r/TopCharacterTropes • • Sep 15 '26

Lore [very common Trope] A universally supposed Good thing turns out to be a Bad thing

1. The Hero defeating the Villain (Gameoverse): You'd think that after the defeat of the very evil Big Bad means the day is saved, right? Well, no. Because the day is about to end, along with your entire world, your friends and family, all because the hero did what they thought was the right thing.

2. Believing into Getting adopted to a new loving "Family" (The Promised Neverland): Hey, Sweetie. What's that? You think you're going to live with a new caring and family? WRONG. You're actually the next new meal to bunch of demons. Hope you're doing well in the next life.

3. The 'Great Beyond' (Sausage Party): same premise as the Promised Neverland. The food all think they going to a wonderful place called 'The Great Beyond', being treated as Nirvana and sees us as their Gods. Well... You all know what we do with food, right?

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u/Junk4U999 Sep 15 '26

The Island.

People believe they are living in a bunker after a nuclear apocalypse because the entire surface is contaminated, except for the titular Island. There is a lottery every so often where people can win a ticket to go live on The Island.

In reality, every one in the facility is a clone being farmed for organs. The “winners” are actually being harvested so their “real” self can have an organ transplant with an exact replica of their own organ.

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u/Mysterious-Macaron80 Sep 15 '26

The only thing i remember about this movie was the trailer with one of the characters saying "THERE IS NO ISLAND", in a trailer for a movie called "the island"

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u/Canvaverbalist Sep 16 '26

I mean to be fair the vast majority of the movie is Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johanson on the run trying to survive after learning the truth and escaping the cloning facility, so it's not like an end of the movie kinda twist.

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u/Spacial_Epithet Sep 16 '26

Yeah but the first act is pretty long

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u/FantaColonic Sep 16 '26

Just like the trailer for the Happening!

Mark Walberg "Nothing is happening?!"

In theaters this summer..

[THE HAPPENNING]

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u/Bamzooki1 Sep 16 '26

Samuel Hayden: “You can’t just blow a hole in the surface of Mars!”

New Objective: Blow a hole in the surface of Mars

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u/hpBard Sep 16 '26

THERE IS NO ISLAND, THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY AND TGERE IS NO QUEEN OF ENGLAND
"queen of England meets tooth fairy on the island" (1864)

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u/Eden_ITA Sep 16 '26

A question: why are the clones aware? Is not better put all of them in coma so they could harvest everything with less risks and resources?

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u/BoxesAndBoxesOfIMPS Sep 16 '26

I love this movie. They tried that at first, but the organs only develop properly in conscious clones. 

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u/monkeysky Sep 16 '26

Not just conscious, but kept in good physical condition with exercise and diet

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u/Remote-Monk-8542 Sep 16 '26

This is the same rationale used in Promised Neverland as well. The farm the characters are from is modeled after an orphanage where they are given loving upbringings and kept in good health, because it makes for better product (particularly the brains, which are considered a delicacy and healthy childhoods mean better developed brains)

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u/DearestDio22 Sep 16 '26

Which makes sense, people in comas aren’t typically in peak physical condition

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u/Eden_ITA Sep 16 '26

It makes sense.

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u/Satyrofthegreen Sep 16 '26

Even better that even the people paying for the organs don't know the clones are alive. They use a fake model to sell the organs.

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u/FinnDoyle Sep 16 '26

Damn, I would be horrified if my organs were harvested from living, unwilling people.

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u/Flight_Harbinger Sep 16 '26

There is a fantastic scene that always stuck with me, when they manage to track down the real Ewan Mcgregor (a rich asshole) and they explain what they just escaped from, and he fiegns being shocked and appalled by the entire thing and tells them he's going to call and get some help to take the whole thing down. So he walks away, calls Sean Bean who runs the whole cloning facility and says "Why is my insurance policy sitting on my couch right now?".

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u/Klusterphuck67 Sep 16 '26

Probably similar to how in comatosed patients the body is in a long state of weakened and minimum output. There's probably a gazillion biological pathways that keep the body healthy only when the mind is conscious

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u/ItzPayDay123 Sep 16 '26

This is what a book with a similar premise (House of the Scorpion) does

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u/Blint_Briglio Sep 16 '26

they explain in the movie that their organs would fail if they were left vegetative

they do not ever once explain how they are somehow keeping the entire operation secret from federal regulators despite employing thousands of people who are explicitly aware that they're manufacturing sentient humans

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u/TheSweetestKill Sep 16 '26

Honestly that seems the easiest part to explain, good old fashioned bribery and corruption. What's that, Senator? You're going to expose our operation and shut us down? Well before you do that, let me tell you about our exclusive Diamond Membership package, at no charge to you of course...

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u/jbwarner86 Sep 15 '26

I liked this movie better when it was called Parts: The Clonus Horror. Specifically when it had Mike, Servo, and Crow at the bottom of it 😁

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u/pinkfreud2112 Sep 16 '26

They make a lot of bad things better.

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u/HDAtomica Sep 15 '26

An absolutely brutal death (when considering it's from SAW, that's a pretty sizeable bar to clear), and 100% just the writers going "Aha! How will Hoffman get out of THIS conundrum next movie!

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u/Giff901 Sep 16 '26

That and the scene after this where he goes Michael Myers on like 6 FBI agents lol

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u/Demara_Awol Sep 16 '26

If you know Jigsaw, which idk if Peter did or not I forget the details of this movie but if you actually know what he's like, then you know you 100% die if you don't get in. If you DO get in, you have a chance of living.

Jigsaw is contradictory in a few ways but one of his consistent features is "Do what you're told to" if he says climb over the barbed wire or die, you will die if you don't do it. "Get into the coffin" is mandatory, if you don't do it you will die.

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u/SorryComplaint4209 Sep 16 '26

The issue in this case is that the current Jigsaw is Hoffman, rather than John, and he and Amanda are known to make inescapable traps

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u/Demara_Awol Sep 16 '26

My understanding was relatively few people knew those traps were inescapable. And even if you knew most of the traps during that era weren't survivable (not all of them were death sentences even during their time) you'd still have a 100% chance of death if you don't get in, and a small chance at life if you do.

