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article Robert Kraft issues lengthy statement on Macklemore after rapper says NFL owner had him banned from

https://www.themirror.com/sport/american-football/robert-kraft-macklemore-sheeran-palestine-2024272
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u/Ejmct Sep 14 '26

You mean Robert Kraft is a cheating douchbag?
Who knew?

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u/Dophie Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

Who pays young women to jerk him off when getting massages.

Edit: apologies. To me, 40 is still relatively young, especially compared to a man decades older than them, but I understand why my vocabulary choice was confusing. But that’s also why I used the word women.

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u/utzbansai Sep 14 '26

Sex trafficked migrants

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u/SerHodorTheThrall Sep 14 '26

That's always been the plan. Bring em in, use them up, and then send them back.

The newer the better.

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u/durntaur Sep 14 '26

As disgusting as it is to read that, it precisely conveys to the uninformed how vile he is.

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u/niknik888 Sep 15 '26

And I’ll bet he’s a lousy tipper!

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u/welchplug Sep 15 '26

Thats the part I have an issue with. Not that he relation with sex workers. It that they were clearly trafficked women.

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u/doyouunderstandlife Sep 15 '26

It's so crazy to me how quickly that was swept under the rug. People and the media moved on almost instantly after it happened.

It should be noted that the woman who founded the spa has close ties to Trump as well (she wasn't owner at the time of the bust, though), and the two people that took over for her that were arrested got slaps on the wrist with no prison time as a result of literal human trafficking.

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u/Ok_Instance7667 Sep 15 '26

Jeff Ross tried to bring it up during the Netflix special 'The Roast of Tom Brady' and Tom nearly had a 'Will Smith' moment.

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u/thisthreadisbear Sep 15 '26

Don't know how much Kraft paid off the police dept to have unfortunately "bungled" the case against him but the other men who were also busted with him were fortunate that old Robert was involved because all of their charges got written off too due to Kraft's lawyers.

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u/ForMoreYears Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26

For the uninformed, Kraft got busted a few years back in an undercover sting getting a rub and tug at an Asian massage parlor. Shockingly (/s) he skated with a slap on the wrist because his high-priced lawyer got him off on a technicality instead of doing time being charged with felony solicitation of prostitution and facing fines, probation, and possibly jail time like any normal person would.

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u/BayouBoogie Sep 14 '26

During the Tom Brady roast one of the roasters brought this up and Tom immediately shut it down on stage. Super awkward....

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u/leave-no-trace-1000 Sep 14 '26

Shit on my kids & their mothers all you want. But shit on my billionaire ex team owner and that’s where I draw the line buddy!

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u/pjmidd Sep 15 '26

He knows where his bread is buttered, and where his loyalties lie. He just cares about furthering his own wealth.

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u/HahaRiiight Sep 15 '26

Can you imagine living that way

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u/bangoslam Sep 15 '26

It wasn’t Brady shutting that down. It was the producers

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u/BayouBoogie Sep 15 '26

Did you watch the roast? He literally grabbed Hinchcliff by the elbow and says something to the effect of stfu about that...

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u/Ok_Instance7667 Sep 15 '26

Jeff Ross and he said 'don't say that shit again.'

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u/bigtice Sep 14 '26

Birds of a feather flock together.

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u/OutlandishnessOdd716 Sep 14 '26

Brady is a cheater too. Think he learned that stuff from his college days.

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u/logicbasedchaos Sep 14 '26

Brady won his first Super Bowl because he cheated against the Raiders in 2002. They even wrote a rule so it couldn't happen again.

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u/sauzbozz Sep 15 '26

That wasn't cheating though

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u/logicbasedchaos Sep 15 '26

Brady himself has admitted it was a fumble.

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u/sauzbozz Sep 15 '26

Per the rules at the time it was the correct call. The Jets actually had the same call go in their favor against the Pats earlier in the season. Super lucky but that's not cheating. Even if it was a bad call by the Refs thats still not cheating

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u/logicbasedchaos Sep 15 '26

In tennis and other sports where cheaters are seen as the crappy humans they are, it is not uncommon for players to correct refs on bad calls that were in their favor.

