r/classicwow • u/eer_00 • 8h ago
Forever Paid addons being advertised during the duel tournament
GJ blizz
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u/remakeprox 8h ago
Even with the disclaimer saying it's not officially supported by or affiliated with Blizzard, it's still weird to see paid addons being advertised. Shouldn't even be allowed in the game
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u/MeltBanana 6h ago
It technically isn't allowed in the game. It's against ToS to have paid addons.
But Blizzard doesn't enforce it even follow their own ToS (Aggrend himself uses this addon, literally violating ToS of his own game).
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u/remakeprox 6h ago
Eh paid addons and paywalled functionalities within the addon are against ToS. RestedXP has gotten away with it (and this one will probably do too) because the entire functionality of the addon is free. You just don't get much out of it without the correct textfile guides, which are paid but technically not part of the addon functionality themselves.
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u/trogger93 6h ago
No, they are against the TOS, you cannot charge for any services even related to an addon. Blizzard just doesn't enforce it.
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u/Ohmie122 6h ago
I hate to say it but this is misinformation. What restedxp does is not against tos on a technical level because the guides are technically separate from the addon, this is why they do it that way.
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u/trogger93 6h ago
It is very clearly. Restedxp guides are 'services related to an addon'. How would they possibly not qualify as such?
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u/mongbatstar 6h ago
The add-on is a guide loader, you can create and load in your own guides or guides from other sources, which as restedxp
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u/atomacheart 5h ago
You have defined publishing a guide as a service related to an addon. Others disagree, probably including Blizzard themselves as they haven't taken any action.
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u/trogger93 5h ago
They've never actioned any addons including clearly paid ones (weakaura packs, streamer addon packs), so there's no evidence of anything they consider against TOS. They just don't enforce it at all.
RXP is also a paid guide that requires an addon I dont see how it is not paying for a service relating to an addon.
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u/BluezDBD 3m ago
RXP is also a paid guide that requires an addon I dont see how it is not paying for a service relating to an addon.
I make an addon that does nothing but display text on the screen, is that now against the rules because I need to pay for the Harry Potter books?
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u/atomacheart 5h ago edited 5h ago
A configuration of an addon falls under the same category of a paid guide as far as I can see.
I can recreate exactly those configs if I wanted to by putting in the work myself. The addons are the exact same.
You might not see it the same way as them, but the only opinion that matters of that subjective interpretation is Blizzard themselves as it is their policy to enforce.
So either 1 of 2 things are true.
Blizzard interpret their own policy differently than you do.
Blizzard don't care to enforce that specific clause in their policy even if they do think these addons break it.
Either way, the result is that they are ok with the situation.
And the second is less likely in my opinion as they have banned addons for breaking other aspects of the policy (Carbonite and Zygor before they made changes to become allowed), it makes sense that they would also ban them for this one if they actually believed they fall foul of it.
Edit: Also RXP guides don't technically require the addon. It is human readable and you can just follow it yourself by going to the co-ordinates listed.
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u/fishbake 4h ago
It's clearly against the spirit of the rule, and Blizzard has the discretion to ban any addon they want. They're just choosing not to.
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u/mcbaginns 6h ago
It isn't against ToS. This level of cognitive dissonance is crazy.
Just because you don't like Restedxp, doesn't make it against ToS. Bliz is very clear that guides are a good and not a service and that you can charge for it.
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u/heywhodisis 5h ago
interesting, if I spend money on other goods in the game I'm banned for some reason. Wonder why that is
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u/MertBot 3h ago
It's because you're buying an in-game item. A text file on your computer that an addon can read isn't an in-game item, it's a text file on your computer. You can't have gold stored as a file on your PC, it only exists as a part of the game itself, that's the difference.
It's not really that different to having a PDF of a strategy guide that you overlay on top of your WoW window. Having an addon read it and add an arrow to the coordinates doesn't make it an in-game item.
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u/Hibernator_X 8h ago
It's run by a cartel and is effectively a rigged rmt event with goofy exploit rules run by a guy whose name is a d--- joke and is being promoted by Blizzard. Not sure why you thought integrity was a thing here.
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u/InnerVariety2577 8h ago
Everything about this tournament has sucked for forever. Streamers asking for class changes specifically for this tournament and blizzard actually listening and making said changes. They are gonna continue catering to no lifers/ streamers and in 6 months when they all leave the game will suck for casual players
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u/WongersPhase 8h ago
Blizzard explicitly said the balance team doesn't give a shit about the tournament or level 30 balance
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u/Vyniron 6h ago
i mean of course they would say that its not like they would come out and say that if they did the outrage would be crazy. actions speak louder than words and its pretty coincidental that we would see and hear streamers crying about something and then blizzard would change it a day later and that happened more than once.
