r/USPS • u/Trippy4Mollz • Jan 15 '23
Work Discussion Cop pulled me over in mail truckš¤.
I was going over the speed limit in the mail truck doing my usual Amazon Sunday and the cops decided to pull me over.Now Iām not sure what the rules are on that but I figured I would post here and see if anyone else has experienced this as I have never been pulled over in the 4 years Iāve been with the post office.He gave me a warning and told me to slow down and I said I would.But is this a common thing and what is everyone elseās opinions or insights on this?
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u/newmanst6 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Did the cop know which window to knock on to talk to you?
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Lol no he actually went to the wrong window, which was pretty hilarious. I tried to just keep a straight face as I didnāt wanna irritate him any further. But it was entertaining watching him walk to the wrong door lol.š
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Jan 15 '23
I would be laughing so hard. I cannot respect authority to save my life especially when theyāre acting stupid like that
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u/jotyma5 Jan 15 '23
I love when customers try to go to that window and then they expect me to roll it down from my side. I just sit there and wait for them to figure it out
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u/Desperate-Elephant24 Jan 15 '23
Iāve never actually been able to get our trucks over the speed limit unless you were in a 30 mph zone lol
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u/LurkingGuy City Carrier Jan 15 '23
I got an LLV to 55 on a highway and remembered why I don't take LLVs on the highway. I thought it was gonna rattle to pieces.
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u/ChrisWolfling Jan 15 '23
I got one to 65 on the interstate, by pushing the pedal down to the floor. The wind blew both side mirrors back into the truck. Had to get out and readjust them...
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u/icecubepal Jan 16 '23
A light fell off when I got it an LLV to go that fast. I told the supervisor when I got back and he said it's alright.
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u/tingtong500 Jan 15 '23
The rattling is just it telling you itās going to go faster soon as it loses a few pounds here and there
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u/dannyisyoda Jan 15 '23
The guy that did my LLV training once had to take one on the highway to bring to another station (they needed one with 2 seats for training). He said that he was able to get it to about 60, and even at that, it was shaking like crazy. After a few minutes, he felt something fall down from the ceiling of the truck, he looks down to see what hit him, it was a rivet that holds the ceiling up. Suddenly the rivets start raining down, and the whole ceiling collapses down on him. He ended up driving the rest of the way with one hand on the steering wheel, the other holding the ceiling up š¤£
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u/Pretend-Amphibian664 Jan 15 '23
We have these Mercedes mini vans. Actually being able to go 80 on the highway is the best.
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u/LurkingGuy City Carrier Jan 15 '23
The metris is pretty quick but it sucks for delivery. I'll take an LLV over the metris any day.
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u/JeeringHorse Jan 15 '23
FFVs go so fast
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u/SwitchResponsible715 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Only 2 good things about the FFV's.... engine and heater. Everything else SUCKS
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u/unluckyfourleafme The Mail Maiden Jan 15 '23
Iāve gotten one up to 70mph on a county road going downhill. :3
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u/Extreme_One_755 City Carrier Jan 16 '23
I've driven on highways a few times at 65mph. A thirty minute drive will burn through your fuel like it's nothing.
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u/WorktheMoo City Carrier Jan 15 '23
They'll leave you alone for partially blocking a street for a min to hop packages, for being in a handicap spot for the same thing/drop off business mail, or being double parked to deliver an apartment complex as long as you're not obstructing traffic.
But speeding, they will still enforce. No reason to speed and if something happens and it's revealed to be because of your speed, PO going to try to wash their hands of responsiblity.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Totally understandable today was just one of those days where I was extra heavy footed.But yea totally I get it and I know heās got a job to do as well no matter who or what entity I work for.
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u/getterboi Jan 15 '23
Also your scanner will track your speed so management will have evidence against you. Just take your time, it takes what it takes and we're paid by the hour.
