For not being loyalists to him... Not to america but to him personally. Essentially anyone would would protect America from him trying to take it over when shit starts going really bad. No chance of military coup.
It's what happens when you feed a horse nothing but carrots; collect all of said horse's carrot shits in a 55 gallon garbage can; give said collection of shit a super long tie, tiny hands, and the vocabulary of a 2nd grader; and sell yourself as a political outsider unbeholden to special interests and the regular political machine - all the while encouraging your supporters to be more overtly hateful.
I mean there are only so many bright orange non-career politicians that fit my previous definition.
Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is the literal anthropomorphic barrel of bright orange horse shit that made so much noise and spoke so far down that the 6th grade dropouts of the Republican party that you all collectively lost your shit and said "GAHH-YA-BOY-DO-I-SURE-LOVE-THE-WAY-DONALD-TRUMP-JUST-TALKS-LIKE-ME-A-GROWN-MAN-WITH-TEARS-IN-MY-EYES-THAT-HATES-LITERALLY-EVERYONE-THAT-DOES-NOT-LOOK-OR-SOUND-LIKE-ME-BECAUSE-THINGS-THAT-ARE-NOT-LIKE-ME-SCARE-ME"
That's my impression of you just from your comment.
Shit is already really bad. He has an untrained force of thugs with virtually unlimited resources disappearing people off the streets without due process who have already murdered citizens in the street in cold blood with no consequences. He has admitted to rigging the election that brought him to power and is trying to do the same with the midterms. We have lost all internatiomal faith with our previous allies. Its getting harder and harder for the average person to live. His family has already stolen 3 billion from taxpayers, and thats just what we know about. I could keep going but hopefully you get the point.
I was one of those. I wasn't exactly 'fired', but my career was being ended quietly. All because back in '17, I refused to swear an 'oath of loyalty' to him. There were 24 other general officers in that same group and not a single one of us 'survived' it. Yes, he was attempting to orchestrate a coup back then.
Now, I no longer am a citizen of the US. I left the country I served for 32 years behind and I'm much happier thanks to that decision.
I’ve got to ask but why exactly would you not be able to talk of it? If what he did was illegal, would your oath to the Constitution not compel you to testify about the Commander in Chief having attempted to initiate a coup?
The 'coup attempt' wasn't blatant. The events behind it would require a great deal of, well, let's call it 'insider knowledge' to see how all the pieces would come together. It's all extremely complicated. Each of us did report the incident to Congress and, as stated earlier, it came to nothing.
Bit of an "aw shit here we go again" moment - but isn't this part:
swear an 'oath of loyalty' to him [...] he was attempting to orchestrate a coup
something you would normally go to prison for?
Prisons are full of people who deserve to be inside much less than the man who has only earned more wealth, power and influence with each criminal act.
and how, pray tell, do you prove this and what's worse is when nobody will fucking listen! You think that all 25 of us did NOT provide this information to Congress? I'll tell you what happened: 8 months of classified, closed door testimony that led to nothing but 25 senior officers being shown the door in one form or another. When selection for your next promotion HAS to come from the president, it's easy to get passed over. He just doesn't submit your name and that's it. Game over.
Tbf my European ass was always taught that, for all its flaws and quirks, the US doesn't mess about when it comes to judicial system and the military, so stories like this really deflate that notion. And I believe those two exact branches will feel the most lasting damage after he's gone.
It'll take the US 30 years to fix their internal problems and closer to 50 to repair the damage that trump has done to the US on the international stage.
Seems like you weren't a very loyal American if you gave up your citizenship so easily to live in another country. You swore to uphold the Constitution but that loyalty didn't extend to when it is ACTUALLY in danger. Then you run like a coward to hide in another country.
Comments are hidden simply because anyone could piece them together and easily identify me. I prefer to remain anonymous. The random name is just that...random. Hardly an uncommon thing.
I hate this one specifically because I've been an advocate for cutting high ranking officers. We have nearly 6x as many flag officers per regular sailor than we did in WW2, for example. We've been overburdened at the top levels of command ever since the post-Cold War draw down.
But doing it via blatant loyalty testing is dictator shit.
Not trying to start too much of an argument with you, but 6X?? The ratio of enlisted to officers is roughly 4 to 1. Also, there is a limit (by law) of how many general officers there can be total and the Navy has about 150 flag officers total. Hardly 6x the number of sailors. There is a glut of O-5's for sure, but that has always been the case. This is where literally 90% of officers end their careers. Why? Because less than 5% of eligible O-5's are selected for O-6. The 'checklist' of items you have to have completed for selection to O-6 is extremely difficult to achieve. Now, for those who DO promote to O-6, well, Colonels/Captains make up about 5% total of the entire officer corps and less than 1% of the entire military.
I retired at 32 years of active duty at O-8 and let me tell you, it was NOT an easy thing to achieve. There are only a limited number of assignments available to flag officers and if those officers do not retire or are selected for the next available rank, then that creates a 'dam' that prevents others from moving on up. Most officers retire at O-5 at 20-24 years. O-6's will retire at 30 (mandatory) if not selected for O-7. Failure to be selected for O-7-O-10 twice equals immediate retirement.
Compare senior officers O-7 through O-10 (800-900 total) to senior NCO's E-7 through E-9 (124,000) and I think you'll see that enlisted logjams are far, far, worse.
They were talking about the ratio of O-7+ to enlisted. The ratio is 6x higher than in WW2.
Not sure why WW2 is the comparison, though. I think one could argue that was contingency staffing and the current ratio is correct. And I’m sure one could argue that the WW2 ratio was too high and we need to cut even more senior leadership than planned. What’s the correct ratio? I don’t know. I don’t really care. I’m one of those O-5s working hard to get my promotion to Mr.
