well one human was a small child who fell in by accident, the other was a grown man who was determined to jump into the tiger enclosure-to the point of overpowering a woman who tried to stop him from jumping into the enclosure
Nowhere in the article you linked is said that someone tried to stop him from going in the enclosure. It is written though that the man was suffering from schizophrenia.
Not arguing that any animal should be killed, or spared in spite of a human life, but your argument isn't a good one.
For real, the commenter just links an article to explain what happened and the reply is someone thinking the commenter is the one making the argument. Wild
When someone links you an article upon request, they likely just googled the first one and pasted it to you, its not necessarily all the information or the same article they saw on the front page from the first time. People don't just save every article they ever read and recall it on demand.
That was not Harambe.
You are thinking about Jambo the male Silverback who actively protected a child who fell into the gorilla enclosure in 1986 on Jersey Zoo.
There's actually multiple instances of gorillas helping kids that get in the enclosure, which is why Harambe is so tragic.
He could've been just another gorilla trying to do exactly that, but we gauged his body language, the (unintended) violence the kid was facing from being dragged around, and also male gorillas are more dangerous, so for all we know, we shot an innocent gorilla that was just waiting for the zookeeper to show up.
This is a false retelling of history. Harambe dragged the kid at high speed through a water filled concrete pool causing several abrasive burns across the kid's body. He definitely harmed the kid.
Harambe probably didn't intend to hurt the child, he was just confused, but humans are much more fragile than gorillas.
Ultimately though I'd rather be upset a gorilla was killed than deal with the fallout of the child being killed. Who knows how much gorilla hate there would be. How much potentially less gorilla conservation. It's an unfortunate thing to have to admit that outside the memes this was the better outcome.
Yeah, this narrative that Harambe wasn't doing anything is straight up wrong. There were multiple witness statements where they all corroborated that Harambe was violently throwing the child around, shoving him to the ground and holding him under water.
There's even a video where you can hear people screaming in fear.
I was about to say, you don't need to believe the statements, there's videos. Harambe was for sure yoinking the kid around and not protecting him at all.
Its a human being that died. Likely not in their right mind because they jumped in a tiger enclosure. What are you even trying to compare here? Is the child more deserving of protection? It's just sad. Glad the tiger didn't get hurt. In the best case we wouldn't even keep gorillas and tigers in small enclosures and zoos to be stressed out by hundreds of people. And no one would fall or be able to jump in their enclosures either.
Kids are seen as more innocent (and they are) because they’re tiny and don’t have a full understanding of their actions. An adult male is seen as capable of making their own decisions, and it’s not easy to tell if somebody is having some sort of mental breakdown in the act or just doing something stupid.
In the moment there’s a clear distinction and decisions are made based on that
Okay I understand where that could be the case, but why do we even have to compare these like this and have one be "deserved" and one a tragedy instead of both being clearly tragic and sad things?
Yeah, I think there's a real problem with having a bridge over a tiger enclosure. It just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
EDIT: for those talking about him climbing two fences, the fences are adjacent to one another and one is raised above the other. It appears to me that a good leap from the bridge can take you over both fences. I think that's a real problem.
One of the fences is directly adjacent to and somewhat below the other. Please watch this video if you don't understand what I mean. They aren't two independent barriers. A good leap from the bridge can take you over both, it seems.
Just so no one gets me wrong. I don't mean every institution needs build in protection for every unlikely event like this (other than maybe not having the animals anyways). For me it is just so confusing why everyone seems almost to have such a big Schadenfreude that this dude seemingly fucked up and found out and died. Even ignoring his state of mind if this wasn't the Internet and a different situation where someones son died even if it was "stupid" like getting mad drunk and hit by a car it would be a tragedy. Maybe it's just a way to cope for most people with everyday news that are just fucked. If he's stupid it's almost comical and we don't need to feel bad and can continue with our day without a bad feeling.
The actual reason is that Harambe was shot because they were desperate to protect the child, whereas the man was attacked by Tiger before the staff could intervene.
Also, the man was mentally unwell, so there's no reason to be less sympathetic for him than the child.
I'm not sure if that fits the "mentally challenged". And the "caretaker" is bullshit, in the same article it explicitly says he did not have a caretaker as it was determined he does not need one (and apparently his family either tried to fight it or they say they tried to fight it)
Nothing is confirmed afaik but people noted in the videos he was using Makaton (a language used by people with learning disabilities) by pointing his pinky up which means "bad" towards the tiger.
However id argue that it doesn't matter if this man was disabled or not. If they jump into a tiger enclosure they are clearly not in their right mind.
And even if they were fully aware of their actions, why do people feel such a Schadenfreude about this? It's in any case sad that a human died here whatever thing lead him to these actions that lead to this result.
They should have killed the tiger if they had the chance before the man died. The personnel simply weren't quick enough. Intentionally allowing a human being to die for the sake of an animal is manslaughter under English law.
But that's not what happened. They tried their best to save the man and were unable to do so. It's not about punishment in the slightest because animals have no sense of morality.
No he wasn't. That was an assumption people made early on based on what appeared to be him using sign language with the tiger, but he's since been identified and was not intellectually disabled, but he did apparently have a history of schizophrenia
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well one human was a small child who fell in by accident, the other was a grown man who was determined to jump into the tiger enclosure-to the point of overpowering a woman who tried to stop him from jumping into the enclosure