absurdity of making a slow mouse only to give him a gun. Like no, this cocky ass should be underdog doesn’t outwit his enemies in any of the traditional narrative tropes, he just shoots them. (And also mind controls them!?)

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u/CyberDaggerX 4d ago

"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe. But I've yet to meet someone who can outsmart bullet."

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u/cleverpun0 4d ago

A big part of Speedy's popularity in Mexico came down to the dub. In the original, he had a pretty bad Spanish accent. Being dubbed into Spanish obviously removed that problem.

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u/Rahnzan 4d ago edited 4d ago

Worked in a factory with just about every version of Mexican Latin Spanish Hispanic Creole Dominican, you name it they were there. What little I knew of all their languages turned into an absolute grab bag of culture.

One day "Manny" was walking too slowly in front of me in a narrow space during a clutch moment during start-up, and I thought I goofed it big time when it just came out of me; "Rapido! Epa! Epa! Andale! Arriba! Arriba!"

EVERYBODY turned to me with smiles and laughter and excitement, Manny whips around glowing "SPEEDY!!" Almost the whole floor spent an hour talking about cartoons after that.

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u/Amazing_Working_6157 4d ago

Also gotta give a shout out to his cousin Slowpoke Rodriguez.

He might have moved slow, but it was only because Slowpoke didn't have to move for anybody.

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u/No-Yam-9178 4d ago

And he pack a gun

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u/OmegaGlops 4d ago

and he can do THIS

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u/JustLookingForMayhem 4d ago

I kind of remember Fluffy's take on bad representation being better than no representation and no representation being better than racism. Granted he went down hill quick, but he did have a point. I am autistic and can admit the 'high functioning' from Big Bang Theory is better than nothing and nothing would have been better than the 'high functioning' that Law & Order showed.

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u/Dragombolt 4d ago

Caricature Themed Icons

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u/AbeTheGreat412 4d ago

I've held this pic in my phone for like 10yrs lol. So absurd

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u/Prinz_Morbo 4d ago

in star wars it made sense.

the imperium goes for unity and intimidation with endless ressources.

the rebels go for functionality, mobility, and cheaper armor.

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u/SableZard 4d ago

Rebels saw their shots were just punching through Imperial "armor" and decided it was cheaper to just wear a vest with a shitload of pockets.

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u/SideshowMantis 4d ago

Krennig might not have gotten props for making the Death Star, but he definitely gets props for his drip.

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u/TheSchlormp 4d ago

r/powerscaling was debating whether or not Injun Joe could beat Yujiro Hamna yesterday lmao

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u/HonestMonth8423 4d ago

But could he beat Snowflame?

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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 4d ago edited 4d ago

Depends on how much cocaine snowflame has.

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u/pizzatom69 4d ago

Considering that Snowflame, The Cocaine Powered Supervillain is canonically a drug lord; whom are typically known for having a lot of drugs, including but not limited to cocaine, it is safe to say that Snowflame, The Cocaine Powered Supervillain would have very reasonable access to cocaine; which, to reiterate is the power source for Snowflame, The Cocaine Powered Supervillain.

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u/disdatsteven10 4d ago

Did he win

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u/SavingsTechnical5489 4d ago

joe split a mountain in two in his first appearance what do you think

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u/TheSchlormp 4d ago

The general consensus was that Yujiro is completely fucked

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u/iwantdatpuss 4d ago

As he should be, Injun Joe ain't somebody to fuck with. 

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u/_whatever_wherever 4d ago

90% of the Continental United States was HIS territory

Not indigenous land, just Injun Joe's

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u/Belephron 4d ago

It’s not on the same level as depictions of minority groups but as an Australian; the episode Bart vs Australia is a pretty ridiculous caricature of the country and the people that live here, making it seem like the whole place is just a collection of backwater hicks. When it aired there was some minor grumbling about it. However for my generation who were children watching it, I thought it was hilarious, and Australia almost never got a mention in American media when I was growing up. Flash forward and this episode is a cultural touchstone, you would not believe the amount of casual use “dollarydoos” gets in this country on the back of this episode.

