r/delta • • 5h ago

Image/Video Delta One going down hill

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On DL126 JFK->MAD. Paid D1. We’re on a 767-300ER(K). I’ve never been in a D1 cabin this small. Normally this would be at least a 767-400. No Bluetooth to the tiny monitor. Lay flat is short, so there won’t be any sleep on this 8:35 pm- 9:55 am flight. What a waste of $$. I’ve had better premium economy experiences. 😔

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u/DCA_PSCI 5h ago

Yeah all the fan boys go silent when forced to defend this crap product on the 763s. 

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 5h ago

No they're here, blaming op for not doing their research even though the plane was switched changing the D1 configuration.

There is no end to the excuses for the subpar product.

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u/Tyler_w_1226 5h ago

Exactly, it’s crazy that you can do your research and pay high dollar for a product and then get last minute shoved into something that is literally not what you paid for. It’s like an entirely different product on each of their aircraft.

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u/BillyRosewood99 3h ago

“Do your research”. What losers defend this company and say stuff like that? It should be a customer expectation that it’s a good experience and not get stuck on a jalopy bc bad luck and delta didn’t update their planes

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u/gingerbeard1321 2h ago

Corporate America loves lowered expectations

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u/Inigomntoya 2h ago

"Gone down hill"

OP literally on the ground floor of D1.

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u/YMMV25 5h ago

I had one on here a week or two ago trying to argue with my claiming this is one of the worst J products out there.

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u/buddydc4 5h ago

That’s 100% unacceptable..!! Imagine paying out of pocket for this BS………😩

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u/LBBflyer 5h ago

It's the oldest D1 cabin and quite infamous. Recommend doing a little research before spending $$ on D1.

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u/jbbb3232 5h ago

It’s inexcusable they even fly these pieces of shit on these routes

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u/i_wanted_to_say 5h ago

Better than canceling for the night?

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago

Last minute substitute yesterday. Actually got a phone call asking if I would be willing to give up PDX->JFK->MAD for PDX to Minneapolis to Amsterdam to Madrid due to an equipment change. The flight went from 34 to 26 D1 seats. PDX was delayed 2.5 hours. Would never have booked a 300ER.

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u/i_wanted_to_say 5h ago

That’s a bummer. The 763 hasn’t really gone downhill though, as it’s never gone uphill to begin with. At least not in 15 years or so since BizElite went away.

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u/________uwu_________ 4h ago

I would be pissed, too. My home airport is JFK and it seems like more than half of the Delta transatlantic flights from here are operated by the 763 or A333. Occasionally, we’d get the 764 or if we are really lucky, the A339.

It’s such a shame because NYC is a huge, important market with a lot of competitions and the D1 lounge at JFK is arguably the best lounge in the country, but Delta doesn’t seem to prioritize assigning aircrafts with competitive and retrofitted/new cabins here. Same thing with our transcontinental service to LAX and SFO — almost always a 763 with these “D1 Historic” cabins.

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u/LBBflyer 5h ago

Fair enough. An equipment swap is always a risk, but nothing you can really do. I suppose at that point it becomes a question if you'd rather travel a day later, connect through CDG/AMS, or just be on the 763.

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u/FunLife64 3h ago

Sure but this is out of JFK for crying out loud. They should cut routes if they can’t swap out to a plane that’s not this…

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u/snozzberrypatch 2h ago

They only made $3.3 billion in profit in the last year, they can't afford new planes.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 1h ago

Think of the shareholders!!

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u/LBBflyer 3h ago

DL flies many international and premium domestic routes out of JFK on the 767-300. It's not something they have shyed away from. They have also said they will not upgrade them before they are retired.

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u/FunLife64 3h ago

Well, that’s embarrassing lol

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u/drivefor6iny2k 3h ago

Why does Delta have 6 different configs and why the hell does it take them so long?

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u/trailerbang 1h ago

shareholders first.

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u/gyang333 1h ago

I think the 7th (LATAM A359) is gone, but soon the A350-1000 will be introduced and we are back to 7 different configurations again

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u/Affectionate-Ant8 2h ago

Zip it up after you’re done fanboy

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u/New-Passenger-6101 1h ago

Shouldn’t have to do research when spending money on D1

That’s the whole point of spending that money I want to be to turn my brain off and trust that I’m going to be taken care of….

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u/posted3030 1h ago

Great advice! Never do research.

