r/centrist • • 3d ago

Ukraine’s Vulnerability Grows as Starlink Is Restricted and Russia Escalates

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/14/world/europe/ukraine-starlink-energy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.IlE.PjE2.2rjlV4MXUmp_
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u/Urdok_ 3d ago

Ukraine found access to Starlink limited without warning, which caused several missions to fail. This comes on the heels of President Trump demanding Ukraine stop attacks on Russian energy production facilities. Musk, a Trump ally, is the chief executive of Starlink and has previously used that position to prevent Ukraine from achieving military successes.

Comments: This is treason. Musk and Trump are helping Putin, who is funding and sharing intel with Iran.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

There is no doubt that some ukrainians would have died as a result of this. Just horrendous that republicans voted for this, that others couldn't have been bothered to show up to vote or those that were so high minded as to vote third party. They all contributed to the never list of shit that has resulted from Trump.

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u/BolbyB 3d ago

Ah yes, put none of the blame on the party that trotted out Kamala freaking Harris instead of a viable candidate . . .

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u/Educational_Impact93 2d ago

No candidate can be viable when a bunch of inbred mouth breathers really believe stuff like "I'll lower prices on day one."

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u/BolbyB 2d ago

I mean . . .

Joe Biden turned out to be pretty viable against Trump and he wasn't even a particularly inspiring candidate.

Good enough is good enough to beat Trump.

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u/Irishfafnir 2d ago

At some point, Republicans should probably acknowledge that they overwhelmingly choose Trump to be their candidate again. Democrats aren't the only ones with agency in this country

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u/BolbyB 2d ago

Chorn already had those on their list.

It was already covered, so no need for me to make my comment needlessly longer.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

I'm sure that Harris would have done this as well...

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u/BolbyB 3d ago

Wow.

Just completely ignoring the point eh?

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

The fucking irony.

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u/BolbyB 3d ago

How is that ironic?

You tried to put the blame on literally everyone except the dem party.

I pointed out that they should also be shouldering some of the blame.

That is not irony. That is a correction.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

Yes, lets put the blame on the people that tried to stop this shit but failed, instead of the people that either supported this shit or did absolutely nothing to stop it.

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u/BolbyB 2d ago

Tried to stop it?

My dude they spent months pretending Joe Biden was perfectly fine and in those months the best "break glass in case of emergency" they could come up with was a candidate who got thoroughly demolished by every other option in the previous primary.

You can't complain about losing when you trot out garbage. Even if said garbage doesn't stink as badly.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

Yes, again, tried to stop it. You can say it was done incompetently as much as you want.

But then compare to people that either expressly supported it or couldn't be bothered to do the simplest thing and put their vote against it.

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u/jeha4421 2d ago

None of this is the dems fault. None of it. This is entirely Trump and his dumb as rocks supporters.

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u/BolbyB 2d ago

They had already beaten Trump by giving us a Joe Biden who was uninspiring sure, but at least fine.

And that was all it took to route Trump.

The dems are absolutely to blame for knowing how to beat Trump and then refusing to trot out a candidate of similar quality.

They chose Kamala and made the matchup garbage vs stinkier garbage instead of good enough vs garbage like they should have.

Making themselves vulnerable by running a weak candidate is on them.

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u/jeha4421 2d ago

They ran the vice president of the uninspring but fine president.

Harris was more than qualified for the job.

Trump after J6 should never have been given anywhere close to the number of votes to win presidency.

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

Unreal. We are the Bond villains.

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u/btribble 3d ago

Well, they are. You’re the poor SOB that gets pushed into the lava filled moat on a whim.

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

I feel like I'm not even cool enough for that. I'm like, one of the guys that gets killed by oddjob in the background I think.

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u/btribble 3d ago

Hat ricochet victim #3

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's ok you can say their names. Who is responsible? Russians were Nazis when they allied with Nazi Germany and slaughtered the Polish in ww2 and they're still Nazis now.

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

I feel like I'm missing some context that would help me understand what you're talking about. Were you replying to someone else?

