r/truscum • • 2h ago

Rant and Vent FUUUUCKKK OFFFFF

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30 Upvotes

r/truscum • • 6h ago

Rant and Vent Pet peeve: tucutes using MtF/FtM

19 Upvotes

This is more so about people that are obsessed with AGAB language and think it actually matters, but in general those people are often tucutes.

How are you going to believe that sex change is impossible or not important… but describe every “transgender” person as FEMALE to MALE or MALE to FEMALE ??? Just stupid.


r/truscum • • 9h ago

Advice help hiding binder

9 Upvotes

hello. I live in an abusive, transphobic, slavic family (the 'i'll-starve-you-and-torture-you-with-sleep-deprivation' type of abusive) and I am stealth at university. to keep staying stealth (and to not die of dysphoria) i need to wear my binder BUT my mother constantly looks through my bag and i've had really close calls. yesterday she saw me carry my bag when I could've left it with her for 5 mins and she got suspicious and yelled at me for half an hour. i don't think it's sustainable for me to keep my binder at home and I need some suggestions as to where i could hide it OUTSIDE my home, preferably at uni. please help, hiding at a friend's is not an option


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Positivity Hunter Schafer Reveals She Underwent Bottom Surgery Last Year

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So happy for her!


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Rant and Vent No more rights, no more legal protection in shi**y Germany

70 Upvotes

The new law (self determination act - SBGG) doesn't change legal sex status anymore which was possible under the old law (transsexual act - TSG). It only changes sex marker and name. I have gone through TSG but SBGG says that its own paragraphs/articles are now valid for me. When I'm in front of the court to fight against discrimination, they handle me like I went through the SBGG instead of TSG. In order to reach the same effects of the paragraphs/articles from SBGG in my case, the judge must assume my changed legal sex status as invalid. And the SBGG destroyes rights and complete legal protection which we had under the TSG.

There is a political paper called "WD 7-064-25" which says that the changed sex marker is not a key to get access to sex specific areas like toilets, changing rooms, saunas. Under the TSG instead it was a key because the sex marker was stronger, it was the evidence of the changed legal sex status. Since SBGG it is much weaker (because of not changing legal sex status).

It goes more worse:

The new law states:

"§ 6

Effects of the change in sex marker and first names

(2) With regard to access to facilities and premises, as well as participation in events, the freedom of contract and the property owner’s or possessor’s right to manage their premises, as well as the right of legal entities to regulate their affairs through their bylaws, remain unaffected."

It remains unaffected from the effects of the change in sex marker! Sex marker is not a key and not an evidence anymore. And because the property owner has the explicit legal right to ignore ones changed sex marker and put you out of sex specific areas (also post-op transsex/neurointersex), you have no chance to win your fight against discrimination in front of the court, because the owner doesn't act illegal, he just uses § 6 Abs. 2 SBGG. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

I'm so fed up and tired of. We have now SBGG because of transgender movement, I could vomit.

Edit: § 15 Transitional Provisions

---(1) Proceedings pending as of November 1, 2024, under the Transsexuals Act, as in effect through October 31, 2024, inclusive, shall continue to be conducted in accordance with the law in effect through October 31, 2024, inclusive.

---(2) Sections 6 through 13 apply mutatis mutandis to changes to the sex marker and first names that were made pursuant to the versions of the following laws in effect through October 31, 2024, inclusive: 1. the Transsexuals Act, and 2. Section 45b of the Civil Status Act.

It is clear that, of all things, Section 14 of the SBGG does NOT apply to TSG graduates. We have no way to defend ourselves if someone intentionally out us in a way that causes us harm.

§ 14 Provisions on Fines

---(1) A person commits an administrative offense if, in violation of § 13(1), first sentence, they disclose a person’s legal sex status or first name and thereby intentionally cause harm to that person.

---(2) The administrative offense is punishable by a fine of up to ten thousand euros.

What a mess. We were integrated into the SBGG, but the only “consolation prize” (Section 14 of the SBGG) is being withheld from us TSG graduates.

Do you notice anything? Section 14 of the SBGG refers to legal sex status not to sex marker. Question: Why doesn’t it say, “who discloses their sex marker or a first name…”? After all, I can only disclose something that once existed and has now changed. Answer: It’s a clever turn of phrase designed to obscure the fact that legal sex status isn’t changed along with it.