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u/TheTurdFerguson6 41m ago

I’m sure they didn’t feed you, refill your drink 4+ times and come by with multiple snack options. Definitely didn’t take care of you up there.

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u/NShelson 3h ago

Well said when I go on my first D1 I want a a350 or a330 Neo

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u/sunflowerofmd 6m ago

What a nonsensical response.

What if one does their research, whatever the fuck that means, sees the plane is a 350 with a beautiful d1 cabin, and last minute Delta swaps the plane and uses this piece of shit?

What happens to your “research” then?

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u/radar1989 Diamond 5h ago

The D1 Suites on A359s don’t have Bluetooth connectivity either. I think some aircraft has it but it’s very rare.

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u/harkeyone Diamond 5h ago

I Tavel with a transmitter, $20 dollars or so.

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u/sd_diver59 4h ago

Or use their over the ear headphones. The PDX-JFK leg had a much larger screen that worked with my AP Pros. This is like my 10th D1 trans Atlantic trans Pacific flight. They’ve all been great till now. Gave up United Premier 1k and switched to Delta because of D1. Or should I say D1 Classic?

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u/Affectionate-Ant8 2h ago

Calling them suites is a stretch too

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u/bdubwilliams22 2h ago

Because Delta has a garbage product on brand-new planes. It’s absurd that people still think Delta is a premium experience.

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u/LeoKitCat 1h ago edited 55m ago

No it’s because Delta was the first airline in the world to unveil an all suite business class with doors in 2016-2017, and 10 years ago no business class entertainment systems had Bluetooth connectivity that’s a relatively new thing. Everyone copied the Delta D1 concept that’s how popular it is, but you shouldn’t expect that only 9 years after that they are going to totally replace those first a350 D1 suites.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 1h ago

Best domestic airline and not even close. The Debbie Downers here need to hop in their cars and just drive everywhere.

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u/Inigomntoya 2h ago

Buy headphones with a cable or get a transmitter.

I wouldn't want to pair my headphones with a random bluetooth transmitter anyway.

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u/JPin919 5h ago

That’s just the old delta one. It’s not going downhill technically. It’s not going uphill fast enough. They sell these as if it’s that newer experience.

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u/xphyria 2h ago

Honestly, there's no excuse for these D1 seats. The only positives they have are, it lies flat (at least) and all seats have direct aisle access. That's it. Everything else is a negative.

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago

This is my first Delta Reddit post. Thanks to all of the constructive replies - I appreciate it. Lesson learned - don’t post an issue on Reddit.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 5h ago

Delta has an intense fan base, in which their loyalty is tied to how much money their company's spend on Delta, it's almost never their own money.

Anyone paying their own way will have a critique and the people with status, paid for by their jobs will rush to defend a corporation that does not even know they exist.

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u/but-I-play-one-on-TV 4h ago

This sub started appearing randomly on my main page a while ago even though I almost never fly Delta, and the wildest thing I've noticed in the comments is much stock people put in their their SkyMile title or whatever it is. It's like a badge of honor that they have done nothing to obtain other than be employed by companies that makes them fly for work. It's bizarre.

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u/drivefor6iny2k 3h ago

And the choose to be away from home 200+ days a year. Missing all kinds of family events so they can take 1 free vacation all year long with their miles and rental/hotel points.

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u/wellimthegm 3h ago

That’s absolutely false. I spend my own personal money on Delta and every company I have worked for (small, medium and large) has always had Delta as their most preferred airline. Talk to their B2B sales department — they’re the ones out there doing the sales to companies. But, personally, I stopped flying the other carriers years ago because they absolutely suck. I flew United earlier this year, first class, to Chicago and service and food were awful. Their lounge was also equally bad.

Edit - in this instance - if I paid for D1 and got this shitty configuration, which I’ve flown before but only transcontinental US, I would be complaining to customer relations and expecting a partial refund. I make no excuses for Delta’s aging fleet. I don’t have any clue why they waited so long to start buying planes…

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u/BreakfastOk2392 2h ago

Thankfully my company is airline agnostic and we can book whatever we want. Everyone hates delta where I work.

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u/NecessaryArguments 2h ago

Don’t bitch and moan about your tier 1 experience turning out 1.5. You get a 2? Have at it.

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u/Ibroketherandom 2h ago

I'd say moreso be better with the written language you use. The title "Delta One going down hill" is implying that the entire service across Delta is having problems, which is not the case and will get you flamed out.

