Unironically most Russian neonazis would do anything to avoid going to the front
They'd feel far more comfortable spreading hate on the internet
Same thing with Ukraine, both sides pretty much claim to be against fascism, yet those fascists are exactly the ones who aren't dying
It's funny how inaccurate you are. The biggest and most notable Russian volunteer unit fighting for Ukraine, RVC, is about as white nationalist as it gets. The Third Corps is led by literally Biletskiy and is the most notable Ukrainian unit.
On either side too... I don't know why is there an irony that the place that fought them off became the place with most Nazis on Earth.
Ukraine especially is the ground for Nazi music scenes, for example. Virtually all of NSBM band is either Finnish or Ukrainian (some Polish and German). Militant Russian neo-nazis are mostly based in Ukraine and fighting with Ukraine too.
MAUP was founded in Soviet Union. Modern MAUP has no antisemitism.
No major Ukrainians universities do.
I studied in 2 of them. Study material is EU-oriented and liberal.
Virtually all of NSBM band is either Finnish or Ukrainian.
That's simply not true. Ryan Buesnel's research on NSBM networks from 1988 to 2016 concluded that the NSBM scene depends on a small number of influential hubs and many peripheral countries, not that one particular country definitively has the most bands.
Ukraine became the place with most nazis on Earth.
Ukraine has zero nazi parties, parliament members, laws or government programs.
Hate crimes are happening in record numbers in EU. Jews get attacked, mosques get vandalized. Far right parties get sits in parliaments. But not in Ukraine.
But I guess as real nazis said: "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes truth" and Ukraine becomes the most nazi place on earth while in reality polling as least antisemitic country in the region. Ranking even lower than parts of EU.
How does one even take on so much cope? Yes letâs pretend the state where nationalism is explicitly tied to defeating Hitler is actually the one absorbing neonazi paramilitaries into its national guard.
I have no love for Putin, nor his utterly corrupt liquidation of state function for the service of oligarchs, nor his illegal invasion of Ukraine. That doesnât negate the well established history of Ukrainian nationalistsâ cooperation with and celebration of Nazis, their collaborators, and their present day fanboy fight clubs.
Wagner was founded by a neo nazi and is named after hitlers favorite composer you fucking idiot.
The Soviet Union didnât used to teach about ww2 the same way we did. Instead of being taught the nazis invaded so and so village and rounded up and murdered 2000 Jews, they were told that the nazis invaded, rounded up and murdered 2000 Russians.
Ukrainian Nazis are anti Russian. Russian Nazis are anti semite/liberal
Agree on the history of Wagner but tf, you are romanticising Ukrainian Nazis as simply anti-Russian warriors only? There were records of fatal attacks against Romanis, Jews, and non-white people committed by them during WWII and in the modern era. That's not to mention they house the worst of Russian nazis, especially Nkitin.
And Nazis are Nazis. Racism (including antisemitism) and anti-liberalism are the core of their ideologies. The only difference is what nation they serve. If there's Rusich and RIM of Russia, there's RVC (or RDC), GVC, Azov, and a bunch more. Both led by the sickest humans possible (Rusich is a puppy-eating maniac, and RVC is a football hooligan who also targets immigrants).
One state legitimizes nazi paramilitaries as sections of its national guard, the other (it too being a neoliberal oligarchy sapped from dragging around a gutted wad of long-dead civic branches) has a potpourri of private mercenary firms. In that aspect it is not too unlike the US, where the general flow of industrial murder machinery continues the âpatrioticâ tradition in service of domestic oligarchy.
Itâs an obviously pitiful mockery of the anti fascist history and sacrifice made by peoples and nations previously united with a positive project of social development, dignity and justice.
And it sounds like youâre trying to paint Ukrainian Nazis as somehow also not particularly anti-Semitic, or at least not as bad as the Russian Nazis...? Are you out of your mind?