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u/Persnickitycannon 4d ago

"Im gonna tell the prime minister! Oi! Prime minister"

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u/DOGPISSCURESCANCER 4d ago

I go to the US a lot and use dollarydoos and ‘bootable offence’ a lot and also shazwazzas. 

The funniest part to me as an Australian though is the end when Bart lets out his frog and it becomes some dangerous invasive species and it cuts to the koala on the helicopter. For those not from Australia they probably wouldn’t realise that invasive species are an extreme and omnipresent problem here because of all our defenceless little critters and our ecosystem that evolved separated from the rest of the world. It felt like a joke with Australians being the intended audience. 

They really did amazing research on that episode to take the piss out of us so well, I think we love it a lot more than anyone else tbh. 

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u/Elbjornbjorn 4d ago

When I was a kid I knew two things about Australia, that all animals that live there are extremely dangerous yet somehow also vulnerable to all other animals.

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u/mike_pants 4d ago

I remember the first time I listened to The Weekly Planet, a nerd podcast produced by two Australians, and hearing them say "dollarydoos." It was quite the whiplash moment.

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u/nievefiina 4d ago

Writers gave the anti-drug villain endless stamina and zero comedown

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u/Realistic_Emotion_50 4d ago

“I am Snowflame! Every cell of my being burns with white-hot ecstasy. Cocaine is my God, and I am the human instrument of its will!!!” Snowflame said calmly

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u/YamatoIouko 4d ago

James Gunn has the opportunity to do the FUNNIEST thing…

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u/fenominus 4d ago

Put him in Peacemaker *yesterday*

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u/nonmagi 4d ago

He was, in the comics at least. There was a comic where peacemaker is trying to find his kidnapped dog and fights snowflame

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u/IAmRoofstone 4d ago

Why is the anti drug PSA the coolest guy I have ever seen I really want some cocaine now it has to be awesome!

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u/Shiva9990 4d ago

1) nice pfp
2) someone REALLY needs to tell James Gunn to use him in the next dc movie/show

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u/Nitrodestroyer 4d ago

I hope he does, partially because it would be hilarious to unironically say "Snowflame upscale"

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u/JomoGaming2 4d ago

I am eternally grateful that I can only hear this phrase in Huggbees's voice.

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u/Daimaoh22 4d ago

"Yeah, man, that's just cocaine." Love that SoildJJ video.

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u/JoeJonnyJeff 4d ago

"Drugs, but they're great, with no downside. And he's so cool." Solid JJ did an excellent parody of Snowflame, where he's actually OD'ing on the euphoria of electricity surging through every molecule of his body.

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u/Correct_Doctor_1502 4d ago

The comedown is getting Peacemaker or Catwoman to kick your ass and send you to jail (until you get some coke then break everyone out)

He's such a D lister he's the antagonist to C list teams and B list antivillains

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u/H311i0_trop3 4d ago

It really didn't help that we were supposed to be rooting for a bunch of horned up stereotypes with aides that had zero redeemable qualities and zero charisma

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u/Unu51 4d ago

Senator Armstrong - Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

He's meant to be a caricature of warmongering US politicians but they accidentally made him cool as fuck through his hammy speeches, countless quotable lines ("Nanomachines, son."), a kickass theme for an equally kickass boss fight, and him actually having respect for the main character's resolve.

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u/RavenCyarm 4d ago

Metal Gear Solid as a whole is this trope. It's anti-war... and yet Kojima fills it with cool, badass characters and mechs. People have actually enlisted as a result of playing the games, completely missing the point.

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u/Noglues 4d ago

People have actually enlisted as a result of playing the games, completely missing the point.

That's like saying you wanted to join NASA ever since you watched Event Horizon.

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u/Odd_Cartoonist7433 4d ago

That's like saying you want to join Big Oil after playing Mad Max

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u/Jeutnarg 4d ago

There's a decent % of men who absolutely want the toughest challenge with the greatest prestige. IIRC, Napoleon renamed a particular position with near-total casualties the "bastion of those who have no fear" and ended up needing to turn away a bunch of surplus volunteers. "La batterie des hommes sans peur"

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u/BlueBicycle_ 4d ago

It's wild that in this 2013 game you have a corrupt warmongering right wing politician that throws out a "make america great again". Like they fucking warned us bro

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u/Dasandwichlord 4d ago

Tbf it was Reagan that first used the term

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u/MelanieAntiqua 4d ago

I read somewhere that it was actually Thatcher that used it first (which kinda makes sense. "Make Britain Great Again" is begrudgingly just a little bit clever), then Reagan killed the actual wordplay behind the slogan to make it about America.

