It's all overly shredded men with insane proportions doing ridiculous poses.
I think another angle of it is that men aren't as against being sexualized and unless it overtly appeals to them because their gay/bi. they just gloss over it. Conan, jojo, fist of the north star, "manime" in general, etc.
If you find no appeal in the male form like me, this shit is just cool. Im just aware that this is kind of the same thing as above.
Almost naked greasy buff dudes doing goofy poses while doing stereotypical manly things, with their junk regularly emphasized.
edit: I want to add a little addendum to this.
If you read this whole mess of a thread, i think (or atleast I hope) you might take away not so much as changing your entire world view, but rather the nuance of what I'm trying to get across.
I have my opinions, you have yours, but i hope at the very least the nuance of it is something that can be communicated. Even within this thread I have reached agreeable conclusions with those i was debating.
At the end of the day I suppose the only thing we can ever take away is our own conclusions.
Women's first experience with being sexualized is nearly getting kidnapped from the mall at age 12, men's first experience with being sexualized is just not a thing that happens for 80% of men. And even really hot men that do get objectified or sexualized are generally safe when they are.
It's just a completely different average life experience.
Almost every guy I know is a victim of CSA or sexual harassment as a minor. You're making life worse for victims by weaponizing what we go through for gender war shit. It's fucking disgusting. Just stop.
Acknowledging that men are uncomfortable being sexualized is NOT an attack on NORMAL women. It's just an attack on women who feel entitled to sexualize strangers but don't want to be associated with who they deem "the villain".
I was an infant the first time I was sexualized. My mother still talks about it like it's funny. I've been SAed more than once this year alone.
My partner's mother was, and is, a sex addict. He's a victim of CSA and SA.
My brother is a victim of CSA.
Statistically, 1 in 6 men ADMIT to experiencing SA and men are significantly more likely to minimize their own experiences.
I promise you, you know a LOT of male victims but because you say shit like this, they simply don't feel comfortable telling you about it because they know the first thing you'll do is compare them to a woman.
This seems a bit like arguing for the sake of arguing? He still said about 20% of men experience sexual assualt, which is more than your 1 in 6 even. And yeah, on average, men are in a safer position when women when SA happens, and on a societal level these are issues of a completely different magnitude. I don't think it's useful to male SA victims to do this whole song and dance every time someone makes that distinction, rather than putting that energy into something more fruitful.
Edit: before I get a ton of arguments about me not getting it, let me get this out of the way. I'm a trans woman. Before my transition, I was SA'd. When I was 13, I was alone on the bus. An old man came to sit next to me. Cornered me. Groped me and touched me throughout the bus ride. I remember how scared I was, shooting glance upon glance of desperation to the bus driver who did nothing. It was horrible. I know a lot of men who have gone through the same, and many others much much worse. And they should get the support they need.
But ever since I came out as a trans woman, I've had experiences similar to that, and a lot scarier, much more frequently.
Hey, just want to point out that the sexual assault you experienced isn't what is counted in that 1 in 6 figure for men (or, similarly, the 1 in 4 figure for women). That 1 in 6 figure is for rape specifically, not just sexual contact.
For men and women, the rates of sexual contact of any kind shoot way up, with women hitting a staggering 80% and men at 40%. Many think the number of men is way lower than is reported, due to social factors. I know I'm terrified to experience the sexual assault I experienced as a teen because I know people are judgy, especially since 2 out of 3 perpetrators were girls.
The figure for men is actually higher than 40% now depending on the study you look at for it. It gets higher every year with more awareness about it coming out.
I'm trans masc, you can stfu about women "having it worse". Being a trans woman doesn't make you any less sexist.
It's 1 in 4 women vs 1 in 6 men and men are less likely to admit it. The numbers for BOTH are said to be much higher.
NO you're not "safer" as a man when getting FUCKING RAPED.
On a SOCIETAL LEVEL rape is equally bad and men having a harder time reporting it and often not being taken seriously when they do, because they're men, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to them just as often.
If someone is willing to rape you, they're are equally willing to kill you if they think you'll say something.
If a man is raped and murdered, you won't be able to tell unless they were also sodomized.
Rape is often about control and control over a man carries more weight than control over a woman. You're also less likely to get caught and can defend yourself easier than if you'd have raped a woman. There is more incentive to rape a man.
I have been raped twice this year.
I'm genderfluid and refuse to have sex in boy mode because I REFUSE to get raped as a man. I isolate that experience to me as a woman. If I am boy moding I stay in a powerful position or otherwise return to the state of being a woman.
You are hurting ALL victims by minimizing how often rape happens to ALL PEOPLE.
We need equal protections or we end up ALL suffering for it.
I'm not saying you're safer as a man than as a woman when you get raped.
What you went through is horrible and I'm not saying you don't deserve the same protection women do because you're trans masc.
But on a societal level, the sheer levels of magnitude and safety we are talking about between men and women is different on the subject of SA as a whole. You can ignore that for ideological purposes if you want, I can understand why you would in the position you are in. But I'm also not gonna pretend they are the same.
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u/jbyrdab 14h ago edited 10h ago
I mean if we wanna be fair.... Araki...
It's all overly shredded men with insane proportions doing ridiculous poses.
I think another angle of it is that men aren't as against being sexualized and unless it overtly appeals to them because their gay/bi. they just gloss over it. Conan, jojo, fist of the north star, "manime" in general, etc.
If you find no appeal in the male form like me, this shit is just cool. Im just aware that this is kind of the same thing as above.
Almost naked greasy buff dudes doing goofy poses while doing stereotypical manly things, with their junk regularly emphasized.
edit: I want to add a little addendum to this.
If you read this whole mess of a thread, i think (or atleast I hope) you might take away not so much as changing your entire world view, but rather the nuance of what I'm trying to get across.
I have my opinions, you have yours, but i hope at the very least the nuance of it is something that can be communicated. Even within this thread I have reached agreeable conclusions with those i was debating.
At the end of the day I suppose the only thing we can ever take away is our own conclusions.