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Jan 15 '23
By mail truck do you mean the new Mercedes van or an LLV? Cuz Iām genuinely impressed if you made an LLV do a speed that warranted a cop saying āfuck it I guess Iāll stop the mail guy.ā
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u/MailmanDan517 Jan 15 '23
My academy instructor (idk what theyāre called now, back in my day the first gen CCAs had to do orientation then academy then OTJ) told us heād gotten ticketed doing 55 in a 35, in an LLV, on the way back to his office because he was trying to make 8. To his credit, the point of the story was āalways take your time and donāt let mgmt intimidate youā
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u/freeagent2120 Jan 15 '23
I bet the cop didnt know you were postal until he had you pulled over. The LLV and FFV are totally unique to us. The ProMasters and Mercedes can easily be mistaken for civilian vehicles. Either way. Follow traffic laws. Dont be in a hurry. You get paid by the hundreth (.01h) of an hour not by how fast you go. Get in an accident all that time you save them will result in free time for you sitting at home waiting for the result of the grievance pertaining to your removal.
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u/Tangboy50000 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Thereās going to be arguments both ways on this. You are supposed to follow local laws as mandated by the postmaster. Now technically the police do not have the authority to pull you over while youāre delivering mail, because they are obstructing or retarding the delivery of mail as outlined in 18 USC 1701, and there are zero exceptions in this law. Is anyone going to back you up, nope. I know Cleveland had a problem with carriers constantly being caught on red light cameras and the USPS basically told them to fuck off, because weāre immune from TORT.
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u/Uninformed_Delivery City Carrier Jan 15 '23
We just got red light cameras in our area, and we've had several standups that amounted to "you will pay those tickets YOURSELVES."
Which sounded realistic at the time, but the more you think about it...it'll probably end up going like how you describe.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Yeah, I kind of figured that something was weird about that. Like yes I was speeding but like I said, Iāve never been pulled over before so itās good to know that thatās not something that happens all the time. That cop had to have been new or something because thatās just way out of character. And I guess Iāll just have to walk away with the warning and let that be that. I donāt think heās going to report it any higher up but of course that still makes me think that itās a possibility.
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u/Stationary-Event City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Did the cop ask for proof of insurance and vehicle registration? š One year, somebody hit my LLV while I was on break. Luckily, a cop was driving by. I waved him down. He asked for the vehicle registration. When I tried to explain to him that the LLV number is the registration number, he still didn't get it. Rookie. He even left me a voicemail later on, saying he really needed the registration number.
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u/americanjeepjew Jan 15 '23
There's supposed to be a paperwork packet in the truck that explains that crap. Of course, it was put in there when the LLV was new so it's probably in Latin
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u/Past-Investigator917 Jan 15 '23
The answer is yes they can pull you over for speeding and yes they can ticket you. If you decide to inform management, they can issue discipline for failing to follow safety rules and regulations.
If this scenario ever happens to you, best thing to do is be polite to the officer, take your ticket, pay it, and keep it as a personal matter.
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u/Voyager989 Forever Flexible Jan 15 '23
We had an RCA get a ticket.
While they won't normally pull you over, you are responsible for any fines you get.
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u/leximom708 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
I myself have never been pulled over, but a clerk driving the Mercedes to one of our other offices was pulled over for not having a plate on the vehicleā¦. He did not understand that postal vehicles do not have a plate š¤£
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u/Mr_frumpish City Carrier Jan 15 '23
You still have to follow the law.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Well no kiddingā¦it wasnāt like I did it on purpose just got a little extra lead footed.More than usual š
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u/bigslim87 Rural Carrier Jan 15 '23
I was pulled over one time because he wanted to ask me if other people were delivering in povs in my area around Christmas time. I'm rural so I let him know that we deliver in povs. I was worried though wondering what I did wrong before he walked up to me.
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u/Minute_Map_6444 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
I got pulled over in an LLV on a Sunday before I got my uniform because the cop thought I stole a mail truck
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u/Stationary-Event City Carrier Jan 15 '23
š A customer on my route also called the police when Sunday Amazon first started. She saw a CCA driving in an LLV, no uniform, on a Sunday and thought somebody stole the mail truck.
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u/nalgene_wilder Jan 15 '23
"Someone stole a mail truck and now they're driving around leaving boxes on people's porches!"
