Call me crazy but using ai for code is different than using ai for art. I don't really consider coding an art. it's a skill for sure but ai allows you to do the hellish parts (like decompiling) so much faster and less tedious you would actually be a masochist to not use it.
it's true. I think people will probably always use ai in coding. Especially in corporate environments where companies just want a lot of work done fast.
yeah, non-programmers didn't care if you used java, c or python before, but now if you mention you used AI they will eat you alive while the end result is usually still the same.
Also hating on the vibecoded rewrites of games is a bit unfair imo. it's free software that isn't important and would have never existed without AI. Even if a human did write it, it still would have been spaghetti code to make the thing run for a quick youtube video.
i wonder what about edge cases where you have two concepts you want to put together but you use ai code as the glue? like "i want to see what happens if i put an image through this specific mathematical algorithm to turn it into audio" and you ask the ai to make an implementation, since clearly your ideas and brainstorm is original even if you lack the ability to code
Correct me if I’m wrong but they are using AI to code yes but now it’s vibe coding via the internet. It used to be rules and guidelines you put in place. Now the rules are “exist”
I love it how artists call their thing special but claim programming isn't. (Don't do that, OP.)
I also love it how the majority of programmers embrace AI and they are using AI to do other things unabashedly.
I think programmers like to make and do everything, they just don't have time for it. Now that ambition is unbridled and they're making things to their heart's desire.
Artists neg on each other and their styles. It can be quite toxic. Perhaps that's why they don't lean into using AI, because it isn't "their style", so they can't fathom using something that doesn't look like their line art or coloring. Engineers and programmers are used to working on teams, and even if they have their own style, they know someone else will come in and possibly change their stuff, so they're less protective. (It doesn't mean programmers aren't protective.)
Artists are just going to have to get used to it. AI is overwhelming taking over all the feeds, and if they want to participate in social media zeitgeist and commentary, they should view the tools as letting them do bigger scoped things. Short film, movies, games, etc.
And it's not like you can't heavily steer the models to using your aesthetic or style. Look at Gossip Goblin. His team's work is incredible. I saw an early cut of his new film, and it's better than Love Death and Robots.
FFS, the witch hunt is going to make everyone talk in single sentences. Paragraphs are scary now.
I'm the guy that built the AI Adobe suite, btw. I think AI is good for freeing users from big tech. We can literally stage a revolution of sorts and take the internet back.
Working in a european unicorn, I started my career in 2020 in another insanely huge scale up (basically both have a very strong impact in a few big countries). I have not coded as single line of code myself for at least 6 months. This is fucking sad tbh I used to love coding, spending my days even my evening doing it but then they forced AI on us, like basically mandatory. (In a very hard business and AI struggle a LOT) but yeah, I have to admit it is a very good tool when you know exactly what you want and you plan correctly the direction (also the fact im a SWE I can see the mistake, I can preshot them etc.)
All of that to say, it is much faster and very good at tedious tasks, and it's also good if you basically code with it as a companion. It does not work if you just vagly say what to do. I'm really mixed with all of this honestly... I know my job is dead, programming will be done using LLM now because there is no coming back, but I kinda linked spending time coding. Now it feels like I'm stealing or cheating ? I don't have the statisfaction of coding myself something crazy !
I've found the newer versions of Claude to work pretty well even when vague. It'll stop to prompt you for clarification, while it used to just try to figure it out on its own.
For small codebase why not, but when it's about very complex business things it's struggling a lot and saying bullshit. We are using all the lastest model in a all gas no break mindset and we have some agent to filter bugs reported by the support. It is pure garbage half the time, suggesting fix when the app is basically working as expected etc... :/
Gotcha. I mostly use it for smaller personal projects in Python/SQL that are interwoven to an extent and I typically add stuff to them in modules or quick fixes etc.
Sometimes it's even more terrible like friday morning I woke up and check slack, I was in a thread pinged along my manager with a very long slop grenade msg written "SEVERITY HIGH ALERT" because I merged something the day before that was working as expected but the agent was thinking we were touching data in a way we shouldn't so he decided to ping everyone, we had to spent 30 mins to answer with plenty of proofs so other peoples didn't freak out. I'm fairly sure it's gonna happen more often now..