So the decisions outcome is the same. You will absolutely die if you don't get in, you MAY die if you do. The choice is easy.

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u/Spiritual-Ad5166 Sep 16 '26

In all fairness, you try to get in a sealable glass coffin

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u/Trickelodean2 Sep 16 '26

Hoffman only rigged his first trap (before he was an apprentice). Amanda did rig a couple, but Hoffman never rigged a trap once he became a Jigsaw apprentice. He blackmailed Amanda during her trap in 3, but I wouldn’t really say he rigged anything

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u/SorryComplaint4209 Sep 16 '26

Not sure if they count as traps, but the water cube on Strahm and the reverse bear trap on Jill weren't meant to have solutions as far as I know.

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u/TroutShovelr Sep 16 '26

Hoffman just straight up became a slasher villain in Saw 3D

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u/bladeDivac Sep 16 '26

The Hoffinator

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u/Bonked2death Sep 15 '26

Was literally a jaw dropping scene for me. Loved it

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u/artyboi11 Sep 16 '26

I’d say that the Fatal Five also kinda fall into this trope. People often call them stupid for not working together, but everything prior to the final room was intentionally made to LOOK LIKE they’re supposed to kill each other. The emphasis on there being four chambers instead of five and only three keys, a tub that very clearly looks like a body is supposed to go there, phrases like “who will be the odd man out” and “who will bridge the gap.” Not to mention the five of them already knew about Jigsaw before, so they knew they were SUPPOSED to follow the tapes, so they did what they THOUGHT was the right thing to do.

Sorry I am a certified saw V dickrider and will yap about it at any opportunity

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u/neophenx Sep 15 '26

In a Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode, one of the stories revolves around a monkey's paw that grants Lisa's wish for world peace. Unfortunately, world peace leaves the planet unprepared to deal with an alien invasion.

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u/Asheyguru Sep 15 '26

"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"

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u/_oranjuice Sep 15 '26

The reason aliens leave us alone is because of how far we will go to kill eachother over our differences

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u/Advanced_Yam7075 Sep 16 '26

"He's got a board with a nail in it!"

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u/Loose-Step3115 Sep 15 '26

Monsters, Inc.

The act of scaring children to harness their scream energy isn't questioned until Sulley sees firsthand how he, and by extension other monsters, look in the eyes of the children they've been scaring for so long after he scares Boo by accident.

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u/Trezzie Sep 16 '26

That's just farming from the animal's perspective.

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u/NixMaritimus Sep 16 '26

I'm honestly shocked PETA hasn't made that movie yet

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u/TheFalconOfAltair Sep 16 '26

At least there’s multiple Flash games about it.

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u/BarackIguana Sep 16 '26

They're too busy putting down dogs in their 'shelters'.

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u/TheFalconOfAltair Sep 16 '26

I love how the movie tells us there is a scream crises at the beginning.

Sully and Mike walking to work, they are finally gonna hit their Quota after a month, too many doors being removed.

The Scream Machine was the last thing Waternoose gonna use to save the Company, and even after Sully was banished, he regrets his decision.

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u/invaderaleks Sep 16 '26

"I'll kidnap 1000 children before I let this company die!!" Most accurate depiction of a ceo

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u/Sai_AI__ Sep 16 '26

I love the starting of a paragraph about sausage party with "same premise as the Promised Neverland"

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u/DarkArcanian Sep 16 '26

I can’t argue with the description

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u/Karlbungus Sep 16 '26

The End of the Whole Mess by Stephen King.

The main characters little is a child genius and discovers that a small town in Texas never has any violent crimes. The source is a chemical in the towns water supply, which causes calmness to angry people and animals. He manages to reduce the chemical into a concentrated form. On the verge of a nuclear war, the brother puts the chemical in an erupting super volcano that blows the ash all over the world. This works and causes global aggression to stop.

Unfortunately the eagerness to stop war made him forget to do more research and the chemical they sprayed all over the world causes a condition similar to dementia and Alzheimer's resulting in the eventual death of humanity as everyone can no longer care for themselves.

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u/SilveredArrows Sep 16 '26

I havent read this by King yet but this is kind of interesting because he mentions the Texas town in IT where it is categorized as the opposite of Derry

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u/VahnNoaGala Sep 16 '26

If people aren't aware, this was made into a short film as well starring Ron Livingston

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u/StriderKitsu Sep 15 '26

Final Destination

You survived a huge disaster and prevented the others that you saw in your vision from suffering the same fate, everything’s good and dandy right?

WRONG! You were supposed to die that day, but since you cheated Death and ruined its design, Death will haunt you for eternity until you are killed.

https://giphy.com/gifs/vhSVz7EgNytt6

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u/temperamentalfish Sep 16 '26

What bothers me is that in every single movie they try to "understand" death's modus operandi and every time death seems to be working with a different list system. Sometimes it's the order they would have died, sometimes it's the reverse, sometimes death skips a person if it can't kill them (only ever temporarily), sometimes it doesn't move on with the list until it kills whoever's next.

There's a really good Youtube video by Jeffiot where he goes through every FD movie (except Bloodlines, as that hadn't come out yet) trying to pin down death's method and it's always inconsistent. I guess the lesson is that death is a bit sadistic and enjoys pretending it's following some logic.

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u/Makuta_Servaela Sep 16 '26

I think the point is that death doesn't like it if you fuck with it, so it will switch up the rules to keep you from fucking with it. Like in Bloodlines, a guy who wasn't even in the line-up got killed as a punishment for getting involved.

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u/SpaceLizard212 Sep 16 '26

Bloodlines was my first FD, and I didn't like Death. It felt like it was supposed to be a force of nature trying to balance the scales. Punishing certain people for being the catalyst of deviations is fair enough (not really but it's the closest to being fair). What I didn't get was why Death was so cruel to the kids, or people caught in the crossfire of the catalysts saving them. They didn't do anything to upset the balance, it's not their fault they were born. They should have been given decently painless or quick deaths IMO.

