r/SipsTea • • 7h ago

Lmao gottem Valid point

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u/paranood888 7h ago

We have longer life expectancy in Europe, half your homicide rate , and less personal debt. We also have way more paid holidays and leaves. So I ll end up seeing my familly and loved ones 2x more than you will , too busy to work for your billionaires overlord (who themselves have miserable lives).

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u/Top-Cupcake4775 6h ago

i think the difference is that we don't like our families. seeing them 2x would be 2x more painful.

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u/paranood888 6h ago

Let's have a h1b visa like program but for conjugal rights then, we will obligé

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u/War-eaglern 6h ago

Of course those number leave out Eastern Europe and the the active war happening in Europe

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u/Pale_Occasion_2447 5h ago

It's more so European Union that Europe itself. You have some shitholes in Europe too.

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u/War-eaglern 5h ago

It’s cherry picking stats that back their argument. If you remove the poor crime ridden areas then of course you’re going to have less crime

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u/RussiaWestAdventures 3h ago

Half of the homicide rate was actually insanely generous for the US.

Official EU statistics is that we had ~450 million ppl in the EU and ~3950 homicides total in 2023. Thats's about 0.88 per 100 000

The same statistic for the US was at 5.9 per 100 000 in 2023.

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u/RavenX86 3h ago

You do resize that the “european invitation” is literally something strictly related to EU. The few non eu european countries that do have these caps are strictly due to logistics of the manufacturing.

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u/Expensive_Savings_42 4h ago

Cherry picking is what they got, don't take it away from them 😂😭 

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u/War-eaglern 4h ago

The more comments I read the more I’ve come to understand that to Redditors Europe only consists of the countries that tourists like to visit and the Ukraine war doesn’t exist

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u/PalatinusG1 2h ago

You think eastern Europe has more crime than western Europe? That's just not true. Look it up.

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u/Pale_Occasion_2447 1h ago

Depends what crime. Overall east and west don't really differ. East just reports less. Organised crime is still bigger is east than west and central east Europe. How safe is each country is other statistic where countries don't differ much except Poland that is conaiderest one of the safest places in Europe.

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u/KZGTURTLE 6h ago

Well yeah those are the “bad poor europeans” so they don’t count towards the good Europeans.

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u/thecakeisalienunoit 6h ago

We will get them there eventually. It just takes time and subsidiaries.

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u/CzechHorns 6h ago

Subsidiaries, huh.

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u/thecakeisalienunoit 5h ago

Yeah, it's like a magic potion for countries. Works 100%, 20 percent of the time.

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u/CzechHorns 5h ago

I think you mean subsidies, subsidiaries are something else.

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u/thecakeisalienunoit 4h ago

Yeah, I think you're right! Thanks :)

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u/plantsoldier 1h ago

So similar to Sex Panther, perfect.

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u/Fantastic-Mud-9869 4h ago

well do you count south america? Or do you only count usa?

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u/KZGTURTLE 4h ago

If I said all of the Americas that would include “all of the Americas”.

Saying Europe means… all of Europe not just the rich France, Britain and Germany

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u/Fantastic-Mud-9869 4h ago

Ok so America is just USA and all of the Americas means the continents? Why shouldn't Europe mean just the EU. Double standard much?

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u/KZGTURTLE 3h ago

Oh I get to teach geography.

So Europe is a continental shelf that includes all land masses on top of it.

We have north and South America over here. So if I say North America this has to include every country on the continental shelf.

Europe and the EU are not the same thing because the EU is a human made concept of governance where there is no hard line dictate of what allows or doesn’t a country into it.

If a country is on the European continent though it’s part of Europe.

Hope I could help you learn something about geography. :)

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u/Hot-Safe4051 3h ago

This is the same as the gulf of Mexico. You guys call it as "Gulf of America" because of your country issues. In the rest of the world, it is the Gulf of México as it has been for many centuries.

America is not a continent but a country in your country, but in the rest of the world, America are two continents.

I mean, you guys, the U.S. Americans, can be a little bit delusional some times, to the point that you think the whole world is wrong except you

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u/Mediocre-Joe 43m ago

Some people get weirdly fixated on names whats your opinion of the Persian gulf?

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u/Fantastic-Mud-9869 3h ago

Thing is most of you guys do not say north america. Most of you say america and you only mean USA with it. Even your wiki page states: "The United States of America (USA), also known as the United States (U.S.) or America"

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u/froction 3h ago

Yes, when there is no other context given "America" means the US.