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u/Chef_Fontaine Sep 14 '26

> his high-priced lawyer got him off

It’s handjobs all the way down.

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u/ForMoreYears Sep 14 '26

You could say Kraft...beat it.

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u/Pkrudeboy Sep 14 '26

No, Kraft paid someone else to beat it for him.

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u/MineIcy3348 Sep 15 '26

But he didn’t get beat

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u/DadJokeBadJoke Sep 15 '26

He's krafty
He gets around

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u/emcgrew Sep 15 '26

Always has been.

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u/undermin Sep 14 '26

Jurisprudence Fetishist Gets Off on Technicality

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u/KombuchaBot Sep 17 '26

Did you make that up? it's very good

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u/undermin Sep 17 '26

No. It's an Onion article

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u/KombuchaBot 29d ago

I love jokes that set up their own metareference.

"I drink brakefluid, people keep telling me it's not good for me but i can stop any time I want"

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u/jackswastedtalent Sep 14 '26

When this went down you had Epstein recommending lawyers to Kraft. In one text/email exchange in the Epstein files it references (without any details) another issue that Kraft had in the past.

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u/MiddleAgesRoommates Sep 14 '26

People go to prison for this? Asking for my buddy’s cousin

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u/ForMoreYears Sep 14 '26

Buddy's cousin

Riiiiight lol

Depends on jurisdiction and things like if the sex workers were knowingly trafficked but no, first time offenders don't usually get jail time.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 Sep 14 '26

For supporting human trafficking? Yes

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u/samuelgato Sep 14 '26

No, low level johns are not getting charged with any kind of trafficking charges that just doesn't happen

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u/rtduvall Sep 14 '26

For a very long time.

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u/ShadeShow Sep 14 '26

lol. Nobody with a clean record is going to jail for that.

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u/ForMoreYears Sep 14 '26

You're right, not a first time offender, but it's still a possibility.

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u/Godzlittlehand Sep 15 '26

Yeah he's in the Epstein files

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u/tourfwenty Sep 14 '26

You misspelled police breaking the law. 

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u/peon2 Sep 15 '26

Right? This is such an insane take. His high priced lawyers didn't get him off on a technicality. The police obtained evidence through illegal means. All of the johns went free, not just the rich ones.

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u/Same_Concern9454 Sep 14 '26

No one goes to jail for a rub and tug and soliciting charge

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u/Hot-Distribution3826 Sep 14 '26

It’s actually even worse than that. The NYT or a similar platform wrote about it

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u/murphybrowndog Sep 14 '26

His lawyer was Jack Goldberger. He also represented Epstein, so there's that.

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u/XRT28 Sep 15 '26

FWIW it wasn't just Kraft that got off, a lot of the people charged in that sting had the charges against them dropped because the police simply did shoddy work and didn't abide by the law.

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u/LifeguardDry7372 Sep 14 '26

when you are rich laws are just suggestions

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u/ForMoreYears Sep 14 '26

He walked...what punishment?

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u/BigRedFury Sep 14 '26

Add that he was busted on game day when the Patriots were playing at Kansas City.

Kraft was in Florida (Palm Beach, maybe?) and went to get a rub down and HJ on his way to the airport before flying to KC for the game.

It was the kind of move that only a veteran massage parlor customer would pull.

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u/MachineGunBanned Sep 15 '26

No Trafficking Evidence: While law enforcement initially promoted the 2019 Florida massage parlor sweep as a human trafficking investigation, prosecutors later acknowledged in court that the investigation produced no evidence of coercion, involuntary servitude, or human trafficking

They released his name and said Human Trafficking as many times as possible in the same press release.

Then it turned out that he got a rub and tug from willing workers who were in no way coerced twice.

Then it turned out the government had no right at all to be filming inside the parlour trolling for men to prosecute for the alleged "human trafficking"

Once that was ruled on by the court all the customers had their charges dismissed.