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u/Makuta_Servaela Sep 16 '26

Bloodlines definitely didn't invent "death is a petty prick", because it is pretty petty in the other ones as well. Also, iirc, Death also doesn't seem to have a concept of pain or the speed of the death. Nothing makes a person suffer more or die slower than someone else. It wants you to die, it wants the specific cause of death to be foreshadowable, and it wants creativity, and those are the main points it cares about.

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u/SkylarRosalindVT Sep 16 '26

yeah like as the series continues you can tell Death is actively getting pissed off, especially when you compare 3's kills (i consider them kills because Death goes out of its way to rube goldberg the survivors) to 2's, and both 2 and 3's to 1, it's obvious that in-universe Death is a petty little shit throwing a tantrum because its grand plan got messed up by people understandably stopping themselves and others dying in brutal accidents multiple times. like even when you consider how Alex dies off screen (death by falling brick) or how much more extreme shit gets as the films progress through their run time you can just feel the pettiness

as much as i hate how unfair the FD films are on the protags, they're incredibly good films and i love how they subvert the usual "Death is just doing his/her/its job" to make it the pettiest mf i've ever seen in a horror/thriller film

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u/Eden_ITA Sep 16 '26

That, with a cold mind, isn't what the Death always do?

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u/stx06 Sep 16 '26

It's the difference between "I could not stop for Death, so Death kindly stopped for me," and Death taking personal affront at you dodging your expiration date.

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u/EldritchCarver Sep 16 '26

Except, you know the vision the main character had that allowed him to cheat Death? It turns out Death was the one responsible for the vision. Death wanted them to survive the initial disaster so they could be hunted for sport.

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u/Eeddeen42 Sep 16 '26

Yeah but it’s usually not actively breathing down your neck about it

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u/Then_Consequence_675 Sep 16 '26

And Death will be as petty and dramatic as they can be to take you out

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u/Stock_Enthusiasm_392 Sep 16 '26

Wasn't there an adopted kid who got himself killed because he tried to save his to-be-culled brother and die in a horrifying way while is culled brother died instantly?

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u/HereInTheMeantime Sep 16 '26

Yup! Latest movie, adopted kids death was sick asl

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u/not-Kunt-Tulgar Sep 16 '26

I always thought this was such a lame and boring premise because it makes death look like a really petty bitch and the concept that “you have to die lol” loses interest (for me at least) after the first time.

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u/Dukefile Sep 16 '26

Dont help that is implied that the premonitions are given by death itself

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u/idropepics Sep 16 '26

Billionaires now would be fighting Hunger Games style for that chest

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u/omegafrogger Sep 16 '26

The third ending of Silksong sees you rejecting the traditional route of absorbing grandmother silks power ascending to godhood, instead trapping her in the void infecting all her threads with void and causing the literal apocalypse turning a bad situation worse The result of this catapults you into Act 3

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

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u/SnooDoggos9469 Sep 15 '26

Did they do any test at all before launching it?

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u/SnooDoggos9469 Sep 15 '26

I mean, if they did the tests and they didn’t see any side effects, I guess they can be semi-forgiven

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u/pichael289 Sep 16 '26

This isn't a side effect though, it's a risk built into how your curing it, the virus. A Percocet will always be a Percocet, we know all about Tylenol and oxycodone and all of its side effects. It won't ever just one day mutate like a virus can. Anytime we use any kind of viral methods to cure diseases (and we do) it's always a possibility. The chances of mutations are already pretty small (well, massive with the generational time of a virus) and the chance of a single mutation having any noticeable effect is astronomical. But it is and will always be there unless we can come up with self correcting mutation free processes.

That last part is something we did for computers. There's the famous Mario speed runner and then another noteable case in England where cosmic rays struck tland switched a bit from a 0 to a 1 and warped Mario upwards, and in the election it added more votes than were possible and the number was exactly what that one bit would have added. So we have error correcting code now so that doesn't happen in sensitive situations.

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u/neet_dog Sep 16 '26

just gotta say its been proven that the mario 64 tick tock clock glitch was just a faulty cartridge connection causing a tilt glitch.

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u/regretfulposts Sep 16 '26

And as a double whammy, the MC is trying to cure the infected group throughout the movie including abducting them and applying some type of cure. He thought that he's doing good to the world which I guess was in the theatrical cut. But in the original cut and original short story, the vampire mutants are more or less paleolithic humans and are developing a new culture. The homo sapians are basically extinct, but humanity will continue to live on within these mutants and they began telling stories. The title "I am Legend" doesn't mean the MC is a legendary hero, but is actually the boogieman that the parents used to scare kids because of the amount of suffering the MC had done them.

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u/Endika7 Sep 15 '26

From Elden Ring Miquella's age of compassion.

Miquella's goal is to get rid of wars, discriminación and peoples suffering by forcing everyone to be incapable of being cruel or violent. Tho his intentions are genuine his child like mind doesn't left him understand how ironically cruel It is that.

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u/Due-Violinist2132 Sep 15 '26

Miquella and the age of consent

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u/Stock_Enthusiasm_392 Sep 15 '26

This genderfluid femboy somehow absolved Mohg of his allegations...

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u/Due-Violinist2132 Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

When he was a child he molested adult

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u/Yourstruly0 Sep 16 '26

he Mohgelested the adult

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u/captainshitpostMcgee Sep 16 '26

Mohg cleared the diddler allegations, impressive.

He still did form a blood cult based around murdering women tho so.... yknow. Hes still not batting a thousand

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u/Niko2065 Sep 16 '26

By lands between standarts, that's not even that outragous.

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u/TantamountDisregard Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

"Miquella the Kind...is a monster. Pure and radiant, he shrives clean the hearts of men"

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u/unholyrevenger72 Sep 16 '26

That isn't the irony in the story. The irony is that Miquella had to give up his humanity and empathy to achieve godhood and in turn would become cruel and violent in his deification and pursuit of his goal.

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u/Bithium Sep 15 '26

I struggle with this one because I don’t think Miquella is completely wrong. We’ve seen what Miquella’s spell looks like; People still have free will, a lot less of it, but for certain people, like Leda, that’s probably a good thing.