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u/bigslim87 Rural Carrier Jan 15 '23
Lol. Good thing that cop doesn't patrol a rural area.
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u/tingtong500 Jan 15 '23
Cop would need 4 wheel drive and some serious tires and power to drive around my route when itās wet
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u/marry_me_sarah_palin City Carrier - Hates your mail slot Jan 15 '23
Before I got my uniform I got sent out with one of those crappy minivans, and its alarm system was messed up and kept going off all day when I opened the door. I got so many dirty looks that day.
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u/FutureHendrixBetter Jan 15 '23
I got called the popo on for driving on my pov when I was in the rural side, they pulled me over and held me up for a long time even though before they found me they seen me delivering to a house but I guess it doesnāt matter when youāre dwb, they were angry at me screamed at me and what not, another week later another one pulls me over again. Thatās when I decided Iām not doing this anymore before I really get angry and go off on them.
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u/kdriff Jan 15 '23
Food drive day the Supervisor would drive around and unload donations from our LLVās while we were on our park and loop. I could see the cop cars pull up from a block away. Someone called 911 for the supposed postal theft. Had to show his ID. He assumed it was because he is black. We still laugh about it.
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u/moustachexchloe Jan 15 '23
I got a parking ticket after management supplied me with an unmarked minivan and I parked in a no parking zone, that was only for a certain time during a specific day for street cleaning, for one swing without even thinking about it. Management said I had to pay it but the union president fought it and I got reimbursed because it was managements fault for giving me a rental van with no usps marking even though all the other rentals had usps magnets. But the union president was explaining how it was an unprecedented situation at first so he had to do some digging, because heās only ever had people get speeding tickets in postal vehicles, which the carrier is responsible for, because the carrier is the one who decided to speed, not management.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Oh wow thatās shitty Iām sorry to hear that š³
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u/moustachexchloe Jan 16 '23
Meh. It was only a $30 ticket, and again I got reimbursed. I was a fresh CCA and didnāt know much. But I am, according to my union president, really good at having unprecedented issues š¤·š»āāļø
In all honesty though, Iāve learned a lot in the last 2.5 years, and would be totally screwed if it wasnāt for the union. I try to help CCAs and newly converted regulars as much as possible based on my experiences if I overhear anyone talking about any issues, because the last thing I want is for people to go through some of the stuff Iāve gone through, without becoming a steward, because that is definitely something I would not be good at.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Yea definitely a plus knowing what your rights are and of course helping others is always a good thing no matter where you are in life.The post office needs good caring people to protect those who canāt.
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u/lickalotapusasourus Jan 16 '23
That's nothing, I got pulled over because I didn't have a license plate.. I told the cop "I'm just assuming you're new" he then proceeded to get all butthurt and started threatening me so I told him " I'm pretty sure executive branch federal employee trump's local law enforcement".. he said for me to wait right there and went back to his patrol car for a couple of minutes (presumably to call for backup), walked back and handed me back my driver's license, apologized and told me to have a nice day
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u/Ready-Interview-9809 Jan 15 '23
They told us in CCA class 22ā that we donāt give cops any info. Just call your supervisor. š¤
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u/Koivel City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Unless its an accident like a crash or speeding though. We're not supposed to give any mail, customer, neighborhood, company info, etc.
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u/rentedlife Jan 15 '23
I was always surprised the Tetris (what I call them) doesnāt have cruise control but the staff car (ford focus) does.
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Jan 15 '23
why are yāall all forgetting that sometimes people just drive a little faster than usual sometimes (and Iām not talking about people speeding 24 seven. Iām talking about people just accidentally going over the speed limit a bit once every so often). Yāall cannot act like you have not ever accidentally drove a little too fast
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u/Koivel City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Or like at my station where everyone in the entire state and stations (even cops) go 10 over the limit. Its actually less safe to go the limit around these people.
