r/mildlyinfuriating • • Sep 14 '26

Do u dont wanna This "invoice", with a small print disclaimer stating it is not an invoice, received by my company

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u/DontLook_Weirdo Sep 14 '26

Lol oh wow. They're trying to sneak through business' who just pay to clear out debts

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u/c4ndyman31 Sep 14 '26

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u/austin101123 Sep 14 '26

That's making fake invoices and providing no product or service, not the same thing.

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u/PancakeMisery Sep 14 '26

you're assuming a lot of good faith on behalf of a company sending out literal scam mail

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u/OneOfAKind2 Sep 15 '26

Yep. Plus they are charging $99/box of gloves that are $10-$12 at Costco.

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u/austin101123 Sep 14 '26

One is (probably) technically legal advertising.

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u/PancakeMisery Sep 15 '26

probably is doing a lot of heavy lifting when there's a very clear attempt at trying to trick people into paying you. Believe it or not scams aren't legal

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u/austin101123 Sep 15 '26

tricking people into paying you is what marketing is

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u/PancakeMisery Sep 15 '26

No this is just fraud behavior. We literally know it is because we've seen people get convicted for it before.

Fraud is not marketing no matter how much you try to spin it. This is very clearly getting you to pay money through deceptive practices. That's probably the reason they want a check and not other options. Checks don't have legal recourse like electronic payment methods do unless you want to sue if you were the one that wrote and signed it.

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u/austin101123 Sep 15 '26

Fraud is when you lie. They aren't lying, it's just formatted similarly to invoices while being truthful about the fact it's advertising.

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u/PancakeMisery Sep 15 '26

Yeah that's not how fraud works man. You can't just put little fine print that says "oh btw you're entering a legaling binding agreement if you send us money that you don't actually owe us" when the much more noticeable (by design) parts are deliberately framing the mail as an INVOICE.

I work in finance. Fine print isn't a magic get out of jail free card when you're very blatantly trying to be deceptive. That's likely why they want a check. Checks are impossible to dispute with a bank like other payment methods are. There is zero reason to format it like an invoice unless you want people to think it's an invoice. I don't know why you're trying so hard to play defense for very obvious scumbag behaviour.

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u/Jmackles Sep 15 '26

They are right, but that’s an argument against marketing. Which is a position I strongly concur with

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u/jared__ Sep 14 '26

you think the company in the OP post is going to deliver 4 million nitrile gloves? lol

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u/a_golden_teacher Sep 14 '26

Lol the 4 mil is a measurement of the glove's nitrile material thickness.

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u/pharxity Sep 14 '26

2000, and yes.

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u/V2BM Sep 14 '26

That amount costs me $80 retail - I buy the big packs of 200 for work and cleaning my home.

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u/Green_Ad2231 Sep 15 '26

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Try the medical supply industry out for mind-blowing time. My wife gets shipped 2 (100ct) boxes of exam gloves per month from a med supply company. Retail they're something like $10. Med insurance pays close to $100 per box for the same thing.

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u/V2BM Sep 15 '26

A customer of mine gives me a tube of prescription topical steroids because Medicare sends her a 3-pack every few months. She can’t stop them so she gives it away.

People go without diabetic supplies and others are auto shipped more than they need or dead people continue to get it monthly. Third party suppliers are eating up so much of our money.

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u/Green_Ad2231 Sep 15 '26

100% My wife's managed care company also paid $20/month to rent a small accessibility ramp. I brought it to her care team's attention that they can buy the same ramp online for $50, but they said "Nope. We rent this stuff. This is how we do it." Also, due to a warehouse shipping error, we were sent $9k (sticker price) worth of diabetes testing supplies that were intended for someone else. I made about a dozen phone calls over a few months in an attempt to get them back to the company who sent them. Somebody should get these things. 6 months later, and that box is still in my house.

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u/thri54 Sep 14 '26

I think they’re going to deliver 2,000 4 millimeter gloves.

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u/Get_In_Me_Swamp Sep 14 '26

Nope. In this case, 4 mil means .004" inches thick. 4 millimeters would be very, very thick gloves. Plastic and rubber films are measured in "mils" each being one one thousandth of an inch.