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u/jknl 2h ago

Well if we are going to include all countries from the European continent, we need to be fair. Your stats need to include all countries of north America.

• ntigua and Barbuda • Bahamas • Barbados • Belize • Canada • Costa Rica • Cuba • Dominica • Dominican Republic • El Salvador • Grenada • Guatemala • Haiti • Honduras • Jamaica • Mexico • Nicaragua • Panama • Saint Kitts and Nevis • Saint Lucia • Saint Vincent and the Grenadines • Trinidad and Tobago

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u/War-eaglern 6h ago

Funny how that happens

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u/sonicparadigm 6h ago

Don't you know, Social Media Europe is a fictional place, that combines all the best parts of different regions of Europe into one place, and in the same way Social Media America is also a fictional place that combines all the worst parts of different regions of America into one place

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u/Hot-Safe4051 2h ago

I mean, I know it's hard to believe, but having paid vacations and have somewhat decent labor laws is not that hard. It's hard when there's hostility towards workers right, which happens in the U.S.

Even in the east of Europe, they have standardized paid vacation of at least 20 days. So don't think it's fictional, is a matter of willingness of the government, so fight for your rights.

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u/Ok-Scheme-913 4h ago

There is no active war in EU

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u/lalalata1 4h ago

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

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u/Reds_Strongest_Chef 2h ago

>eastern europe

You meant west asia?

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u/blissed_out_cossack 53m ago

What you mean like new G20 member Poland? Lots of countries in the former "Eastern bloc" are pretty fucking rich by global standards.

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u/Decent_Visual_4845 6h ago

Why do you act like Europe is one big country?

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u/Willing-Knee-9118 5h ago

Probably becauae the meme does and they are responding in the same format. hey alexa, define context for me real quick please.

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u/BitterWord4 5h ago

Hey Alexa, why do Europeans hide their country of origin when they bash Americans?

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u/Particular_Match_777 3h ago

Because they’re probably from Lithuania or something

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u/Willing-Knee-9118 5h ago

Because it wasnt relevant nor requested in the meme an american made to try and bash Europeans.

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u/BitterWord4 4h ago

If only this context applied to every context you’d have definitely dodged my point.

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u/Willing-Knee-9118 4h ago

I didt realize youve decided we're talking about every instance of someone from Europe talking in existence and not the specific one we were activly talking about. Wiuld you like me to link a video on how to dig a hole so your goal posts stop wandering?

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u/ShoulderWhich5520 5h ago

Isn't this stuff (not all but a good chunk) applicable to the whole EU?

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u/booze_clues 4h ago

One big country, excluding any European nation that brings down their metrics.

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u/Duergarlicbread 3h ago

Have you considered how much shareholder value you are missing out on adding.

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u/philmaq 1h ago

Exactly, you Europeans do not care about the shareholders. They are are my everything. The reason of my being. I slave and toil away, and it is all for them, my loves.

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u/SpatuleVelue 1h ago

You lost some opportunities while you was writing this.

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u/Apprehensive_Rip9731 5h ago

Less debt also. Let's see how that debt works in a decade + ai bubble and mag7 circle jerk

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u/BitterWord4 5h ago

A nice seat on a sinking ship. Enjoy.

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u/cheesemangee 6h ago

I haven't been on vacation in 15 years because I can't afford to do so around saving for a house.

Being American sucks. After ma and dad are gone, I'm gonna run off somewhere else if things aren't dramatically better by then.

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u/J3remyD 6h ago

Wish I could afford to leave…

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u/Crypt_Ghast 6h ago

The company i work for has now an American leadership. Everything changed for the worst, inefficient as it can get. At least we have shareholders now.

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u/ComfortableCoconut41 5h ago

My brother works for a euro pharma company. Their U.S. division and contractors are clueless as fuck

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u/-HowAboutNo- 3h ago

Same here, worst thing that could ever happen. Everything became hierarchical and focused on keeping the stock price moving every quarter. Went bankrupt after 4 years and was sold soon thereafter.

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u/froction 3h ago

Which company was that?

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u/DeepWaffleCA 5h ago

Happened to the company I worked for. Went from a wonderful company with many people staying for over 10 years (not common in Tech), to an absolute shit show.

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u/mehnotsure 6h ago

I love Europe. But it’s turning into a museum.

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u/djdndjdjdjdjdndjdjjd 6h ago

It’s always been a museum. The old stuff can be pretty cool.