I'm speechless.


r/truscum • • 9h ago

Advice How to come out to my grandparents

5 Upvotes

I just had to somehow maneuver my way out of explaining to my grandma why I traveled all the way to Warsaw for an endo appointment and with being given the green light to start HRT I realized I should start thinking about how to come out to my grandparents. They're not exactly wokesters, I remember them saying that in their times there were only gays and lesbians but that's all I know about their approach towards this stuff. They're polish and lived through communist Poland so I have nothing good to expect but at some point the changes will be too noticable and I don't think I'll be able to girlmode my way out of it. My parents already know and are okay with it


r/truscum • • 23h ago

Rant and Vent Calling myself a boy feels so awkward now because of “transgenders”

32 Upvotes

“I’m a valid fem tboy >:3” and they have their female sex characteristics on full display

I hate how they sexualised the term “boy”. it is a term for a male CHILD.

and I, a male child (i fit the term “child” because i’m under 18) shouldn’t be made to feel awkward using this term that i fall under because of people with fetishes faking a medical condition


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate Why would a trans man want to carry a child?

101 Upvotes

It genuinely baffles me in a way I genuinely, truly cannot understand. Why would someone who identifies as male want to do the literal most female thing you could possibly do?

How would that not cause incredible dysphoria? How does a man want to be pregnant?

To me, this feels like the whole Man Lite thing. Like stuff like this is why so many people don’t see trans men as real men, because how can you be a man and be perfectly fine with getting pregnant, carrying the baby in your body for 9 months, and then giving birth??

Can anyone please explain this to me? How can someone with dysphoria connected to being female do that?


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate I Don't Understand Why So Many Trans People and Activists Struggle to Answer "What is a Woman?"

53 Upvotes

The answer is "Adult Human Female."

And yes, that includes fully transitioned trans women. That includes me. I changed my sex medically and surgically. I am female in the eyes of the law, and to everyone around me. Why would I ever take issue with the definition?

Frankly, I think it says a lot about someone's perception of what it means to be trans if they can't just give that answer.


r/truscum • • 7h ago

Other... have terms like transsexual 4 transsexual been coined yet?

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I’m not interested in dating, but would a term like transsexual 4 transsexual be useful for those who are and are primarily or exclusively interested in other transsexuals? (who have or plan to get full SRS)
when i say primarily attracted to transsexuals i don’t mean they might be attracted to tucutes i mean theyre mostly interested in dating other transsexuals but wont mind being w a cis person

I know calling yourself a t4t transmed would be enough to drive trenders away but if your bio or something doesn’t have space for all of that a shortened term could be TSX4TSX or TX4TX ?

lmk what you guys think. I made this in good faith and i’m open to constructive criticism and different views and such just don’t be an asshole


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Advice A strange trans woman keeps talking to me at my karate class

58 Upvotes

So, I am an underage trans girl who does karate at my local dojo in Florida. Basically, I have been going for a while and it's been great. There is a trans woman who is a brown belt, and she has been acting as a sort of mentor for me to help me train and get better. However, things took a strange turn when I think she clocked me. She started talking to me about her surgeries, and really specific details about them that made me uncomfortable. I ignored it for the most part and just nodded along, until she started acting weird to my dad. She came up to him at the end of class and started talking to him offering to help give rides to the dojo (mind you, I didn't even know her that well, she was just helping me level up for the past week or so), and talking very loudly about how it's hard being trans in 2026. Now, this is in front of everyone. When some old lady who was lowk ignorant came up and started making excuses for transphobic policies, the trans woman essentially outed me by saying "when you're trans like her, you don't get to fence-sit" or something like that. Anyways, I'm really weirded out by this whole scenario. Not only did she out me, she also offered to give rides to the dojo which is concerning ngl. What should I do?