I can't find the source of that tidbit anymore, though, so maybe it's not actually true. But, regardless, the current US President was far from the first cartoonishly-evil politician to use a "Make (Country) Great Again" slogan.

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u/No_Walk_Town 4d ago

Japan did something similar ripping off "Cool Britannia," which, again, you have to begrudgingly admit is at least a tiny bit clever play on "Rule Britannia" - with Japan creating their rival "Cool Japan" campaign.

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u/mewfour123412 4d ago

You beat him and instead of screaming how he’s the strongest and shouldn’t have lost he instead says he’s wrong simply because raiden beat him and therefore was stronger

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u/Mathev 4d ago

His whole agenda was that stronger people should lead so by losing Raiden proved him right.

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u/loseniram 4d ago

its actually more complex than that.

The whole freedom patriotism is fucking bullshit and he knows it.

He fundamentally just believes in individual strength and if it weren’t for all those politicians and media people could base everything on skill and strength.

Its shown in their boss fight theme that they’re a lot closer together ideologically than they care to admit. Its just they have fundamentally different views on what strength means. Armstrong views the weak as the billionaires and politicians that use manipulation to control the masses, while Raiden views has a traditional view of weakness anf views the weak as people that needed to be protected from the strong.

This is why Raiden says “you’re not evil you’re just fucking insane” before suplexing him.

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u/Spudtron98 4d ago

But even then that argument completely falls apart because his individual strength comes in the form of billion-dollar nanomachines and superweapon spam. He also thinks that going through a state university and playing football qualifies as growing up rough, and says this to the literal child soldier.

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u/The_Rat_Bstrd 4d ago

I always saw him as a dark mirror to Raiden. He had the right basic idea (war economy needs to end, etc.) but it was tainted by his privilege into his weird Darwinist nonsense.

Raiden acts as a filter for this, due to his upbringing, taking the good and leaving the bad. Thus, the post-credits scene.

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u/loseniram 4d ago

that is the correct interpretation or the most strongly supported by what we’re given in game.

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u/CannonGerbil 4d ago

In the same vein, Sundowner is a caricature of the war fetishist and people liked him so much he became a mascot for NCD

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u/Kellythejellyman 4d ago

“Like the good ole days after 9/11!!” is one among many hilarious lines

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u/Dillo64 4d ago

Stroheim the cyborg who ends up being an invaluable ally to the group in JoJo part 2

Oh yeah, he’s a Nazi

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u/iwantdatpuss 4d ago

And not like a "haha nazi caricature funny" type of nazi. Dude genuinely believes on the nazi party. 

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u/Alternative_Sea_4208 4d ago

Araki really toed the line by making Battle Tendency take place *one year* before the holocaust and include a hyper-nationalist Nazi. Like, he hasn't technically committed any atrocities *yet* but he absolutely would a year later.

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u/Kind-Let5666 4d ago

Yes, but the epilogue unceremoniously ending his story with “he died in the Battle of Stalingrad” gets a chuckle out of me.

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u/semendrinker42069 4d ago

i still wonder what the fuck could have killed him in stalingrad, i always liked the headcanon that it was a stand user tho

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u/Helem5XG 4d ago

I always made the joke that it was Stalin himself that killed him because it was also a Cyborg, making a play around his name being Man of Steel

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u/Pichuunnn 4d ago

Stroheim did commited some war crimes as seen in his introduction arc where he casually ordered execution of entire Mexican village and spare just one boy because he want to using their blood to experimenting Pillar Man.

Araki purposely written him to be a villain/antagonist right from get go.

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u/Alternative_Sea_4208 4d ago

Y'know, I completely forgot that he did that. What a wild opening move for a guy who would later become a secondary protag.

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u/Dante_n_Knuckles 4d ago

Yeah and he is said to have died in the battle of Stalingrad aka one of the most brutal fights during the entire war

So I guess he didn't get away completely with his actions, we just never see it on-screen

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u/CelioHogane 4d ago

To be fair, most Jojo protagonist aren't specially the epitome of Morality.

