r/SipsTea • • 8h ago

Lmao gottem Valid point

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u/paranood888 7h ago

We have longer life expectancy in Europe, half your homicide rate , and less personal debt. We also have way more paid holidays and leaves. So I ll end up seeing my familly and loved ones 2x more than you will , too busy to work for your billionaires overlord (who themselves have miserable lives).

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u/landofconfusion75 6h ago

You also have lower salaries (especially in tech/healthcare/law), less innovation, a much lower ceiling for career growth, and don't assimilate immigrants as well as America.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 6h ago edited 6h ago

Salary and career should be tools for having a good quality of life.

I wouldn’t trade my quality of life for more money

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u/landofconfusion75 6h ago

But money and quality of life are connected. I can buy whatever I like since I have more disposable income. I'm very ambitious and feel like america has rewarded me well. I'm an immigrant from Asia btw. I'd likely feel restricted in Europe. You also ignored my other points.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 6h ago

Quality of life exlusively linked to what product you can buy it’s a very american way to see life

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u/landofconfusion75 6h ago

Equating disposable income with only buying products is a very European way to mischaracterize ambition. In the real world, money buys options, security, and peace of mind. I can travel and retire early too. If you’re happy with a capped salary and a lower ceiling, more power to you. Just don't pretend lower purchasing power is a moral virtue.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 6h ago edited 5h ago

You told “I can buy whatever I like”. In Europe you have much more peace of mind and security. It’s much more likely to be bankrupt in US rather than Europe. You have much more social support. You can travel, you have your pension not linked to how the stocks perform, you can be sick without risky of being bankrupted either because you cannot afford treatment or because you don’t have paid sick leaves. My health is not linked to how much I make. But if you are happy with it go for it, I’m totally fine

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u/landofconfusion75 5h ago

You're looking at it glass half empty. Sure there is more risk of bankruptcy. But on the flip side, you can build serious wealth here. Much faster too. A lot of people I know have done it. I have lots of hopes and dreams and I'm slowly achieving them. But hey if you want to play it safe, good for you. The European model isn't for me.

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u/Cuks5342 5h ago

The thing is wealth is kinda irrelevant beyond some point. It's just a number.

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u/landofconfusion75 5h ago

And what point is that? It's different for everyone. And like I said, it's not just about accumulating money but achieving a lot of dreams. And helping the people I love. But hey, if you're happy with the European way, more power to you.

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u/Cuks5342 4h ago

The point is many people don't put importance on wealth. It's only a thing if you can't afford basic living stuff. But beyond that it's irrelevant.

For example I don't see gdp as an indicator of progress. Universal health condition of people living in a country, social conditions, safety, environment... These are the indicators of developed country.

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u/Fmywholelife 3h ago

You know you can just snap the lid off the bottle of it annoys you...