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Rant and Vent Got called a ‘ fake trans ‘ today

17 Upvotes

Pretty crazy as it was a random person replying to me. My situation is pretty much; unable to start testosterone due to my situation. My dad is religious and completely against it, i live in a religious, far right, transphobic/homophobic area, going on testosterone currently risks me being bullied for a whole year. Yet i’m a ‘ fake trans ‘ for not starting testosterone yet because i cannot risk the changes of testosterone until i leave high school and move away. Just have no idea how this makes me a fake trans? 😅


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate Thoughts on this ad from 1997?

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r/truscum • • 1d ago

Transition Discussion When did you first experience dysphoria/incongruence?

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Hello, i have a sincere question that i feel like always differentiates me from transgenders online I’ve met. I don’t identify with transgenderism, but i do with transsexuality or incongruence with my birth sex, which I presume you guys do as well.

When did you first realize that you were transsexual? For most people online, I hear it happens from 13-18, which surprises me. Personally, it was the first moment I even really thought about gender, and “my” gender. I want to know your story, and I want to share my experience too to see if anybody can relate to me, but you don’t need to read it, for it is long.

For me, I didn’t have the words yet. I was probably four years old, I had just gotten done playing with my friend, we were playing as a brother and a sister. She was a sister, and I was a brother. I had always displayed depressive symptoms, even as a toddler. Especially when my mother forced femininity onto me so she could take photographs of me for her photography company, it felt humiliating, but I was compliant and never complained. Of course, I wasn’t aware of the implications of gender or gender-roles. That was the first time I even considered it. I imagined how I would look as a boy, what kind of clothes I’d wear, how I’d grow up to be a man, etc. (I didn’t really know much about sexual differences between sexes back then, so it wasn’t relevant). And I had a distress to some degree about being feminine. My mother recalls the days before photo shoots, I’d draw a mustache on myself and ask to be a pirate instead, I know it’s silly, but I was four.

That was my first taste of sexual incongruence. I didn’t have much defining feminine sexual traits of course, but I did feel an impending doom on the idea of developing that way, albeit kind of convoluted and abstract, as I wasn’t sure what to expect. The first time I realized I was transsexual was when I watched a video on YouTube about it at the age of nine, it was probably 2017 then (I am 18 now.) I saw it and cried. “Wait, I don’t have to end my suffering to be happy, am I actually a boy?” Basically. I know this is weird to those who aren’t religious, but I later understood God’s plan for me as being a transsexual male, for the ultimate goal to be a male. It was the first time I felt connected to God. (I’m not trying to proselytize by the way, it was just my experience and still is.) As puberty progressed (kind of mildly and slow for me, I probably had low estrogen levels looking back) every day felt like torture, and I was only hanging on for the day I could start testosterone at 18.

Many people tell me they didn’t realize they were trans well into puberty, which is surprising ! I’m not a doctor, or a therapist, and I cannot claim someone is faking, but many don’t seem to represent transsexual traits, and many individuals begin to exhibit signs after exposure to trans people online or irl. I know that exposure is how you can garner the vocabulary for your experience, but it felt less like finding the words to describe something, and more like a spontaneous addition to someone’s story, but I’m hesitant to judge.


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate A serious question regarding the classic "trans-biological" defense.

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If being a woman (or a man) is, fundamentally, a matter of specific brain structures and dispositions, does this mean that someone who lacks these "female" structures and dispositions—even if they experience dysphoria—would not, in reality, be a trans woman? I raise this in light of the frequently cited argument that we, as trans women, possess a biological basis that aligns us with cisgender women; the idea is that we are simply women whose phenotype does not match our actual gender. While this argument may be effective for silencing transphobic individuals, is it truly a universal rule that all trans women share—to a greater or lesser extent—brain structures similar to those of cisgender women? I am not certain; it seems conceivable, at least in principle, for someone to experience genuine dysphoria without possessing a "typically female" brain structure.