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u/quagmirranseye 7h ago
Nah Im sure Frost Blast was something the devs thought was super important and had to get priority lol
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u/WongersPhase 7h ago
The developers have stated multiple times they wanted to add more buttons for frost mage.
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u/heywhodisis 5h ago
They really need more ways to proc FoF so they can spam insta extremely skillful 2k crits
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u/WongersPhase 5h ago
Mage is right down at the bottom tier currently, you can check the stats for the tournament lmao
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u/Valuable_Berry_8626 7h ago
Curious that all these changes always come after the complaints and excused with "yeah we totally were already going to do it".
Somehow all these things have been in development but come out as buggy messes a week after they are complained about.
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u/TheCocoBean 7h ago
Half the mages in classic: "This needs fixing blizz"
Streamer: "this needs fixing blizz."
Blizz: "ok so we fixed mages."
R/classic: "They only fix it when the streamers say it"
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u/Valuable_Berry_8626 7h ago
Half the mages in classic didn't even know r1 frostbolt was a button you should bind.
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u/xPetr1 6h ago
???
You can still use rank 1 frostbolt at 30 because the level difference is not big enough.
Frostblast is something they added for lvl 60 pvp.
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u/quagmirranseye 6h ago
You can but your proc chances are miniscule, which is why frost blast was added with normal proc chances.
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u/MinimumInternal838 7h ago
Blizzard has NEVER lied. EVER. /s
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u/FitAd6887 8h ago
Yet they balanced based on the level 30 bracket. They suck streamers
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u/WongersPhase 8h ago
They didn't, you're just delusional
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u/essjay281 7h ago
Cmon their actions and words dont align at all.
"Doesn't give a shit about tournament." Id prefer they didn't but...
moved the stress test so server was stable for it.
sussy patchnotes
used dev time to make the duel area instead of making the game better.
did the pvp pod 2 days before tournament.
literally had the tournament organiser saying saying blizzard are trying to hotfix an issue because of the tournament. But not likely to hit until tomorrow.
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u/FitAd6887 8h ago
You missed some patch notes the last few weeks.
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u/PPLifter 8h ago
What are your examples?
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u/FitAd6887 8h ago
Penance, Ice Lance, Racials, SP on Wands.
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u/NommySed 7h ago
Bruh. They literally admited wands were bugged and they definetely dont want every single caster class to level with wands over spells.
Racials got nerfed cause this whole subreddit was bitching about them, and it was almost every time talking about endgame sims, not the tournament.
Ice Lance is genuinely bs and needed nerfs.
Penance was awkward and even on podcast they mentioned smite priest in their raids did too well as a dps. So yeah, that also wasnt tournament.
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u/Turbulent-Leading-34 7h ago
Penance was so broken it doesn’t take a genius to see that it would be the same at 60. You’re a clown for thinking it wasn’t a problem. Ice was doing 100% more damage than it should’ve and nerfed in last patch. And before ice lance was doing no damage because crit was bugged in PvP. Not everything is a conspiracy that it’s for streamers unless you’re making it up in your head
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u/PPLifter 8h ago
How are they specifically balance changes for this tournament rather than balance changes during a beta?
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u/FitAd6887 8h ago
Because you don’t touch classes in a normal beta. It’s for bugs, not dor tuning in a level 30 bracket.
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u/PennFifteen 7h ago
Nope. They have said multiple times they are balancing for end game as well. Theyre not making changes for this tournament. You guys are delusional
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u/GreatBandito 8h ago
They delivered on their design goals of not having weird unexpected interactions the player is just supposed to "know" and really shouldn't be in the game like casting a lvl 1 version of a spell in PvP. If they wanted it to exist, change it and make it not a weird side case like they did the the new Mage spell
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u/InnerVariety2577 8h ago
They shouldn't be making changes to classes period. Beta is for bugs not class tuning. No reason to tune classes based on the opinion of 25% of the forever player base.
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u/Howsetheraven 6h ago
Oh, awesome! I didn't know I could do whatever the fuck I want as long as I explicitly say I'm doing otherwise. Didn't know my words had that much power over reality. Or is that just reserved for multi-billion dollar tech companies?
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u/whoxcaresxixdont 8h ago
Lol for anyone who ever used joanas guide, this addon looks copy pasted, same UI with there little brand on it instead of joanas hunter
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u/julian88888888 8h ago
according to Tom in the Joanna discord
“@everyone They're our partners - rebrand - licensed - Joana's Guides continues - Journey is authorized”•
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u/Blobeh 6h ago
Im so fucking confused, you guys realize this is a community made event right? Blizzard isn't running it. The streamers are advertising, not Blizzard.
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u/fishbake 4h ago
Blizzard is either endorsing it or they're choosing not to enforce their own rules against community tournaments with large prize pools (>$25k), according to their own EULA.