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Jan 15 '23
agree- you kind of have to adapt to how everyone else is driving. also everyone makes the mistake of pushing on the pedal a little too hard sometimes itās too easy to make that mistake. iām not sure why everyoneās giving this dude such a hard time
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u/Western-Slide8575 Jan 15 '23
Because they're perfect little angels that love to preach 24/7 about how the job should be done
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Itās cool man I just accept some people arenāt always going to be so agreeable.My theoryā¦shit happens lol.Iām letting it all roll off the shoulders.šš½ššš½
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Everyone and I mean everyone at some point and time has had a bit of a lead foot whether they meant to or not.It does happenā¦we are human and error is inevitable.I am a very safe driver but I have definitely a few times not been aware of my speed especially when Iām knee deep in mail and packages and being pushed for a deadline.
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u/solarflare418 Jan 15 '23
Used to be a CCA- I once got an LLV to 68 in a 65 on the highway, and I felt 20% like a badass, and 80% like I was gonna die any secondā¦ (Sup was demanding I be back from another office 13 miles away in 10 minutes to āmake the truckā. I know, fuck him, but CCA lifeā¦)
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Yea I used to be a CCAā¦switched to RCA and itās much better.Still the same politics but not as much bullshit from sups.
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u/idontwannagetfired_ Jan 15 '23
Got pulled over in rental van during Christmas season, his demeanor totally changed once he realized I was with the PO. Told me to slow down and let me go, didnāt even take my information. 100% got out of a ticket because of that.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Damn luckier than meā¦I got a written warning that Iām pretty sure went on my record š
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u/jotyma5 Jan 15 '23
He must have been having a shitty day. Thereās an asshole statey on my route. He pulled his front bumper up to mine one day on his road. Itās a muddy hill with a steep incline. Even in good conditions you have to hit the gas to get up. Speed isnāt posted on the road but the guy tells me to slow down. Iād just forget it
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Apparently according to him I was the second mail truck within a few minutes going over the speed limitā¦I was just the lucky bastard that got pulled over š
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u/icecubepal Jan 15 '23
Carriers have told me how they have parked or pulled over in areas you aren't supposed to park or pull over in and the police don't do anything. It seems for the most part they leave us alone.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Thatās what Iām saying I have definitely parked in places where I shouldnāt have and cops will drive right past and nothing.Same thing with slight speed increaseā¦nothingā¦until today.My supervisor told me that they have no jurisdiction and they would just have to call them and likely nothing would be done but a conversation unless they called postal police which would then really suck because of the whole safety thing.
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u/MiamiMan33111 Jan 16 '23
MiamiMan33111's Cop Guide:
(based on the fact Cops have no idea about the law during a traffic stop and frankly don't care)
- Do what the Cop says they are like your PM or Supervisor in the moment, follow orders and grieve later.
- If the Cop is hot tell them you are a fed and can help them get into the FBI/ATF/CIA over dinner and drinks.
- Profit.
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u/Boring-Presence433 Jan 16 '23
Got pulled over one time because the cop had seen someone had broken into a blue collection box and handed me all the mail from it in a plastic bag
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Omg lol yea they love targeting people who work for the post office over things like that.I have had people call on me for being in plain clothes.I just tell them Iām a rural carrier and we donāt have to wear uniforms.š
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u/Apprehensive_Goal811 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
If they pull you over, give them name, craft, and EIN. Nothing more.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
I gave him my drivers license and he gave me a warning basically. I hope that didnāt go on my personal record, but I think it did. Iām guessing this guy had to have been new as Iāve never been pulled over before.
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u/Apprehensive_Goal811 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Which personal record?
If he didnāt give you a ticket and if management wasnāt there, it didnāt happen.
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u/Uninformed_Delivery City Carrier Jan 15 '23
The personal record from high school.
Gum chewing, tardies, smoking in the boys room...it all adds up.
Enough of those and OP can say bye bye to Harvard.
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u/TalonHawk_74 Jan 15 '23
It could have went on his/her record in that jurisdiction. I was a LEO years back and our written warnings were logged. I could check on my laptop a person's license # to see if/when they'd had warnings issued. This allowed us to see if people were fixing equipment issues and/or know if they were habitually breaking minor laws.
All that said, I've never heard of any of my friends stopping a mail truck, and by the posters own admission they were flying. My advice, slow tf down. It's nice to have a short day, but not worth the liability if you crash or get a ticket.