I think if I could talk to him in the end, I wouldn’t have a good argument to convince him to abandon his vision. There really isn’t anything great happening in the Lands Between going on where I could say, “look at this, do you really want to take this away by stripping away people’s feee will.” Everything is basically ruins. I guess that’s why our only option for rebuttal is to slay him and hope we’re right.

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u/sanguinesvirus Sep 16 '26

Miquella is a genuinely compassionate character who is forever cursed with youth, physically and where ith gets interesting, action wise. I think part of his curse is that none of his plans can ever come to fruition. Thats why the Haligtree never got even close to rivaling the erdtree and ultimately why we kill him before he can obtain divinity. 

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u/ORBITALOCCULATION Sep 16 '26

Miquella's "compassion" consists of eliminating all conflict by compelling everyone to fall in love with and obey him.

His willing disposal of corporeal self, as well as his emotions and St. Trina, is what doomed him to become a monster.

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u/123Ros Sep 16 '26

Very good analysis, but I have to “erm actually” and say that we do actually kill him after he becomes a god. His circlet’s description says that he “returned in divine aspect”. Still, we stop him the moment before his plan for an age of compassion comes to pass. Maybe we got him at the very last possible moment before he really broke free of his curse? Anyway, he, like his mother Marika, are greatly written characters

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u/JellyfishBoring885 Sep 16 '26

Miquella wouldve been better off if he didn't strip himself of his love (St. Trina) to reach godhood. You can't really bring an age of peace without love.

Btw you DON'T get free will. You are under his spell and control, thats why you lose when be Charms you. Leda herself is a bit crazy and chose to follow miquella even after being free compared to others who hesitate and have second thoughts about it

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u/Wamblingshark Sep 16 '26

In FFXIV Shadowbringers you are transported to a world where heroes fought the darkness. They fought a similar fight to you and won at every turn until eventually there was so little darkness that the opposite element was so abundant that it caused a flood of light. With some help from another world the heroes sacrificed themselves to stop it just short of consuming the world.

What is left is not doing well. In this universe Light is the element of stasis and an infusion of light does really bad stuff to your body and soul. So you got lightborn monsters tormenting the remaining populous and 100 years later the heroes are remembered as traitorous villains that heralded the end of the world. Pretty much everyone is just waiting to die.

Also there is no more night. The sky is just blinding light 24/7. Darkness becomes something to be cherished and even worshipped. As such you go from being the Warrior of Light in your world to The Warrior of Darkness in theirs because bringing back the darkness is rather heroic in this case.

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u/Icepick823 Sep 16 '26

Also for 14, defeating Zodiark caused an even bigger problem, or rather revealed a bigger problem

Also again for 14, stopping the Rejoining seems to be leading to an even bigger problem.

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u/DuelaDent52 Sep 16 '26

To be fair, wasn’t the flood of light the bad guy’s plan? The Warriors of Light in this world were being manipulated, whereas your fight isn’t about dominance of the light because darkness is already reigning supreme in your world.

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u/ThatMerri Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

D&D Lore - Mind Flayers joining the Elder Brain

Mind Flayers - an alien species of psionic squid folk who eat people's brains and transform people into more Mind Flayers - are all psychically linked to a local hive mind. The source of which is the Elder Brain: a giant collective entity that leads each faction of Mind Flayers surrounding and supporting it.

As part of the Mind Flayer's natural life cycle, they will eventually join the Elder Brain and be absorbed - both physically and mentally - into it, living forever in unity with its greater mind in a higher state of being that also further empowers Mind Flayers as a whole. This is an event the Elder Brain welcomes with a loving sense of endearment and duty, and the Mind Flayers see it not just as a good thing, but The Best Possible Thing worthy of celebration and jealousy. Joining the Elder Brain is such a dedicated part of their life cycle that, should a Mind Flayer be killed outside the colony, others will take lengths to retrieve and preserve its remains just so it can be brought back and joined with the Elder Brain.

Buuuuuuuuut what's actually happening is that the Elder Brain is just feeding on Mind Flayers outright and constantly brainwashing them into thinking joining it is a blissful unified afterlife scenario. Joining the Elder Brain isn't even part of their natural life cycle but rather a curated social behavior the Elder Brains propagate to keep themselves fed. In truth, their individual identities are deleted and they just become psionic fuel for the Elder Brain's survival. The Elder Brain will also happily devour Mind Flayer tadpoles - essentially, their babies - on a casual daily basis. Should the Elder Brain ever be in a genuinely deadly situation, it'll just bail out of its physical form into the Astral Plane to escape to safety, leaving behind its entire community of Mind Flayers who are lost and suddenly untethered from the anchor they've relied on their whole lives and dreamed of joining with in death.

It also turns out that the practice of Mind Flayers turning people into more Mind Flayers (thus keeping the Elder Brain fed with a steady supply of brainwashed prey) isn't part of the Mind Flayer's natural life cycle either. Rather, it is an aberrant mutation process that needs to be artificially curated and is not part of their natural ecology. If allowed to grow naturally and uninterrupted by an Elder Brain's influence, a Mind Flayer tadpole will develop into a completely different kind of creature - basically a kaiju called a Neothilid - that actively preys on Mind Flayers and Elder Brains alike.

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u/Reasonable-Mischief Sep 16 '26

It is so on-brand for Mind Flayers to all be brainwashed and deceived themselves

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u/Metalicks Sep 16 '26

Kinda sounds like 40K orks with them all being part of self sustaining ecosystem.

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u/DeusFatum Sep 16 '26

So what exactly do the tadpoles turn into? A kaiju mindflayer?

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u/ThatMerri Sep 16 '26

They turn into a gigantic worm-like monster called a Neothilid. Quite the glow-up from its initial tadpole phase and its pre-growth spurt Illithocyte phase where it's about the size of a dog, but you can certainly see the biological similarities.

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u/captoreo Sep 16 '26

The paintress from Expedition 33.