With how ai has gotten it has me thinking about a character from a book i read as a kid. Basically she was an elven smith and at one point the main character asks her why she does everything manually when she could just use magic and have it done instantly. There is no way the author could have known how relevant that question would be like 20 years later. The answer of the character in the book was that if you start focusing solely on the goal and not on the process you lose the thing you loved in the first place.
And i think that encapsulates ai very well. As long as ai is used for the things that are objectively tedious it's fine. But the moment you start using it on the things you love you just kill the thing you actually enjoyed. For art losing the process of making art is losing what makes it art in the first place. And for coding you lose being able to think of creative ways to solve problems. Ai was made so that we no longer have to do the tedious things and can focus on what we love. But instead it's taking all that we love and leaving us with empty work
Yes totally, I think it's also the effect that you don't know very well your own scope anymore, you just follow AI guidelines and move forward on it. It's making you lazy and honestly impacting the critical thinking a lot... :/
I really don't mind if AI is used for that lol. Tbh, I've always been amazed at the amount of free labor put into modding. I have zero issues if they use the new tools available to help that process.
I'm an artist that works in traditional mediums, I have my own strong anti-AI opinions in the creative world, but it's a wide-ranging tool at the end of the day.
For most people and companies, art is just a product, part of the "hellish part" that just costs money. No amount of "well, it's different because..." will change the fact art will be the next target. Normalize AI usage for one thing, and it will come for everything
I can agree with this, I’ve been an employed programmer for 9 years, AI saves me from so much pain and time. To use ai properly for coding, you still need to tell it exactly how you want it to work and what it needs to achieve not “fix all bugs, make no mistake” etc…
I no longer have to spend night of overtime and I’ve gained back my life because of that.
Completely agree. Coding can definitely be artistic and is certainly creative in nature but ultimately the end result is not a piece of art given it has a purely functional purpose.
The place you are drawing the line between art/non-art is common, but ultimately arbitrary. Code definitely be art. It can be an inspiring, skillful expression the way many arts are, and it can be the code in a game that allows it to feel meaningful in a way that causes the game to be considered art. Once you draw the line here, it becomes unignorable that the whole stance is arbitrary and subjective. Hold it if you want, but you can't expect someone else to follow you any more than you can convince someone to believe something is art.
As if AI can't be used to reduce the tedious parts of creating art? Plenty of non-AI tools already being used for that anyways (textures, templates, auto-fills, physical tools, etc.).
If code is not art (mathematics masterpiece in some case) then garbage furry arts from DeviantArt too. So... furry-lovers can use AI for gen pictures to their satisfaction.
People who can't read code and use AI make the most tangled spaghetti messes of code slop possible. If you can read code and use AI your use of it would be very different.
Ai constantly tangled and repeats logic that already exists, putting logic where data should be and putting data where logic exists. So it is a constant struggle for it to actually make clean effective code. That's the difference between vibe coded slop, and effective design.
That would be true if competent people had the time to check what the AI makes. In actuality, everyone just takes a quick glance at it, go "eh, good enough", and move on because the productivity demands are so absurd it's the only viable way to go about it
Ofc, if people had the time to properly look at the code AI makes, no one would use AI because it would just be less tedious, easier, and cleaner to make the code yourself, but the machine must not stop so slowing down will never happen
There will come a day where it won't make those mistakes anymore. That's the problem. That's why the argument against ai should never be just the fact that it's bad at what it does. Because while that may be the truth now it might not be in the future. I believe it's important to understand the actual difference between letting ai make things and letting humans do it. And the reason i hate ai is that somehow instead of outsourcing all the tedious boring work to ai we outsource all the creative fun work to ai and are left to do the tedious work.
I disagree. All art is the expression of the artist's personal experiences and emotions. Ai doesn't have that. All it can do is try and predict what that would look like. it lacks everything that makes art art. Ai can make images but it can't make art
Fine, don't call it art. Call it ai media or something, but it's still something that bring entertainment, even if it's devoid of direct human input apart from the prompt.
Nah. I’ve known some people that make art (read: porn) for a living. It’s just about the money for all of them. Especially furry artists, lol. AI does that (porn) pretty damn well.
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u/Comfortable-Bison932 13h ago
Call me crazy but using ai for code is different than using ai for art. I don't really consider coding an art. it's a skill for sure but ai allows you to do the hellish parts (like decompiling) so much faster and less tedious you would actually be a masochist to not use it.