The police were straight up doing illegal things to get headlines and when they caught him who could afford a lawyer got their asses handed to them in court.

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u/Polymathy1 Sep 14 '26

Those women are victims of human trafficking.

I'm not in this sub much, so I'll end my explanation there.

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u/Head_Midnight666 Sep 14 '26

There are a lot of Asian massage parlors around here. I went to one once for a legit massage. I got the feeling they did other things, but that wasn't why I went. How do they tell the people that want a real massage and the people that are there for sex?

I didn't know at the time that that was what it was all about. I couldn't turn my head from my muscles being locked up.

It's weird to me that the cops don't go after them if they're all being trafficked. To me, it's perfectly fine if people want to do that on their own, but if they're being forced into it, it's quite wrong.

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u/Polymathy1 Sep 14 '26

It's become an epidemic in Portland. They've appeared over the place, even in small neighborhoods. A news article on it said the police don't go after them because the police want to keep track of it. The article didn't really mention an end goal for the cops other than that if they did raid, the workers might disappear and not be found.

As for how the workers find out what you want, they just ask bluntly. I had a similar thing where my shoulder was horrible and went to the closest one that was open and hoped it would be ok. It was not ok... They pretty much just asked me when I turned over. I said no, and it wasn't an issue, but it was such a weird experience. They didn't really know how to give a massage. It didn't really help my shoulder.

People don't just decide one day to do it. It's almost always coerced or done from desperation.

Stick to places with licensed therapists and you'll avoid it entirely.

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u/ThatOneComrade Sep 14 '26

There were a few outside of Boise that got busted over the last few years, usually out in Eagle or Meridian.

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u/SheepD0g Performing Artist Sep 14 '26

What amazes me the most is that apparently there's a bunch of dudes that can get off with a handy j

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u/Careless-Page-7116 Sep 14 '26

There are forums that discuss the ins and outs of the process. Generally, there are spas that just do sex and they ask what you want openly. Then there are other spas, where only some of the workers are doing it on the side and the owner doesnt know.

A legit spa will have products to sell in the front of shop (lotions, scents), a receptionist always at the front, a membership program, men and women coming and going, normal business hours, professional dressed workers.

A shady spa will have no one up front and they approach you after you come into the spa, usually its $40 to $60 for 30 minutes which is 50% cheaper than all legit places (they up charge when negotiating what sex you want), they always have massage in neon sign in window, open very late 10pm or later, only see men enter, never see anyone else in lobby (they dont like customers seeing each other), they might have signs on walls stating no illegal activity allowed and report to management (cover to deny owners knew about it or required from previous court case), the workers maybe dressed in lingerie or sexy outfits, rooms might have disco lights. During the massage, they might take off the towel/cover completely and ask if that is okay to test you, they will touch things they shouldn't just barely to see your reaction, they might rub their body on your arms and hands innocently to test you again, and sign is they might straddle you while massage your back.

Normally they ask you to flip after 10 to 15mins and they will stand by your midsection and rub around your stomach and go closer and usually straight up ask or keep staring at you to ask.

This is all allegedly. Every US city has at least 1 and some even have 100+ like SF, LA or NYC.

While some are trafficked, so are college women paying for school or boob jobs.

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u/b_needs_a_cookie Sep 14 '26

They aren't necessarily young, they are all trafficked.

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u/Gilshem Sep 14 '26

Let’s legalize prostitution. It tends to reduce the human trafficking element.

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u/b_needs_a_cookie Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26

This study is from 13 years ago; sadly, it seems like legalizing it increases trafficking.

I do think it should be decriminalized for the trafficking victims, and here in the US, there needs to be better treatment and understanding of trafficking victims.

Edit: To those downvoting social science data, wtf is wrong with you? If you feel that you're right please share what you've found beyond trust me bro.

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u/Gilshem Sep 14 '26

After seeing these comments I understand that the rationale for my statement was incorrect. Thank you for linking to the source.

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u/b_needs_a_cookie Sep 14 '26

Sure thing. 

