And should I get started on vaccines (that Americans are stupidly shedding out), Pasteurization (that Americans are advocating against) or maybe the literal microscope? The field of Genetics? Dare I even mention Botilinum toxin they are filling their faces with at the White house? The list is endless. And this is only in my field (medicine)
I am aware that the normal citizen is normal, thanks. Sorry if it was not clear but I was using Americans as short-hand for the American administration
But to be completely honest too, for a country that has entitled itself to invade us in 2003 and lecture us on modernity, it is kinda ironic to see what rulings their leader is making now…
And to answer your question: You would be fully allowed (since we made the first law system) to judge our government in a text (since we invented the first writing system) at the time (since we invented the first time system) we come into your country and steal all its wealth to put it in our banks controlling when you can access it while your population starves. Once that happens, i promise your analogy would be equitable.
are americans really 'advocating against' pasteurization? or are they simply asking for the freedom to drink raw milk if they so choose. unfortunately, 'free country' is as accurate as 'free speech platform.'
If I follow your definition of freedom, should one be able to trade, advertise and consume Methamphetamine or Captagon ? And please don’t claim that raw milk can’t be as harmful before you see Salmonellosis, Brucellosis or Listerosis patients on the wards. Hell it is even possible to get Guillain-Barré (through campylobacter) or even Tuberculosis though more rarely than the aforementioned. Freedom ends when harm begins. When something as simple as Pasteurization prevents outbreaks of deadly diseases that we have spent decades to eradicate, he starts to harm himself AND others by either contracting the infection or followed their bad example because of their spread misinformation… and on top of that, there is no real medical benefit from this literal roulette of diseases one is playing when drinking raw milk. It really stunts me that this is even a matter of debate in 2026 when, to my information, it was unquestionable no more than 10 years ago
If you know someone drinking raw milk, I wish you‘d educate them on what he’s doing rather than encourage him, it’s a basic duty as humans that we look after each other
Edit: upon rethinking it, I found a much simpler analogy since many people who haven’t seen illicit drug users in the hospital have a jerk reflex from their mention.
Imagine Pasteurization as a seatbelt. If you turn on your car and drive without a seatbelt you have a chance of survival, indeed, but it’s much less than the one with a seatbelt. Same here; you could get out of drinking raw milk fine but the chances get narrower every time you consume. If you’re a at-risk population or immunocompromised for any cause, the chance of not contracting any infection (regardless of the severity grade) is virtually inexistent. Should the society protest to the government asking for the freedom of not wearing seatbelts without getting fined?
Honestly at this rate I won’t even get surprised if someone did in the next few years. Earth has been a wild place post-Covid.
mRNA vaccines were developed in the US, which is the underlying technology that allowed the creation of the COVID vaccine.
American scientists also created PrEP. In our lifetime, HIV has gone from a death sentence to something you just take a pill for.
CRISPR, one of the most important discoveries in microbiology in the past two decades, was a joint discovery by an American and a Frenchwoman.
And while the Trump administration is stupid af, vaccines are not being "shedded out" nor is pasteurization, not by a long shot. Their stupidity is being resisted at many levels, and anything they do change is likely to be reversed in 2028.
Here's some relevant papers / collections of papers that I found with a cursory search.
This is not to say that Europeans don't produce good science or good medicine (semaglutide goes to the Danish!), but modern American medical research is truly incredible.
I do not deny American contribution for sure; despite it being relatively recent when compared to others, I firmly believe that every country contributed to medicine at a certain point in time with wildly various forms that complement each other and enabled others to exist. But I was trying to convey how the American medical system has been crushing during Trump; both in the eyes of their public (examples above; anti-vax, raw milk trends, etc) and financially (even PubMed had a banner complaining of funding cuts for quite a while) and this resulted in promoting corporate fanfics and a public opinion that doesnt realize what this literally burnt money could have done if directed towards, e.g. the medical sector (both these consequences are demonstrated quite perfectly in OOP post)
Have a nice day, and feel free to discuss any take here 👍
My main disagreement, then, is over the characterization of it as being "crushed" - while the Trump administration has been disastrous, I think the medical research system is far more resilient than you imply.
It's a rough time, to be sure. But we'll weather the storm, and 2028 will almost certainly see something of a return to normalcy, at least for a while.
I do wish you are right; social media is an inherently biased source to make an impression but from where I am it’s my only one. I hope that it’s less disastrous on the ground there as you are a much more reliable source, as it would make me more optimistic about the field’s direction after half a decade of catastrophic events from Covid to this day…
On dirait que le monde oublie que nous les irakiens sommes qui les gens qui ont inventé l’écriture, le système horaire, le système légal, les maths, et bien encore… Pourtant on n’est pas souvent mentionné dans ces débats (tant mieux mdr)
No the Airplane was invented by Americans in 1903. Even Graham Bells first Airplane in 1907 was designed when he was a US citizen, and tested in the United States (like the telephone).
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The jet engine was invented by Sir Frank Whittle in Britain.
The World Wide Web was invented in 1989 by British computer scientist Sir Tim Berners-Lee