Tesla 'Cannot Guarantee' Roadster Reservation Holders Will Ever Get a Car

[u/ClappyKillmore]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cannot-guarantee-roadster-reservation-holders-will-ever-get-a-car

[u/Future-Turtle]

"I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that"

-Elon Stans

[u/Latter_Advice3714 → u/Future-Turtle]

Some of my coworkers are big elon/tesla fans. Everything tesla dose they get super hyped for even tho non of them own a tesla vehicle. They just need something to get hyped for otherwise they have noting to get hyped for. If this car never fully materializes that's fine they have this promo stunt that proves elon is the next iron man

Edit typo :)

[u/Mastermind_pesky → u/Latter_Advice3714]

I don't know if it's a typo but iorn man is so appropriate

[u/Za_Lords_Guard → u/Latter_Advice3714]

If Musk = Stark then Grok = Jarvis and we have the just dumbest version of the MCU.

[u/ew73 → u/Za_Lords_Guard]

Hehe, Wanda was going to invade our reality, got one look and was like, "Oh hells no, they already fucked up enough."

[u/APeacefulWarrior → u/ew73]

Dr. Doom probably points to us as proof that Earth needs him as leader.

[u/-Nightopian- → u/APeacefulWarrior]

I'll take Doom over the current reality any day.

[u/metallicrooster → u/APeacefulWarrior]

According to Bast the panther god, in Marvel Comics Dr. Doom is the best person to rule Earth. So that argument is pretty well supported.

[u/DissKhorse → u/Za_Lords_Guard]

Musk wishes he could even be Justin Hammer as that guy actually could design something himself.

[u/BigUziNoVertt → u/Za_Lords_Guard]

Elon Musk built this in a fully funded lab! With a billion dollars!

[u/Zirowe → u/Za_Lords_Guard]

And those humanoid remote controlled robots are ultron/vision..

[u/my5cworth → u/Latter_Advice3714]

I apologised to my gf last night actually saying I feel like such a fool for being an early Elon Fanboi around 2014-2018 with the birth of Tesla & SpaceX.

She basically said I didnt know any better at the time but once I learned more I was able to change my opinion, something a lot of the cult followers are unable to do.

I thought he had potential to be a nett positive impact on the world, but when you look back it was just one grift after another...all the way back to the interview where him & his brother laughed & admitted to being illegal immigrants.

[u/Nubeel → u/my5cworth]

The issue is that Tesla did have the potential to be a net positive, BEFORE Elon fucked it up.

Let’s not forget that Musk did nothing innovative, and built all of this on the backs of the engineers who originally started Tesla.

The technology had the potential. Not Musk.

[u/firemage22 → u/Nubeel]

this is why i hate when people compare him to Henry Ford, for all his flaws Henry was at his heart an engineer

Musk has more in common with Al Sloan the man who built GM by buying up smaller auto companies and even then that's not fair to Sloan

[u/Negative-Wrap95 → u/my5cworth]

I was all about SpaceX and Solar Roof shingles back in the day, so you're not the only one who was fooled by a good PR team.

[u/khavii → u/my5cworth]

I was all in on him doing something to save the planet until I stumbled onto a social media post from a current engineer at Tesla in 2015 that did not directly call him out but was definitely throwing shade in a very business language way. It piqued my curiosity so I dug around and started finding all kinds of shady shit he had done with Tesla such as scrubbing the founders info, taking credit for other people's discoveries and the fact that he was so negatively disruptive that they had built dummy staging areas for him so he could pursue his weird shit while they finished the real work. Started to dig some more and found a bunch of info on what a shitty person he was. It was disheartening and I didn't want to believe it at first but when you really pay attention to what he says without the benefit of the doubt he REALLY starts sounding awful. The spin on what he would say would be so fast and so overwhelming that I can't blame anyone for falling for it, he has some next level PR control and a lot of very powerful allies.

These days though...it is really obvious who he is and really obvious why some people like him and it has nothing to do with the cars or spaceships. And of course it really exposed how willfully ignorant a whole lot of people are. My neighbor is a huge stan, has posters up in his house and talks about how great he is all the time (doesn't own any products). Around 2020 he actually stopped listening or reading anything about him other than press releases though, so I know he knows, he just doesn't want to admit it.

