We have longer life expectancy in Europe, half your homicide rate , and less personal debt. We also have way more paid holidays and leaves. So I ll end up seeing my familly and loved ones 2x more than you will , too busy to work for your billionaires overlord (who themselves have miserable lives).
You do resize that the “european invitation” is literally something strictly related to EU. The few non eu european countries that do have these caps are strictly due to logistics of the manufacturing.
The more comments I read the more I’ve come to understand that to Redditors Europe only consists of the countries that tourists like to visit and the Ukraine war doesn’t exist
Depends what crime. Overall east and west don't really differ. East just reports less. Organised crime is still bigger is east than west and central east Europe. How safe is each country is other statistic where countries don't differ much except Poland that is conaiderest one of the safest places in Europe.
So Europe is a continental shelf that includes all land masses on top of it.
We have north and South America over here. So if I say North America this has to include every country on the continental shelf.
Europe and the EU are not the same thing because the EU is a human made concept of governance where there is no hard line dictate of what allows or doesn’t a country into it.
If a country is on the European continent though it’s part of Europe.
Hope I could help you learn something about geography. :)
This is the same as the gulf of Mexico. You guys call it as "Gulf of America" because of your country issues. In the rest of the world, it is the Gulf of México as it has been for many centuries.
America is not a continent but a country in your country, but in the rest of the world, America are two continents.
I mean, you guys, the U.S. Americans, can be a little bit delusional some times, to the point that you think the whole world is wrong except you
Thing is most of you guys do not say north america. Most of you say america and you only mean USA with it. Even your wiki page states: "The United States of America (USA), also known as the United States (U.S.) or America"
Well if we are going to include all countries from the European continent, we need to be fair.
Your stats need to include all countries of north America.
• ntigua and Barbuda
• Bahamas
• Barbados
• Belize
• Canada
• Costa Rica
• Cuba
• Dominica
• Dominican Republic
• El Salvador
• Grenada
• Guatemala
• Haiti
• Honduras
• Jamaica
• Mexico
• Nicaragua
• Panama
• Saint Kitts and Nevis
• Saint Lucia
• Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
• Trinidad and Tobago
Don't you know, Social Media Europe is a fictional place, that combines all the best parts of different regions of Europe into one place, and in the same way Social Media America is also a fictional place that combines all the worst parts of different regions of America into one place
I mean, I know it's hard to believe, but having paid vacations and have somewhat decent labor laws is not that hard. It's hard when there's hostility towards workers right, which happens in the U.S.
Even in the east of Europe, they have standardized paid vacation of at least 20 days. So don't think it's fictional, is a matter of willingness of the government, so fight for your rights.
I didt realize youve decided we're talking about every instance of someone from Europe talking in existence and not the specific one we were activly talking about. Wiuld you like me to link a video on how to dig a hole so your goal posts stop wandering?
Exactly, you Europeans do not care about the shareholders. They are are my everything. The reason of my being. I slave and toil away, and it is all for them, my loves.
Same here, worst thing that could ever happen. Everything became hierarchical and focused on keeping the stock price moving every quarter. Went bankrupt after 4 years and was sold soon thereafter.
Happened to the company I worked for. Went from a wonderful company with many people staying for over 10 years (not common in Tech), to an absolute shit show.
Have you ever visited a museum, apart from Disneyland?
You should ask yourself the question -if you're able to, which I doubt- if your not knowing, equals it doesn't exist. The answer should be obvious for people who received minimal education.
Around one thirth of the radio-isotopes used in research/diagnoses/medical treatments in the USA are produced by one of the smallest EU countries.
Around 40% of all your prescription drugs and/or the precursors to made them are EU-made.
Only a few examples of how the mghty USA, with all it's grandiosity, depends on peasants around the globe. Without us, you're nothing. Without Canada's potash your agriculture will end within a decade. And no: Elon nor another immature tech bro or a senile politician will come up with a solution.
The sheer just, ineptitude, of this comment. Imagine using the effects of liberalized and global free trade as an insult against the country that was the framer and architecht of that system.
If only there was a way we could compare the policies of the U.S. against others. Oh wait we can, Eastern vs. Western Europe. One was pillaged and extracted via empire and the other built into flourshing deomocratic, wealthy free states.
You would think that someone who had a minimal education would understand how the world they live in came to be. But here we are.
And its laughable that Europe is somehow above the rising tide while AfD is on the march, the Sweden Democrats remain and Rassemblement National is poised to win the French presidency.
