Zelenskyy warns 20M Ukrainians could flee to Europe if Russia wins war.

[u/razdvatri4]

https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-warns-20m-ukrainians-could-flee-to-europe-if-russia-wins-war

[u/Amathyst7564 → u/[deleted]]

Nah he's just now speaking in La Penn and Farage and the AFD's voter base language now.

[u/Novinhophobe → u/Amathyst7564]

And statements such as these make people more likely to vote in the likes the Le Penn so that they can stop the immigrants at the border.

[u/MetawanadanAmonu → u/Novinhophobe]

You can't stop 20M people on any border

[u/iAmHidingHere → u/MetawanadanAmonu]

Well you can, but it will not be humane.

[u/ukezi → u/iAmHidingHere]

That border would have to look a lot like the inner German border back in the day.

[u/iAmHidingHere → u/ukezi]

Or the one between the Koreas.

[u/PinHaunting7192 → u/iAmHidingHere]

Even that won't be enough. Remember that these borders were reinforced by an entire propaganda apparatus as well. Many people did not even try to go.

A 20 million refugee movement over two years (as an example) would mean 26,000 crossings a day across hundreds of kilometers of border.

There would be zero chance policing that. We'd end up with entire refugee tent cities in Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic like the ones in Sudan and East Asia. If Ukraine really emptied out, there is nothing we could do about that. Vote 90% Le Pen or AfD, it won't matter. The numbers alone would overwhelm any national police force in terms of deportations and arrests.

[u/Numenorum → u/PinHaunting7192]

And 1-2 mil of them will be man with extensive military experience very unhappy about the fact that their country was sold to Russia.

[u/iAmHidingHere → u/PinHaunting7192]

I think you missed my points. I don't want to go in to gory details, because I hope no Ukrainian would be forced into this.

[u/PinHaunting7192 → u/iAmHidingHere]

I understand the gory implication very well. It's not hard to understand. But it is a far-right fantasy.

The point is it won't matter. Even if you try to do it the gory way, you'll not stop this amount of refugees. They will be caught between a 0.1% chance to maybe become a victim at the Polish border or a certainty to be living under horrible Russian occupational regulations for the rest of their lives.

Thousands of refugees drowned on the boats in the Mediterranean, yet they kept coming. Even if you somehow did do it that way, how long do you think our own soldiers and police officers would attack innocent women and kids before having a literal mental breakdown? I did my military service in Germany, and if anyone ordered me to open fire on a caravan of women and children passing the border, I'd outright refuse that order.

[u/Lixteris → u/Amathyst7564]

As some said to you, they will now get even more votes and you will be more frustrated.

[u/Piltonbadger → u/[deleted]]

Just people in general these days. The average adult has the reading comprehension of a 12 year old child, at best.

[u/lithuanian_potatfan → u/Piltonbadger]

I work in marketing. Recommended writing is now 6th grade level. Few years ago it was 8th grade

[u/aShyGuyGuy → u/[deleted]]

Ah, that explains the constant brain freeze. Thanks for helping me connect the dots.

[u/000TheEntity000 → u/[deleted]]

don't ascribe idiocy to what is in fact malice and hate

[u/Inuyaki → u/000TheEntity000]

Why not both?

A lot of them are really incredibly stupid. So much they cannot understand normal arguments anymore. Their brains are totally fried.

Just to be clear, "a lot" means not all of them. Some are just only evil.

[u/goodguyLTBB → u/[deleted]]

Half the population has below-average IQ btw

[u/emotional_program0 → u/goodguyLTBB]

Median != average

[u/Sad_Sympathy_5347 → u/[deleted]]

The population is too busy on the hamsterwheel to spare the time and energy to keep track of the massive changes around them. And we certainly don't have excuses like the lack of intelligence.

[u/Radiant-Ad-3134 → u/[deleted]]

I kinda agree with you.

but let me be Dr. BuzzKill... it is impossible for half of the population to have a sub-zero IQ, since it is derived from tests plus statistical model

[u/IonHawk → u/Radiant-Ad-3134]

What if the rest of us are 300+ iQ geniuses?