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u/CzechHorns 6h ago

what is that even supposed to mean?

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u/INeedSomeTacoC 39m ago

Europe is getting poor because their primary industry is selling things to people there to visit the museum. 

Heck, many Europeans can't even afford to live near the museum parts anymore. 

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u/Sea_Local2557 5h ago

i prefer the museum to the favelas and ultra rich sucking dry everyone

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u/No-Minimum3259 4h ago

Have you ever visited a museum, apart from Disneyland?

You should ask yourself the question -if you're able to, which I doubt- if your not knowing, equals it doesn't exist. The answer should be obvious for people who received minimal education.

Around one thirth of the radio-isotopes used in research/diagnoses/medical treatments in the USA are produced by one of the smallest EU countries.

Around 40% of all your prescription drugs and/or the precursors to made them are EU-made.

Only a few examples of how the mghty USA, with all it's grandiosity, depends on peasants around the globe. Without us, you're nothing. Without Canada's potash your agriculture will end within a decade. And no: Elon nor another immature tech bro or a senile politician will come up with a solution.

You're toast already. Enjoy the ride.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 4h ago

God damn I tend to think living in the USA is bad until I see these seething posts from elsewhere. The defensiveness is unreal.

The global economy works all the ways. Pretending the US doesn't export anything is wild.

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u/No-Minimum3259 3h ago

Yeah, sure, you're absolutely right, lol.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 3h ago

Just so I'm clear, which utopia are you from?

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u/Dubious_Odor 2h ago

The sheer just, ineptitude, of this comment. Imagine using the effects of liberalized and global free trade as an insult against the country that was the framer and architecht of that system.

If only there was a way we could compare the policies of the U.S. against others. Oh wait we can, Eastern vs. Western Europe. One was pillaged and extracted via empire and the other built into flourshing deomocratic, wealthy free states.

You would think that someone who had a minimal education would understand how the world they live in came to be. But here we are. 

And its laughable that Europe is somehow above the rising tide while AfD is on the march, the Sweden Democrats remain and Rassemblement National is poised to win the French presidency.

If you're going to troll at least have a kernal of knowledge about the topic. If you're not a troll or bot then you're just ignorant and just as much part of the problem as any red hat in the U.S.

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u/No-Minimum3259 2h ago

Oh boy... I only wanted to point out that the USA is not the super power some think it is and that the USA is, like any other country, dependent on trade with others.

It's not up to me to defend the Yankee position in this one, that traderelations are by nature reciprosal relationships.

It was only a matter of time untill someone would show up boasting that "... using the effects of liberalized and global free trade as an insult against the country that was the framer and architecht of that system.".

Please explain for starters what you mean by: "the country that was the framer and architecht of that system".

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u/Dubious_Odor 1h ago

My friend if you dont know how the E.U. came into being then a comment on the internet isn't going to fill the gaps for you. 

You could start with the Marshall Plan. Then how the ESCC (E.U precursor and foundational body) formed. Of course theres GATT, the foundational trade treaty that ran for decades and ledc to the WTO. Cant leave out NATO and its role demiliterizing inter european rivalry. Plus dozens of other smaller treaties, agreements, trade deals, joint projects (F-35, James Webb).

The U.S. is still a superpower and will remain so for a long time. Its no longer a hyper power, a position it held for 30 years. 

You've fallen victim to propaganda. No reasonably educated person ever believed the U.S. has stood singularly and could do whatever it wanted. The strength of the U.S. has always been its alliances and trade, which it built. Thats why this current moment is so bad, the source of U.S. strength is being diminished either intentionally or through sheer stupidity from within. My money is on intentional. 

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u/No-Minimum3259 1h ago

So, you're gonna explain "the country that was the framer and architect of liberized and free trade" with... the post ww II Marchal plan ??? Great, lol. 

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u/Dubious_Odor 47m ago

It appears you dont know what the words architecht and framer mean. You remind me of a quote from a great American.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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u/paranood888 6h ago

Yeah europe can be boring and not loud enough but hey at least I won't be bankrupted if I get sick... And I love the USA. Just not the USA that we're seeing now...

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u/nigel_pow 6h ago

I won't laugh but there'll be some form of karmic justice when eventually all those perks go away because of the lagging European economy. It won't come immediately but over time.

This alarm has been raised for the last few years but Europeans don't listen.

So it will be a Europe with similar benefits but lower salaries.