[u/math-yoo → u/Latter_Advice3714]

These dudes need a better hobby.

[u/Latter_Advice3714 → u/math-yoo]

Let me sum up their daily conversation. Tesla, star wars, marvel, women are annoying, and all of them have IBS and talk about it daily also.

[u/Jedimaster996 → u/Latter_Advice3714]

It does crack me up that some of these dorks lack the media literacy to read/watch things like Marvel and Star Wars and don't grasp the irony in supporting Tesla/Musk. 

[u/Latter_Advice3714 → u/Jedimaster996]

They view themselves as being on the right side history. Because they are family men and Christian they see themselves as morally superior the everyone else. They watch something like star wars and see themselves as Luke/good guys and everyone who goes against their morally superior worldview is the darkside. Or it's just entertainment to them and they don't think that deep into it.

[u/math-yoo → u/Latter_Advice3714]

Oh, okay. Plural. These dudes need better hobbies.

[u/Raa03842 → u/Latter_Advice3714]

And live in their mommy’s basement

[u/Bogus1989 → u/Latter_Advice3714]

OMG the IBS has me fuckin dead.

[u/DissKhorse → u/Latter_Advice3714]

Yeah remember that scene in Iron man where a bunch of engineers made the suit for Tony Stark while he did nothing?

[u/danudey → u/Future-Turtle]

“This sign won’t stop me because I can’t read.”

[u/C-Towner]

You know how to take the reservation, you just don’t know how to hold it.

[u/Feather757 → u/C-Towner]

That's the most important part, the holding!

[u/tomreece → u/C-Towner]

Was hoping to see this reference here. Thank you.

[u/C-Towner → u/tomreece]

The fact that this is a car reservation just shows that that episode is an evergreen problem.

[u/Toth-Amon]

If people are seeing that and still paying, they are just idiots.

[u/wps10 → u/Toth-Amon]

Anyone who still gives money to Tesla at all, let alone for a pre-order, is a moron and an asshole who shouldn’t be trusted with money in the first place

[u/powerlloyd → u/wps10]

At first I was thinking “there are people who can drop $200-$500 on a vaporware deposit and it doesn’t phase them”, then I looked up what a deposit on a roadster cost… Jesus man, you’re not wrong. 50k deposit for the base model, and some dummies are dropping 250k for a car that’s never coming.

[u/wps10 → u/powerlloyd]

Craziest part is, they’ve been taking those $50k deposits since 2017 when they first announced the 2nd gen Roadster and still haven’t delivered jack shit. It blows my mind that Tesla is still trustworthy in anyone’s eyes

[u/powerlloyd → u/wps10]

A fool and his money…

[u/wps10 → u/powerlloyd]

Best time ever to be a grifter

[u/fixnahole → u/wps10]

So it's like a Kickstarter that never materializes. Certainly more than a few stories of those--but not $50K worth!

[u/emergencyexit → u/wps10]

When you put it like that it's kind of no wonder people are investing in TSLA. A business that can make money out of nothing? That's an appealing investment. At least until it's time to pay the piper.

[u/LOLBaltSS → u/powerlloyd]

If you really wanted a roadster designed by Hans that you can actually buy right now, there's always the Saturn Sky Red Line or Pontiac Solstice GXP and they'll be a fraction of the reserve price of the Tesla. Hell, you could even buy a Mallett version of either and still be way under $50k.

[u/castironglider → u/Toth-Amon]

I can't begin to understand why Tesla is so special when there are alternative EV supercars

$208K is less than the Tesla deposit!

[u/kawag → u/Toth-Amon]

Elon Musk is a Nazi.

If anyone buys a car from his company, you deserve everything you get, and I will never have one iota of sympathy for you; in fact, I wish you nothing but misery and suffering.

[u/Azkahn616 → u/Toth-Amon]

I would never have guessed there were that many dopes with money.

[u/Illisanct]

The deposit for the 2017 roadster was $250,0000. Since then, the S&P500 has doubled twice. If these fools had invested that deposit instead of giving the richest man on the planet a free loan, they'd have a million bucks right now.

[u/TommiHPunkt → u/Illisanct]

TSLA went from $2 in 2012 to $20 bucks in $2017 to ~$400  (wildly fluctuating) now.