If you're going to troll at least have a kernal of knowledge about the topic. If you're not a troll or bot then you're just ignorant and just as much part of the problem as any red hat in the U.S.
Oh boy... I only wanted to point out that the USA is not the super power some think it is and that the USA is, like any other country, dependent on trade with others.
It's not up to me to defend the Yankee position in this one, that traderelations are by nature reciprosal relationships.
It was only a matter of time untill someone would show up boasting that "... using the effects of liberalized and global free trade as an insultagainst the country that was the framer and architecht of that system.".
Please explain for starters what you mean by: "the country that was the framer and architecht of that system".
My friend if you dont know how the E.U. came into being then a comment on the internet isn't going to fill the gaps for you.
You could start with the Marshall Plan. Then how the ESCC (E.U precursor and foundational body) formed. Of course theres GATT, the foundational trade treaty that ran for decades and ledc to the WTO. Cant leave out NATO and its role demiliterizing inter european rivalry. Plus dozens of other smaller treaties, agreements, trade deals, joint projects (F-35, James Webb).
The U.S. is still a superpower and will remain so for a long time. Its no longer a hyper power, a position it held for 30 years.
You've fallen victim to propaganda.
No reasonably educated person ever believed the U.S. has stood singularly and could do whatever it wanted. The strength of the U.S. has always been its alliances and trade, which it built. Thats why this current moment is so bad, the source of U.S. strength is being diminished either intentionally or through sheer stupidity from within. My money is on intentional.
So, you're gonna explain "the country that was the framer and architect of liberized and free trade" with... the post ww II Marchal plan ???
Great, lol.
Yeah europe can be boring and not loud enough but hey at least I won't be bankrupted if I get sick... And I love the USA. Just not the USA that we're seeing now...
I won't laugh but there'll be some form of karmic justice when eventually all those perks go away because of the lagging European economy. It won't come immediately but over time.
This alarm has been raised for the last few years but Europeans don't listen.
So it will be a Europe with similar benefits but lower salaries.
You realize you have worse government debt than us , and that you only function thanks to the petro dollar ..? I mean, yeah sure, thats why all your tech CEO are retiring here and putting their kids in Europe they must fear the horrible ordeal that will come to us. I really hope for you that Trump won't succeed in ending the petro dollar, by just his sheer stupidity
Not to mention vastly higher median wealth per person (UBS Wealth Report) in major European economies. The Americans can't even get money right, their only "thing".
Well I could pull out any kind of statistics (car deaths, obesity etc), not that it matters. AC deaths is aided by Americans btw, who are happy to keep burning fossil fuels to keep profits running for billionaires. And elderly people mostly suffer from it. School shootings is totally different, sadly.
So people defending themselves against the destruction of their country is the same to you ?
We all know Americans hate people that want to live free. We saw what you done in the middle east .
The US had 57 times more school shootings than the rest of the G7 countries combined. The US has 8.68 school shootings per million people. Sweden has 0.26. Spain has 0.13. England has 0.26. Germany 0.19. Those are straight facts.
"ICE only killed 2 innocent civilians so it's all sunshine and roses"
ICE has the largest budget out of any departement in US history. Why? Also, a lot of people have simply gone missing after being taken away by these thugs. they likely killed many many more.
Yeah famously you put more of your citizen behind bar than most countries on earth even dictatorship. Worst than Russia or Afghanistan lol. Only country that does worse is El Salvador but you re also sending ppl there lol
I know youre probably just goofing around, but thr US is behind 33 European nations. Countries like Romania and Czechia, Poland and Croatia are higher up in terms of freedoms than the US according to Freedom House.
Ok with murder? You call shooting at schools is freedom? Getting abducted by unidentified government officials, freedom? Explain exactly what you consider freedom compared to Europe. Please.
Hells yeah, US citizens enjoy the freedom to wear swastikas and Seig Heil and the freedom fire our workers without notice and cause and a flag on the friggin moon.
Whereas alls the Europoor have got is the right to healthcare, a right to safe medication, a right to compensation, the right to repair hardware, right to paid parental leave and the right to paid annual leave, the right to be forgotten and the right to own their data.
which one of those millionaires will you go to when you need an ambulance you cant afford? will your billionaire-inflated gdo save your kids from being gunned down at school?
the fact that the usa is home to the most mega corps is a symptom of its biggest issue, not something to be proud of. generational dustrust in ghe authority of the government has led to it being unable to act against large corporations making living conditions worse for common people and eventually, it led to the government being populated by people who are interested in furthering the power of megacorps and making money off of it.