[u/Radiant-Ad-3134 → u/IonHawk]

then I stand corrected

And if that is the case, I must be the subzero crowd lol

[u/halwahahn → u/Radiant-Ad-3134]

Thank you but we already knew. Hyperbole is s rethorical means

[u/NoSkillzDad → u/[deleted]]

Half? Wow, I found an optimist here!

[u/Maleficent-Bug7998 → u/[deleted]]

Europe needs to lock the fuck in and stop avoiding their problems.

[u/akiv3]

And who benefits from this? Yes, the far rights in Europe. They become even more powerful! We are not prepared for the consequences.

[u/swordmaster3000_ → u/akiv3]

what exactly do you mean?

[u/Nordcorner → u/swordmaster3000_]

I would think he means it will get a lot worse before it gets better...

[u/Nervanx → u/akiv3]

We have to be more nuanced than "left" or "right" to solve this

[u/varingian → u/Nervanx]

Finally someone saying this!

[u/Ainudor]

honestly I feel for the man. The EU had plenty of chances since the annexation of Crimea to make a move. Instead, last year the self righteous EU and EU states still have businesses there, like Raifeisen, Auchan, Nestle, etc. We are a shameful cheap joke.

[u/HarryCumpole → u/Ainudor]

Worse than this, there is a specific company in Finland that is continuing to sell winter tyre studs to Russia, and is actively circumventing EU sanctions by shipping them via Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, having them assembled into tyres in those countries and then onwards into Russia.

We're talking tens of millions of Euros of business and it's happening in plain sight with the employees being completely aware that this is happening.

[u/Tiberinvs → u/HarryCumpole]

Most countries are doing this, Germany and Italian exports to Kyrgyzstan have exploded over the last few years for example

[u/Pulga_Atomica → u/HarryCumpole]

Please don't let it be Nokian

[u/Northernmost1990 → u/Pulga_Atomica]

It's not. Nokian tyres is a billion-euro behemoth; 10 mil is chump change and definitely not worth the bad PR if they were caught doing business with Russia.

[u/HarryCumpole → u/Pulga_Atomica]

No. Nokian Tyres divested from Russia when the war of aggression began. Tatneft (a highly integrated Russian industrial entity) took over their factories and produce tyres under the name "(A)Ikon" which is Nokia backwards. Until October 2025, shipments of billions of winter tyre studs went straight to Ikon in St. Petersburg, and are not being shipping to intermediary countries in order to have their customs classification altered through assembly outside of Russia, yet it is all bought and paid for by Tatneft Group.

This corruption goes deeply north (Finns will know this reference) and into the corridors of ministers also. Not sure if I can say more otherwise SUPO might get involved. haha

[u/NoChanceRight → u/HarryCumpole]

War profiteers, they should be named and shamed for all eternity.

[u/Bicentennial_Douche → u/Ainudor]

Nestle is Swiss, not EU. And companies follow money first and foremost. 

Yes, western parts will end up in Russia regardless of sanctions. Sanctions will make getting the more difficult and expensive, but it won’t stop them. 

[u/Hoskuld → u/Bicentennial_Douche]

Then fine them until it makes economical sense to stop business with Russia if ethical reasons were not enough

[u/Val2K21 → u/Bicentennial_Douche]

Raifeisen and Auchan then. Metro too. And so many others

[u/Ainudor → u/Bicentennial_Douche]

excuse me, forgot Switzerland is on the Moon and not part of a dense network of deals with the EU.

[u/Bicentennial_Douche → u/Ainudor]

Switzerland is not a EU member state. And I fail to see why you are blaming EU for actions of private corporations. Complain to those companies. 

EDIT: dude blocked me. So I’ll reply to his latest pre-block comment here:

“as long as these companies reside and pay taxes in the EU, if you reap the benefits you share the responsability.”

Just about every company in the world resides and pays taxes in the EU in some shape or form. Like it or not, many companies believe that they are not bound by ethics and geopolitical situations. Blame for that lies with those companies. 