The people buying into this hype are people who have tesla stocks and got rich with them

[u/Ok_Second_2602 → u/TommiHPunkt]

Bingo. Deep down they don’t believe the bullshit coming out of Elon’s mouth. Tesla’s stock price defies reality, so Elon and the shareholders have to pretend these ridiculous demos will finally turn into an actual successful product. Elon hit a home run with the Model 3 and Y, and since then Tesla hasn’t been a serious company. It’s a stock fraud scheme driven by hype.

[u/CaptainMonkeyJack → u/Illisanct]

I suspect most people putting $250k down in 2017 *already* have a million bucks.

[u/YMS444 → u/Illisanct]

Not to say that Tesla's behavior here isn't shady, but the 2017 deposit was $ 50,000 (for a car that was announced to be priced at $ 200,000, or $ 250,000 for the first 1000 ones; and to reach production in 2020, of course). The additional $ 250,000 deposit tier for the "thrust" version has been introduced just now.

EDIT: 2020, not 202

[u/wanderlustcub → u/Illisanct]

Well, something to consider is that 250k in 2017 is only worth 181k in 2026 dollars.

Though investing it would be a better move.

[u/FrequentFortune123]

What’s nuts is that Tesla is worth all the other automakers combined and still can’t put out a car. 

[u/fredy31 → u/FrequentFortune123]

Really shows how stupid the stock market is.

Tesla is a new company compared to the fords or hyundai or ferraris.

The last decade:

• superstar ceo shown to be a fucking nazi.
• puts out cybertruck. A truck that cant do truck things.
• promise a new model. Cant deliver for years.
• and now they say they cant even deliver on preorders made.

Still most valuable car brand by a mile.

[u/Valuable_Injury_4249 → u/fredy31]

How did promise fully autonomous driving vehicles since 2016 not make the list?!

[u/thisinfinitebath → u/fredy31]

Because there are so many ignorants ended up holding the bag. 

[u/sump_daddy → u/thisinfinitebath]

Really just showing what a scam the entirety of the stock market is. Dividends are meaningless, shareholder rights dont exist, big companies cant fail, whats left to actually buy and sell? Its a ponzi all the way down at this point.

[u/snoogins355 → u/FrequentFortune123]

It's a hell of a racket

[u/Anubis17_76 → u/FrequentFortune123]

Copium is o e hell of a drug

[u/dijonspider]

just like your doge refund check

[u/Throwsims3 → u/dijonspider]

Just like the original roadster too. That one was "revealed" in 2017 and then the Muskrat kept making new promises about the timeline for years and years. Now we're here in 2026 and they have announced a new roadster that probably won't be released either. The people who are paying for this are downright gullible.

[u/DethFace]

Yeah the lawsuits coming are gunna be fun to watch.

[u/l30 → u/DethFace]

The terms buyers agree to probably favor Tesla dramatically.

[u/yogibear420 → u/l30]

Yeah the terms literally say we dont know when or if we’ll deliver you a car….

[u/Telope → u/l30]

Are they even buyers if there's no product? It's pure vaporware.

[u/burnSMACKER → u/DethFace]

Suits for what? Tesla doing exactly what purchasers agreed they were ok with?

[u/ST21roochella]

Lmao, it's almost as if the car was never produced and the stunt at the show was just a large RC car. Classic musk.

[u/Lead_resource → u/ST21roochella]

It was literally a stunt car I don't understand why people dont get it. We have had stunt cars doing this type of stuff since the 80s for movies and shows. A stunt car has usually a couple time uses and that it

[u/sump_daddy → u/Lead_resource]

Because Musk stood there insisting this is the new production roadster, that it would be driving on racetracks very soon, that it would be on preorder and it would be coming to dealerships after that.

So what youre saying is, 'why dont people get that Musk is totally full of shit in everything he says'

that, i guess, is the trillion dollar question

[u/Blando-Cartesian]

Did Tesla ever produce the full self driving update that customers paid extra for some 15 years ago?

[u/upvoatsforall → u/Blando-Cartesian]

It’s coming next year. 

Whenever you feel the need to ask again, please refer to this comment. Regardless of how long you wait to ask again. 

