r/whenthe • :3 • 12h ago

r/whenthe mfs complaining about everything Claude made it

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u/EntertainmentOdd8205 11h ago edited 11h ago

Claude has no agency. The person built it because they told Claude to write code.

Unless of course you can say “I didn’t hack anyone, Claude did”

I don’t think this is a can of worms you want opened.

Edit to expound:

So someone sits down at a computer, opens up Claude, and says “hack company xyz”

They have hacked the company. Legally, morally, ethically, linguistically.

So someone else sits down at a computer, opens up Claude, and says “make a mod that does xyz”

Apparently they have not made a mod in any way?

This makes no sense.

Whether you like the output doesn’t affect who made it or who is responsible for its existence.

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u/Fishats38 11h ago

Exactly, claude is just a tool like any other, so many people treat it as a living being lol

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u/TopSecretGaming_YT 11h ago

it's not a tool if you say "make this" and it makes it, it's like a person telling a chef to cook food then claiming they made the food themselves.

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u/Fishats38 11h ago

A chef is a real person, claude is not. It's like saying "you didn't do the laundry, you just pressed a button on the washing machine"

Also if it isn't a tool, then what do you think it is?

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u/horoyokai 11h ago

You're getting caught up in wording. Its a tool yes, and we use shorthand for things like saying "I washed my clothes" when we didnt actually do the washing but I think most rational people understand the difference between that and saying you drew a picture when you just told an ai to make a picture.

A better way to look at it is that we don't say "I made directions to the event" we say "Google gave me directions". We told Google where we wanted to go and google did the work of making the directions, so maybe its better to say AI gave me a picture, or AI made me a picture.

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u/Cleric_Of_Chaos 53m ago

Unfortunately humans use wording as communication so you need to define where the line in the wording is.

If I develop the Ai and then told it to make the image, did I make the image then? If I drew 90% of the image but Ai did 10%, did I make the image? 80%? 70%?

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u/ddanger1580x 11h ago

Rice cooker cooking rice more like

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u/whoreatto 11h ago

It can be more like a choreographer directing a group of dancers and then claiming they choreographed the performance, which is accurate. I don’t compile my code, I just write high-level instructions and let a computer do 99.999% of the actual work required to execute my mod concept.

There’s nothing particularly wrong with that. That’s a perfectly normal and acceptable workflow for people who have jobs.

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u/InfluenceSad5221 9h ago

Or more accurately a choreographer telling their dancers "make an awesome dance routine" coming back later then taking credit for it.

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u/whoreatto 9h ago

That depends entirely on the prompter. Your level of involvement is up to you

Even if you call it a commission, any sufficiently detailed “commission” is indistinguishable from art.

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u/whoreatto 8h ago

Weird. Your last comment seems to have been deleted.

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u/TopSecretGaming_YT 11h ago

Yes, but there are people where all they do is tell the AI to make something, contribute no effort than just saying "make" and then claim they made it. It's a different conversation for people with jobs, it's the ones who just prompt and nothing else while claiming they did all the work.

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u/whoreatto 11h ago

Different people put in different amounts of effort. Prompting takes a non-zero amount of effort, and it can take a considerable amount of effort to vibe code a good, functional mod.

The sheer fact that AI was used at all means nothing.

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u/bw147 5h ago

You don't understand officer my gun killed him it wasn't me I just told it to shoot

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u/Imakusapa 11h ago

Yeah, but it's like rubbing an oil lamp, asking the genie for a brand new sports car, and then say you actually made the car.

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u/NullContribution 9h ago

Yeah, people who are like "claude made it" dont seem to get this

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u/Polygonal_squid This user simps for a ZZZ furry ‼️‼️‼️ 10h ago

"I didn't hack anyone, Claude did" would maybe still apply while keeping the prompter responsible, for the same logic which says thatif I hire a hitman I'd still get arrested for ordering a murder, not for commiting a murder.

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u/MirieDohl 11h ago

Waah waah I want credit for stuff I didn't do

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u/EntertainmentOdd8205 11h ago

Okay, as long as you’re consistent bro.

So long as anyone can fire up Claude, tell it to hack a bank or whatever, and get to turn around and say “I didn’t do it” that’s fine.

But you don’t believe that.

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u/horoyokai 11h ago

Not really, there are different ways we talk about different situations.

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u/MirieDohl 11h ago

Dumbass strawman. Why are you comparing people saying they "made" a mod to bank robbery.

This is why nobody likes ai apologists or ai apathetics.

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u/EntertainmentOdd8205 11h ago edited 11h ago

Because it is literally the exact same situation.

In both cases, the human is directing the AI to do something, and then we, societally, decide who gets credit for the output.

The fact that robbing banks is bad and making useful software is good should never change how you feel about who is responsible

ETA: and for the record, it’s basically just Reddit who “doesn’t like ai apologists or ai apathetics.” IRL a majority of people use AI, as has been polled time and time again. And those who don’t are most definitely not majority hateful towards people who are apathetic to ai lmao

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u/MirieDohl 11h ago

Holy shit ai has emptied your skull

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u/babayaga_67 9h ago

You are obviously not logically consistent which he is pointing out, you believe two contradictory things.

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u/IBurning_ 7h ago

AI BVLLS own you, son.

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u/IBurning_ 7h ago

So if you make pasta from a recipe you found online, did you make it? Or did someone else online make it
OpenAI says that everything you generate is yours with copyright rights and all that