“    I am sincerely dismayed you might have a right to vote fml.”

I advocate for grinding Russia in to dust and vote accordingly. If you don’t believe me, feel free to check my comment history. 

[u/Confident_Reporter14 → u/Ainudor]

Merkel has a lot answer for this, and we went ahead and made her stale wannabe leader of the EU…

[u/bobbyd123456 → u/Confident_Reporter14]

EU? She was the celebrated leader of the free world when Trump was elected.

[u/yougottabeit → u/Ainudor]

Let raiffaisen go ffs they got a cool application design we gon keep that

[u/Murz777 → u/Ainudor]

Greed for money always leads to bad ends. Even when finance the bullets that will later kill your children...

[u/OkTap4045 → u/Ainudor]

What do you think would have changed? Russia has already seized by force these companies, they just renamed them and nothing has changed.

[u/Ainudor → u/OkTap4045]

they seized them these recent months. They had more than 4 years of doing business there. Try harder

[u/TyrusX]

If Russia wins, this will definitely happen.

[u/Lazy-Plankton5270 → u/TyrusX]

Yes and Russia won't stop in Ukraine they'll be emboldened to keep going

[u/Cultural-Newt136 → u/TyrusX]

If Russia wins, eventually it won't be just the Ukrainian refugees fleeing to Europe. Emboldened Russia will then go after the Baltics, Fins etc.. 

[u/Kindly-Standard8025]

Considering the fate that would await them in that scenario, I wouldn't blame them.

[u/lucrac200]

That's not the problem, tbh.

The bigest issue is that the other tens of millions, with many battle hardened soldiers and holding a grudge on EU abandoning them to the russians, will remain in an Ukraine under Russian control. Our armies would have a major problem today facing a modern Ru army of over 1.5 mil people.

Imagine facing both Ukr & Ru, with war geared economies, millions of soldier trained in modern warefare, making millions of drones every year of all types.

Fuck it, give Ukrainians everything they need and something on top as well. And I don't care if I have to pay higher taxes for that, the alternative is way, way worse.

[u/Weshtonio → u/lucrac200]

That's not the problem, tbh

Haven't you noticed the current political climate? If there's anything that could bring support in this war, it's the fear of immigration.

[u/lucrac200 → u/Weshtonio]

Ukrainians integrate rather easy and create less issues than other non-european immigrants, in general.

[u/DispassionateObs → u/lucrac200]

There are still many people who oppose it for economic reasons. It puts pressure on housing and healthcare.

[u/lucrac200 → u/DispassionateObs]

Unless we are willing to push the Ukrainians back to death or kill them ourselves, we might not have a choice. How do you stop 20 mil people at the border?

[u/Dh0ine → u/lucrac200]

It doesn't matter what kind of people would immigrate into EU if the total figure would be 20 million, it's a catastrophic for any country in Europe.

[u/lucrac200 → u/Dh0ine]

No, it would be just hard. Not to mention that those 20 mil will not all stop in 1 country. What would be catastrophic would be Ukraine's defeat and absortion (formally or not) by Russia.

[u/CreamXpert → u/lucrac200]

I can tell you we don't have the means to absorb even a fraction of the 20 millions no matter of easy they can integrate. The local population is struggling themselves.

[u/lucrac200 → u/CreamXpert]

And I can tell you that we're getting old all over EU, our populations are shrinking and for sure we could use 20 mil adaptable, willing to work people and with zero investment in their education.

[u/Talkycoder → u/lucrac200]

Try telling that to Poland

[u/Weshtonio → u/lucrac200]

Don't bring rationality in the conversation, it's called scare tactics for a reason. It applies at a different level.

[u/le_quisto → u/Weshtonio]

Well these guys actually have the right skin colour, so they're fine.

This is a satirical comment, but probably a lot of people think like this, unfortunately

[u/lucrac200 → u/le_quisto]

Nothing about the skin collor. They just come from a country culturally much closer to the european way of life from many points of view: culture, weather, history, work ethics, traditions, relations, religion, etc. And if you think there are no differences between any random Asian or African countries and Ukraine from those perspectives... i guess you did not travel much.