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u/paranood888 6h ago

You realize you have worse government debt than us , and that you only function thanks to the petro dollar ..? I mean, yeah sure, thats why all your tech CEO are retiring here and putting their kids in Europe they must fear the horrible ordeal that will come to us. I really hope for you that Trump won't succeed in ending the petro dollar, by just his sheer stupidity

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u/booze_clues 4h ago

So our CEOs go to retire in Europe, and your CEOs emigrate from Europe to run their companies in less taxes heavy countries?

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u/BillySmooth 7h ago

Not to mention vastly higher median wealth per person (UBS Wealth Report) in major European economies. The Americans can't even get money right, their only "thing".

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u/dsk83 2h ago

It works right if you're a billionaire

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u/Thetman38 7h ago

Okay sure, but have you considered all the freedom we have?

Check and mate Europe

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u/DreamlessWindow 6h ago

You can't write that without /s, people won't get the sarcasm, regardless of how obvious it may be.

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u/Thetman38 5h ago

I thought saying "check and mate" was the giveaway

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u/GoldVader 2h ago

I was going to say it was very obvious, and then I looked at some of the replies, and now I'm sad.

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u/Chemistry-Deep 3h ago

Any English people not detecting the sarcasm need to have a good look at themselves.

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u/Sea_Fox_2850 7h ago

Flock cams ? ICE killing your people? School shootings ? Man you are so damn free

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u/onoz9 7h ago

Free to shoot each other to death, Europe doesn't have that!!

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u/New_Cardiologist4533 6h ago

I mean technically anyone is free to shoot/stab each other to death.*

*Until get caught or gets killed.

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u/Holiday-Fix-9244 5h ago

Funny enough, more people die per capita in Europe from lack of AC than gun deaths in America.

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u/Handies 5h ago

and 2/3 all of gun deaths are suicides. The us is quite safe and not some wild west free for all that reddit wants to make it appear.

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u/Ok-Scheme-913 4h ago

You may want to look up the most likely cause of death in children.

It's absolutely heinous shit.

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u/onoz9 5h ago

Well I could pull out any kind of statistics (car deaths, obesity etc), not that it matters. AC deaths is aided by Americans btw, who are happy to keep burning fossil fuels to keep profits running for billionaires. And elderly people mostly suffer from it. School shootings is totally different, sadly.

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u/Holiday-Fix-9244 4h ago

It’s moreso china and India, but go off I guess

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u/Handies 5h ago

Uh what mate? Our ac deaths are Americans fault? Europe has billionaires too...

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u/Humble-Reply228 6h ago

Ukr/russia have entered the chat

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u/Sea_Fox_2850 6h ago

So people defending themselves against the destruction of their country is the same to you ? We all know Americans hate people that want to live free. We saw what you done in the middle east .

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u/Humble-Reply228 5h ago

I don’t care the reason, it’s beyond argument that if want to shoot people, just go to Ukraine or Russia and they will put you where shooting happens.

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u/Acrobatic-Layer2993 6h ago

Flock cams have nothing on cctv

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u/YouSnuffTheBlaze 3h ago

Flock cams are a disgrace but they don’t have shit on European levels of surveillance and privacy invasions.

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u/AcceptablePosition5 37m ago

It's a joke, relax

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u/MLG_Ethereum 6h ago

Go touch grass, my guy. How many people has ICE killed? How many people have died in school shootings? Compare that on a per capita basis.

Your world view and perception is so warped because you spend so much time on reddit. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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u/GustenGrodkuk 6h ago edited 6h ago

The US had 57 times more school shootings than the rest of the G7 countries combined. The US has 8.68 school shootings per million people. Sweden has 0.26. Spain has 0.13. England has 0.26. Germany 0.19. Those are straight facts.

Edit: added per capita

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u/bouchandre 6h ago

"ICE only killed 2 innocent civilians so it's all sunshine and roses"

ICE has the largest budget out of any departement in US history. Why? Also, a lot of people have simply gone missing after being taken away by these thugs. they likely killed many many more.

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u/Sea_Fox_2850 6h ago

Oh nice. They killed not that many innocent people so it's ok ... You showed perfect what's wrong with your country

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u/EchoChamberTech 6h ago

Sarcasm lost on our European brothers lol.

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u/16c7x 6h ago

LOL, you're not even allowed to drink unpasteurised milk.

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u/Ok-Scheme-913 4h ago

Like getting shot in school?

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u/Bikerbass 2h ago

You do realise that the US doesn’t even make it into the top 10 when it comes to Freedom right?

