r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Lmao gottem Valid point

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u/Levyathan666 1d ago

America is a European invention

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u/caj_account 1d ago

and the EU is an american invention lol

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u/Aromatic_School_7448 1d ago

Je crois.pas moi Shuman et Monnet sont les initiateur..

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u/caj_account 1d ago

you may not think so but after WW2 the USA decided that France would be administrative and South Germany would be European production capital. Then the coal and steel oligarchs with the help of USA founded the ECSC. The US controlled european finance until the end of Brent Woods and afterwards Europe has never been able to manage its own money because that was never the goal. The goal was single market yet there's no fiscal union.

Relevant quote from wiki article:

The United States was not officially part of the treaty negotiations, but it was a major force behind the scenes

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u/Aromatic_School_7448 1d ago

N’importe quoi le projet de la CECA est une idee de Robert Shuman, avec ou sans l’accord des usa ça aurait existe..

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u/caj_account 1d ago

without america nobody (even europe) can do anything.

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u/SerHodorTheThrall 1d ago

This was true 50 years ago. At this point, thanks to lead addled GenXers like Musk and Thiel + a Boomer generation that doesn't want to retire America can't do anything.

We can't win wars. We can't lead global diplomacy. We can't respond to a pandemic. We can't ensure people have healthcare. We can't responsibly innovate technology.

I guess we can send rockets to orbit moon, something we did 50 years ago? Yay! (But not land of course!)

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u/caj_account 1d ago

America still has financial power. Not saying it can innovate but Europe is in way worse shape as they don’t have any tech sector or innovation capital. Just 50 years of austerity that wasn’t enough somehow. 

When dedolarization occurs the us will still have oil like saudi and Russia. It already acts like these two countries in many ways. 

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u/Aromatic_School_7448 1d ago

Tu reves tout haut , l’union européenne avec ou sans les usa aurait existe , pense a De Gaulle qui a dit aux américains de partir de France et ils ont exécuté en fermant leurs gueules

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u/caj_account 1d ago

France wanted to completely destroy German industry so it can never rebuild. You guys have no clue. You forgot the Marshall plan so quickly. Credit to Europeans: you’re great at killing and ruining each other. 

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u/Aromatic_School_7448 1d ago

Avec ou sans le plan Marshall l’union européenne aurait existé .