[u/VladThe1mplyer → u/lucrac200]

You say that but a lot of people are buthurt that the Ukrainian refugees who afforded to leave the country at the start of the war are richer than them.

You can still keep hearing those people being jealous that the Ukrainian refugees who fled to Europe had better cars than they did.

Those people don't care how well integrated Ukrainians are and are just looking for excuses to complain.

[u/lucrac200 → u/VladThe1mplyer]

Who knew richer people have more resources and can relocate faster & easier than poor people, am I right? :))

Of course a good no of those who managed to exit Ukraine have some good money. In a country of tens of millions, you can find plenty rich ones.

[u/Lucifer_606381 → u/Weshtonio]

We have a lot of Ukrainans move into near me in England and it's literally so different other forms of mon EU migration, they apdated instantly, started working right away , caused zero crime or trouble and helped out at the local church , and there was zero cultural clashes.

[u/NoExperience9717 → u/Weshtonio]

There's already something like 5m Ukrainians already abroad. I'd question anyway that 20m would leave. Only way I could see that getting near happening is if EU provides full day one protections, benefits and employment rights like they did for the 5m but even then if the country is at peace then I can't see a third of the country leaving.

[u/elhareen → u/NoExperience9717]

what are you questioning. in an event of capitulation, the majority of population will abandon the country. not everyone's home of those who left was under the threat of occupation during these years. it doesn't matter what EU provides or doesn't provide, people will just be running for their lives, and this is what this thread is about, not about "population leaves their country despite it being at peace".

[u/Hminney → u/elhareen]

This. Life under Russian rule is not "the same with a different ruler". Russia wants Ukraine's fertile farms and mineral / fossil fuel resources. These will be gifted to friends of Putin, taken from the Ukrainians who will be given as slaves. When there isn't enough food, it will Ukrainians who starve to death. When a business in Russia wants cheap or free labour, Ukrainians will be transported there regardless of family connections or obligations. I'd fight to the death if this is what I'm fighting for.

[u/Boter_Jez → u/lucrac200]

You are correct. Putin cannot afford to lose this war. His existance and that of Russia depends on this war, he will go all in. Only the Baltic states and Merz are aware of the catastrophic danger that the EU is in, especially now, that the US is not even hiding it anymore, that it's on Putins side.

[u/FlowWestern212 → u/lucrac200]

It's a problem for us in Ukraine bc we won't have a country !

[u/lucrac200 → u/FlowWestern212]

I know. The "it's not a problem" comment reffers to Zelensky' statement that 20 mil Ukrainians would become reffugees. I'm not afraid of that. I'm more afraid of what would happen with rest of Ukrainians.

[u/daskomet → u/lucrac200]

Europe didn't abandon Ukraine, the US did, in fact, backstabbed them routinely

[u/lucrac200 → u/daskomet]

I agree, we have not abandoned them. Yet. But see who's creeping out in elections in France and Germany, and what plans they have re Ukraine.

[u/daskomet → u/lucrac200]

that is caused by a whole lot of other stuff, namely a stagnant economy, disregard for immigration/religious attrition in society, high living costs, housing... when the status quo ignores these issues, people start to "protest vote", which can have catastrophic consequences. Also there's always a bit of Russian meddling in this

[u/lucrac200 → u/daskomet]

I don't think it would matter for them much for which excuse the Ukrainians would be abandoned, if those dudes get in power.

[u/PedanticSatiation → u/daskomet]

stagnant economy, disregard for immigration/religious attrition in society, high living costs, housing...

And they're going to make every single one of those problems worse.

[u/daskomet → u/PedanticSatiation]

yes, but the average voter doesn't care/know

[u/jlandero → u/daskomet]

Europe could have helped Ukraine win this war from the very beginning, whether through greater support or real consequences for Russia. They haven't done so because it suits them to keep the war far from home, and that, that's fucked up.