Your party spends the first 2/3rd of the game trying to reach her only to find out she was holding back the true danger of the main characters world. Shortly after defeating her, her husband's power erases nealy everyone

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u/NiiliumNyx Sep 16 '26

Maelle looking around at everyone gommaging around her

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Sep 16 '26

Honestly I was thinking about that game earlier. Other than the pacing of Act 3 where so much story is optional, it has an absolutely legendary run from when you go where the final boss is and storm the "dungeon" to head there. Incredible and 15 out of 10 for hype, could not put the controller down until those credits rolled and then the "holy shits" happened.

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u/ItsLinkTheGamer Sep 16 '26

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - The oppressive Lordgenome keeps all of humanity living underground. Turns out he was doing so to prevent humanity's population from reaching 1 million on the planet's surface, which would trigger the Anti-spiral's Human Extermination System to wipe out all of mankind.

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u/Iamfabulous1735285 Sep 15 '26

Social Media (Real Life)

Was thought to bring people closer together but made people more bitter.

https://giphy.com/gifs/o5Ch84967Su1YHYxIb

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u/LiamtheV Sep 15 '26

and now all the worst people you know can connect with their peers, and work together to somehow become even worse people.

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u/FwippyBall Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

And harass your friends and loved ones into killing themselves! Multiple times! I fucking love social media!

EDIT: y'all fucking know I meant multiple friends killed themselves, fuck you.

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u/No_Prize9794 Sep 15 '26

Let’s not forget how it can also make certain crimes all the more easier, like pedophiles finding their next victims

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u/Neveronlyadream Sep 16 '26

And stalking. And recon.

Theft too if your target is gullible.

Really, just so many crimes.

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u/SupremeCaIamitas Sep 16 '26

I'm so fucking sorry to hear that. I hope they're in a better place now, and you'll find peace one day. 🫂

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u/DeadWombats Sep 15 '26

I put a lot of blame specifically on the monetization of social media. Engagement-driven social media favor outrage and drama.

I'm not saying that social media would be all sunshine and rainbows otherwise. But money certainly made everything shittier.

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u/MelanieAntiqua Sep 16 '26

Yep. That’s capitalism for you. In order for something to keep existing in a capitalist society, it needs to turn a profit. And, to turn a profit, it needs to either charge money directly (which most social media platforms don’t do) or keep you latched to it so companies will pay to put their ads there so you’ll see them. And nothing keeps people focused on something more than rage.

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u/I_Happen_to_Be_Here Sep 15 '26

If I see another meta ad talking about how "they would have you believe AI will push us farther apart" I'm gonna combust because IT LITERALLY DOES DIPSHITS, cope harder Fuckerburg.

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u/floppy_disk_5 Sep 16 '26

well, it did bring people closer together, but that ended up being exactly the problem because some people turned out to be quite horrible

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u/Yadin__ Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

Fate\stay night: The holy grail and in general the holy grail wars

Spoilers for one of the twists of the series.

The holy grail war is a ritual where 7 mages(masters) summon 7 legendary figures from the past/myth or even the future(servants) to fight in a battle royal over the titular "holy grail"- an omnipotent wish granting device. The last servant\master pair standing gets to use the grail for whatever wishes they may have

Now forget everything I just said because all of that was only the half-truths that gets sold to people to get them to participate. First, the grail isn't omnipotent. It's very powerful, but it can't preform miracles; it can only grant wishes that the bearer knows how to grant. In other words, it has to be provided with a method. Second, to grant certain wishes it turns out that all 7 servants have to die, meaning that if the last master standing wants to ask for a particular wish then they would have to sacrifice their own servant, meaning that the servants are effectively scammed into fighting without even necessarily getting their wish granted at the end of it. Third, due to one of the participants of the third war trying to cheat, it ended up cursing the grail and turning it evil and making it twist every wish in a monkey's-paw kinda way into the most evil version of the wish possible(the picture above is how the grail actually looks)

So in summary: The masters don't get their wish, the servants don't get their wish, and even if they do get their wish it's the most evil version of it possible. The grail war is a scam.

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u/Agisek Sep 16 '26

This is really the best example. The moment when everything is being explained to the winner in Fate/Zero was absolutely heartbreaking.

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u/BruhTheSinner Sep 16 '26

Pretty much everything in Elden Ring, but specifically the immortality. No one can die, but everyone is a literal husk incapable of anything other than base aggression

https://giphy.com/gifs/7TNg7uZ1FDk8iFIyMr

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u/user_without_a_soul Sep 15 '26

The Good Place - final season spoilers: While meant to be a reward for being or becoming a good person, spending eternity in the good place where everything you want is readily available and extreme pleasure can be felt constantly eventually numbs people to the point where they become apathetic brain dead zombies.

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u/Satyrofthegreen Sep 16 '26

I was just thinking of this. If I remember correctly, it's because the people who ran the Good Place aren't human, and can't understand why humans aren't content with eternal pleasure and happiness. It eventually leads them to trying more and more outrageous ways to stimulate and make humans happy until they give up and toss the job onto Michael

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u/Yumi_in_the_sun Sep 16 '26

This is also kind of a major plot point in FFXIV: Endwalker. You visit "Dead Ends" which is a conglomerate of the memories of extinct races created by The Endsinger, the expansion's final big bad. Their stories vary but one race got rid of everything that didn't bring joy, but in doing so they forgot trials and subsequently even joy itself. The Endsinger says what they gained from ease, they lost to apathy. They eventually created a god that would kill them all because they were immortal and wanted to die.

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u/Dazzling-Ad7482 Sep 16 '26

I always thought Bioshock 2 had an interesting take on this. That when taken to it's extreme absolute altruism and selflessness is just as completely monstrous as Ryan's ideology of greed and selfishness. When everyone's life is equally worthless for the greater cause and that to take away selfishness would take away being human.

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u/memecrusader_ Sep 16 '26

Dr. Lamb says that she loves everyone equally. It sounds nice, but the amount of love is zero.

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u/funkthewhales Sep 16 '26

I feel like bioshock 2’s story is pretty underrated. I love the way that it explores the the extreme inverse of Ryan’s philosophy. Lamb is all about the collective as opposed to Ryan’s individualism. But at the end they’re basically the same. They’re both despots who end up contradicting their own beliefs to maintain power.