Government immunity likely wouldn't protect you, because you still have to drive with "due regard" and PO isn't going to back you because our policy and training clearly states we must follow all traffic laws. Those claiming the illegal stop thing are really stretching it and I'd say good luck with that.
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u/syntheticmeats Jan 15 '23
Rules? Cops tend to leave us alone but we have to follow the same road laws as everyone else. There is no rule that they canāt stop us
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u/SheepDogCO City Carrier Jan 15 '23
I ran a red light in front of a police officer once, intentionally. The light was malfunctioning and the cars were sitting for about eight minutes. I decided to move into the lane that should go straight, stop, and when it was safe to do so I turned left. He pulled me over and knew the light was malfunctioning. He told me I should have called 911 to report the light. I didnāt argue with him and he let me go in my way without a ticket.
Iāll park in fire lanes if there isnāt a reasonable alternative. Iāll double park if I have to. I do not speed nor do I park in handicap spots. I stop at all stop signs. I stop at all stop lights, and only run them if theyāre very clearly not working.
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u/BigDaddyDNR Jan 15 '23
Did they ask for liscense and registration.?
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
I only had my DL lolā¦how dumb would he have looked asking me for registration š
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u/AllchChcar Rural Carrier Jan 15 '23
We had a rash of RCAs getting pulled over for speeding trying to beat Evaluation. The RCAs are all gone so the problem solved itself.
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Jan 15 '23
Omg I didnāt think the police ever bothered mail carriers at all for traffic issues
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
I knowww I was shocked š³ even after 4 years Iāve never encountered that.Thatās why I think heās a new copper.
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u/ILdave74 Jan 15 '23
wait your spedometer works?
I say this because we have those little signs that show the speed and they hardly ever match, and also when its cold out on a couple LLV's it was not remotely close to actual speed.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
It was the newer metrisā¦I just wasnāt paying attention to my speed.Honestly wasnāt going that much over maybe by 5-7 miles over.
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u/LLV_Mailman City Carrier Jan 15 '23
You supervisor insisted back in 8 hours Youāre just doin what you gotta do
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Jan 15 '23
Never heard of anyone getting pulled over, cops are usually pretty chill w us. Now I have seen fedex and ups both pulled over lol.
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u/dmevela City Carrier Jan 15 '23
The LLV I drive now has no working speedometer. I just have to go by feel or with the flow of traffic. Thatās ok though I guess, Iāve dealt with worse problems in vehicles.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 15 '23
Yea those LLVs are awful for predicting speed especially when the speedometer is flapping all over the place š
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u/Dazzling-Ad-1075 Jan 16 '23
Not normal at all. I drive normal in the truck because I live in nyc and traffic is crazy. I absolutely hate Amazon sundays. The truck drivers however do not drive normal at my station. Iāve drove with several of them and they run lights, speed and I even had one beeping at a cop car because it was driving to slow. š¤£. Never seen or heard anyone getting pulled over in a postal vehicle. We literally could do anything expect hit something or someone.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
For real seeee thatās what I meanā¦we are all government workers so therefore they would have to just call someone postal and even then they would probably just send us away with a slap on the wrist like donāt do it again.š
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u/Felsig27 Jan 16 '23
How where you speeding? My llv has trouble getting over 25 with the peddle to the metal, as it were. Also, how are you supposed to know you are speeding? Iāve never been in one with an accurate speedometer. Most of them say Iām going around 30 when Iām in park.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
I was in one of the newer metrisā¦I just wasnāt paying attention to my speedometer as I was on a busy ass 4 lane road.Iām more than certain that cop was bored and has quota to meet.
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u/_daddyl0nglegs_ TTO Jan 16 '23
This is why driving a semi for USPS is awesome. Truckers get bullied by police left and right (I got a ticket before for going 60 in a 55 - no bullshit) and now pulling the eagle trailer I feel invincible š
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Oh damn lol yea I could imagine they harass those drivers even moreā¦itās nice when they leave you alone to do your job lol.