[u/daskomet → u/jlandero]

Europe did not have that many resources and there were (incomprehensible) red lines that were put simply to avoid nuclear escalation. In the meanwhile Russia crying nuclear wolf every Tuesday did become old fast so there's none of that anymore. The EU is also investing heavily in defence but there's still a long way...

[u/Cleru_as_Kylar_Stern → u/lucrac200]

Ukrainian Soilders are more likely to be Guirillas and fight for indipendence than join Russia, even if Russia wins.

[u/lucrac200 → u/Cleru_as_Kylar_Stern]

In the begining, yes. Then filtration, treason, killing will have their impact and the resistence will slowly die out. See the occupied regions, partisans activities are limited to information and blowing out a russian officer every few months.

[u/iFrezZz → u/Cleru_as_Kylar_Stern]

Some of them fill be guerrillas rest wil go in Rus army its happened before

[u/anontoaskdumbthings → u/Cleru_as_Kylar_Stern]

Which is even worse because they will rehome a good portion of the population to Siberia only to move in ethnic Russians.

[u/AlternativeTiger685 → u/lucrac200]

I’m starting to think this is exactly the scenario they’re trying to create. When Ukraine starts gaining ground, someone helps Russia stay afloat. When Russia comes under pressure, the balance shifts again. At the same time right wing populists are gaining support across Europe and the gap between rich and poor keeps growing. We’ve seen similar conditions before World War II.
In both Russia and Ukraine a new generation is growing up being taught to defend their homeland against enemies. The US is creating chaos that it seems to believe it can control. And maybe a new war will be timed to coincide with the economic crisis in the US that has been building up for years.

[u/orthoxerox → u/lucrac200]

Other tens of millions? 20 million is approximately the number of Ukrainians still remaining in Ukraine.

I think around 2 million more would flee to the EU, the rest would remain.

[u/lucrac200 → u/orthoxerox]

The estimate is around 30 mil actually. So i was wrong, not "tens" but "ten".

[u/Nattekat]

If you think about this statement for just a little bit, you realise how freakingly strong it actually is.

[u/TraditionalClub6337]

And it will happen if Russia wins. Those people ain't going to stay in Ukraine, good luck at trying to keep them out fences won't be enough.

[u/sibachian]

lol. this is so perfect. the right wingers screaming we shouldn't give ukraine the money he asked for the other day; and he telling them too bad, i guess you'll have to accept 20 million immigrants instead.

[u/Rainer_Wahnsinn_80 → u/sibachian]

Dann gibt es mehr Flüchtlinge und die Rechten bekommen noch mehr Stimmen. Für die macht die Beendigung der Ukraine Hilfe durchaus Sinn.

[u/sibachian → u/Rainer_Wahnsinn_80]

not for the voters, who this message is for.

[u/Intro-Nimbus]

Well played, that should give the pro-russians something to consider. Sure Le Pen, you may cut aid to Ukraine, but they know where to go if they lose.

[u/spectralcolors12 → u/Intro-Nimbus]

They don’t care. Nothing the far right loves more than a refugee crisis

[u/Interesting-Dream863]

Sounds good for the guys using immigrants to pay lower salaries all around

[u/StagnantWater99]

its like 10m of them already in the EU

[u/s3sebastian]

All Ukrainians in Ukraine are already in Europe.

[u/Working_Use2500]

The guy was right three years ago. They’re fighting the war for us too. Should’ve given them way more.

[u/Herb-Alpert → u/[deleted]]

You will get both Anyway, that's not a question

[u/Econ_Orc → u/[deleted]]

43% of refugees in Denmark is currently working. 58% of the Ukrainians picked from that statistic is working. (76.5% of the population has a job). If you add that the Ukrainians barely registers in the crime statistics, but over 10% of the immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East that has gained citizenship since 2015 has been convicted of a crime.

Yeah sure. Ukraine is preferable as a refugee, but I will keep supporting their freedom fight against Russia. Better they stay in Ukraine to defend their nation and I will gladly fund both these world peace initiatives.

Russian loss in Ukraine is the best thing for european security. Otherwise we will just sit on thorns waiting for the next country to be invaded.