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u/iwantdatpuss 4d ago

I swear Jonathan needed to be as infallible as he is in order to remind people that Jojos are to a degree heroic regardless how out of pocket they can act. 

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u/iwantdatpuss 4d ago

Hell, he probably committed atrocities in Stalingrad before dying there too. 

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u/Backupusername 4d ago

During Nazi rule. People not familiar with with the story of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure might not be aware that part 2 takes place in 1939. Stroheim was very much a willing and enthusiastic soldier in the same army that invaded Poland. He canonically died in the 1943, in the Battle of Stalingrad.

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u/Monty_the_Clown 4d ago

especially when he has DER MENSCH IST BÖSE

DER MENSCH IST BÖSE

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u/Mighty_Eagle_69420 4d ago

Thw only time the protaganists of a series get to thank God that the Nazis are here

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u/Blue_Bird_Enjoyer 4d ago edited 4d ago

Goldlewis Dickinson from Guilty Gear -Strive-. Sure he's a stereotypical, obese American, but he swings around a coffin that contains an ALIEN. He also has other weapons like a mini gun, drones, and a satellite cannon. Did I mention his government position is called the "Secretary of Absolute Defense"? What a badass.

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u/PotatoJordan33 4d ago

THE BEST fat character ever added to a video game and I don’t think it’s close

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u/YellowGrowlithe 4d ago

The closest I can think of is Bob in tekken, though iirc there is still a little comic relief hiding in his treatment, the character does play it more straight than a lot of others. Especially as he didnt get the magic "I am am a slow heavyweight character" gene that makes all your attacks slow and heavyweight as soon as your BMI dares to push the envelope.

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u/stumpychubbins 4d ago

Is he supposed to be making fun of americans? He’s cool as hell and that’s no accident.

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u/ZanesTheArgent 4d ago

Full on homage, the only american mockery in GG WAS Chipp Zanuff as a self-trained american otaku ninja.

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u/Depressed_Lego 4d ago

Hey, self-trained American otaku ninja that's president of an African country.

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u/MoonlightDahling 4d ago edited 4d ago

Phillip and Brandon in Rope aren’t exactly the most positive of representation.

(Being cold-blooded MURDERERS)

But, nonetheless, the film has a massive queer fanbase.

And, to be fair, you could at least argue that they’re villains who simply HAPPEN to be gay, as opposed to any real correlation being implied between the two.

(The screenwriter, Arthur Laurents, was gay. Which certainly helps)

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u/iwantdatpuss 4d ago

"Be the American the Japanese thinks you are" is a fun trope for a reason.

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u/danuhorus 4d ago

I remember when Barbenheimer was a thing and a couple of Japanese guys were pissed off about it. So naturally, they made some 9/11 memes that went insanely hard and were instantly and unanimously beloved by all of American twitter.

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u/Dante_n_Knuckles 4d ago

They thought they were being insulting and even qualified it was supposed to be a joke showing how disrespectful Barbenheimer felt.

I think they didn't realize Americans have been making 9/11 jokes for decades now

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u/Wardock8 4d ago

I remember getting into an argument with (who I assume was) an Italian about the mafia aesthetic shit and they said something along the lines of "You wouldn't joke about school shootings or 9/11, would you?" to which I had to explain that we have been joking about this shit for years.

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u/Easy_Mechanic_9787 4d ago

America re-inventing nuclear weapons to nuke USSR in the 1990s, chainsaw man.

The nuke devil was eaten and nuclear weapons were all erased from humanity’s memory, but America simply reinvented them and nuked the soviets. The supporting science that results in a nuclear explosion still existed, only needed to be rediscovered which is easy for a country as prosperous as America with the military industrial complex.

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u/BookkeeperPercival 4d ago

War Devil: "I forgot, I don't love [blank]! I love America! Because America invented nuclear weapons!

I know writers that use subtext, and they're all cowards

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u/beleth____ 4d ago

Yeah America would totally do that

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u/Barroozina 4d ago

And then there's Baki

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u/justforsexfolks 4d ago

They didn't make him fat and ugly enough.