[u/NeverTrollin → u/upvoatsforall]

It will be available right after trump releases his healthcare plan.

[u/Negative-Wrap95 → u/NeverTrollin]

I was assured "two weeks"

[u/BabypintoJuniorLube → u/Negative-Wrap95]

That's for infrastructure week, which has actually been "2 weeks away" since 2016.

Glad my shitty neighbor was so excited to for infrastructure week when he voted for this guy in 2016- my old neighbor is probably dead now and never got to see infrastructure week implemented.

[u/ShoeLate6266 → u/NeverTrollin]

That’s right after midterms if I remember correctly.

[u/sump_daddy → u/ShoeLate6266]

Right after that 'day one' when he ends the ukraine war

which day one? we may never know

[u/NeverTrollin → u/sump_daddy]

That’s the day after Mexico cuts the check for the wall

[u/Willing-Major5528 → u/upvoatsforall]

Like the manned trip to Mars and the hyperloop - definitely next year too.

[u/Negative-Wrap95 → u/Blando-Cartesian]

Ha hahahahhahahahahahaha, no.

[u/ReportOne620]

At this point the Roadster reservation is just a zero-interest loan to Tesla.

[u/jorgesalvador → u/ReportOne620]

It’s called a scam

[u/ProgrammerOk8339]

So the same as the last roadster? 250k deposits turned into a 250k interest free loan for a car that never got produced. Who falls for this grift anymore.

[u/bakunyuusentai → u/ProgrammerOk8339]

You should see the tesla subreddits right now...

[u/ProgrammerOk8339 → u/bakunyuusentai]

Yeah i got banned from posting for calling out the obvious. They are all losing their minds over a flying car like its going to happen. Then i commented how elon has been promising full driverless teslas were 2 years away every year for the past 10. Hes the king of overpromising and underdelivering.

[u/CatsPlusTats → u/ProgrammerOk8339]

People who think Musk isn't a nazi.

[u/ProgrammerOk8339 → u/CatsPlusTats]

Even the nazis made fanta. I think a lot of the pro elon voices pushing back the hardest are bots or investors in the stock.

[u/YKRed → u/ProgrammerOk8339]

The third reich actually did con people with a layaway car program.

[u/douche_ex_machina_69 → u/CatsPlusTats]

People who are supportive of Musk being a Nazi. That’s the difference, and it’s a big one.

[u/Ninja_Wrangler]

Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with the reservations. They know how to take a reservation but not how to hold one

[u/Con_Dinn_West → u/Ninja_Wrangler]

"I'm sorry sir but we ran out of cars"

[u/IfYouGotALonelyHeart → u/Ninja_Wrangler]

Not quite. Tesla knows how to take a reservation, they don’t know how to fulfill the concept of the product they claim to be making.

[u/joelfarris]

"Tell you what, each of you give us a quarter million dollars in advance, and we're gonna call it a deposit rather than a fundraising drive..."

[u/TomReed1872]

Because it’s not real. It’s was a stock pump gimmick.

[u/TheLonelySnail]

Didn’t they see what happened with the Cybertruck? These people are idiots

[u/WillametteSalamandOR]

Is it like Star Citizen? Will you get parts of your car but you may not live long enough to see the whole car?

[u/explicittv → u/WillametteSalamandOR]

You get pictures of what the car parts may theoretically look like

[u/PPlateSmurf → u/WillametteSalamandOR]

Whenever I see star citizen mentioned i am reminded that i chose to support it rather than buy Bitcoin in 2014

[u/SilentRunning]

No one is getting one, it's vapor ware just like all the other great ideas he's shown. Anyone remember that tunnel company? Or his humanoid robots?

[u/triponthisman]

Of course they will! After all we have the Hyperloop, full self driving, the Cybertruck was a massive success, and the first colonization mission to Mars in underway!

[u/ZhaozhouCongshen]

Can't wait for $100k over MSRP markups. Only for the values to crash like that cyber truck.

[u/namastayhom33 → u/ZhaozhouCongshen]

Got me thinking , I used to see a ton of cybertrucks on the road, now I barely see any.

[u/CoffeeNerd → u/namastayhom33]

I am currently in Florida and I have seen way more than I expected.