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago

No I was talking to you. But I think everyone in here are all talking about the Russian stooges in the US and pedophile Putin's incompetence. Thank you for checking.

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

Thank you for clearing that up.

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago

Anyone anywhere in the world that supports Russia and their genocide against Ukraine is a Russian stooge or worse. Slava ukrani!

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

Again, I just like, don't understand why you are saying any of this to me.

Did you perceive my "bond villain" comment as being like, pro russia? Are you agreeing with me in a very confusing way? Lol, what is going on?

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago

lol whoa we're just talking about Russia. Why is that a problem?

Anyone anywhere in the world that supports Russia and their genocide against Ukraine is a Russian stooge or worse. Slava ukrani!

Why is that statement so angering? Sorry.

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u/SonofHondoBelmondo 3d ago

No I'm not angry, I'm confused.

I really am talking to a bot aren't I hahaha

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u/TheLeather 3d ago

Ukraine needs to keep hitting bot farms

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago

All bot farms and oil processing facilities. lol Putin can't defend Moscow even with Trmps help.

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u/mymomknowsyourmom 3d ago

lol yeah Moscow is burning but I'm sure you know that already. Do Russian bots all believe that Russia allied with Nazi Germany during ww2? It's true. Do you agree?

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u/tribbleorlfl 3d ago

BBC reported this morning Elmo actually doesn't control StarShield, the Pentagon does. This order came from the top.

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u/ubermence 3d ago

We’re having scattered reports about it being back up but the fact that it ever went down in the first place because our president is a petulant manchild is a black mark on our country.

Also feels a lot like Elon aiding and abetting an enemy to the US, but I’m not a lawyer soooo…

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u/Urdok_ 3d ago

This is not about Trump being petulant. This is about him sabotaging an ally because he wants business deals with Russia and personally likes Putin. He's a traitor and this is treason.

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u/LittleKitty235 3d ago

He clearly is getting information of kompromat from Russia that he uses for political leverage, both on his political opponents and allies.

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u/ubermence 3d ago

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B

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u/Odd-Local9893 3d ago

This is Trump pressuring Ukraine to come to the negotiating table. What I don’t understand is why is it always a stick with Zelensky and a carrot with Putin? Maybe I’m just naive to the bigger picture.

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u/btribble 3d ago

Trump laundered money for Russia via real estate transactions for years. They, along with Saudi Arabia, currently invest in and help drive his cryptocurrency ventures.

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u/rzelln 3d ago

The pathetic part to me is that Trump even fucking cares about having more money or power. It's such a broken psychology for someone who can achieve anything with their wealth to have no drive other than to stay on top of their teetering pile.

It's hoarder behavior.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

B/c trump is a thug and believes in large powers having their sphere of influence, and has no regard for human rights, democracy, alliances, etc.

And that comes out in both the formal NSS and NDS docs his admin put out. PDF links below, worth a peruse if you haven't already.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

https://media.defense.gov/2026/Jan/23/2003864773/-1/-1/0/2026-national-defense-strategy.pdf

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u/Conn3er 3d ago

Putin has nukes and is an adversary we have no control over and Zelensky is the dependent.

Cant be seen as being hostile to the adversary or giving preferential treatment to the "ally"

The bigger picture, if you believe the Russians, is that they are preparing to go scorched earth on Ukraine when the ground freezes; there is a lot of incentive to try and have a deal made in the coming weeks and the only way to get the deal done is to placate the ego and force the hand, respectively. If Trump could force both hands, he would, but it's not effective.

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u/Opposite-Cranberry76 3d ago

There is no strategy of this kind happening. He's been a willing asset of Russia for decades. He's betraying every ally. It's not deep. There is no 3d chess.

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 3d ago

We know who the bad guys are in this scenario. Trump, Putin, Musk. That's all you need to know.

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u/GrowthDue5259 3d ago

I miss the good ole days when America stood up to autocrats in order defend democratic values. Ww2, the Cold War. Is America becoming great again by aligning ourselves with autocrats?