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u/UltimateLmon 2h ago

And my cholesterol!

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u/NotLocalAndNotADilf 32m ago

Im american and I cant even agree with this

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u/paranood888 7h ago

Yeah famously you put more of your citizen behind bar than most countries on earth even dictatorship. Worst than Russia or Afghanistan lol. Only country that does worse is El Salvador but you re also sending ppl there lol

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u/AssistanceCheap379 3h ago

I know youre probably just goofing around, but thr US is behind 33 European nations. Countries like Romania and Czechia, Poland and Croatia are higher up in terms of freedoms than the US according to Freedom House.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores?sort=fiw&sort_order=desc

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u/-HowAboutNo- 3h ago

No hate to Romania.

But man, falling behind Romania is a low-point for the US..

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u/foo-bar-25 7h ago

Such as?

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u/Repocket_Pocket 6h ago

THE FREEDOM THAT THE GUNS PROVIDE THE PEOPLE.

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u/Raskzak 6h ago

but why don't they use it then?

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u/foo-bar-25 6h ago

Which is what exactly?

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u/zenrexneo 6h ago

Can’t walk across the street because it’s j walking. Dude America isn’t free, not even your healthcare. Europe can walk wherever

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u/Andromeda_53 5h ago

I was bewildered when I learnt that fact about j-walking why is crossing the road a crime

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u/Poobbly 3h ago

Cars are king in the US.

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u/Surfsupforthesummer 4h ago

Ok with murder? You call shooting at schools is freedom? Getting abducted by unidentified government officials, freedom? Explain exactly what you consider freedom compared to Europe. Please.

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u/WoTpro 3h ago

i think he was being sarcastic ;)

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u/w-t-f-m 4h ago

Careful, don’t say the wrong thing on social media or the constable will be knocking on your door.

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u/Fmywholelife 3h ago edited 3h ago

Hells yeah, US citizens enjoy the freedom to wear swastikas and Seig Heil and the freedom fire our workers without notice and cause and a flag on the friggin moon.

Whereas alls the Europoor have got is the right to healthcare, a right to safe medication, a right to compensation, the right to repair hardware, right to paid parental leave and the right to paid annual leave, the right to be forgotten and the right to own their data.

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u/EchoChamberTech 6h ago

The USA is a third world country.

Signed,

A USA Citizen.

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u/MLG_Ethereum 6h ago

#1 GDP in the world at $32 trillion, the most millionaires in the world, and the most trillion dollar companies by market capitalization.

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u/haunted2089 6h ago

which one of those millionaires will you go to when you need an ambulance you cant afford? will your billionaire-inflated gdo save your kids from being gunned down at school?

the fact that the usa is home to the most mega corps is a symptom of its biggest issue, not something to be proud of. generational dustrust in ghe authority of the government has led to it being unable to act against large corporations making living conditions worse for common people and eventually, it led to the government being populated by people who are interested in furthering the power of megacorps and making money off of it.

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u/EduardoMessiah 6h ago

Where're your millions bro?

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u/EchoChamberTech 6h ago

LOL. Cool story. How does that help the average person?

#10/10 in healthcare outcomes out of wealthy nations. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2024/sep/mirror-mirror-2024

2.7 years lower life expectancy than the rest of the OECD. https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2025_15a55280-en/united-states_3517f35e-en.html

The only OECD nation without paid maternity leave. https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/oecd-economic-surveys-united-states-2024_cdfff156-en/full-report/key-policy-insights_b4048d6a.html

Double the average obesity rate of the rest of the OECD. https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2025_15a55280-en/united-states_3517f35e-en.html

50% higher preventable deaths per year than the rest of the OECD. https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2025_15a55280-en/united-states_3517f35e-en.html

38th out of 43 countries on children's physical health. https://www.unicefusa.org/sites/default/files/2025-05/Report%20Card%2019%20Child%20Well-Being%20in%20an%20Unpredictable%20World.pdf

And that's before we get into severe lack of infrastructure investment in renewables and future technologies compared to the EU nations.

But yeah. Sweet. We have a lot of millionaires. That's great.

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u/Decent_Visual_4845 6h ago

You’re just cherrypicking the figures where we’re doing worse than the average OECD and not mentioning the ones where we’re outperforming the average.

Also, the US is a massive multicultural country, and shouldn’t be compared to fucking Norway or Denmark.

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u/EchoChamberTech 6h ago

Sure. We have lower unemployment, higher average wages, higher labor force participation rate, more adults with secondary and tertiary education, etc.