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u/StrangeCress3325 Sep 15 '26

How did that potato keep all its eyes when getting peeled?

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u/RT-LAMP Sep 16 '26

Eyes are what people call the areas on a potato that can potentially sprout into new stems. Hence they gave the potato lots of eyes.

But eyes extend a little bit into the potato and generally tend to form in a small concavity in the potato so when you peel a potato you will usually leave behind the eye often with a small ring of skin around it.

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u/Arria_Galtheos Sep 15 '26

This one's a bit of in-universe meta, but the worship of Vlaakith.

All of the githyanki loyal to Vlaakith believe that she forces them all to challenge their limits and to excel at all costs, ruling above all other races, so that they can eventually be "ascended" into supremely powerful beings.

What she's actually doing is weeding out the weak so she can create the strongest in body and soul, which she then kills so she can absorb their souls and become stronger in an attempt to attain godhood. Being "ascended" means being killed and having your soul consumed by an arch lich.

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u/CtrlAltSysRq Sep 16 '26

This is the same archlich you can mouth off to in BG3. It goes as well as you would expect.

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u/Spiritual-Estate5211 Sep 16 '26

"YOU WISH TO SEE GODHOOD?! I WISH YOU TO BE DEAD!!!"

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u/Gizogin Sep 16 '26

“I wish you to END.”

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u/Arria_Galtheos Sep 16 '26

Which, ironically, proves that she's not actually a deity. A deity wouldn't need to use a Wish spell to kill a mortal. They can just will a mortal to die.

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u/Legitimate_Expert712 Sep 16 '26

Well, yes and no. There are rules to divine intervention. Ao, the overgod, doesn’t just let divine beings go around doing whatever they want (anymore). So, Vlakith just wishing you dead DOES prove she’s not a real god, but mostly because real gods would have to be a lot more roundabout with killing you.

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u/Smart-Response9881 Sep 15 '26

Immortality?

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u/KCDeVoe Sep 16 '26

Never ask for immortality, ask to control time and space and your aging within it. Like being 29? Stick with it for a few years. Feel like your friends/family are aging away from you? Start the timer back up. Want to just skip ahead a few years? see who shot Kennedy? tomorrow’s lotto number? take a trip to Andromeda? Done and done

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u/ThaddeusJP Sep 16 '26

True immortality would be an absolute nightmare because you're going to experience the heat death of the universe. But odds are your brain will be mushed by that point and you won't even know who or what you are having sat in a void of nothingness for multiple epochs of time

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u/Junk4U999 Sep 15 '26

“Brother, may I have some oats?”

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u/Internal_Review7040 Sep 15 '26

I am starving, brother

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u/Particular-Long-3849 Sep 15 '26

As am I, brother. The tall skinny figure has thrown the oats at me. ME, BROTHER. i believe they have taken a liking to me.

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u/Erhol Sep 16 '26

No brother, I have seen this before. I have observed many things. From the roaring beasts that the tall skinny figures crawl inside of to travel far beyond the horizon, to how the figure weeped when the other had fallen into a deep sleep. And from my experiences I have learned that they will give extra oats to one of us before taking them into the shed of no return.. They will do terrible things in that shed, brother.

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u/IAmAlucard Sep 15 '26

As am I, brother. The tall skinny figure has thrown the oats at me. ME, BROTHER. I believe they have taken a liking to me.

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u/Fit_Foundation1712 Sep 16 '26

The Philosopher's Stone (Fullmetal Alchemist)

Advertised across centuries as the ultimate, law-defying artifact that can bypass equivalent exchange and heal any injury. The horrific truth? It's powered by screaming, condensed human souls harvested through mass genocide.

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Sep 16 '26

That's the thing; it has the power to deliver on all the wishes people would have because it has the energy to bypass typical transmutation laws.

It just does them with the energy of human souls. So it doesn't bypass the Law of Equivalent Exchange, it is just a price to balance the equation that nobody of good conscience would ever want to do it.

FWIW when Ed is in front of the Gate, gets hit with the knowledge beam, he says human transmutation is possible but they are missing something to it. Lo and behold...

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u/mojomcm Sep 16 '26

In Madoka Magica, Kyubi grants wishes and makes magical girls. Turns out doing so dooms them to turn into witches, twisted creatures of destruction and despair.

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u/DoLittleToNothing Sep 16 '26

Personal 3, SEES thought defeating all of the monthly great Shadows would make the damage they cause stop. Instead, it just made the final one wake up and nearly cause the end of the world if it wasn’t for the main character sacrificing him/herself to seal it away again.

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u/Code-Neo Sep 16 '26

In Bloodborne, the healing Church founded by Laurence, the First Vicar, gave out Old Blood (blood of ancient alien gods) as a cure for everyone's problems. Have back pain, old blood. Have a rash, old blood. Just can't find passion for anything anymore, old blood. It worked for a while until people started going crazy then people started turning into monsters.

Master Willem told Laurence to fear the old blood and disaster happened. Laurence literally lost his head over it and turned into a lava Cleric Beast. 

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u/megalo-maniac538 Sep 15 '26

In Honkai Star Rail. The world of Amphoreus revolved around the completion of the Era Nova. Where the deliverer must gather all the coreflames from various titans. This was just a mask created by Lygus so that when it's completed, Irontomb rises and destroys Nous and the universe.

Khaslana (Phainon) and Cyrene prevented this by looping the journey into cycles so that Phainon can go through it, collect the coreflames, and repeat. It went on for 33,350,336 cycles when the Trailblazer showed up.

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u/GrundleSnactcher46 Sep 16 '26

Delicious in Dungeon. Spoilers if you havent read the manga, which is completed. The lion the group is sent to find is actually a demon trapped by the master of the dungeon

Only manga Ive actually stayed interested in long enough finish.

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u/Disastrous_Yellow_46 Sep 15 '26

The Halos - Halo.

Not quite a 'universal' good thing, but the entire Covenant believed that finding and lighting the rings would set them on a Great Journey... and kill the galaxy.