Legalization is a valid solution to remove the crime control element from a lot of vices, so I get why you thought it. 

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u/schizboi Sep 14 '26

No it doesnt

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u/PokesBo Sep 14 '26

Deshaun Watson got rightfully raked over the coals for his predatory shit. Robert Kraft? Not a peep.

I don’t know why everyone thinks that’s White?

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u/RuckusTamos3 Sep 14 '26

Raked over the coals? He got the largest guaranteed contract in football history after he settled. We have different ideas of what raked over the coals means I guess

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u/Pete_Iredale Sep 14 '26

Also, I'm pretty sure he was a starting QB this week for an NFL team, which would be weird for someone who actually had consequences for his actions.

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u/Giovannis_Pikachu Sep 14 '26

But he didn't kneel during the anthem!/s

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u/badtex66 Sep 14 '26

Well it was done by the most inept franchise in professional sports so there's that wiggle room.

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u/RuckusTamos3 Sep 14 '26

Most inept? Jets fans are furious right now

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u/boringinternet2020 Sep 14 '26

“Aktualllly”

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u/BlueBelle2025 Sep 14 '26

Did he? He's getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars to not even play, and that came AFTER the assault allegations.

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u/PokesBo Sep 14 '26

Yeah. Maybe not monetarily raked over the coals but his reputation is utter shit now.

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u/grumplebeardog Sep 14 '26

So is Kraft’s, jokes get made about rub and tugs every time he is brought up.

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u/flammable-liquid Sep 14 '26

Yeah, but still in the NFL, no matter who you are, if you play good enough people will "forget". If Watson plays like shit the rest of his career, he will be outcasted fairly quickly because no one will take a chance on someone with a bad rep and bad skills. He wins a superbowl this year???? He will become the highest paid QB again with multiple teams begging

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u/boringinternet2020 Sep 14 '26

Utter shit would mean he has no ability to continue to earn money in the same manner. You’re absolutely and unequivocally incorrect here

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u/boringinternet2020 Sep 14 '26

LOLOL. Watson got the biggest contract ever AFTERWARD. Love that you got 40+ upvotes from other delusional “allies.” What’s next? OJ was framed?

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u/youdownwithopp Sep 14 '26

they both got the same treatment

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u/Same_Concern9454 Sep 14 '26

I mean there’s a major difference between being a serial sexual predator and paying for what was ostensibly a consensual transaction. And this isn’t defending Kraft, I’m sure anyone with eye could tell human trafficking was part of that place. But boiling the difference down to race is incredibly irresponsible

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u/Revolutionary_Mix293 Sep 14 '26

Yeah because Robert Kraft gets so much love compared to Deshaun Watson

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u/lathspellll Sep 14 '26

He’s not welcome in our social club anymore, that much I do know.

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u/SaxRohmer Sep 14 '26

kraft got consensual handjobs, watson sexually assaulted women

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u/MilkyChongBop Sep 14 '26

Not disagreeing that both individuals need to be held responsible and in low esteem, but there’s a few degrees of difference between their two situations (appearance is definitely one of them though, no objections there). Watson is more focalized by the nature of his role on the Browns, and has been more outspoken in his refutal of responsibility. Kraft is part of the ownership class, his previous hijinks happened further from the public eye and were frankly overshadowed by more insidious owners like Snyder and Jerry Jones.

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u/peon2 Sep 15 '26

One of them sexually assaulted 26 women.

The other paid a 60 year old consenting woman who owned the business to willingly jerk him off.

You really think that difference is negligible and it's a black and white thing?

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u/Rebelgecko Sep 14 '26

I thought his "masseuses" were actually on the older side?

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u/Buttholesurfer44 Sep 14 '26

At his age every woman is a young woman

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u/Igottamake Sep 14 '26

She wasn't young, she was actually nearly age-appropriate

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u/EvenPut6 Sep 14 '26

Do you have evidence

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u/PerfectCheesecake25 Sep 14 '26

Fuck that guy but the sex workers he was caught with were actually quite age appropriate

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u/Zealousideal_Goal550 Sep 14 '26

Honest question- why would anyone need to pay for a rub and tug? Couldn’t he have done that himself?