[u/factoid_ → u/namastayhom33]

I saw one today, but you’re right I saw more last year for sure

I think people are embarrassed to drive them

[u/kstar79 → u/factoid_]

I see way too many of them around where we live. My daughter calls them the "ugly car." Even a 5-year-old knows a stupid design when they see one.

[u/factoid_ → u/kstar79]

I don’t mind how they look from front.  It’s from behind that they look truly terrible.

Dumpster on wheels 

[u/ew73 → u/factoid_]

It's the rainy season; can't take them out in this weather, or they'll rust.

[u/factoid_ → u/ew73]

I’ve seen quite a few around here that are vinyl wrapped

[u/accountforrealppl → u/namastayhom33]

still a ton where i live, maybe everyone in your city sold them to people in atlanta

[u/Woooferine → u/ZhaozhouCongshen]

You are such an optimist in assuming this publicity stunt model will ever get delivered.

[u/Environmental_Yak13]

So like … the roadster…

[u/Vitiligogoinggone]

Because it doesn’t exist.  The video is only out there to give hookup to the upcoming shitty quarterly results.   

[u/Thud]

So it’s basically a Kickstarter project

[u/Kilbane]

Don't buy a car from a Nazi...

[u/aminervia]

No shit, a "car" crammed full of pressurized air on the verge of exploding with the slightest tap is never gonna be allowed on city roads -- no evidence if these cars actually have enough room inside for actual people (notice the windows were dark tinted in the display)

[u/TheSpecialSpecies]

So it’s a Ponzi scheme?

[u/Wild-Highway-8739]

"You're completely wrong this isnt a con, or stock price boost thing or a cash grab." Tesla marks lining up to buy one.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[u/Deviantdefective]

I fucking called it, it's nothing more than an attempted stock pump

[u/vt8919]

It's like putting down a deposit for an apple, nine years later finding out it's now an orange, but it isn't a real orange, just one shaped like the final orange, and it'l be a real thing in 2028... just trust us.

[u/Getafix69]

Whole thing is probably filled with a gigantic tank of air that lasts for maybe 5 seconds of use.

Never going to be a real car, it's pure gimmick.

[u/Robin_Banks101 → u/Getafix69]

7 seconds according to Tesla. It also takes 6 hours to refill and there are "infrastructure issues" they haven't solved yet. In other words it absolutely doesn't work.

[u/deathrictus → u/Robin_Banks101]

And the pressurized tanks would basically make the car a bomb in an accident.

[u/ihugyou → u/deathrictus]

Right behind your brain! Literally.

[u/AustrianReaper → u/ihugyou]

I'm goint to take a wild guess and say that isn't an issue for buyers.

[u/colin_staples → u/ihugyou]

People who think this will actually perform stunts like it did in the presentation, don't have a brain

[u/Hairy_Concert_8007 → u/Getafix69]

And probably just a big plastic shell. If you pause the video during the aerial view of the flip, you can see the underside of the car. It's just a large, unserviceable plastic panel.

[u/hitsujiTMO → u/Hairy_Concert_8007]

That's pretty normal in electric cars.

[u/Gwthrowaway80 → u/Hairy_Concert_8007]

There’s not many features on the bottom of any teslas. Most have a flat metal skid plate covering the battery. Outside of some suspension components that might be visible, they are pretty featureless.

I am not saying this is a real car, I’m just saying this is not evidence one way or another.

[u/Dawn_of_an_Era → u/Hairy_Concert_8007]

Have you looked at the bottom of any of the other Teslas? It looks the same

[u/asphaltdragon → u/Hairy_Concert_8007]

Most high end vehicles do that to the underside for aerodynamics. Not saying it's not fake, but a giant plastic panel doesn't mean it's unserviceable, just that the panel may need to be removed.

[u/Ok-Mastodon2420 → u/asphaltdragon]

This car is supposed to have an "active vacuum" system on the underside, not a plastic frame

[u/ouyawei → u/Ok-Mastodon2420]

Well it did drive up on that wall

[u/AreWeThereYetNo → u/Getafix69]

Do people really believe they’ll be purchasing flying cars?

[u/Jnovak9561]

What's the saying about a fool and his money?

[u/micromoses]

That’s not what a reservation is.