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u/ExcellentRaccoon1567 4d ago

This is the most unrealistic thing from Baki, that rotting orange wouldn’t even know the beginning of the oath

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u/Grizzly_228 4d ago

He’s making the Nazi salute tho

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u/SocranX 4d ago

Also, when Yujiro says he's gonna rape him, he would NOT have responded with, "D-do you mean non-consensual sex?"

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u/HotUKTakes 4d ago

Also the American "Bad guys" in Chinese war films.

They just make them all badass.

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u/Unusual_Bath_4145 4d ago edited 4d ago

Punch-Out does use a lot of stereotypes to build their fighters personalities but it doesn't feel offensive since the characters are either cool, funny, charming or all of the above. It also helps that Nintendo made fun of every nationality that was in these games including the japanese despite nintendo being japanese so it never feels mean-spirited.

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u/Fwipp 4d ago

It probably helps that censorship changed Vodka Drunkinski- the Russian character- into Soda Popinski- he now isnt an alcoholic, he gets powers from soft drinks- so now its absurd rather than offensive.

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u/Discount_Lex_Luthor 4d ago

"price of nothing" ...cocaine ain't cheap.

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u/Gremict 4d ago

On a DC character's budget it's basically free

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u/Siksinaaq 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not much to contribute, but as an Indigenous person myself (specifically Inuit), it was hilarious seeing this Injun Joe episode make rounds on Twitter the other day. Everyone was saying the same thing how he's legit OP and how besides the ending where Injun Joe is 'defeated' via tickling, it made the 'white colonists' look bad.

Ex. Injun Joe walks through a river with ease while Porky and his horse drain it. An example of colonizers destroying the environment lmao

Even the very ending when Injun Joe sucks all the trees, vegetation, etc. into a hole in the ground, it's symbolic to what settlers did to the land when they arrived baha

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u/Hazard2862 4d ago

tacking on my own contribution, Injun Joe also isnt the aggressor, like at all. he scares off a bear about to attack him, frees himself from a trap, and returns fire after being shot at while hobby-horsing

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u/horiami 4d ago

I don't think injun joe is supposed to be bad, mf moves like popeye

Especially considering the settlers are kinda portrayed as whimpy and only winning through sheer luck

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u/HellwaterCascades 4d ago

Nightwolf (Mortal Kombat)

He's a Native character who's depicted with spirit-animal powers.

But those powers are sick as fuuuuck.

https://giphy.com/gifs/JhDcMNgbEcJxe

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u/blackjackgabbiani 4d ago

It helps that in fighting games, most characters tend to be some sort of stereotype, so he's not alone in that regard

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u/mostly_quotes 4d ago

One of my all time favs! Was so bummed he wasn’t included in MK1

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u/yyetydydovtyud 4d ago

I know a lot of libertarians, I dont know a single libertarian that Doesn't fucking love Ron Swanson

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u/Puzzleheaded-Key-107 4d ago

So beloved Selena's brother's cumbia band has a song dedicated to him 

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u/Full_Practice3013 4d ago

The Helghast from the Killzone series.

They are, objectively speaking, super fucking horrible space Fascists going out of their way to tick all of the bad guy boxes. They wear dark armour, glowing eyes, full-face masks, full on Nuremburg Rallies complete with flag waving and gun rattling...

And yet they're one of the most compelling villain factions ever written for an FPS game, and people WILL write entire essays defending the horrible shit the Helghast do/did.

Because they look cool.

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u/GargantuanCake 4d ago

I don't think Injun Joe was really intended to be a bad representation. Just throwing that out there. He was super strong, impossibly tough, and just didn't give a single fuck what you thought. He was what he was and if you had a problem with it well that's a you problem, isn't it? He was pretty clearly meant to be seen as awesome as all hell.

The entire joke was that he was the absolute peak of super tough plains people that had the absurd weakness of being super ticklish. Making him look cool as hell was ultimately a setup for that last gag.

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u/midasMIRV 4d ago

He was definitely a caricature, but he was also representative of the massive threat that native war parties posed during westward expansion. They didn't send the army out there for shits and giggles.