Yeah but you also have a combined Russian and North Korean army knocking on your back door and over dependence on the American military industrial complex left you with with a big hole in defense you’ve got to scramble to fill.
We’ll see how this plays out over the next decade or so but as things stand I’m quite content being in the states lol
Lol. Why own more homes if it is in exchange of spending way more of your life working ? Why would a number on a paycheck be meaningful if you die sooner or live a stressful life because you know that one problem and you could lose it all , no safety net .. most western Europeans from middle to upper middle class dont see money and material stuff as being that important. You d be surprised. Here in France its even seen as low class and cringe to talk about money / show that you value money and stuff more than time, hobbies or culture
Oh my god shut up. Yes we have it better than Americans do, and many of them don't know this, but we don't need to begin every last comment section by smugly insulting them as if the average American person is at fault for their systemic issues. Plenty of them on this site are well aware of this, so maybe lead with some compassion rather than disdain.
Hmm yeah but who designed the algorithm and those rage bait silos ? It looks like american real tv mixed with american wrestling pepered with american conspiracy/conservative talk radio... Murdoch, Duguin have their part to play. But I blame those who designed it and are profitering
Litteraly clowning someone for not being as dumb as you. Its the level some of the US public has reached... "look at him with with his arguments and facts about a topic. Urk"
Freaking international test scores have Americans and Europeans pretty much even. And in some cases Americans surpass some European countries while getting surpassed by others.
And lets not forget rising right-wing movements in Europe and supporters that spew the same crap. Americans and Europeans have the same proportions of idiots.
Hmm yeah I mean ... Idk if you realize how Meloni and Le Pen , even if I hate their politics , are sooo much more eloquent and tasteful and reasonable and honest than Trump... With Vance, Trump etc... Ben Shapiro , Beck , Candace Owens : i am sorry to tell you but we dont really have this level of brash stupidity in Europe. For example , conservatives like Le Pen father , wete always into classical littérature, into hating pop culture and sub culture and TV/media... and into fighting physically for your ideas (he went to fight Algerian and Vietnam colonial wars even if he was a member of parliament). Same thing for religious value : right wing Catholics here know death penalty , war , money are not compatible with Christianity
This whole post truth, spectacle, idiocracy is really something both USA and Russia are to blame for , IMO
Sorry bout that, and I am willing to admit we have horrible populists too
Oh yeah, the massive drop from 0.00004 homicide rate to 0.00002; that really convinced me Europe is a utopia. When you say double you act like it's a significant increase. The vast majority of Americans have never and will never see a brutal attack let alone a homicide.
Also endlessly talking shit on America while your country has mounting problems is rich. Do your rich overlords like to distract you with our politics meanwhile they steal from the coffers?
Europe is quickly becoming irrelevant, just like it was for most of history. The importance is shifting back to the part of the world that was always contributing to society: India and China. The engineers from the old world are holding up modern tech. Europe is so young and new, you must be mistaken about the level of importance of modern Europe.
You re just wrong on the stats and realities at least of western Europe. Depending on the state you can have up to 4 time the homicide rate . And I am not talking about simple shootings.
All of that while still having the death penalty and putting more of your citizen in prison than Irak or Russia lol. And now you re adding flock surveillance...
As for the rest, its cool if youre happy living in these conditions. I spent 2 years in the US , and I am pretty close with politics here in France, and I just think you're in a worst position as far as quality of life and insurance towards the future shocks (the retirement system etc..)
Also its kind of funny you said Europe was irrelevant for most of history... do you realize that we discovered your continent and that you literally come frome Europe? And that all your culture comes from Europe? I mean language, law, names, town names ...
Holy cow! Four times! My God, all the way from 0.00001 up to 0.00004!?
All the rest of your random insults apply to almost every country in Europe, too. So I guess by your standard we're as good as Europe? Heck we're better than most of Europe in education. Also, anyone can tell you that our healthcare is far more comparable to europes than you'd think given the endless propaganda.
France is a funny country to mention. You know that of Europe, France is the country with by far the biggest problem with terrorist organizations? To the point that close ties with France get you observed by the FBI? What a terrible country to compare us to.