[u/Nintendo1964]

*(anything negative about it)

"bUt DiD yOu sEe tHe cAr dO tHe tHiNg? ThE fLiPpY thiNg?"

[u/saturnlcs]

Smoke and mirrors. Oh wait. Nitrogen

[u/HurtFeeFeez]

All their deposit money was spent on that propaganda stunt the other day. Enjoy!

[u/IllRadish8765]

Of course not. Anyone not a complete slobbering idiot would understand that it was a stunt car.

[u/jhguth]

they already launched a roadster and took money and never delivered, anyone who falls for it this time has no one to blame but themselves

[u/Videmal]

and they think they will have boosters?

[u/nimsu]

So they'll get their deposit back, right?

[u/samuraiseoul → u/nimsu]

You're forgetting the first rule of aquisition!

"Once you have their money, you never give it back."

[u/j_j-j_jr_shabadoo → u/nimsu]

Give what back?

[u/SamSLS]

It’s like the Trump Phone! These guys just keep pulling the same grift and the same morons keep falling for it.

[u/asphaltdragon → u/SamSLS]

Except the Trump Phone is real. Granted it's a shitty Temu Android loaded with bloatware, spyware, and painted chrome gold, but it is at least real.

[u/DeathMonkey6969]

People are still waiting for the Tesla Semi.

Remember the Tesla unofficial motto "Over promise and under deliver."

[u/CharmingFit-503]

Anybody who believes that clown at this point deserves whatever they (don’t) get

[u/hornetjockey]

No one is getting the car they showed.

[u/ARobertNotABob]

"Take what you can, give nothing back."

• Pirates Of The Caribbean Tech Industry

[u/Repulsive_Mud_567]

But but but flying car so coooool.

[u/Winter_Whole2080 → u/Repulsive_Mud_567]

Yeah that’s a P.T. Barnum clown show of wasted money— why not use that money put out the stupid Roadster

[u/Beneficial-Age-4059 → u/Repulsive_Mud_567]

I guess we know where all that Doge money went

[u/jks513 → u/Repulsive_Mud_567]

It wasn’t flying.  Just controlled falling. 

[u/jetstream100]

Why do people wanna buy a Tesla and give Elon more money ?

[u/MudWallHoller → u/jetstream100]

My conservative family, mechanical engineer/game designer, love him and think he's a genius. I can only imagine about a third of America does. I hate this time line.

[u/_John_Dillinger → u/MudWallHoller]

interesting. I work in a mech eng shop and everyone thinks he's a joke. Literally a fireable offense to drive a tesla.

[u/liquidgrill → u/MudWallHoller]

I’m old enough to remember when conservatives all hated him because he made electric vehicles, relied on government subsidies and was outspoken on the reality of climate change and the necessity of transitioning away from fossil fuels.

Suddenly he calls a rescue diver a pedophile and accuses Twitter of content moderation for not allowing his rank stupidity, and they all love him.

[u/Doglovincatlady → u/jetstream100]

Cult of personality. 

[u/Snow-Ball-486 → u/jetstream100]

ask the indian H1-B tech workers why they all drive teslas (source i work in big tech)

[u/aarswft]

Venn diagram of Star Citizen and Tesla supporters is a stack of unloved pancakes at this point.

[u/Diz7]

He already promised a Roadster with compressed air rockets in 2018, they were supposed to be available in 2020 and they already took 50k (250k for founders edition) deposits for this next gen Roadster then. He also promised double the driving range they have.

[u/heyItsDubbleA → u/Diz7]

New aged scammers are awesome. At least the con men in the past would give you something lol

[u/Crafty_Ish1973]

At this point, anyone giving Elon money is a fool. Just set your money on fire and be done with it.

[u/mad-i-moody]

Oh so just like trump phone?

[u/bikenvikin]

it's not electric anymore, right?

[u/xdr01]

Vapourware now with real vapour.

[u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Scammers continue to scam, believers continue to be… idiots.

It’s embarrassing how many people are just eating up this crap.

[u/Admirable_Science867]

Yeah this wasnt surprising at all .

[u/MartyBro30]

“There’s a sucker born every minute”. He’s truly one of the most talented snake oil salesmen

[u/imtalkintou]

But they'll get their deposit back in sure.....