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u/GargantuanCake 4d ago

Yup. Meanwhile every cartoon character is probably an exaggerated caricature of something. He was pretty specifically said to be a genuine threat you had to worry about if you wanted to cross the plains. Overall though if you actually watch that short you'll see that it caricatures white settlers too. Sloppy Moe isn't exactly a flattering portrayal of hillbillies. Overall though the humor is based on exaggeration of recognizable things, slapstick, and absurdism. Injun Joe is so superhuman that it becomes a great gag in and of itself.

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u/Maslenain 4d ago edited 4d ago

This Chinese caricature of Uncle Sam.

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u/GyL_draw 4d ago

When Iran, draw Macron as "the devil from Paris". All french people found the caricature so funny Macron up in popularity (for a short time)

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u/stoneguy31 4d ago

China really loves depicting America as badass cool looking villains and monsters a lot in their propaganda, it's pretty funny.

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u/evranch 4d ago

I genuinely love that demon/shark aircraft carrier. Absolutely sick aesthetic. I wonder if the blue glow is supposed to be Cherenkov radiation from the nuke?

Colours are gorgeous too. Teenage me would have put this poster on his wall

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u/Man0Steel123 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/hPL6rgs9bma8ZDRchm

So here is a very fun but incredibly odd example.

A couple of years ago pro wrestler Chad gable was in a feud with various luchadores in the WWE. He hated them so much that he went down to Mexico to learn how to defeat luchadores. Couple of months later we get the debut of El Grande Americano, a masked luchadore that interfered in the other luchadore matches to cost them victories.

Now just from looking at him you could tell it was Chad gable but the show tried to portray them as to totally different people. Overall the gimmick was supposed to be for comedy but ran into a bit of trouble at first because he was billed from….The Gulf of America.

Eventually the Gable version of El grande Americano got injured. But don’t you worry because the story of el grande Americano does not end.

Enter Ludwig Kaiser who now appeared on the show as a leaner taller version of El Grande Americano to fulfill the same role. Yes a German man was acting like an American acting like a luchadore.

That said something happened. See under Gable the gimmick was supposed to be a comedy gimmick we boo at, for a time this was Kaisers role too…but then he took it seriously.

Turns out Kaiser really enjoys Mexican culture. So much that he can speak the language very fluently and shows great respect to it. Hell he even defended his Latina girlfriend when some asshole threatened to call ICE on her.

Under the WWE owned AAA promotion, Mexican audiences respected Kaiser dedication to the role and their culture basically made him a fan favorite. So much that when gable returned from injury they had a pro longed feud that ended in a mask vs mask match that is still in contention for match of the year. He also is their current champion. Ludwig Kaiser can now never not be El Grande Americano

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u/Legomaniac91 4d ago

Speedy Gonzalez. While some of the supporting cast came off as lazy Mexican stereotypes, Speedy himself was always portrayed as the hero who made fools of the cats and helped out his people.

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u/_whatever_wherever 4d ago

Of the American cats

That's an important part

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u/SpagettisFork 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/llfVoXzlEppScDN9V5

Joey on Friends was supposed to be this sleazy womanizer but he had such a big brother energy that he ended up being the most loved character on the show. Still a womanizer, but everybody loved him

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u/punksterb 4d ago

I think one aspect of that was he was shown to be a minor celebrity and had charisma, so for some part women chose to sleep with him.

Unlike Barney Stinson in How I Met Your Mother, who was shown to be very manipulative and overall creepy to deceive women who otherwise wouldn't choose to sleep with him.

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u/Jedi-master-dragon 4d ago

As much as Injun Joe is a caricature of Natives, I can't help but enjoy the Wagon Heels shorts. Dude is so hench, so powerful that he just walks through rock and trees like its nothing. Usually the other racist caricatures in old Looney Tunes cartoons are REALLY bad and super unflattering, not so much Injun Joe. My boy Injun Joe jumped from a cliff and hit the ground so hard it caused the earth to react.

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u/Itchy-Credit8356 4d ago edited 4d ago

Doris from shrek was meant to make fun of cross dressers and trans women, thank God that the fans embraced her and later on the films made her part of the good guys team

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u/RabbitStewAndStout 4d ago

It helps a lot that they made her character play the role fully straight (as in serious, not mocking).