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u/Ozzman770 Sep 14 '26

This isnt really the same thing though cause that guy altered legitimate information and submitted fradulent proofs of delivery to secure the money. That guys situation sounds like just straight up fraud

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u/Zombisexual1 Sep 14 '26

Yah was going to say that this is actually pretty smart, just send them to big corporations like Amazon that pay these with no thought

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u/c4ndyman31 Sep 14 '26

It’s not smart at all it is criminal fraud

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u/codetony Sep 14 '26

Technically not criminal fraud as long as the goods are delivered as promised.

Scummy way of doing business? Absolutely. Illegal? Probably not.

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u/McdoManaguer Sep 15 '26

Should it be illegal? 1000%

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u/ajb1102 Sep 14 '26

And even in the big companies, there is usually someone internal who has to claim the service and sign off on it.

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u/Zombisexual1 Sep 14 '26

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u/ajb1102 Sep 14 '26

He fabricated contracts and posed as one of their vendors… he didn’t “just send them invoices”

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u/SolidLegacy1 Sep 14 '26

Where is the fraud? The form says its an ad not an invoice.

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u/Ornery_Ads Sep 14 '26

It would depend on if there is a law prohibiting deceptive advertising wherever this occurred.

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u/Karma_1969 Sep 15 '26

What makes that "smart"?

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u/jhonka_ Sep 15 '26

You do realize there's an entire finance department and part of their job is to sort through these and attach them to POs and stuff right? It might get through, but 99% chance it wont

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u/MavisBeacons_Sextape Sep 14 '26

Worked in financial crimes investigations for the last 15 years and have seen countless instances of this scam being successfully executed. Sooo many internal controls combos that can minimize the risk of invoices like this getting paid, if not entirely neutralize it…and yet, it still happens all the time. Companies whose FY closes this month will see a huge spike in fake invoices.

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u/TerranRepublic Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

Yeah we are a NO PO, NO PAY company which to my understanding eliminates most risk to this type of scam. PMs also approve invoices and even legit companies have a hard enough time getting approved lol. 

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u/MavisBeacons_Sextape Sep 15 '26

Yep, No PO, No Pay, with multiple levels of approval, is the most straightforward way to mitigate it. I will say, doing internal financial investigations for multinationals, that PMs were ones I caught engaging in the most fuckery.

Usually it was an undisclosed conflict of interest relationship for whom the PM had rubber stamped tons of $$$ POs (“I hired that subcontractor for the $3M electrical work because they came highly recommended” “okay but isn’t that sub owned by your brother in law?” “….yeah”).

You can sometimes catch that kind of thing via vendor onboarding, but PMs are in a position to do a lot of damage if they want to.

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u/morph23 Sep 14 '26

There are 2 variants of this kind of scam. One is just erroneous billing trying to get companies to blindly pay for nothing. The 2nd, which this seems to be per the disclosure, is similar but they'll actually fulfill the goods/services, taking payment up front as a binding contract but making it seem like a bill in arrears.

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u/scyice Sep 14 '26

I get these all the time for my website domains.

“BILL DUE” and “PAY NOW” to keep your website. But it’s just some company that will charge you more and then want to transfer your domain contract to them.

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u/AggressiveGarbage91 Sep 15 '26

this sort of scam is especially common to businesses in CA (I can't speak for other states because I don't have dealings but I'm positive it happens elsewhere). I had to register a business with the California Secretary of State, and since we didn't have a registered agent, the owner was the listed agent online. The scammers found his email address elsewhere online and have been sending him many emails about invoices being due for the CA SOS registration. he forwards them to me all the time to pay and I have to explain like hey this is a scam. they want to take your money and then register themselves as the agent on our behalf. I did all this - if you want so badly to pay these ~$300 invoices, please pay it to me instead 😂

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u/tastywofl Sep 15 '26

I get these occasionally to my PO Box, addressed to a business that has the same last name as me. I always wonder how many businesses just see "invoice" and paid.

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u/_Shut_Up_Thats_Why_ Sep 14 '26

No, my company does the same thing and we aren't trying to sneak anything. This "invoice" is printed well before the delivery is made, so things like stock play a role here. If they only have 5 boxes of gloves in stock this paper might still say 10, while the actual bill to pay is for 5 and is found on the website. If the order was fulfilled in total, that piece of paper is the same as the invoice.