Yeah, I'm exchanging my money for your product, which already includes every cost related to product such as housing, raw material, service, utility plus profit margin.
I am ALREADY paying employee by purchasing product or service.
Yeah and? If you don't tip there, they'd (have to) pay more than minimum wage. That's the point the person above makes.
If minimum wage is 9$ and tips are about 4$ an hour, you wouldn't get any waiters who demand 13+$ an hour if tips weren't usual. Because you'd have to pay them 13$. But since tipping is usual in your location, you can pay them only 9$ and they'll still be happy with their wage because they get 13 at the end of the day. That's a subsidization of wages.
Every waiter has a monetary value he demands for that job, and that amount is lower the higher the tipping is. That has nothing to do with minimum wage. The fact that companies in some states can even pay below minimum wage and make up for it with tips is awful too, but that's a different story.
(All fictional numbers, I have no idea what minimum wage and expected hourly tip are usual in the US, but you get the idea)
Every waiter has a monetary value he demands for that job, and that amount is lower the higher the tipping is. That has nothing to do with minimum wage. The fact that companies in some states can even pay below minimum wage and make up for it with tips is awful too, but that's a different story.
The servers don't demand a value for the job. There's a tipped minimum wage in place; the employer doesn't just pay them as little as they want. Servers just expect higher amounts in tips at elevated dining because the job demands more of them; they require several years of experience and knowledge.
I realize, now, that many of you aren't from the US or familiar with the laws. Why are you even arguing against these topics that don't apply to you? You just want to find an argument? It's weird.
They made a blanket statement that simply isn't true for the entirety of the US and many of us in this discussion. Those states make up for nearly 20% of the population and 25% of foreign visitors.
It's basic economics. The minimum wage matters very little anymore since the fair market cost of labor is far above it at this point. We seriously need to raise it a lot, but tipping also shouldn't be a thing at all. It's completely scummy.
Why though? I pay the company for a product for the price that is advertised, the company pays the employee for a wage they both agreed upon. Why would i give extra money to the employee? Keep Europe tip free, we don't want that bullshit here.
Tips have existed in Europe since before you were born. It's the expansion of tipping culture that you're unfamiliar with.
You don't pay an employee additional for the product or to supplement their wage. You tip an employee to show your appreciation for exceptional service that surpasses what their role calls for.
So you're ok with the fact that they're not doing anything exceptional 9/10 times and we would tip 0 or round up under 5%? The way tipping work in Europe, where it even exists?
If I get shit service, I don't tip. I tip servers that make my experience more than enjoyable, as with any service job. I don't tip cashiers or similar roles. I don't tip a bartender if they hand me a beer. I'm not here to argue that every job deserves a tip or that every employee that works a tipped position deserves a tip every time.
Yes, exceptional service. That does not include fast food employees, taxi drivers, and most waiters.
If I'm tipping, I expect to have been shown exceptional service. That does not include pestering us at the table, like they do in america. I can't even say what I'd expect, because I've never seen a waiter go beyond what their job entails.
pestering us at the table, like they do in america
Customer service is shit in Europe compared to the US lmao. That's one thing I noticed immediately the first time I traveled there and every time since.
In all, you're trying to relate to a culture that isn't prevalent in your location. Don't worry about it if it doesn't apply to you.
No, the customer service is just catered to how we like it. The most annoying thing a waiter can do is constantly hover at their tables, asking if the food is good or if we want refills all the time. The only time a waiter should approach the table is to take orders, deliver the food and drinks, when most glasses are empty, and when they are waived down.
The customer service in the US is so over the top because they practically beg for tips, and it sucks. Just let us eat in peace lmao.
The problem is that this culture is quickly being brought over to our countries, and forced upon us by multinational companies—and local businesses see this stuff on the internet and think its a good thing, while customers hate it. I'm not trying to relate to it, it is actively invading us.
Not every server is as in-tune with their customers and their job. Someone can read the room better than others. This is true for every job. I wouldn't want them hovering over me either, but in my experience that's never happened. I'm not sure where you've visited, but I live in the US and I've eaten out a lot throughout my entire life. Yes, some do check in more than others, but I'd rather have that than a server who never looks my way when I do want something.
The customer service in the US is so over the top because they practically beg for tips, and it sucks. Just let us eat in peace lmao.
What I said, I meant for every customer service role, not exclusive to servers. Including servers, they just do a better job at taking care of their customers than in most countries in Europe.
I'm not trying to relate to it, it is actively invading us.
As it is here, tipping is completely optional. There's no need to be offended by a prompt on a checkout screen. Tipping is optional and you can always choose not to. Don't let it affect you so much.
Nah it's not a very Dutch thing to do at all really (also it was at an Indian restaurant ran by Indian people). Would maybe work in Amsterdam as part of a tourist trap, but if you have a lot of Dutch customers they wouldn't appreciate it and likely not come back. Also pretty sure it's not legal to do that over here lol.
Yeah becoming a thing more and more often in the UK as well.
Plus restaurants automatically adding a percentage 'service charge' automatically that is in theory voluntary but psychologically the majority of people with just pay for it rather then ask for it to be removed. Been that way awhile in London but spreading all over now
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u/c08306834 11d ago
As a European, seeing a 40% tip option is wild.