And your point? I maintain, the US is a third world country. Travel international more often, you'll see.

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u/thecakeisalienunoit 6h ago

And how is the average citizen doing in the parameters considered "civilized"? Your answer just pointed to the problem.

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u/Fmywholelife 3h ago

Unless you're one of the 100 Americans who own most of that GDP, it's really not something to be bragging about...

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u/UpstairsGrand9539 5h ago

lol… queue he standard Euro response. We have more holidays oOoOoh 👻

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u/BitterWord4 5h ago

Which country is that?

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u/No_Wrongdoer2850 4h ago

Don’t worry, EU working on importing those numbers in so you can be like USA. Sweden is off to a good start.

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u/MillerisLord 4h ago

Don't forget our war machine. This guys selling us short and bragging about things that make everyday life better for the average person.

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u/pmcdon148 4h ago

Interestingly Iran has one of the highest number of mandatory paid leave days in the year (43) whereas in the US, the number is zero.

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u/Keyan_Farlander7 3h ago

You can thank privatized healthcare for that.

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u/Zromaus 3h ago

You also can’t own a kitchen knife

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u/Juicemoose222 3h ago

Half the homicide rate? Lol ok

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u/DrawingOverall4306 3h ago

More Europeans died from lack of air conditioning than Americans from gun violence in 2025

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u/froction 3h ago

Do you? Someone from, for example, France, has a longer life expectancy than an American of French ancestry?

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u/Kahlypso 3h ago

And yet you wouldnt exist without us. Funny how that works.

Youre welcome, btw. Yall are kinda cute.

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u/whisperworks 3h ago

Yeah but you also have a combined Russian and North Korean army knocking on your back door and over dependence on the American military industrial complex left you with with a big hole in defense you’ve got to scramble to fill.

We’ll see how this plays out over the next decade or so but as things stand I’m quite content being in the states lol

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u/iaintintothis 2h ago

You've got too many kings and princes for you to be saying that. You got plenty of overlords in Europe champ

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u/spacer9631 1h ago

You also make 2x less than us, own less homes and assets overall

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u/paranood888 1h ago

Lol. Why own more homes if it is in exchange of spending way more of your life working ? Why would a number on a paycheck be meaningful if you die sooner or live a stressful life because you know that one problem and you could lose it all , no safety net .. most western Europeans from middle to upper middle class dont see money and material stuff as being that important. You d be surprised. Here in France its even seen as low class and cringe to talk about money / show that you value money and stuff more than time, hobbies or culture

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u/wiener4hir3 51m ago

Oh my god shut up. Yes we have it better than Americans do, and many of them don't know this, but we don't need to begin every last comment section by smugly insulting them as if the average American person is at fault for their systemic issues. Plenty of them on this site are well aware of this, so maybe lead with some compassion rather than disdain.

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u/BarAdministrative838 45m ago

Europe plays to the averages. The US has bimodal distributions and long tails.

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u/Almaegen 25m ago

Yes here you are getting worked up over fabricated divisive content. Fun fact, an American did not make this meme.

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u/paranood888 19m ago

Hmm yeah but who designed the algorithm and those rage bait silos ? It looks like american real tv mixed with american wrestling pepered with american conspiracy/conservative talk radio... Murdoch, Duguin have their part to play. But I blame those who designed it and are profitering

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u/Almaegen 12m ago

You have a very siloed and caricaturized view of American culture.

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u/cjh6793 6h ago

Average Europoor comment.

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u/paranood888 6h ago

Litteraly clowning someone for not being as dumb as you. Its the level some of the US public has reached... "look at him with with his arguments and facts about a topic. Urk"

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u/nigel_pow 6h ago

Freaking international test scores have Americans and Europeans pretty much even. And in some cases Americans surpass some European countries while getting surpassed by others.

And lets not forget rising right-wing movements in Europe and supporters that spew the same crap. Americans and Europeans have the same proportions of idiots.

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u/paranood888 6h ago

Hmm yeah I mean ... Idk if you realize how Meloni and Le Pen , even if I hate their politics , are sooo much more eloquent and tasteful and reasonable and honest than Trump... With Vance, Trump etc... Ben Shapiro , Beck , Candace Owens : i am sorry to tell you but we dont really have this level of brash stupidity in Europe. For example , conservatives like Le Pen father , wete always into classical littérature, into hating pop culture and sub culture and TV/media... and into fighting physically for your ideas (he went to fight Algerian and Vietnam colonial wars even if he was a member of parliament). Same thing for religious value : right wing Catholics here know death penalty , war , money are not compatible with Christianity This whole post truth, spectacle, idiocracy is really something both USA and Russia are to blame for , IMO Sorry bout that, and I am willing to admit we have horrible populists too

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u/Dekhara 5h ago

Here, have some bacon and an AR15, that should cheer you up. Now off to school, champ!