If this post had been titled, "Why does Delta still allow these ancient suites to be considered Delta One?", you probably would have had more positive reception. 

It's very pedantic, I know.

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u/uncleconker 20m ago

Or maybe be an informed consumer.

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u/TotalRealistic7337 5h ago

Is this from 2026 or 2006? Seriously

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u/Ok-Necessary123 5h ago

WBC on the NW A330 and 744 in the late ‘00s was way better than this

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u/jdanton14 4h ago

Business Elite on the same plane in that era was much nicer

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u/sjpm55 5h ago

It beats coach, lol.

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago

🤣
Yes it does!

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u/WordWordNvmber 5h ago

OP, based on your comment, you should edit your post to note this was an equipment swap yesterday.

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u/BIGDOOKY28 4h ago

That’s an Ed special

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u/Affectionate-Ant8 2h ago

Need a leadership change

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u/punkslaot 2h ago

Its the most profitable airline in the world. But it needs a leadership change🙄

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u/Affectionate-Ant8 2h ago

Changing consumer sentiment precedes revenue changes. Do you know anything about the markets???

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u/ComputerOverall7337 Platinum 1h ago

I'm not disagreeing with your premise, but how do you know that consumer sentiment is changing for Delta? If Reddit, or any social media site for that matter, is your barometer, then I would encourage you to go look up the other airlines and read about how the grass is pretty much the same over there.

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u/punkslaot 2h ago

It ain't changing. $$

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u/TotalRealistic7337 26m ago

It’s the second most profitable airline in the world, Emirates is the most profitable

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u/Excusemytootie Platinum 3h ago

Why didn’t you DO yOuRe rEsearCh? /s

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u/sd_diver59 3h ago

I did. 767 400 was replaced less than 24 hours before takeoff

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u/Effective_Theme_5739 3h ago

/s, it was satire

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u/MacaulayConnor 4h ago

On one particularly travel-heavy year I had occasion to fly business class on four different airlines, and D1 was the least impressive, I assume because it’s just older and hasn’t kept up. I’m not terribly surprised. But I’d think with some of the highest ticket prices, they’d be able to keep it updated.

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u/TellLongjumping6309 4h ago

The 767s were crappy 10 years ago for business class. How is that product still in the air. The company is making billions. Just retire those crappy planes already b

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u/punkslaot 2h ago

Delta LOVES their old ass airplanes

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u/nicemarmot47 5h ago

They always fly their worst planes on that route. I flew it in coach maybe a decade ago and the seat in front of me was broken. When the woman in it reclined her seat twenty minutes into the flight, it flew backwards and slammed into my knees, hurting my knees and the other passengers neck. We spent the whole flight with her bouncing painfully off my lap.

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u/ChrisSydney82 4h ago

Oh this is nasty!

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u/How_do_you_know1 5h ago

Op, I'm so sorry. That's terrible!!!!! Ug. Is there anything good or will you be uncomfortable the whole trip? Ug, sorry. I hope there's something that makes it 1% less worse than it already is.

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago

It’s the start of a wonderful 1 month vacation. I’ll be in Spain tomorrow. Life is good. 😊

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u/NecessaryArguments 3h ago

Think you missed more /s

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u/cjh6793 5h ago

What a joke of a premium airline.

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u/PositiveFunny5880 3h ago

It’s 100% unacceptable on a route like this, but this happens on all airlines unfortunately and is t unique to delta

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u/acreekofsoap 3h ago

You should see steerage

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 1h ago

Best steerage in the skies on a 767, ironically since it's It's 2-3-2 across.

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u/bdubwilliams22 2h ago

Going down hill? I don’t understand how people continue to stick up for Delta. It hasn’t been a good airline for 20 years now.

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u/MaleficentWater8133 1h ago

I change my flight when I'm not familiar with the plane

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u/Icy-Description142 1h ago

It’s gonna be a few years before the 787 replaces them

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 1h ago

I will never pay today's rates for a Delta 767 in business class. They had an opportunity when refreshing to do like United and go 3 across but they didn't. Might as well, like you said OP, stick to Premium Select.