Anyways, there's plenty of metrics by which the USA is better than Europe. Many where it's average for Europe. And a few where it's worse by an incredibly tiny amount (like 0.00002 which you consider a large number). I like Europe, but I don't like elitists like you. Focus on your own problems; they are many 🤣
Capitalists will often complain that Europe has no huge companies like the US does. But when you look closer, it's because companies in the Europe can't exploit their workers. No sudden lay-offs, no unpaid overtime and other wage theft practices. This makes companies less scalable, but untamed scaling just leads to bubbles.
Tesla is supposedly worth more than Toyota, except it has only released 5 cars in nearly 20 years, one of which was an enormous flop.
Do not let market capitalization fool you. Revenue wise Tesla is <100 BN USD. Less than a third than VW or Toyota.
And tech wise I do not see them ahead of anyone anymore. Basically all US shares are inflated and larger parts of the market are not driven by real numbers
Except the tax rate is often a lot higher to cover this social system, resulting in a lack of innovation. As a result, Europe is becoming increasingly more dependent on countries like the US and China while everything is slowly going to shit. But at least we have less plastic caps on the street.
Do you think it's any better in Europe? Have you not seen the protests/riots in France, Spain, Belgium? I'm not saying it's perfect in the US but Europe is becoming a mess.
I never said that you said that, hence my question.
Regarding the middle class, the average salary is a lot higher than in Europe. Taking the social system into account I would say pretty similar as in Europe, maybe slightly higher. Do you know how many people move from Europe to the US and vice versa? Why do you think that is?
Because higher salary is not a good metric about the condition of life ??
Better social system / less debt / free education / we die older / we eat healtier because of better food control.
Also i dont how you think the metric of immigration is good to quantify the quality of life.
Quality of life can explain why people leave but there is also a lot of other factor
Btw i can answer for you : more than half of american people are overheight so in bad health condition / the american citizen are in permanence in debt and the quality of life for the middle class is worse every years and im not talking about the poor with probably the worse social system in occident
So yeah im really Happy to win less money than the american citizen
Because im in good health, i go at college without paying hundred of thousand, i will probably die older and if im broke i got a lot of help.
Obviously the system is not perfect and if people riot in France its precisly because we dont want the same social and education system that America got
I never said it was a good metric? I literally asked you why you think that is (so for this specific case). My point was that a lot of people move to the US because of the much higher salary. Yes we have better health care, because we already pay for it in our taxes an don't have a proper army in return. Yes we have free education, but the best unis are all in the US. Yes, the minimum QoL here is (a lot) higher but so is the "maximum" (a lot) lower. I think the right balance is somewhere between the US and Europe's system.
Since Trump and the war in Ukraine it became painfully clear how much we need the US and not so much the other way around. The protests in France are not just about education, but also housing, energy prices, jobs, immigration...
You also have lower salaries (especially in tech/healthcare/law), less innovation, a much lower ceiling for career growth, and don't assimilate immigrants as well as America.
But money and quality of life are connected. I can buy whatever I like since I have more disposable income. I'm very ambitious and feel like america has rewarded me well. I'm an immigrant from Asia btw. I'd likely feel restricted in Europe. You also ignored my other points.
Equating disposable income with only buying products is a very European way to mischaracterize ambition. In the real world, money buys options, security, and peace of mind. I can travel and retire early too. If you’re happy with a capped salary and a lower ceiling, more power to you. Just don't pretend lower purchasing power is a moral virtue.
You told “I can buy whatever I like”. In Europe you have much more peace of mind and security. It’s much more likely to be bankrupt in US rather than Europe. You have much more social support. You can travel, you have your pension not linked to how the stocks perform, you can be sick without risky of being bankrupted either because you cannot afford treatment or because you don’t have paid sick leaves. My health is not linked to how much I make. But if you are happy with it go for it, I’m totally fine
You're looking at it glass half empty. Sure there is more risk of bankruptcy. But on the flip side, you can build serious wealth here. Much faster too. A lot of people I know have done it. I have lots of hopes and dreams and I'm slowly achieving them. But hey if you want to play it safe, good for you. The European model isn't for me.
And what point is that? It's different for everyone. And like I said, it's not just about accumulating money but achieving a lot of dreams. And helping the people I love. But hey, if you're happy with the European way, more power to you.
If you have not been to the EU yet, their news is very US focused. It’s a bizarre cultural phenomenon that would be in their best interest to get rid of.
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We have longer life expectancy in Europe, half your homicide rate , and less personal debt. We also have way more paid holidays and leaves. So I ll end up seeing my familly and loved ones 2x more than you will , too busy to work for your billionaires overlord (who themselves have miserable lives).