[u/JoJack82]

9 years since the Roadster started taking deposits, no shit

[u/dakotanorth8]

Hasn’t that been the story with the roaster since day one?

I recently showed my gal “Silicon Valley,” and there’s literally a scene saying Dinesh can reserve a roadster.

2018.

[u/Usual-Language-745]

Can people please stop giving Elon interest free loans? He has enough money, and should be accountable for delivering on a promise once in his life 

[u/TeeDee144]

Alternative headline: soy boy Elon Musk is running out of money after being fleeced by 32 baby momma gold diggers who never actually loved him and just wanted his money, making him the loneliest loser on the planet.

[u/el_f3n1x187]

WTF would you give money to this tool xD

[u/nvmenotfound]

bc it was a bs stunt/spectacle

[u/vitaminalgas]

Roh oh! The N@zi Nerd Overlord dorks aren't going to like this r/TeslaLounge

[u/Powerful_Resident_48]

Elon doing Musk things again. 

[u/Wizard-of-pause]

Have to give it to give it to Elon, he successfully choked the news cycle of a documentary about him that just dropped in the cinemas.

"When are the wildest parties? "

[u/Meowgorithms]

It’s the trump phone of cars.

[u/Masterofmenow]

Hopefully the competition catches up to him soon and his shield, the BYD is lifted.

[u/mrcake123]

Lolololololoooooooooolololololol

[u/Holeshot75]

Ya that sounds about right

[u/thunderbuttjuice]

Trump phone 2.0

[u/FanDry5374]

Those will be the lucky ones.

[u/uniklyqualifd]

Elon Musk is paying to destroy American democracy. 

[u/Clessiah]

Strong Nazi VW energy

[u/zer04ll]

sam waited over 7 years after paying 50k, you will never get one or see one its a grift

[u/argama87]

Vaporware in car form.

[u/rupert1920]

I get a huge PR event like the one Tesla did will drive engagement, from both sides of the spectrum, with various degrees of automotive knowledge. What I detest is clickbait headlines like this from people who should know better, such as automotive journalists.

Should we be skeptical about Tesla's promises and their timelines? Yes. History has repeatedly shown them overpromising things, time and time again.

Is the wording in the preorder agreement evidence for that? No. The article quotes the preorder agreement: "You understand that Roadster is still under development at the time you entered into this Agreement and so we cannot guarantee when your vehicle will actually be delivered or if it will be delivered." That, on its surface, seems like damning evidence right? Especially for us who don't regularly read pre-order agreements. It sounds like Tesla is plain telling us they have no confidence they can deliver.

However, all it takes is a cursory look at other manufacturers' preorder agreements, and you will find similar wording - regardless of how trustworthy or how much of a vaporware their upcoming product is. For example, this is a generic wording for Ford's preorder agreement:

By completing the Reservation Process, you are not ordering or purchasing a vehicle... Participation in the Program does not guarantee you vehicle delivery... Ford, at its sole discretion, may decline or cancel your Reservation at any time, for any reason... Ford reserves the right to change, update, improve, correct, modify, suspend, discontinue or cancel all or part of the Program...

Here is one from Rivian:

Each Reservation you submit for a Vehicle acts as a deposit for a future purchase of the Vehicle. You are under no obligation to purchase a Vehicle from us, and we are under no obligation to supply you with a Vehicle.

This is standard boilerplate legal phrasing because companies understand there is always a possibility of changing production plans. Is Tesla more at risk of not delivering than these other two manufacturers? Possibly. But the inclusion of this type of phrasing is not evidence of that.

[u/Cheeky_Star]

Of course, which state is going to approve that car to be driven in their streets ?

[u/MrSnarf26]

Ah, there it is

[u/Turkino]

Honestly we need more affordable EVS not these cars for rich people to play with

[u/psychoacer]

CyberATV soon right?

[u/Knees0ck]

Damn, they are already doing a u-turn

[u/TimeToRepaint]

GreAtEsT INnoVaToR

[u/flower4000]

Who needs a car that can drift when you can ride on Elon’s grift.

[u/SimkinCA]

So more fraud, from the treasonous sociopath.

[u/Blackstar1886]

I guarantee that prototype demo will never be what people can actually buy.