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u/BadGreekMofo25 1h ago

Stopped flying them and they’re way too expensive. All those tiers for a flight is a total joke

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u/Figaro90 1h ago

I’ve never seen that before on delta 1

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u/LeoKitCat 1h ago

I think the mistake Delta made is calling all their widebody business class hard products Delta One, whether they were the new nice suites or these old ones. For these old 763s and the old a332/a333 they should marketed it with another name and price point like Delta Business or something

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u/waterytartwithasword 1h ago

You'd be more comfortable just buying 3 coach seats and using them as a bed at that rate.

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u/DetectiveWinter4638 Platinum 46m ago

Delta has the most inconsistent business class seat of the big 3. And now they are introducing ANOTHER variant - the newly announced d1 seat only coming to the A350-1000, which will be amazing, but will add to the huge gap between best and worst business seat in their fleet.

However, one exciting thing, Delta just ordered over 100 new planes. Plans to retire 767 with 787 Dreamliners as an example. Fingers crossed they get their shit together.

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u/Mean_Row_9533 43m ago

Try the cheap sits in the back. That is the definition of “going down hill”. I wish I had your problems.

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u/smearhunter 34m ago

Is this the same as the standard 767-300 designation when looking at flight itinerary? I'm not familiar with the ER(K) part, but I have a D1 flight labeled as being on a 767-300 next year.

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u/UnhingedPastor 26m ago

Part of the problem is that you're on an old ass 767. As a legacy hot rod, I love those planes, but for long haul comfort, they suck balls.

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u/enduseruseruser 10m ago

Going? It’s been

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u/pvtteemo 5h ago

Going?

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u/ActUpEighty 4h ago

I would have went with Iberia's Recaro CL6720 suite. This is probably the best nonstop lay flat product you'll find between JFK and MAD. Even Air Europa's Stelia Opal beats Delta's B76K product.

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u/steal-yur-face 4h ago

This is disappointing to hear.

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u/mae3mae10 2h ago

Research the plane model when booking. Not all business class seats are the same…

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u/Outside-Ad7848 2h ago

Shouldn't have to do that, Delta needs to not run those, especially at that price 

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u/pnw-nemo 2h ago

I will avoid Delta 767s at all costs. Even if it means having a layover. Those planes suck!

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u/bengenj Delta Employee 2h ago

The modern 767-400ERs are pretty nice

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 1h ago

Yeah and if it's unavoidable, just book premium select.

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u/B727FA 1h ago

There are few, if any airlines that have identical products across their fleets.

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u/Brambleshire 1h ago

It's not even common across plane models. There are at least 3 cabin setups even across 767-300s

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u/bernaltraveler Platinum 30m ago

The UA Polaris seats are pretty darn consistent. There is certainly variability of the cabin quality overall across their fleet, and the Polaris FA crews are a crapshoot, so I’m not saying it’s a panacea, but the hard seat product is quite reliable . UA 767 and 757 Polaris seats are solid. It’s not rocket science and we should not excuse DL having some stinkers roaming the fleet posing as D1. Why customers like you reflexively jump to defend an inconsistent product is beyond me 🤷

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u/jdanton14 4h ago

Just like Singapore and Qatar, basically

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 1h ago

People didn't get your sarcasm which is a shame.

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u/omdongi 5h ago

Lay flat is short, so there won’t be any sleep on this 8:35 pm- 9:55 am flight. What a waste of $$.

This is at least a skill issue on your behalf. You know how short this flight to Europe is. Make better financial decisions.

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u/DarkLordofData 5h ago

Pretty sure the OP is saying the lay flat bed is short which is very true unless you are in the front row. This plane is a POS on any route.

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u/omdongi 5h ago

If they're not talking about the flight being short, why are they specifically mentioning the times?

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u/randomname3415 5h ago

“Lay flat is short” is very clearly talking about the length of the lay flat seat

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u/omdongi 4h ago

It changes none of the circumstance. They know what this seat is, ahead of time, and chose to spend money on it.

And it's most definitely plausible to read this as "Lay flat [time] is short, so there won’t be any sleep on this 8:35 pm- 9:55 am flight". There's really no point in referencing the times, if the sentence is not about the time.

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u/randomname3415 4h ago

The time is to highlight it’s overnight so you would be wanting to get sleep. They mentioned already that there was an equipment swap so no they didn’t purposefully pick a plane with a smaller lie flat. Is reading comprehension really that difficult?

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u/jvybrown12 4h ago

“Downhill” it’s just an old plane man damn

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u/MotherDraw7476 2h ago

Did you pay for that seat or did your company?