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u/I_Tell_You_Wat 3d ago

Once again, I am begging Democrats to be the "hold the current regime accountable at every level". Who made the decision to cut off Starlink? Who directed them to? Who else was included in the decision?

The only question should be "how many years?"

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

Musk confirmed it was Trump.

Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the US government. Any limits on speed or usage are decided by the US military and ultimately POTUS. Starlink is a commercial service owned and controlled by SpaceX. Usage of Starlink is limited to civilian or defensive activities and cannot be used for offensive military action, as doing so would be inappropriate for a commercial company.

https://nitter.cf/elonmusk/status/2110445577184133456

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u/I_Tell_You_Wat 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't believe that he is telling the full story here. I don't believe the Ukrainian military would rely on a private/commercial Starlink connection. Starlink has burned them before, I remember their Internet getting shut down during a counterattack. I'm pretty sure this is an agreed-upon connection, that the USA keeps fucking with then saying "it's only defensive". This sure seems like a defensive operation, even.

The Ukrainian military has a contract. I don't believe the contract says what Elon Musk, known liar and Nazi-salute thrower, implies it does. The executive branch executes laws and contracts. It does not make them up.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

Sure, obviously a short tweet in the best of times isn't going to be the full story, let alone when the person tweeting it is a turd like musk. But if he is not going to point the finger at trump unless it was trump.

I don't believe the Ukrainian military would rely on a private/commercial Starlink connection.

yes and no. it is a starlink provided system, but it is administered by the pentagon (as Musk is saying in his tweet). ideally ukraine wouldn't rely on either US or starlink, but there isn't another alternative that is remotely as capable.

Starshield is a program Starlink offers to the US govt. Ukraine is contracting with US govt to use Starshield.

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u/Anima6778 3d ago

I think Starshield wasn't really around at the time the war first kicked off/caused those incidents. I think the implication is that Ukraine's on a Starshield system (controlled by the US, only designed by SpaceX) and that's how Trump fucked them over.

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u/Dry-Nectarine-3279 3d ago

I think it's plausible. Elon and Starlink is ultimately in the US jurisdiction and under the government's power. Hard to know who to trust though.

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u/ChornWork2 3d ago

it was already known, just citing musk b/c makes it clear to folks who don't know the background of what Starshield is (the defense subsidiary of Starlink) and how ukraine has access (via the pentagon).

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u/Honorable_Heathen 3d ago

The idea that Elon pulled access because Ukraine hit Yandex where the bot farms that impact the election of almost every country is one that has legs.

The man is spending 300m~ to influence the election. I can only imagine how much is gong to bot farms in Russia.

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u/Bobinct 2d ago

Musk, and Trump have opened another front against Ukraine.

I can't believe this is coming from Republicans. At the same time they are screaming about communist Democrats.

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u/memphisjones 3d ago

Putin is so happy how everything is playing out.

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u/Bobinct 2d ago

America supports Ukraine. Unfortunately Trump and the GOP do not.

Vote Blue or Russia wins.

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u/shoot_your_eye_out 3d ago

This is so evil. And the idea that a private citizen wields the power to influence the outcome of geopolitical conflict is honestly a fucking batshit crazy idea

Edit: starlink should be seized and nationalized. Call me a socialist if you like, but the idea that a single person has this sort of power is utterly insane

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u/Dry-Nectarine-3279 3d ago

I don't see how Europe can't treat the US as hostile at this point.  Yes, I know there's nuance and balance in diplomacy, but that's the direction things are going.

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u/ltron2 2d ago

When the US fascist regime is working to bring fascism to our shores under the guise of 'saving Western civilisation' then it's difficult not to think that we shouldn't be in any way dependent and that their efforts must be resisted (I hope that strong measures are being taken behind the scenes).

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u/Educational_Impact93 3d ago

The Temusolini really can't stand that Ukraine has defied his predictions and remained competent for this many years. Well that and he's making his BFF Putin look bad.

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u/Individual_Lion_7606 3d ago

Musk does know that Ukraine has intellivence OPs who can check notes bomb and kill Russian wartime bussiness men inside Moscow unstopped right? 

Why is he playing with fire?