I raise this in good faith. I am a trans woman myself, but, as it stands, I do not find this particular line of reasoning rationally convincing. One might argue that if we were to examine the brains of all trans women, we would invariably find patterns or structures characteristic of cisgender women. To this, someone might respond that my mind is simply drifting away from physical reality: the fact that I can *conceive* of a different scenario does not imply that it exists, or that it is even possible, in the material world. I don’t know—perhaps there are laws governing the brain’s metacognitive systems that preclude any incongruence between physical brain states and mental states—much like how, given the presence of fuel (combustible material) and the necessary causal conditions for combustion, combustion (thermal excitation) must inevitably occur. For instance, it is theoretically conceivable that the Earth could be flat; However, no sensible person would deny that the Earth is, in fact, a spheroid (slightly flattened at the poles), and it may well be true that, given the physical laws of the universe, no other shape for planetary bodies was even possible. In other words, perhaps there exists a contingent causal dependency between brain states and mental states—something along the lines of: "For every brain state *C* in a possible world *W*, there exists a specific, corresponding mental state *M* at any given time *T* when *C* manifests." That seems reasonable, don't you think? While this might appear to be a defensible position, it is inevitable that one could imagine a trans woman who does not possess typically female brain structures. Then again—as I mentioned earlier—perhaps I am simply pushing the power of my own imagination too far.

What do you think?


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate Can someone please give me an explanation of bio essentialism?

10 Upvotes

I’ve seen this word before tossed around in trans spaces annd how it’s looked down upon and I’m curious to what it is and why it maybe flawed


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Rant and Vent Guilt

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This is going to be quite short, as i don't think i cant word this any other way.

I absolutely hate how I, as a transman, behave. It like a freight train of dysphoria runs me over when i conduct myself in any manner that makes me feel feminine. I did all these things, like change my posture, voice train, get into more masculine hobbies, and yet doing all this has begun to feel like I'm trying to prove something to myself.

Everything i do seems to be doing me more harm than good— constantly reminding me that I'm basically being molested by the wrong puberty and that I'm like a poor imitation of what a real man is, its awful and plagues my mind.

Followed by that, its like I dont even see myself as a man whenever I think of myself in the third person, i literally catch myself calling me a she, or referring to myself by my old name.

It's whatever though. The only relief i really get is when im not thinking of myself at all, I dont even take pictures of myself (including during special events) to alleviate my dysphoria. Works decent 😪


r/truscum • • 2d ago

Advice My friend pretends to have periods and buys tampons, am i in the wrong for wanting to ask what's up with that?

68 Upvotes

I'm 24, queer cis woman. Apologies for the essay! Ive posted this here because i trust the truscum community to understand the angle I'm coming from and see that it's in good faith

Last year I became close friends with someone (38MtF) who came out as a trans woman and started transitioning early on in the friendship. I've always supported her, publicly advocated for her in the community, and tried to be a good friend. I took her shopping and bought her first femme outfit, done her make up, anything i can to help. Growing up my best friend in high-school came out as a trans man. It was so rough with the dysphoria. I'd never want anyone to go through that so I do my bit and always have with my gender queer friends (hence the truscum ideas). I thought I was non binary at one point in my life, but went back on this cause I figured out my "dysphoria" wasnt gender related. I just hated my body. Despite these experiences, I am not immune to harmful opinions, I ask that I'm checked (politely obviously) cause I want to do the right thing by someone I consider one of my best friends.

The situation is that while my she is medically transitioning and takes E, she says she has periods. I always understood it as the emotional and physiological symptoms of a monthly hormonal cycle. My personal experience is that I've menstruated since I was 10 with extreme pain and ovarian cysts. I used to openly judge cis women for complaining abt their 3-day-light-bleed while I have a 9-day-blood-bath. I make efforts not to do this anymore, cause my abnormal periods aren't a measuring stick. Just cause its not as bad as mine doesn't mean it isn't shit for them, and no one should have a shit period. I take the same approach with my friend. She doesn't cramp or bleed, but that's okay cause why does she need to suffer?

Then came the tampons. I thought maybe she just carried them in her bag for people in public bathrooms. But they're all over her house. One was outside on the path to her front door and she said it just dropped out of her bag. There were a few in the hallway, on the living room floor, under the dining table. Just..wtf? I don't want to shit on her ways of dealing with gender dysphoria(GD). I don't know what GD feels like so I'm not in a position to judge coping with it. But pretending to have a period to the point of complaining to me abt it knowing how excruciating they can be to now buying tampons and scattering them all over her house as if it's something to be romantacised is just..odd. Also, tampons are kept in the bathroom not the front door, is this a cry for attention??