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u/FinnishArmy Gold 1h ago edited 1h ago

It’s not going downhill, it’s actually going uphill. You just got unlucky with an old plane they don’t want to redo because of the age. And truthfully, it’s still Delta One, and many will never experience even what you experienced as “suboptimal”. And if you flew the same flight in economy, it would’ve been worse. Furthermore, if this was a new Delta One seat, the ticket price would’ve been hundreds more.

Also, just use Aerolopa and you’ll know EXACTLY what seat you’re selecting on any airline on any plane.

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u/ifitgoesitsgood 4h ago

Here we go again. A known product. A known complaint. And known retirement schedule. This complaint is as tired as the cabin.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 5h ago

Didn’t pay attention to what you were booking? Shame, shame.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 5h ago

It was an equipment swap.

Stop defending a profitable corporation that doesn't even know you exist.

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u/How_do_you_know1 5h ago

So the airline can just swap out without any notice? Terrible.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 5h ago

Stop defending the OP who has thousands to spend on D1 that doesn’t know you exist.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 5h ago

Well that's a swing and a miss.

Sad. I bet you thought you really ate with that one.

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u/BreakfastOk2392 2h ago

It was an equipment swap - not the OPs fault. Delta sucks and keep kicking those boots.

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u/dasrightq 5h ago

You’re so focused on shaming the customer, when it’s the company that’s at fault for selling this as a premium experience.

And this was an equipment swap anyway, you doofus.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 5h ago

That’s Doofus, jackass.

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u/bhalter80 Diamond 5h ago

Why is it on the customer to make sure that the D1 advertised is really D1? When's the last time you tested the 87 octane gas you put in your car to see if it was really 87? How about your Champagne to make sure the grapes were actually grown in the right part of France?

Op could have helped themselves out here, but shouldn't have had to

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago

I did 300+ days ago. The seat websites show this flight as 100% 400. Picked 4B since it supposedly has more legroom (but less storage) than 4C. I did do my homework before spending thousands…

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u/randomname3415 5h ago

It amazes me how many people in this sub will fault the customer and not the company selling this as international business class

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 5h ago

Amazes me how many people in this sub just bitch and moan about every little thing, yet continue to hand over their money to big, bad, Delta.

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u/randomname3415 5h ago edited 5h ago

Do you think OP’s complaint falls under the “every little thing” category? They also mentioned it was an equipment swap so it’s not like they had a choice here. You come off like a pompous asshole.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 1h ago

The pompous assholes are the one that call Ed by name like he’s an acquaintance.

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u/NotMalaysiaRichard 4h ago

You must like to wear knee pads for big bad Delta.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 4h ago

They have diamond status. But most likely paid for by their job. So they're Boot licking for Delta because of their job.

That's just so much worse.

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u/Fine-Nectarine7148 Diamond 1h ago

Soooo much worse. How will I live.

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u/BreakfastOk2392 2h ago

Thankfully I don’t fly delta - I only fly Emirates First Class, Qatar Airways Business Class, Japan Airlines First Class, and Air France La Première.

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u/Large-Sorbet7550 5h ago

Not defending this, but you can look at what plane and the configuration you are flying. There are so many planes, Delta has direct routes to a lot of places in Europe and some of the “secondary destinations” have these older planes. You can fly a newer plane with a better configuration but it means connecting in AMS or CDG

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u/sd_diver59 5h ago edited 5h ago

Typically do. I’ve really enjoyed the direct PDX to Amsterdam in the past. Selected this due to the safer layover in JFK and their D1 lounge. And it was supposed to be a 400.

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u/thecorvetteguy95 2h ago

If you can’t sleep there, that’s a you problem. I’m too tall and broad to fit in the peasant seats and make it work and fall asleep, I’d pass out with that much space.

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u/BuyExpert8479 3h ago

Research next time Betty

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u/DirkDiggler2424 4h ago

Entitled fuck

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u/sd_diver59 4h ago

Seriously? This was basically a bait and switch. Is this comment based on my even having booked D1? If so you’ll hate to hear how I’m returning home…

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u/DirkDiggler2424 4h ago

Doesn’t matter to me. Enjoy your flight and Biscoff

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u/tcspears 5h ago

This is an ancient product, that’s rarely seen anymore. You just got unlucky and got an older aircraft… it can happen with any carrier.