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u/SecretJester921 Sep 15 '26

God Sausage Party made me so uncomfortable. Hated watching it.

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u/MG788 Sep 16 '26

Yeah, Sausage Party was weirdly scary to me. I watched at least part of it high and that just made it worse. It was scarier than some horror movies. 

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u/berael Sep 16 '26

Mistborn. 

The heroes win, and that makes everything worse. 

They try to fix it, and succeed, which makes everything worse again. 

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u/UnsealedMTG Sep 16 '26

And specifically doing the thing that they are primed to think of as good and self-sacrificing makes things bad, and if the main character had acted "selfishly" things would probably have been better.

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u/CatTaxAuditor Sep 16 '26

And even the third time they fix it, we get Harmony, a god so at odds with himself he can't really do anything in a world where the gods will absolutely make big moves against each other.

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u/SuperKami-Nappa Sep 15 '26

Not sure if this counts but YHWH (Shin Megami Tensei)

The literal biblical god but you can bet that if he gets involved it will be as the final boss.

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u/Ancient-Chart-9089 Sep 15 '26

Turkey Paradise (Free Birds)

all the turkeys but Reggie (pictured) believe the farmer takes them to Turkey Paradise, where in reality they get taken to the slaughter (none of them learn this though but Reggie)

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u/monkeysky Sep 16 '26

Wait... is that the movie where they go back in time to the first Thanksgiving to take turkey off the menu?

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u/lkmk Sep 16 '26

Kirby’s Adventure is another example involving stopping the villain’s plan. Dedede broke up the Star Rod, robbing the people of Dream Land of their dreams, to protect everyone from Nightmare. By returning the repaired Rod to the Fountain of Dreams, Kirby lets Nightmare become a threat again.

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u/Rod_The_Blade_Star Sep 16 '26

In Avengers Endgame the heroes do everything they can to reverse Thanos' snap. They succeed but by bringing back all those missing people they allow for the celestial sleeping in the planet to have enough energy to awaken. So instead of half of humanity being gone due to Thanos all of humanity will die with Tiamut emerges from earth

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u/Venti_the_snail Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

The Sun: S.D.Lockes proposal

The sun. The light giver. The life giver. Its hard to imagine a planet with life if it didn't have a burning ball of gas and plasma nearby to give it all the energy it needs to grow life from the smallest of cells to the biggest civilization.

One day, like the flip of a switch, it goes bad. In an instant, a majority of humanity is melted away into amalgams that only wish to pull more victims into the sunlight to be with them, just like them, together forever. No one dies. Its not torture. Its totality.

The SCP foundation gets sent into overdrive with trying to save the human race and all life on the planet in general. While they're at a major disadvantage, witg any sunlight (including light reflecting off the moon at night) being a death sentence, they have the edge with extremely advanced anomalous technology and underground bunkers all over the world.

They die in the light so you may live in the dark. So be happy you lived to see another night.

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u/HollowValentyne Sep 16 '26

Subversion of the trope Sol is actually saving the population from certain death from another, jealous star that hates us. The form she gives is the only way to survive the roasting of the planet that's coming. This doesn't make it less existentialist horrifying, but it does have to widen your scope of what "bad" entails. Is being one with everyone worse than being extinct? Is there a functional difference? Can what's left be considered the totality of Earth's biology or merely a horrifying lump of flesh with no real thoughts or emotions? Personally, I find any sort of afterlife or immortality that involves bliss existentialist horrifying, but it's definitely a personal choice.

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u/DystopicLasagna Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

When Gorr finally meets his God after losing literally everything and everyone, he learns the devastating truth- that his life and the lives of his loved ones were worthless, and that there is no eternal reward for worshipping the Gods, just death. That his God he sacrificed everything to worship considers him little more than a stray dog.

So he does the logical thing and bonds with a symbiotic ancient weapon of living darkness, and begins slaughtering every God across every pantheon.

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u/LizzieMiles Sep 16 '26

Question: why do the worlds end if the hero wins in Gameoverse? I don’t know if i’ll have time to watch the show, but I am curious about the premise

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u/CoachdeProcrastinac1 Sep 16 '26

I haven't seen it neither, but I think they are kinda taking a literal interpretation on what happens when you finish the game or make a new save. Seems rlly cool tho, I wanna watch it!

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u/macho_boy-420 Sep 16 '26

It's still the first episode. We'll get answers in the full series.

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u/CurlyFries8808 Sep 16 '26

The blender from octo expansion. Maaaaaan this is a cool twist

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u/TheColdestMorning Sep 16 '26

Cancer…and soon the rest of the world…is no more! (One Chance)

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u/arika-feinberg Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

One of my favorite moments in Slay the Princess is a transition from Adversary to Fury if you refuse to fight. It may seem that refusal to engage in violence should be a good deed but Fury chapter itself clearly shows you understood smth incorrectly

Moreover there would be Voice of the Cold with you who is usually summoned after slaying any Princess. And Hero would try to explain this noble pov of Adversary chapter, he will say:

I thought we were breaking the cycle of violence. I thought we were practicing pacifism in a face of mortal peril. I thought we were being brave. Heroic, even

And Cold replies:

Oh, you're funny. There is no such thing as heroism if you can never truly die

Described poor Hero into non-existence basically

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u/arika-feinberg Sep 16 '26

Frankly, this anti-violence quest can be continued in Fury cus with Cold you will survive Fury's torture and then when she sits down tired and empty you can tell her that you didn't want to engage in violence and there is so much more there, outside of the cabin, to which she'll say that violence is all she's ever known and then you can help her

I like this route as a concept, as a metaphor for relationship but honestly I don't think it's worth dragging the Princess through this suffering just to prove a point. The Adversary has another third chapter where the kind of same result can be achieved with much less pain

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u/Comstoque Sep 16 '26

This transition between chapters is very interesting. Cold always shines when his analysis puts things into perspective, without worrying about others opinions or beliefs

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u/arika-feinberg Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