I wanted to ask her why she's pretending to have periods in such a way. She is lucky enough to have bottom surgery lined up in the next year, so surely she knows that any surgery she gets will not give her the ability to bleed like that? I don't want to be individualistic or self centred. If this is just a widely accepted way to deal with dysphoria, please check me. Do I ask her if she's okay and what gives, or do I shut the fuck up and mind my business?


r/truscum • • 1d ago

Advice I (19M) still look 15. Am I stuck like this?

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I’m 19, and 2 years on T. I still look like a 15 year old. I pass 100% but am assumed to be in high school a lot of the time. At uni I never really get any comments, but I definitely look young. Being 5’4 doesn’t help. I also have some pretty scraggly facial hair that is consistent with teenage boy facial hair.

Has anyone here who looked young at ~2 years on T eventually matured to look their age further down the line?

Some extra info below:

About my dose: I started on a low dose, and am still not on the higher side of normal (585.7ng/dL at last lab). My doc is trying to help me get to a higher dose, but it’s been weird. Newest lab on increased dose had a lower t level than on the previous dose. There are also some other things (hematocrit, etc.) that increase more with the higher dose that we have to keep an eye on. I am getting another test soon to see what we should do. So work in progress in that sector ig.

Minox concerns:
I’m really scared to try minoxidil because I work with animals and am around them all the time. I’m also cautious of oral minox bc I head it can have some cardiovascular effects and I have a pretty significant predisposition to heart issues.

Any advice is welcome


r/truscum • • 2d ago

News and Politics Well, the UK is entirely fucked.

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I honestly dont get what is happening with the UK right now.

Hospital wards are based on 'biological sex' (and biological sex isnt even defined). Why the fuck is this a thing?

An MP literally posted that single sex wards have to be by birth sex because her mother was in a mixed sex ward and she had to stay and make sure her mother wouldnt be upset about a trans person on the mixed sex ward.. and it was an emergency ward no less. How the fuck is that even relevant to single sex spaces?? How the fuck are we meant to enforce single sex wards in the emergency department...

And why the fuck are we saying that female wards HAVE to be only those born female. What if theres a trans woman post every surgery, what if there was a trans woman needing gynaecological care. What if there was a trans man past every surgery.

As trans people, literally where are we allowed to go anymore. I cant go on the mens ward because I was born female, I cant go on the female ward because I might 'frighten women', I cant be on a mixed sex ward otherwise an MP might post about me online and make me out to be a predator for needing emergency care.

Do we get shoved in the corridor and ignored? Do we get forced into a side room then told we're 'wasting resources' because we dont NEED side rooms but we're forced into them (seen this comment quite a few times, blaming us for this)? Do we literally just suffer?

Im literally terrified of being alive now. Im THIS close to dropping out of uni because Im studying vetmed and if I get any injuries, Ill be in hospital probably stuffed in a corridor to be ignored - we already have higher rates of medical neglect, why do they want it to be higher.

I seriously cant cope with the country anymore. I thought my 8 years on the waitlist for medical care (then another couple years for medications, then infinite years until getting surgeries.. if I ever get to those stages lol) was insane, but this is genuinely next level.

Do we literally just refuse to go to hospital? I think thats gotta be my plan. If it fucks my body up for the rest of my life, or if it kills me, its tough I guess. I would never be able to survive mentally if I was treated like some kinda freak of nature on those wards.

Im terrified to even go to the GP anymore. This bullshit transphobia everywhere will probably mean Ill get fucked over because there are literally NO protections left for us anymore. I mean, can anyone give an example of what could be deemed 'transphobia' if we have to be referred to as our birth sexes in medical settings, in public spaces like toilets or changing rooms, if our IDs have literally been called fakes in the 'Equality' Act, if the entire gender recognition act is void now that we are to be treated as our birth sexes, if people are allowed to call us 'TIMs/TIFs' or 'biological male/female', if we are allowed to be called paedophiles or predators simply for existing in spaces we're 'meant' to be in (see: mixed sex wards MPs post).

I genuinely just cant. Im so done.