[u/Gr1m_Fandang0 → u/[deleted]]

Least racist r/europe user

[u/DefInnit]

Russians excited to move into the homes of 20 million Ukrainians, take over all their super fertile land, and completely Russify the place, while watching Europe deal with all the Ukrainian refugees.

Zelensky could end up motivating the Russians, too.

[u/j_j-j_jr_shabadoo]

Ironic that so many anti-immigrant politicians are staunchly pro-Putin. I hope that this concept makes it into their voter's brains somehow.

[u/mv7x3]

but ukraine is winning? reddit is full how they advance every day and blow up everything.

if they dont then let them come before there is no more, but that greedy ass cant let that happen. the billions isnt enough what he already amassed.

[u/veetilk]

i have been told all this time that ukrainian refugees only bolster the economy on average

[u/mikatovish → u/veetilk]

And usually does mate, but one thing is a regular migratory flow and another is a very large group of people fleeing a last stand , which we are far from it.

Its quite logical that a good number of people from here will flee and not die here, in case we ultimately get overrun

[u/BINGODINGODONG → u/veetilk]

No country in Europe has the infrastructure nor ressources to absorb such an influx of people. It is hard enough as it is with people from MENAP countries, even when considering Ukrainians are much more easily assimilated.

It would mean housing problems in every European country. Skyrocketing food prices. Need for more policing the first 5-10 years due to no jobs = higher crime.

It would take decades to fully absurd those people. It has nothing to do with Ukrainians. It’s just the consequences of moving that many people into another country.

[u/JackhusChanhus → u/veetilk]

To a point yes.

[u/GovernmentBig2749 → u/veetilk]

I had a Ukrainian crew as workers/contractors in my apartment, precise and quality work force.

[u/No_Aesthetic → u/veetilk]

That's true, but Europeans don't like to hear it.

If playing on their sympathies doesn't work, why not on their irrational fears?

[u/Far_Advertising1005 → u/No_Aesthetic]

20 million additional consumers and workers may be great for the economy but for the average person that’s just a skyrocketed COL and immensely strained services

[u/zeroG420 → u/veetilk]

There's a difference between a few million and twenty. Don't be obtuse. 

[u/veetilk → u/zeroG420]

A few is actually 5.5 million at least in Europe. And 20 million, being a bit more than half of the country population, can be actually less in reality. Don't be rude

[u/European2002 → u/veetilk]

Yeah we are not able to integrate 20 million people like this, not even christian europeans like the ukranians

[u/kai_rui]

Warning or threat?

[u/North_Affect_8167]

Probably EU would welcome them as cheap labor. It is not like EU is not in the market for imported workers from India or Nepal.

[u/bugrit]

Flee to Europe? They are already in Europe.

[u/RottenPingu1 → u/bugrit]

You ain't seen nothing yet

[u/Niadh74]

The rest if the population will be shipped off to Siberia

[u/imnotokayandthatso-k]

So the EU gets free diversified immigration from people who are willing to take less for jobs and keep the pyramid scheme alive?

Methinks dude doesn't know the implications of what he said. Bloodhounds like Merz are probably gleefully aware of this.

[u/sirdopa]

From what it looks like, they can get restricted from coming. The far-right will probably impose some kind of travel ban for some time. In Poland (despite what propaganda says) people are fed up with them and the parties that are against them are on the rise.

[u/fatbreadslut]

this statement is actually very smart move by zelensky, because he's trying to pull the far-right anti-immigration parties, which oppose supporting ukraine and are also gaining support all across europe, to his side by waving the scary migration boogeyman in front of them if they don't help.

[u/QTG_Timeless → u/[deleted]]

Doomer mentality

[u/Lazder → u/[deleted]]

disgusting post

[u/Haunting_Switch3463]

Considering the birthrates around Europe, it might not be a bad thing.

[u/Shot-Total-2575]

And Romania and Moldavia and many many more

[u/Darth_Memer_1916 → u/[deleted]]

We were all so supportive of Ukrainians when the war started, but the Internet told us to hate them and now millions do.