Cold is kind of an antithesis to the rest of the Voices because they all have some kind of impression of mortality, of an "ending". And they all cling to it one way or another even if mc is getting reborn. They fear pain, confusion, loss of their spark. Cold on the other hand doesn't have this "spark" initially - he doesn't have any specific desires and he doesn't have this mortal way of thinking about stuff so he kinda always looks "beyond" whatever it is that awaits mc

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u/Facosa99 Sep 16 '26

Argent energy is a virtually infinite source of energy that humanity exploits by tapping into a dimension full of said energy

Turn outs, argent energy is sourced from hell and it originates from the suffering of countless souls through multiple ages and dimensions, and when humanity loses control of it, hell is figuratively and literally unleashed

https://giphy.com/gifs/QphlAoV3h1xpZI95eU

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u/LaurZaur Sep 16 '26

Early retirement, The Outer Worlds

Its been a hot minute since I played the game, so I’m a little fuzzy on the details but (spoiler warning) The early retirement district is a lottery advertised as a chance to live as the richest of Byzantium do; parties, luxury, never having to work, etc. In actuality, you are sent down a long elevator and immediately gunned down by robots. The belongings you brought with you are also probably sold.

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u/TomboyKnight1 Sep 16 '26

The age of fire- Dark souls series.

Seems like a valiant struggle against the age of dark at first, but it's later revealed that the age of fire being extended unnaturally caused the world to fall apart at the seams, eventually leading to a slow and miserable end

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u/Randy-Magnum02 Sep 15 '26

The Wizard of Oz?

That guy was not helpful

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u/Junk4U999 Sep 15 '26

Well, he was helpful, just not quite as advertised.

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u/Randy-Magnum02 Sep 15 '26

Was he? He sent them on a dangerous mission and then rewarded them with meaningless trophies

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u/MsterSteel Sep 15 '26

I like how Gamoverse is basically just ReBoot.

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u/Jent01Ket02 Sep 15 '26

The Island (2005)

The movie largely takes place inside a facility whose inhabitants are told that they've escaped a global cataclysm. Despite the best efforts, most of the world is uninhabitable save for one place : The Island. Supposedly, the only available landmass safe from devastation. There's limited resources and transports, and the island only has so much space, so people are chosen by a random lottery to go.

In actuality, everyone there is a clone, grown with the express purpose of being euthanized for organ transplants for wealthy customers. Once the main characters start unravelling everything and the people behind the facility realize the latest batch of clones are defective, they announce that everyone gets to go to the island, which the audience now understands to mean that they're all getting exterminated to cover tracks and redo the whole thing.

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u/RileyKohaku Sep 15 '26

Memorial the WEBTOON I highly recommend going into it blind, but here are spoilers if you must that progressively reveal more twists.

Protagonist discovers an evil corporation is killing people in a way that makes everyone forget they existed and lying about what they do the entire time. Naturally the protagonist works hard to expose the evil corporation and stop their heinous actions.

After he succeeds he discovers, actually the evil corporation was sacrificing everyone in order to save their world.

Specifically, they are all in a computer and deleting the people and their memories was a way to save hard drive space so that the computer wouldn’t run out of energy. Now that the protagonist destroyed the delete function, the whole computer will crash in about a month and everyone will essentially die.

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u/mOdQuArK Sep 16 '26

Old classic: Logan's Run (the Carrousel/"Renewal" party)

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u/whoareyouiameternal Sep 16 '26

the premise of the book Gideon the Ninth is that the necromancers of all the emperor's Houses and their cavaliers (basically like a ceremonial bodyguard/counterpart) will go to the abandoned once-seat of the emperor's power and attempt to attain sainthood-- to join the ranks of Lyctors, the kindly emperor's own gestures and hands. Lyctors have enhanced, seemingly unending necromantic powers while typical necromancers get tired and sick easily. they're also super immortal. the original Lyctors from the emperor's resurrection have dwindled in the centuries since, and his saints have pleaded with him to renew their ranks.

unfortunately, eventually the gathered chosen from all the different houses realize the secret to become a lyctor... you have to murder your cavalier and absorb their soul. in the lore, violent or sudden death releases a burst of energy, and if it is absorbed it basically acts as a neverending generator of necromantic energy. cavaliers and necromancers have extremely close relationships: sometimes familial, sometimes they are married or in love, almost always codependent and full of a deep sense of duty and loyalty. the cavaliers.... mostly go willingly, that's how metal they are.

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u/kindanon Sep 16 '26

Spoilers for the Wheel of Time series.Defeating the Dark One

The entire series builds up to the "Last Battle", a grand conflict with the literal force of all evil.

Turns out its existence is actually essential to human free will, and sealing it will basically lobotomize the entire world.

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u/arika-feinberg Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

Tenpenny Tower quest in Fallout 3 where there is a conflict between ghouls and residents of the Tower. Tower is run by anti-ghoul bigots who refuse to let Ghouls into residency. And there are three options: kill the ghouls, kill the residents or try to set peace between them and let them all live together in the Tower. The last option seems morally correct... but eventually ghouls kill all the residents including the ones that weren't against ghouls in the first place

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u/Devlee12 Sep 15 '26

That quest pissed me off so much the first time I played Fallout 3. I played as a morally good character and I wanted to resolve as many problems without violence as I could. I put in a ton of work trying to facilitate a peace between the tower residents and the ghouls and I may have been a naive 12 year old but I believed the best in everyone involved.

Imagine how angry I was when I returned several days later from adventuring elsewhere in the Capital Wasteland and found half the people I’d worked to bring together had been murdered. By the same people whose inclusion I had advocated for no less.

Fuck you Tenpenny Tower. Fuck you Bethesda. You both killed a little of my innocence. 10/10 game.

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u/Sassy_Drow Sep 15 '26

Planet Of The Apes: The thing that made monkeys intelligent and killed most of humanity was originally believed to be something that could cure issues with brain and enhance mental faculties.

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u/F1Fan43 Sep 15 '26

The hero killing the wannabe dictatorial god villain (Legend of Vox Machina).

Unfortunately, she accidentally completes the Whispered One’s ritual by killing him and so assures his ascent to godhood rather than preventing it.

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