Edit: a trans woman has literally been killed by this (or at least shes one that we know of). She was denied going onto a cancer ward because they were only single sex wards... she was denied going into the space she was 'supposed' to go into... Its fucking heartbreaking. Its literally murder that isnt only allowed, but supported and ENCOURAGED. She was MURDERED because of this fucking law.


r/truscum • • 2d ago

Discussion Thread [DISCUSSION THREAD] What are some of the most common stereotypes about trans people, and how do they impact your life?

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r/truscum • • 1d ago

Discussion and Debate What is agp? Autogynophilia

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I've seen it used in this sub and I've seen a "trans woman" saying she was proud of being one on social media but idk what that is. Can someone help me understand it?


r/truscum • • 2d ago

Other... Best pack and play prosthetics

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I find it’s super hard to find the right product that suits you especially ones for sex I have had no problem with finding packers all have worked super well but finding one for sex that can give you sensation is difficult.I have tried the peacock inflatable and it suits me good because it can be soft and hard and saves time and gives a gender affirming experience without having to put a strap on but the pleasure system does not work for me I won’t go into detail but I’ve had my fun with it but I want something where I can feel pleasure as-well as my partner.

Preferably I would want something realistic no strap needed maybe just suitable boxers or adhesively attached.reliable pleasure system I have minimal growth maybe about half an inch so something that can work with that.

Anyone got any products they recommend or experiences with different types of products?

Been looking into the Emisil ER05.


r/truscum • • 2d ago

Discussion and Debate it does depresses me how accepted transphobia is

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its depressing to look at transphobic peoples posts and realise most normal people agree with to some exent they just not rude abt it, its depressing its normised to treat trans woman as their agab its depressing even if can stealth you can always still be seen as your agab if your outted even if you pass, its depressing how outting trans people is seen as acceptible to most cis people even morality encourage it, its depressing how dehumanised trans people, its depressing most cis will never genuinely want understand you or unlearn bio essentism views even if your their friend, its depressing how wanting anything as a trans person is great crime you have to accept your place as a third gender freak, its depressing how intolerant some cis people are while claiming to be supportive, its depressing most cis people think being trans is a mental illness but they just dont want to be rude abt it, its depressing most cis would laugh at you or think your delusional if you called this a medical condition. its depressing it doesnt matter what trans people want cis allies decide for us and dissmiss our genuine needs. its depressing how this post could turn a cis person transphobic because they already mde their mind, its depressing how much trans people have to walk on eggshells because trans people commiting one of the worst social crimes to them and trans people have to constantly apologise for they existance or be doormats to get social acceptance. its depressing how trans people can try their best to be good people but one other person makes them disliked. its depressing how cis can justify 99% of trasns minors not having assess to hrt if means saving a less then one percent of cis woman they will get mild masculinazation at most but 99% of trans get full mulitation and get no empathy for it as well as ruining thier life and forcing them to waste their 20s saving for surgeries they would have never needed if they got treatment at the right time. its depressing how you know you have to hide being trans because you KNOW that cis people will discriminate or treat you differently if your outted and not that a horrible medical condition that ruined your life and you simply dont want out yourself for pravicy reason, its depressing how being trans can always be used against you and never to help you, its depressing we have to accept this is how trans people are treated even if they pass because we have no social power at all, its depressing how little a cis person could do humanise us to their friends or co workers but they dont. its depressing you dont really want question your cis friends abt their options on trans indepth because you know its not going to be good and they most likely arnt going to unlearn any transphobic believes they have so you have to accept this to not lose your friends.

its all depressing

we are born with one of the most unlucky medical conditions that ruins our life and most cis in society have desided we are not worth listening too or empathising with but instead to dehumanise first before they ever even meet one or still chose to keep deep bio essentist believes because their trans friends isnt worth questioning one of humanitys most bashed in ideas before birth. that our suffering is 99% less important than cis people, that it doesnt matter if our lives are fundamentally ruined were mistreated and were were stuck in pain 24/7 every day.

i dont mean to be a doomer but its depressing remembering that those transphobic posts online are probably going to be belived more then any trans person by most people. it feels dystopian being born this way that even if you were to do everything right you are still inhuman or worth less of human being because your trans

most cis people dont hate us but we arnt humans to them in same way other cis people are. its depressing its the norm. its depressing we never actually be equal to them even if you do pass.