[u/Reyeux]

Wait doesn't Ukraine currently have a population of only 20 million if you exclude occupied territories and refugees that already fled? The entire population will be fleeing?

[u/GroupGeneral6811 → u/Reyeux]

It's about 27 last I seen something about it. Old people that are settled will not move, not mentioning some people supporting Russia.

[u/Argury → u/GroupGeneral6811]

22-27 depends on way of counting. 

[u/Ok-General-4148]

We dont have to worry bout that happening since Ukraine is winning according to biden and Boris

[u/tndtjdtmd]

tbf we are paying for them anyway so whats the issue?

[u/fjnnels]

that alone should be argument enough for all the AFD voters to not vote the Russian Party

[u/Luize0]

It's funny and sad that "immigration" is supposed to be the motivator to do something lol.

[u/CertainMiddle2382]

Don’t tell that to Germany, cheap hands is their dream…

[u/Bruggenmeister]

Already alot here in belgium, also kids in my kids classes. Teachers already working overtime to translate lessons

[u/FlowWestern212]

Ukrainians are not numbers, but people with actual identities. Most Ukrainians don't want to leave Ukraine, some in the comments sound like it's about demographics. It's about personal life, tragedies and lack of a choice

[u/citizen42069101 → u/FlowWestern212]

This is meant to stoke support because Europe already has issues with refugees. The overarching effects are very human.

What moves the levers of capital is not.

[u/halwahahn → u/FlowWestern212]

Really?? Then why did millions of Ukrainians flee from
Occupied territories in the east? Why should the remaining Ukrainians in the west not do the same if russians were to invade the rest of the country? Ukrainians know well what russians will do when they gain the upper hand. They have 400 years of terror under russian rule to go by.

[u/Demostravius4 → u/halwahahn]

I think you misread their comment

[u/anders_hansson]

That's obviously hyperbole. The current Ukrainian population is likely less than 30 million people. He's basically saying that every Ukrainian will leave Ukraine. That's not a realistic scenario (has it ever happened before - even under the most terrible of conditions in any country?).

However, many speculate that once the war is over (regardless of how it ends) millions of Ukrainian men will leave the country to join their families abroad who have started new lives there.

[u/baturik128 → u/anders_hansson]

The most realistic take here. People in Europe underestimate the amount of people who are currently living in Ukraine "with their travel bags packed". Regardless of the outcome, millions will leave as soon as possible, as it happened with 18-22 years olds

[u/_skylark → u/anders_hansson]

If Russia takes over they will conscript any men remaining in Ukraine and fortify their army to continue the war they’ve been preparing against the rest of Europe.

[u/anders_hansson → u/_skylark]

Give me one example of a country where the entire population left the country due to war.

[u/Necroon → u/_skylark]

Ukraine is already conscripting any remaining men.

[u/Fer4yn → u/_skylark]

Russia has been preparing a war against the rest of Europe? Dafaq? Since when? They've even been struggling with Ukraine alone, lol.

[u/Environmental_Ice_80]

to get invaded 30 years later from a "bigger Russia "

"- Is everyone here stupid?"

"- Here? Everyone."

XD

[u/Odd-Look-7537]

Genuine question are there even 20m Ukrainians left in Ukraine at this point?

[u/Crimson_V → u/Odd-Look-7537]

22 to 25 mill is the current estimate (could be lower tough).

[u/gh0stf4c3ki11a]

What a 🤡

[u/Excellent_Gur7054]

Noone is wining this war tbh, it needs to get settled as it will in future sooner the better, and normal life can run again in Ukraine and alot of Ukrainian refuges should return to Ukraine after war has ended.

[u/okpaimeihereicome]

Welcome to France

[u/SCUDDEESCOPE]

Trump's and Putin's dream to fuck up Europe big time

[u/FrustratedHumor]

They're white tho so most people won't bat an eye

[u/LaunchTransient → u/FrustratedHumor]

Oh they will. It seems like people are quick to forget how, prior to Brexit, Poles were a detested demographic in the UK. After the 2016 referendum there was a spike in anti-Pole rhetoric, including notable incidents where bricks were thrown through a Polish bakery's window and a school receiving flyers with the words "Go home Polish scum" and "No more Polish vermin".