She's a level-headed, dry-humored, strong-ass lady and that makes her cool as hell

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u/HollyBananas 4d ago

I thought she was just meant to be the ''ugly stepsister'' and her being trans is new to me.. She's kickass tho.

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u/ImportantQuestions10 4d ago

I've known two women that look and have the same personality as Doris. So I would assume that she was just conventionally unattractive but female.

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u/acoastaldog 4d ago

People often seem to forget that many, many cis women look like what people stereotypically think trans women look like lol, many also hide it well because of social friction 

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u/Weary_Specialist_436 4d ago

I think it was originally meant to be poking fun at that trope, original Shrek was all about poking fun at fantasy and fairytale tropes

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u/TheRealMike1997 4d ago

She still works even if you don’t get it, like she’s called the UGLY stepsister

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u/Stretch5678 4d ago

Injun Joe was a badass. With the stunts he pulled, he was basically an indigenous version of Popeye or Bluto.

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u/VirtualDisk2499 4d ago

Blanka - The character was the stereotype of Brazil being just a huge jungle (the character is said to have been raised by wolves, the only wolf species in Brazil is the maned wolf that is a solitary animal), but the character became a favorite in Brazil, he even had a certain retcon in his story with the character being confirmed born in Brazil.

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u/MorganTheSpider 4d ago

You know who from Rocky Horror

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u/Alpha27_ 4d ago

for those who didnt see it, Dr. Frank-N-Furter, played by the late, great and powerful Tim Curry

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u/RainierxWolfcastle 4d ago

Stan Lee made Iron Man unlikeable on purpose. He is a dick and he doesn't have superpowers he is just rich.

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u/Visible-Welder-5148 4d ago

"The asshole part wasn't from the drinking, that's 100%vanilla Tony Stark "

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u/Clint1020 4d ago

I think the idea with him was Stan Lee wanting to make a hero was a deeply evil person who became better although I heard that online and barely remember it so take it with an entire truck of salt.

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u/JACC_Opi 4d ago

I remember watching an interview of his talking about Tony Stark and his approach was basically “could I make an unlikable person, likable?”

I don't remember exactly but I also think it was because he was essentially dared to do it.

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u/NerdyPuth123 4d ago

WAHT SNOWFLAME IS A REAL CHARACTER??????

I THOGUTH HE WAS A JOKE

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u/Sorvetefrito 4d ago

I suppose you are talking about Solid JJ video and yes, he is real. Solid JJ exagerate but everything that he makes fun of actually happens in the comics.

here's a video of the history of Snowflame if you want

And to fuck up your mind

Zarbar from "Joker's new sidekick" is a real character aswell.

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u/shosuko 4d ago

Idiocracy was a satire on the decent to anti-intellectualism, yet characters like this make people defend the ignorance.

I know ppl like to pretend this guy was actually god 'b/c he let the smart ppl do stuff' but he was about to kill him with the rest of the mob.

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u/WingedSalim 4d ago

At least President Comacho seems to genuinely want what's best for the country, rather than now where it looks like the president is actively malicious against his own people.

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u/ParmAxolotl 4d ago

Dr. Facilier

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u/MoonlightDahling 4d ago edited 4d ago

The titular character of Carmilla.

She was explicitly intended as a lesbophobic cautionary tale, for young girls.

But sapphic women thoroughly reclaimed the character.

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u/lunarwarrior12 4d ago

With her romance in the hammer movie “the vampire lovers” being played actually pretty seriously. Which is wild because it’s a British movie from the 70’s.

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u/KoshiLowell 4d ago edited 4d ago

Amelia from Pathways

the Anti-Immigration Goth Girl that people unfortunately latched onto

It didn't help the "Game" didn't really do a good job overall with it's messaging.

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u/Seenuan 4d ago

She was also anti police state and against total surveillance of ordinary citizen

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u/Reasonable-Pear9122 4d ago

"Do more research into an issue" was a bad option. What were they thinking

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u/Southern_Passenger85 4d ago

From what i remember she is one of the developers self inserts

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u/Mad-myall 4d ago

The more I learn about this game the more certain I am that the devs fucked up the "intended" message on purpose. 

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