Sucks that we never even once got to see her Husband...

If, prior to his election as Lord Commander, Jon had accepted Stannis’s proposal—thereby becoming Jon Stark—what do you think would have happened?

I imagine a scenario like this:

There are two major initial differences. First, Jon would never have gone to Hardhome; consequently, he wouldn’t have gained the 2,000 Free Folk fighters (including Tormund), and the few who were captured would likely have been executed. Second, Lord Umber probably would never have joined the Boltons (in the show, he did so because of his hatred for the Wildlings).

That said, in such a scenario, everything would have depended on how the Northern lords reacted. In the main storyline, only three houses—House Mazin, House Mormont, and one other I can’t recall—agreed to follow Jon, despite his status as a bastard and the fact that his army consisted mostly of Wildlings. It’s safe to assume they would have followed Stannis and Jon Stark (which would have provided 405 soldiers and some logistical support). The real unknown concerns the other Northern nobles, who refused to follow Jon both because of their hatred for the Wildlings (like Lord Umber and Lord Glover) and because Jon was clearly the weaker side in the conflict—his army was only half the size of the Boltons’.

Personally, I believe that without the wildlings, with Stannis army and with Jon new surname, the Northern lords would almost certainly have joined Stannis and Jon, especially given the support of Stannis’s 6,000 men (plus Jon’s 405). In this scenario, they would have been the winning side. The Boltons, for their part, could only field 5,000 men (consisting of their own forces and those of the Karstarks, as Lord Umber was not with them). Furthermore, Ramsay had no allies to turn to: he could expect no help from the Crown (having married Sansa) nor from the Freys (having murdered his own father, mother, and half-brother). Consequently, the Northern lords would surely have chosen to side with Stannis and Jon—an opportunity to both avenge their kin and eliminate a madman. This would have significantly bolstered Stannis’s forces; while Season 7 suggests Jon’s army as King in the North numbered 10,000, a more conservative estimate might be 6,000—a figure that would effectively double to 12,000 in this scenario.

Given this, Ramsay would have been doomed. Not only would Jon and Stannis have commanded an army twice the size, but they would also have controlled the vast majority of the North—leaving Winterfell as the only potential holdout for the Bolton—which would have provided them with crucial logistical support. This would have allowed them to completely isolate Ramsay and place him under siege. At this point, I believe Ramsey had only two options: the first was to surrender, in an attempt to at least save his own life; the second was to do nothing, hoping for a miracle (which could have led to his own men and the Karstarks turning against him). In either case, Stannis and Jon would have won.

I was fascinated how it was described in the ACOK the show was great but I want to see illustrations of Renly Baratheon’s Army at Bitterbridge to see the Great Host.

Would you entrust the highest position of power in your country (whether that be president, prime minister, or king) to a man like Ned Stark?

I’ve seen the show more times than I can count, and upon my latest rewatch I picked up on something I haven’t seen before. Obviously we know Olenna was behind it, but it wasn’t after reading the books that I thought to be aware of the moment she gets the poison off Sansas necklace. I just saw that they included it in the show! To some people it may have been obvious, but I guess I never thought to pay much attention to her hands at that moment, so I’m just blown away that it’s been there all along and I never saw.

I feel like that’s the beauty of rewatching though, there’s always a new Easter egg I didn’t pick up on before, and small details to reveal themselves. Just wanted to share my joy in realising, and wondering if most people already knew or if a lot of you were like me, and it was a moment that passed you by.

{SPOILER} Had Tommen not offed himself.. who would have been next in line to marry him and become queen after Margaery? On my third rewatch and there aren’t any obvious choices I can think of. Samwell’s sister, maybe?

I hate, hate, hate what they did to Jaime and Cersei's characters. I don't even care anymore that Jon is the Prince That Was Promised, why Arya is the hero in the end, or that Bran ended up on the throne. But the fact that Jaime’s character development and his whole redemption arc were literally thrown in the trash, only for him to die in peace and love right next to Cersei, makes me absolutely furious. Plus, if we also take Cersei's book prophecy into account (since only half of it was mentioned in the show), I think it's crystal clear that Jaime SHOULD have killed that bitch.

