When you see a post about cis men assaulting and raping cis women, the reaction should be SUPPORTING and UPLIFTING the victims/survivors of the situation. Trans women are not the victims of THIS situation, cis women are.
But youâre not even making it about trans women being victims, youâre saying âHA! See! Cis men are raping cis women, not trans women!!â which is an awful thing to turn this into.
Donât turn the conversation about cis women being raped by cis men into a conversation about how trans women are victims of social propaganda?? Wtf
I say this as a trans person who is fully aware of the violence trans women face. Itâs just not about us here and itâs selfish. Misogyny affects everyone.
All the fear mongering against trans women is that its suppsedly going to give cis men an in to do this stuff, but this keeps happening. They don't need an in. Everything is an in. And this post is about cis men raping and killing people, of course trans people should get a seat at the table. They are statistically even more likely to be harmed by cis men than cis women are and should absolutely be considered here too.
Edit to add: Cis women are going to get the majority of this kind of news written about them because there are more of them and society generally has deeper feelings about this kind of violence happening to them. Because of this, its absolutely necessary to make sure trans people are remembered in these discussions, much in the same way that it's necessary to make sure trans people are included in discussions about health care.
The first part is a good point.
I just think the conversation should be about supporting victims, not playing a game of whoâs the real attacker. At the least, if youâre going to say âsee? Cis men are violent, not trans womenâ at least have the heart to address the women who were harmed and uplift them.
I definitely agree that there was a more tactful and situation addressing way to make that comment. But I also understand what was likely behind the comment. Its exasperating having so much news and politics point at trans people as violent monsters looking to prey on cis women when all this just keeps happening and the people pointing fingers not only don't do anything to stop what is actually happening, but are actively part of the club doing it.
Also, I just want to say, I think you and the other commenter are assuming the person we are responding under is a trans person trying to center herself, but we can't assume that's the case here, especially considering her profile and history gives no indication of being trans, so I don't think this is a case of whataboitism.
Likewise. My foremothers fought for an entire century, if not more than that, to gain rights and equality. They literally bled for it. That isn't to say trans people have not also bled for THEIR rights but my god... you don't just want a seat at the table you want THE ENTIRE TABLE.
Nothing I've said is hateful, harassment or trolling. I am asking for a conversation and alternate methods. Trans people have the right to freely exist and I've never said otherwise. I don't care what bathroom someone uses.
But the thing is: none of that matters. It's a purity test with you people (you people being either trans or allies). In fact, the trans movement invented the purity test. If a person does not agree with EVERYTHING 100% ALL THE TIME they are a MAGAt, right?
How the hell do you expect to plow forward with that attitude? You will tribalize people, and you will tribalize potential allies into enemies. In fact, you ignoring everything I've said about the women's movement proves your selfishness. People came before you: Women, Black folk, Asians, gays... you push them all aside to demand TRANS ONLY, like you're all that matters.
A cis woman gets raped. Many cis women get raped. You turn it into a trans thing.
About trans women being dangerous? I got it. And they arenât. And itâs fucking stupid to keep accusing them of violence and scapegoating and Iâm tired of it.
Trans people (both trans men and women and non-binary people) are actually statistically even more likely to be sexually assaulted, raped and murdered by cis men than cis women are. This is a problem for all of us.
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u/Percyandbeausmama 9h ago
But tell me again how dangerous trans women are.