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u/Ashamed-Country3909 Sep 14 '26

I mean, they probably wont do it for free.

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u/LateralMove5 Sep 14 '26

That's a fancy way of saying Robert Kraft pays to sexually assault children. No wonder he's on Epstein's list. 

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u/AmericanAIien Sep 14 '26

So he’s MAGA u mean? Is he running for office?

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u/TheShape108 Sep 15 '26

And only because his Epstein trips got cutoff.

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u/_KushOnes_ Sep 15 '26

39, 45, 58 were their ages. Doesn’t make it right but facts are the important.

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Sep 14 '26

Pays their controllers to sexually abuse them*

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u/JustFun4Uss Sep 14 '26

You mean this Robert Kraft doing a bikini girl acting audition? You dont say...

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u/ididntunderstandyou Sep 14 '26

Very inspiring to the Epstein defense

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615642.pdf

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u/BurnCannons Sep 14 '26

What am I reading…? It just doesn’t make any sense to me lol

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u/ididntunderstandyou Sep 14 '26

It’s redacted enough to be unclear but Bannon and a redacted PR /crisis management person strategising by drawing parallels between the Epstein scandal and Kraft’s scandal.

The plan being to transform the narrative of pedophaelia into the tamer narrative of prostitution.

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u/Its_0ver Sep 14 '26

That can't be right, one of the names say it's Steve bannon

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u/TheIronsHot Sep 14 '26

I’m blown away that you could take that away from what that says lol. The illiteracy when it comes to stuff like this is incredible, it allows bad people to get away with being bad because the conspiracists spin out of control. 

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u/jjayzx Sep 15 '26

I hope their username isn't their job, lol

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u/honeybadgerrulez Sep 14 '26

billionaires are all weird sex pests that have the audacity to shit on lgbt people

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u/JustFun4Uss Sep 15 '26

Projection...

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u/honeybadgerrulez Sep 15 '26

is it really? go read about some of things donnie musk bezos and the rest of their ilk do to satiate themselves

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u/JustFun4Uss Sep 15 '26

Yeah... they project their toxic acts into blaiming other people non toxic acts to deflect from their own.

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u/G-Unit11111 survived Ozzfest '05 Sep 14 '26

He is a Trump fan and donated to his campaign multiple times. So this tracks.

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u/here_is_no_end Sep 14 '26

Yes, Kraft is MAGA, which is a group famously known for their love and acceptance of the Jewish people: https://www.npr.org/2025/05/14/nx-s1-5387299/trump-white-house-antisemitism

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u/WV8222 Sep 15 '26

MAGA died a long time ago, today there is only MIGA

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u/monkeybojangles Sep 15 '26

They don't care about the Jewish people, just Israel.

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u/YearRevolutionary675 Sep 15 '26

Plenty of minorities in MAGA even though the rhetoric is pretty fascist while targeting minorities. There were plenty of Jewish Nazis.

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u/joloks Sep 14 '26

Didn’t it happen in Florida?

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u/Artistic-Cockroach48 Sep 14 '26

He was bosom buddies with Epstein, I'm sure they crossed streams all the time.

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u/Ejmct Sep 14 '26

I think “douchbag” is fairly all-encompassing but feel free to cherry pick and whine about it.

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u/stargrazer10 Sep 16 '26

Football's Don Sterling

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u/0tanod Sep 14 '26

The same one who had his crotch gremlin run for mayor of Boston to build a stadium there (he lost)

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u/wookie_walkin Sep 15 '26

The same guy macklemore was happy to play at his stadiums and get paid before he got kicked

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u/Life_Race9401 Sep 15 '26

Does it excuse Maclemore's Jew-hating bigotry or did you buy into his pro-Palestinian pivot to excuse it? Always easy to get so-called people to do evil if they believe it's for a moral cause.

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u/Old-Switch-1055 Sep 14 '26

Robert Kraft is a businessman you uncultured swine