While someone may be saying "Slay a dragon, become a dragon." I believe that issue is soviet union being bad from the start. Let's not forget it's just repainted russian empire and that soviet union quickly found common tongue with nazi germany as another barbaric outcast. Then nazi germany betrayed soviet union and so, soviet union switched sides.
Were fighting nazis a good thing? Yes. Would it turn the one who fights them into a good guy automatically? Not at all.
Unironically, many Russian Nazis ran away to fight in RDK on Ukrainian side and died during the Belgorod Failure, now they are fertilizers in the Belgorod oblast.
The 'untermensch' guy on the left looks like a bloke I might see down the pub. He'd be called Steve and would usually be seen cradling a pint of Stella.
Hitler won several medals for bravery in WW1 along with being wounded multiple times. âHeroicâ isnât really an own against him considering his military historyÂ
When the point of their agenda is that they are genetically superior, I think pointing out their looks is completely valid. Especially, since they look nothing like what they claim is "superior".
I disagree because doing so accepts the logic of the Nazis. you can't call someone out for being ugly without inherently saying that being ugly is something to be called out. you're just agreeing with them but saying that actually they're the ugly ones when in reality a person being traditionally unattractive shouldn't have any bearing on how important they are or how seriously they're taken.Â
I think they're bad because they're Nazis, not because they're ugly.Â
He was a narcissist, he tried to look good with expensive clothing, extensive body grooming, etc. But he looked pretty awful as he got older and the war broke out. He had to work hard for his propaganda.
When you read the history they often don't think they were part of the master race, but were setting about creating it i.e the Aryan.
Some of them (like Joseph Mengele) actually thought Jewish people were the only race who were a threat to said future master race and that's why they had to be 'studied' and killed.
He does? For nazis Aryan wasnât when âblonde and blue eyedâ.
For example, Hitler was an aryan for them (although he did have blue eyes, contrary to popular myth). That would be the equally nonsensical âNordicâ race, a subgroup of aryans. Hitler was tainted with some âalpineâ aryan blood. Same with Goebbles. But the idea was to make a pure Nordic race by exterminating and subjugating all others.
Itâs not *that* self contradictory, which is why it became as dangerous and popular as it was.
No, they were also obsessed with physical appearance. They had entire guides explaining how physical appearance could determine whether someone was truly aryan. Example: Nazi anthropologist Eugen Fischer believed in craniometry. He used a device to measure the dimensions of the human head to catagorize what he deemed was an Aryan skull shape. They had âracial expertsâ with toolkits including eye color and hair color charts who claimed they could determine who was Aryan.
There is a reason their propaganda always portrayed tall, athletic, blonde, blue-eyed people. Which is deeply ironic given that so few of the high ranking Nazis fit that âsuperiorâ ideal.
Yea but even they didnt belive it. Like you are too focused on the rules that dont matter. Rules are there to be broken and when they are they allow for force and violence to be commited. If you do it to "protect the rules" you are a good person if you do ir for sake of it evil. Those tools are there to help their narrative of violence.
The âphysical appearanceâ attributes that could be measured that you are talking about had nothing to do with looking attractive.
It was legitimate measurements that change along racial lines. The same way scientists and anthropologists can determine the race of a person based off of skeletal remains only.Â
I found a book called "Underground Humour in Nazi Germany" that showed kinda... what many people thought of them behind closed doors. They made fun of this fact many... MANY times. Some of the jokes for sure had me rolling.
I have news for you. We call it "judging someone by their actions". I guarantee you that he would be judged more kindly if he hadn't been a gross nazi and cheerleader for genocide and warfare that destroyed large parts of Europe.
The comment in question is "he looks evil in the first picture".
I don't see how one could interpret it in any other way than the guy being judged on the basis of his physical appearance.
I mean it's just good old "confirmation bias" so nothing quite deep really but it's still interesting that people may think you're evil just because you look german.
There are serial killers that look like lovely people and there are also "evil looking" people who have a beautiful character.