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u/Sufficient-Curve-573 Jan 16 '23
my supervisor got a ticket for going 55 in a 35 or something like that, even got points on her license lmao
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u/Glittering-Ebb-6225 City Carrier Jan 16 '23
I'm impressed you even want to speed.
The LLVs I drive have the suspension of a tin can filled with rocks.
Driving them over 30 MPH reduces my spine to jelly.
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u/Toast_Reddit City Carrier Jan 16 '23
Why are you speeding for the post office, donāt let those buffoons shame you into thinking you need to run
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Jan 16 '23
Your ID is basically a PBA card.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
What is PBA?
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Jun 27 '23
Itās the special card that you get from a police officer family member. So when you get pulled over, you just show the PBA card and they send you on your way. No ticket.
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u/Honky_Stonk_Man Jan 16 '23
you could tell him that your speedometer doesnāt work and in half the trucks out there it would be true.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Well if it was a LLV I might have gotten away with it but sadly it was one of those new Mercedes.š
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u/predictablecitylife Maintenance Jan 16 '23
Cops always just gave me a wave when I was delivering.
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u/expostalgal Jan 16 '23
I was pulled over in LLV by state patrol.....said I was doing 75 in a 55....I just started laughing. Young statey fresh outta academy!! Asked for insurance and registration. Then asked me where the the license plate was! I told him for one thing, the speedometer didn't even work ,so I had no clue how fast it was going!!!! Government vehicle ~no plates ~no registration ~self issued insurance !! He got on his radio and talked to his sergeant, came back handed me my license and let me go.....
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u/shitidkman Rural Carrier Jan 16 '23
I was doing 65 in a 45 the other day, he pulled me over lol. Just gave me a wanting. I was in my POV which has usps magnets and a huge light on it. Quickest stop Iāve ever had, he just said slow it down donāt do it again lol
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Jan 15 '23
Guarantee you were being an unsafe asshole on the road. Tighten it up behind the wheel and enough of the speeding. Itāll take you what it takes you.
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Jan 16 '23
You have the rights of nothing, you get speeding tickets, no breaks, no bathrooms, no strikes, no life, your children have no parents.
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u/pmcg115 Jan 16 '23
Stop speeding. This isn't complicated. You get paid by the hour. You get paid more to obey traffic laws and not be reckless.
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u/Trippy4Mollz Jan 16 '23
Actually Iām evaluated because Iām rural but nonetheless I wasnāt even that much over the speed limit.šš½
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u/LopsidedFinding732 CCA Jan 17 '23
I have a class b license. Being a mail carrier or a federal employee does not excuse anyone when they are not following the rules of the road. I drove in San Francisco as a mail carrier and people drive crazy. Gotta make sure that you pay attention to every corner, stop light. Dont know if its a car, a crazy pedestrian, or a cyclist that you will run into. Just slow down, your getting paid for it. Remember your being safe.
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u/Kooky-Lab-4766 Jan 15 '23
By law their not suppose to mess with you
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Jan 15 '23
Rules of the road apply to everyone, if you break them they have the right to enforce the law
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u/Boogerzdad Jan 15 '23
Definitely not true. We had a standup a few weeks ago and they told us if we getting a speeding ticket it's our responsibility.
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u/heatherbabydoll Rural Carrier Jan 15 '23
I know someone who went to court for a speeding ticket received on the job, and the judge threw it out and told the cop donāt pull over postal carriers.
Iāve also been told that if I were approached by an officer to tell them they have to get a US Marshall to come, because they have no authority over me. Now that was someone who carried in the ā80ās and ā90ās, so maybe thatās changed, but Iāve been surprised by this whole thread.
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u/AllchChcar Rural Carrier Jan 15 '23
That's not true even federal law enforcement can get traffic tickets. They can't look up vehicles in their system because they're not registered motor vehicles. But local PD can cite drivers for moving violations, DUI, distracted driving, etc. If they are messing with drivers for nonsense it presents an issue though. It's just another excuse to through carriers under the bus.
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u/JackSplat12 City Carrier Jan 15 '23
Normally, they leave us alone, even for parking violations.
Maybe you were really, really speeding?
I would just slow it down from now on, you ARE on the clock after all.