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u/Blobeh 4h ago
All they have to do is allow it, that doesnt mean theyre a part of it
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u/fishbake 4h ago
Allowing it requires written permission from Blizzard, again as stipulated in Blizzard's End User License Agreement / Community Competition License. By giving that permission, they are tacitly endorsing it.
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u/Specialist-Hyena8345 5h ago
Who do you think pays the pricepool?
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u/cptnhanyolo 3h ago
Let's not call it a community event then. Lets call it a streamer event with sponsored content.
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u/Easygame_Easylife 1h ago
I mean it's called a community event and it's financed by the community. They didn't call it a blizzard tournament.
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u/ButteryMalez 6h ago
This is what the tournament was all about. Tips didn't donate 100k, he invested 100k.
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u/Debatably_Doable 6h ago
I'm confused by your comment.
Of course they are going to generate sponsor revenue to cover the costs and generate a return.
None of the above means the tournament wasn't explicitly created to create a community event.
No-one drops $50k (not 100k) on a project without some confidence it'll be successful in both event AND returns.
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u/ButteryMalez 5h ago
it's ok to be confused, I hope your brain starts working better sometime soon, best wishes
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u/Coravel 7h ago
Blizzard has no control over what the streamers advertise, they cant just suddenly end their stream. You should be pissed at the streamers supporting it.
secondly, a paid leveling guide addon is a grey area in their terms of service and has been since 2009 for the sole fact that the guide portion is not code whereas the harness that reads it, is. If you want to be mad at blizzard for not updating their addon TOS since 2009 for this loophole.. then go ahead, but don't pretend like the streamer advertisements during a streamer/player ran, non blizzard sanctioned, tournament are their problem.
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u/fishbake 4h ago
They have the power to ban the tournament, if they had GMs at least. It's either in clear violation of the Community Competition License (which is part of the EULA) or Blizzard is outright endorsing the tournament.
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u/Salamander115 2h ago
You’re right they should stop this free marketing campaign happening for their new IP launch. Microsoft would love to hear that. Grow up you soft little baby. Some of us are enjoying this!
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u/Coravel 3h ago
Just because blizzard has approved the running of the tournament, doesn't mean they get to decide what the streamers advertise. Blizzard can only control things relating to, specifically, the tournament. So things like, who can be a sponsor, how much can be sponsored, entry fee's, prizing, revenue, name of the tournament/event, where the tournament specifically can be shown.
Blizzard, legally, can only control things relating to the tournament and this tournament isn't a violation of the CCL. They obtained permission from blizzard for running it exactly as they are. If they didn't blizzard would've shut it down.
So again, the streamers advertising a paid addon, sits in their TOS grey area, and you should be mad at them. The tournament is following blizzard's rules for its conduct in the game.
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u/fishbake 3h ago
Blizzard, legally, has full control over the game and can enforce whatever rules they like.
Blizzard may, in its sole discretion, at any time, and without notice, change, revoke or cancel this Community Competition License and/or any right licensed under it.
If they don't want something advertised in the tournament, they can have a GM deep sleep every player in the area and teleport them all to the far corners of Azeroth, and then threaten bans if they try to continue the tournament.
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u/Coravel 3h ago
You said it yourself in the first line, OVER THE GAME. Blizzard can only legally control what happens within the game. There is ZERO chance, they say you can't stream our game on twitch, ever.
the only thing outside the game they have control of, is where they want it to be shown, to get their stamp of approval or who is allowed to sponsor. They can't control other entities like twitch, because of their EULA. That also applies to twitches policies where streamers can advertise whatever products they want within their policy.
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u/fishbake 3h ago
Well what are they going to be streaming if Blizzard removes them from the game? That's my point. Blizzard controls the game, and if the people running and competing in the tournament can't access the game, then there is no tournament.
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u/Coravel 3h ago
The post is about being angry about the paid leveling guide addon being advertised during the tournament, not the tournament itself.
These are two separate things. One has a stamp of approval by blizzard and they can only control what happens in game.
The second is a legal gray area that hasn't been addressed since 2009 and they sure as hell aren't going to stop the publicity of the game over a gray area.
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u/fishbake 2h ago
The paid leveling guide is being advertised during the tournament, therefore it is part of the tournament. Blizzard may not have any power over the streams directly, but they do have power over the game. If they are unhappy about the addon being advertised, they have the ability to apply pressure to the tournament runners to either stop advertising it or risk having the tournament stopped.
As for your last point, that goes back to my original post. By doing nothing, they are basically saying they are okay with the paid addon.
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u/WINGSTERR 3h ago
Do you realize how everyone would absolutely hate Blizzard if they did that?