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u/Majestic_Ground7718 5h ago

Oh yeah, the massive drop from 0.00004 homicide rate to 0.00002; that really convinced me Europe is a utopia. When you say double you act like it's a significant increase. The vast majority of Americans have never and will never see a brutal attack let alone a homicide.

Also endlessly talking shit on America while your country has mounting problems is rich. Do your rich overlords like to distract you with our politics meanwhile they steal from the coffers?

Europe is quickly becoming irrelevant, just like it was for most of history. The importance is shifting back to the part of the world that was always contributing to society: India and China. The engineers from the old world are holding up modern tech. Europe is so young and new, you must be mistaken about the level of importance of modern Europe.

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u/paranood888 4h ago

You re just wrong on the stats and realities at least of western Europe. Depending on the state you can have up to 4 time the homicide rate . And I am not talking about simple shootings. All of that while still having the death penalty and putting more of your citizen in prison than Irak or Russia lol. And now you re adding flock surveillance... As for the rest, its cool if youre happy living in these conditions. I spent 2 years in the US , and I am pretty close with politics here in France, and I just think you're in a worst position as far as quality of life and insurance towards the future shocks (the retirement system etc..)

Also its kind of funny you said Europe was irrelevant for most of history... do you realize that we discovered your continent and that you literally come frome Europe? And that all your culture comes from Europe? I mean language, law, names, town names ...

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u/Majestic_Ground7718 3h ago

Holy cow! Four times! My God, all the way from 0.00001 up to 0.00004!?

All the rest of your random insults apply to almost every country in Europe, too. So I guess by your standard we're as good as Europe? Heck we're better than most of Europe in education. Also, anyone can tell you that our healthcare is far more comparable to europes than you'd think given the endless propaganda.

France is a funny country to mention. You know that of Europe, France is the country with by far the biggest problem with terrorist organizations? To the point that close ties with France get you observed by the FBI? What a terrible country to compare us to.

Anyways, there's plenty of metrics by which the USA is better than Europe. Many where it's average for Europe. And a few where it's worse by an incredibly tiny amount (like 0.00002 which you consider a large number). I like Europe, but I don't like elitists like you. Focus on your own problems; they are many 🤣

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u/Vegetable-Zone1353 6h ago

All this U.S. v. E.U. garbage is just Russian propaganda slop (mixed in with Trump propaganda slop, which is the same thing).

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u/Desultory_Chairlift 5h ago

Yeah both places are really cool

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u/conservatore 4h ago

If you want a normal middle class life, go to Europe. If you want to be exceptional go to the United States

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u/JimiusRostock 3h ago

Capitalists will often complain that Europe has no huge companies like the US does. But when you look closer, it's because companies in the Europe can't exploit their workers. No sudden lay-offs, no unpaid overtime and other wage theft practices. This makes companies less scalable, but untamed scaling just leads to bubbles.

Tesla is supposedly worth more than Toyota, except it has only released 5 cars in nearly 20 years, one of which was an enormous flop.

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u/xcver2 2h ago

Do not let market capitalization fool you. Revenue wise Tesla is <100 BN USD. Less than a third than VW or Toyota.

And tech wise I do not see them ahead of anyone anymore. Basically all US shares are inflated and larger parts of the market are not driven by real numbers

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u/One_Cardiologist9441 4h ago

Except the tax rate is often a lot higher to cover this social system, resulting in a lack of innovation. As a result, Europe is becoming increasingly more dependent on countries like the US and China while everything is slowly going to shit. But at least we have less plastic caps on the street.

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u/Distinct_Height_5490 4h ago

Im sorry but how is going US economy right now for the middle class ?

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u/One_Cardiologist9441 3h ago

Do you think it's any better in Europe? Have you not seen the protests/riots in France, Spain, Belgium? I'm not saying it's perfect in the US but Europe is becoming a mess.

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u/Distinct_Height_5490 3h ago

Im sorry but i never say that

However the stat are right we got everything better and you are the one telling that us is fine while Europe is slowly going shit

So once again how good is the US Economy for the middle class ?