My point is that you can't say that someone has "evil eyes" or whatever because there is no direct correlation between one's physical appearance and their character.
Now could you imagine if someone who looked like Goebbels were to read their comment? Personally I have friends with similar facial structure to him and they are some of the most gentle people I know.
The thing is that right here we also know that he is effectively being antisemitic towards the photographer from the framing of the post down to the side by side comparison it makes.
This is like putting two images of Ted Bundy, one where he looks like a model and one where he's effectively looking at someone like they are prey, next to each other, with a similar subject heading. You kind of produce a judgment of a person's appearance on those photographs that way.
I personally have no fear of what you're arguing would happen if someone were to see this because I believe that people looking like him don't suffer from grave online hatred to the degree that it could truly harm them. I'm from a German speaking country and I can confidently tell you, most people can thankfully easily distinguish between a long dead nazi and themselves.
I think posthumously you're allowed to call Goebbels someone who looks evil based on your knowledge of him. It's different to do it to someone you know who's alive right now, but come on. This is a dead nazi who thought advertising eugenicist murder and warfare were awesome. This man looks like he cheered when people like himself were killed, because he did.
She had a Jewish stepfather and there is some highly credible research to suggest that he may have been her biological father. Interestingly, in her teen years, Magda Goebbels briefly had a relationship with a Jewish guy named Haim Arlosoroff as well, and she even learnt Hebrew and wore a Star of David necklace he had gifted her
The photographer only told that precise story 50 years later, and it could be that the vicious Nazi was simply annoyed at the photographer getting too close. The story seems too meme-like to me.
I do have to wonder, whoâs the guy who says âoh yeah dude, the photographer is Jewish by the way đhe he he đâ and who then told the photographer??
Context
The selected images show Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels photographed by Alfred Eisenstaedt at the Carlton Hotel in Geneva, Switzerland, during the League of Nations conference in September 1933. [1, 2]
Key Details of the Photographs The Photographer: Alfred Eisenstaedt, a pioneering photojournalist who was Jewish, captured these portraits while on assignment. [1, 2]
The Shift in Expression: Eisenstaedt recounted that Goebbels was initially smiling at someone off-camera, but his expression drastically shifted to a hostile glare the moment he noticed Eisenstaedt. [1]
The Accompanying Figures: In the right-hand frame standing behind Goebbels are his private secretary, Walter Naumann (with the goatee), and Hitler's interpreter, Dr. Paul Schmidt. [1]
This is such a fake news being reposted ad nauseam for the cheapest karma farming possible by multiplying a mythology.Â
Do you think it was that simple and black and white, so easy to discern? So Goebbels supposedly learned the photograph was Jewish and he produced that scorn as though unable to hide his visceral hatred.Â
This is the easy misinterpretation that doesn't help understanding anti-Semitism and the Holocaust at all. In such a context, it's very hard to believe that you could just find out about someone as usual as a photographer that he was Jewish and if you did, you'd react in that way, even if you were a Nazi, because it was useless.Â
By the way, did you know Hitler's chauffeur was Jewish and he protected him dearly, thinking of him a noble Jew?
Please, stop with the hypersentimental takes influenced by Schindler's List and other instances of emotional terroism. It's bad and false.Â
Context
The selected images show Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels photographed by Alfred Eisenstaedt at the Carlton Hotel in Geneva, Switzerland, during the League of Nations conference in September 1933. [1, 2]
Key Details of the Photographs The Photographer: Alfred Eisenstaedt, a pioneering photojournalist who was Jewish, captured these portraits while on assignment. [1, 2]
The Shift in Expression:Â Eisenstaedt recounted that Goebbels was initially smiling at someone off-camera, but his expression drastically shifted to a hostile glare the moment he noticed Eisenstaedt. [1]
The Accompanying Figures:Â In the right-hand frame standing behind Goebbels are his private secretary, Walter Naumann (with the goatee), and Hitler's interpreter, Dr. Paul Schmidt. [1]
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