Who was the preferred King in the North for you?

I see Robb Stark as a bit more suited to the role than Jon Snow, he has more of a "Stark aura".

What about you?

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• The Rains of Castamere

• Jenny of Oldstones

• The Bear and the Maiden Fair

• The Dornishman's Wife

• Hands of Gold

• It's Always Summer Under the Sea

• Gentle Mother, Font of Mercy

Mine is dornishmans wife.

And Tyene was right Bronn does have a good voice.

Robert seems to have let himself go after becoming king - no fighting left to do and his beloved (in his eyes) dead, so he appears to have just got drunk, paid for sex, gone hunting, hosted tournaments, for the rest of his life.

I get that he didn't want to rule and wanted adventures, but were there really none left for him to have? Or have I misunderstood him and he was just lazy?

He could have explored the uncharted parts of the world. He could have dealt with the wildling attacks, the iron islands (properly - so they change their way of life and not continue raiding again), if he'd gone far North he might even have found the white walkers.

For all his faults, at least he didn't start pointless wars.

This is my first watching of Game of Thrones, and I simply had to pause it. After so many seasons away, a wildling just so happen to see Benjen? What is this writing??? I will watch on, but I simply cannot belive such a strange writing choice would be made this late into the show.

I'm rewatching GOT. I'm at the end of S6, starting S7.

I see comments about Cersei becoming queen at the end of S6, saying that wouldn't happen.

But who is left to challenge her? Everyone just saw her blow up the church, kill her uncle, cousin, daughter in law, many people of the court, etc.

Who is supposed to challenge her before Dany gets there?

I work at a car dealership my business has nothing related to Game of Thrones or the Looney Toons but this is awesome and I didn't know where else to post it

I am a huge huge fan of GOT. I have watched all the 8 seasons 6 to 7 times. My favourite characters from the series are Jon Snow and Lord Tyrion

Me and my roommate were so into the series that we literally started using the terms and dialogues in our day to day lives. One example of it is shared by me when I labelled our rooms

I just rewatched The Long Night episode S8E3 and it triggered a set of evidence and a conclusion.
I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this, but it was new to me.

All of the book-prominent faiths are represented at Winterfell, and they all fight against the Army of the Dead.
>!The Lord of Light, represented by Melisandre, gives magic fire to the swords of the Dothraki and lights the trenches aflame to halt the enemy advance. Both are snuffed out in short order by the Night King's horde!<.
>!The Seven, repped by Jaime and Brienne and any other Knights present, combine with the Old Gods of the North for the castle defense, and are overwhelmed.!<
>!The Iron Islanders defending Bran in the Godswood represent the Drowned God, and get swamped!<.

>!Arya, the Faceless Man of the House of Black and White is the one who vanquishes the Night King!<.
>!Why? Because for thousands of years the Night King had been defying the true god. He had been keeping the dead from the God of Death.!<
>!Arya slaying the Night King returned thousands of souls to the God of Death!<.

Im reading dance and Tyrion is talking to the 2 guys from Griff. The one guy asks him how Swann died. He tells him about the mirror shield. Whether it was syrax or vhagear doesn't matter to me. But Shireen also tells the same story to Davis in the show. And so ive heard it before but I also don't remember it from fire and blood and unless it was in the last couple episodes of season 3 it wasn't in the show. And also, I've never heard anyone talk about in here or in tbe Fandom.

So what's tbe story with mirror shield guy? Did tbsi happen? When did it happen?

in season 4 ep 1 of game of thrones sandor tells arya he doesn't steal and has a code.. although 5 minutes later he tries to steal chicken from the bar, like 2 episodes before he knocks a guy out and steals his food cart, and later that season he steals food and i think also horses from the dad and his daughter???

the writers were pretty competent at this point in the show so i feel it has to be intentional, but i can't really imagine why??? i know people can lie, obviously, but it didn't feel like they put that line in just so say he's a hypocrite, so what's the logic?