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u/One_Cardiologist9441 3h ago

I never said that you said that, hence my question. Regarding the middle class, the average salary is a lot higher than in Europe. Taking the social system into account I would say pretty similar as in Europe, maybe slightly higher. Do you know how many people move from Europe to the US and vice versa? Why do you think that is?

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u/Distinct_Height_5490 3h ago

Because higher salary is not a good metric about the condition of life ??

Better social system / less debt / free education / we die older / we eat healtier because of better food control.

Also i dont how you think the metric of immigration is good to quantify the quality of life.

Quality of life can explain why people leave but there is also a lot of other factor

Btw i can answer for you : more than half of american people are overheight so in bad health condition / the american citizen are in permanence in debt and the quality of life for the middle class is worse every years and im not talking about the poor with probably the worse social system in occident

So yeah im really Happy to win less money than the american citizen

Because im in good health, i go at college without paying hundred of thousand, i will probably die older and if im broke i got a lot of help.

Obviously the system is not perfect and if people riot in France its precisly because we dont want the same social and education system that America got

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u/One_Cardiologist9441 3h ago

I never said it was a good metric? I literally asked you why you think that is (so for this specific case). My point was that a lot of people move to the US because of the much higher salary. Yes we have better health care, because we already pay for it in our taxes an don't have a proper army in return. Yes we have free education, but the best unis are all in the US. Yes, the minimum QoL here is (a lot) higher but so is the "maximum" (a lot) lower. I think the right balance is somewhere between the US and Europe's system. Since Trump and the war in Ukraine it became painfully clear how much we need the US and not so much the other way around. The protests in France are not just about education, but also housing, energy prices, jobs, immigration...

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u/Distinct_Height_5490 2h ago

Protest in France are not about immigration lmao

Je sais qui tu es c'est bon pas besoin de continuer

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u/One_Cardiologist9441 2h ago

Alright, not so much about immigration in France. Is that really all you have to say?

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u/landofconfusion75 6h ago

You also have lower salaries (especially in tech/healthcare/law), less innovation, a much lower ceiling for career growth, and don't assimilate immigrants as well as America.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 6h ago edited 6h ago

Salary and career should be tools for having a good quality of life.

I wouldn’t trade my quality of life for more money

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u/landofconfusion75 5h ago

But money and quality of life are connected. I can buy whatever I like since I have more disposable income. I'm very ambitious and feel like america has rewarded me well. I'm an immigrant from Asia btw. I'd likely feel restricted in Europe. You also ignored my other points.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 5h ago

Quality of life exlusively linked to what product you can buy it’s a very american way to see life

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u/landofconfusion75 5h ago

Equating disposable income with only buying products is a very European way to mischaracterize ambition. In the real world, money buys options, security, and peace of mind. I can travel and retire early too. If you’re happy with a capped salary and a lower ceiling, more power to you. Just don't pretend lower purchasing power is a moral virtue.

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u/Minute-Champion-6136 5h ago edited 5h ago

You told “I can buy whatever I like”. In Europe you have much more peace of mind and security. It’s much more likely to be bankrupt in US rather than Europe. You have much more social support. You can travel, you have your pension not linked to how the stocks perform, you can be sick without risky of being bankrupted either because you cannot afford treatment or because you don’t have paid sick leaves. My health is not linked to how much I make. But if you are happy with it go for it, I’m totally fine

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u/landofconfusion75 5h ago

You're looking at it glass half empty. Sure there is more risk of bankruptcy. But on the flip side, you can build serious wealth here. Much faster too. A lot of people I know have done it. I have lots of hopes and dreams and I'm slowly achieving them. But hey if you want to play it safe, good for you. The European model isn't for me.

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u/Cuks5342 5h ago

The thing is wealth is kinda irrelevant beyond some point. It's just a number.

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u/landofconfusion75 4h ago

And what point is that? It's different for everyone. And like I said, it's not just about accumulating money but achieving a lot of dreams. And helping the people I love. But hey, if you're happy with the European way, more power to you.

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u/Fmywholelife 3h ago

You know you can just snap the lid off the bottle of it annoys you...

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u/NoIce9642 5h ago

Then STFU about the US. If your continent is so great, why are you always talking about the other side of the world?

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u/KoRaZee 5h ago

If you have not been to the EU yet, their news is very US focused. It’s a bizarre cultural phenomenon that would be in their best interest to get rid of.

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