The racists will always find a reason to hate.

[u/Famoustractordriver → u/FrustratedHumor]

Sure, because Eastern Europeans have been loved and cherished everywhere throughout the continent...

[u/Professional-Fee-488 → u/FrustratedHumor]

Not white but of the same culture, values and work habits as most of the rest of Europe, easy and willing to assimilate. E.g pretty sure none of the ex Yugoslavia countries would mind having Ukrainians as migrants, similar mentality plus they're pretty much all suffering from brain drain and low birth rates.

[u/HungryCurrency8481 → u/Professional-Fee-488]

The idea that Ukrainians have less in common with Russians than they do with the Dutch is hilarious. Also the idea that the ex Yugoslav countries are welcoming of other ethnic groups. I'm crying laughing at the delusion of this comment.

[u/GELATOSOURDIESEL → u/HungryCurrency8481]

Where did he say that 'Ukranians have less incommon with Russians than they do with the Dutch'?

[u/Excellent-Menu-8784 → u/Professional-Fee-488]

Where do you live? Because that’s not exactly the prevailing sentiment in Germany, least of all on work habits.

[u/morentg → u/Professional-Fee-488]

I's ok but in critical numbers it'll be devastating to social cohesion in the country. In Poland there's a lot, and I've met a lot, some integrate, others stick to their own and don't bother learning polish above minimum required to work. I's not bad but doubling or tripling population would most certainly hand next elections to far right. There's only so much a single country can manage. It encoragues forming enclaves and parallel society that detatches itself from host country bringing instability, especially with old amimosities still not ammended, and easily exploited by more underhanded politicans on bosth sides.

[u/Left_Palpitation4236 → u/Professional-Fee-488]

White.

Slavic / Eastern Europeans are white.

[u/mehdir_94 → u/Professional-Fee-488]

Wdym not white lol, they were a viking trade hub, a mix of Rus vikings and slavs

[u/Professional-Fee-488 → u/mehdir_94]

Context clues my man, not white = not because they're white.

[u/BigBucketOfAcid → u/FrustratedHumor]

That's not how Europeans see the matter. Frankly, everyone who isn't local is annoying and the larger they are in numbers, the more annoying they become. 20M Ukrainians would annoy everyone in every country.

[u/Lost-Display1 → u/FrustratedHumor]

Tell that to the Romanians in Ireland.

[u/FlowWestern212 → u/FrustratedHumor]

Fr? Are you 15 years old and have no clue about European hierarchies

[u/SeparatedI → u/FlowWestern212]

Either that or a yank. Just ask brits what they thought of poles 30 years ago

[u/Dubiisek → u/FrustratedHumor]

Are you American by any chance?

There's a sentiment against Ukrainian refugees in most EU countries to a degree because we are experiencing a wave of populism.

[u/BigBucketOfAcid → u/Dubiisek]

It has nothing to do with populism. It's just a natural human reaction that if a large foreign ethic group moves into your area you start getting annoyed. If it was 20M Australians it wouldn't be any better.

[u/FrustratedHumor → u/Dubiisek]

Nope from the UK, just don't listen to the bs about invasions of immigrants etc etc

[u/Oleleplop → u/FrustratedHumor]

funny when we know one of the "main argument" of the Brexit

[u/TrainedExplains → u/Oleleplop]

And most people in younger generations were very much against brexit.

[u/Ellers12 → u/FrustratedHumor]

Didn’t help immigration not being a major issue before brexit.

[u/HotEntrepreneur6828]

Seems like an odd thing for the leader of the country that's supposed to be winning the war to say.

[u/gameplayer55055]

Oh no, highly educated youth that can work for pennies in Europe, therefore smoothing the demographic aging problem?

[u/Macarons124 → u/gameplayer55055]

Having groups of people working for pennies also creates divisiveness.