You are the type of guy to be here after they've done that and complain about it, now they didn't do that, so you complain about something else instead
Wake up
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u/WongersPhase 7h ago
The add-on is free, the guide you choose to load into it can be paid or it can be free. It's your choice which guide you load into the add-on.
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u/DushkuHS 2h ago
People pay to advertise things that bring them money. It makes the most sense to do so to those who might actually be interested.
GJ OP
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u/Waterisyummy22 5h ago
Are you new to the internet ? Paid addons have been pushed by streamers for years
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u/Raptor_Jetpack 3h ago
anyone that needs a leveling guide is a giga-loser lol, the game aint that hard.
and anyone that PAYS for one is an even bigger loser.
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u/Frekavichk 1h ago
Tbh I'd probably uninstall if I had to quest without an arrow to follow. It's such a horrible leveling experience.
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u/Freetshirtsplz 30m ago
Watch out, cool guy coming through.
People who've played the game for 20 years love to pretend it's obvious you need to pick up a specific quest before you walk 20 minutes to a new zone.
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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 7h ago
the devs are complicit. fuck this game
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u/mcbaginns 6h ago
You OK bud? How does the existence of Restedxp affect you? Just don't use it and quest natty and enjoy your 15 day journey to 60.
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u/hellyeah222 6h ago
This is not an official Blizzard tournament. Why would the tournament organizers NOT attract sponsors? Are paid Addons against ToS?
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u/Trymv1 6h ago
Yes, they are.
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u/mcbaginns 6h ago
Only thing is this isn't a paid addon and hasn't been for decades.
The guides are goods not services. You can pay for goods related to an addon.
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u/Paintballreturns 6h ago
Yeah, its a very obvious loophole that blizzard wont close because streamers make money off it.
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u/WINGSTERR 3h ago
Why do you think blizzard cares so much about streamers?
You are so obsessed with streamers because of your jealousy and it shows
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u/ianxplosion- 3h ago
This is not an official Blizzard tournament, they’re just facilitating the teleportation to the arenas kek
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u/Warm_Light_9359 2h ago
Such a nothing burger of a post. Literally just reaching for anything to be mad out, some of yall need some fresh air.
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u/Garlic_egg 1h ago
I don't even care for dungeons and even I'm shaking my head at how the people that make the addon hang out regularly with the wow dev that is nerfing dungeon xp.
Like there is a big conflict of interests there and it makes so much sense why they keep dragging their feet on giving it a proper fix
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u/handiman87 47m ago
Such a nothing burger of a comment. Literally just reaching for anything to be mad about, some of yall need some fresh air.
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u/Snoo-28829 8h ago
Welcome to wow. Retail has "paid addons" only subscribe to my patron for full UI setup. Classic also has it. This is not new
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u/Zunoth 7h ago
That’s not an addon, it’s an important string.
I use Atrocity because I’m too lazy to set up my own, Amazon prime easy free sub and move on with your life and never think about it again
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u/Snoo-28829 7h ago
You still "paid" for that setup....
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u/InfectedShadow 4h ago
Yeah you pay for that person's specific settings they put together. The add-ons you import them into are free and you're free to just recreate their style manually.
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u/mcbaginns 6h ago
That's not how it works. You're over simplifying it.its a good related to an addon. Not a service. Therefore allowed. Blizzard is very clear that guides are explicitly not against ToS. It's not a grey area just because you don't like their decision
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u/AspirantRK 6h ago edited 5h ago
What paid addon? or is this more crazy restedxp misinformation lmao
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u/Thormourn 8h ago
Addon is free. You can download it right now on curse for free. Stop lying
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u/IAmZackTheStiles 7h ago
What even is the add-on? I keep seeing people compare it to RXP but don't show a name
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u/eer_00 7h ago
You can download a useless version so idiots like you say "it's free" while they actively advertise discount codes on the stream.
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u/PunIntended_65 7h ago
The addon is free like Rested XP, how is it no one cares when Rested XP sponsors YouTubers/Streamers and even aggrend uses it but now it's a problem ? lol people are something else
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u/Valuable_Berry_8626 7h ago
Anyone can create whatever script for the addon they want. They provide you with a ready base to use and import your own leveling guide into. Why not take advantage and do that?
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u/mcbaginns 6h ago
Because they cant. They're entitled and want it for free or for it to not exist at all if they can't get it for free. Casuals who scorn minmaxxing simultaneously hate being out minmaxxed
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u/Thormourn 7h ago
the addon is free, the guides are not, how is this hard to understand? its not against tos to have guides be paid, it is against tos to have an addon be paid, stay mad.
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u/trinquin 4h ago
This many posts about addons cam only be done as an advertisement themselves for these addons. Like it is my opinion that these posts are done to advertise the addon itself.
Like who the hell cares. Use it if you want. Or don't.
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u/Worth_Performer7357 8h ago
Aggrend already downloaded it