And even at the military school he was forced to go to, the medals on his Pic aren't his...
He borrowed them from others that actually achieved things that he didn't.
Just like the Nobel peace prize, he didn't earn, but has. And the FIFA peace prize, he didn't earn, but has. And the FIFA cup he didn't earn, but had. And the purple heart, he didn't earn, but has. Etc
Heck, I can't think of a single award, or prize, he has in his possession, or has had his picture taken with that he earned.
He didn't even get them as participation awards, because he didn't even participate.
My dad was a combat medic in Vietnam, served on the front lines. Despite all efforts, there were times he lost men in his company due to enemy action, including having his best friend die in his arms. Seeing himself and his surviving buddies labeled as suckers, and all those men lost in Nam labeled as losers (never mind all those lost before and since), Dad lost it.
He bought a sign referencing that quote, and it had been on our front lawn ever since, well back from the road, but visible. This past summer, just a few months ago, the guy that does the roadside trimming for the town made a point of destroying the sign. Didn't touch our mailbox or anyone else's signs or decorations that were far closer to the edge of the road, but he made damn sure to pull up onto my lawn to destroy that sign. Town refuses to acknowledge responsibility, like there's rampaging mowers running amok destroying signs that are not town related or something.
When I was stationed in Yokosuka, Trump wanted the USS McCain to be kept out of sight during his visit to the base. What's crazy is that the ship wasn't hidden, but the McCain's sailors who wore their ship's ballcaps were told not to attend his speech. I just remember thinking, this has got to be the most disrespectful president ever, trying to hide one of our own ships just because he didn't like the guy it was named after.
He is a malignant narcissist, jealous of people like McCain who have integrity. I am never surprised by what Trump does.
But even after 10+ years of this, I’m still unable to accept or understand how many people either actively support him, OR who aren’t alarmed and disgusted by him enough to do anything about it.
Grab a shovel, get some friends together, and start digging graves on Trump golf courses. (His ex wife is already buried under a putting green in New Jersey). Bet you didn’t know that Arlington National Cemetery is located on Robert E. Lee’s former front yard. I’m Canadian, and even I knew that.
I mean, to my understanding they're sent to die under false pretences after growing up with conditioning. It's a harsh thing to say but they have been duped by a pretty horrific con in most cases
If you’re going to make such an extreme claim you should provide evidence or establish your credibility.
The majority of military members join for some form of a benefit (education money, technical training, world travel, a leg up and out of their personal circumstance, financial stability for their family, etc). Have personally interviewed thousands of USN, USMC, and s few USA personnel asking them this exact question.
So the majority join to set themselves up for a good future, do you think the majority of soldiers end up with a good future from the army? Are they adequately cared for after?
Why that's why we have Wounded Warrior Project!!! So YOU can take care of those soldiers who risked their lives for YOUR FREEDOM, you ingrate. The government did their part by sending them to die for YOU, so YOU pay their doctor bills after. Thanks! Love, America.
For those that don't know, when commissioned officers in the United States military are promoted, during the first and second promotion (to 1st lieutenant and captain), the criteria is "all fully qualified". So while it's not 100% guaranteed it's pretty close, and usually around 98-99% of officers make those promotions. At all later stages (major and above) it's no longer "all fully qualified", but instead "best qualified", at a gradually decreasing percentage.
Donald Trump would be one of those few officers who would absolutely struggle to get promoted to 1st lieutenant, and with a very high degree of probability he wouldn't make captain. Every year in the military you get a written evaluation (FITREP), and in Trump's case he would almost certainly get the career ending version called "Do not promote". You only give out those for serious things like lying, falsifying official records, or failure to exercise basic personal accountability, i.e. things that Trump is widely known to do on a regular basis. It's even probable that Trump during his first command (platoon leader) would get "relieved for cause", which happens if a commander officially removes a junior officer from their position due to incompetence, toxic leadership, or severe poor judgment, i.e. things that Trump yet again does regularly.
An interesting aspect is that Trump could not currently gain a commission in any of the Armed Forces, since he has a felony conviction and would thus be immediately disqualified from becoming an officer (any active duty officer who gets a felony conviction is automatically fired). Trump is for the same reason prohibited from owning a firearm. Yet he somehow holds the nuclear codes. Make it make sense.
When people mention fragging officers during the Vietnam War, Donald Trump is the exact kind of person that they are talking about.
As others have already mentioned, Trump would probably not make it through officer candidate school (he would never get admitted to West Point either).
Right wing loves to say they support troops. But when this fool literally made fun of McCain, they just followed along like little sheep they are.
I mean I didn’t like McCain’s policies but Jesus, he’s a freaking legend and 💯 percent more man than I am. I would never ever make fun of someone who was in the military.
I would make fun of people in the military. The military of my own country for sure, and the US is only better in logistics and equipment and maybe doing somewhat fewer war crimes.
Also, McCain refused early release (offered because his father was a high ranking admiral) on the grounds that prisoners serving longer than he (eg Everette Alvarez) be release first. Now that’s principle and guts trump could never muster in a million lifetimes. Imagine saying, no I’m staying and enduring more torture? Whereas trump gets a paper cut and he’d cry like a baby.
And McCain chose to stay years, his cpators offered to release him because McCain's father was an admiral or something and he insisted he shouldn't be released before others that were there before him were freed.
It’s right there. It’s so easily accessible to see mounds of evidence behind him dodging service. How are these people so fucking dumb and willfully blind.
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u/atwozmom 7h ago
Not only a draft dodger, but someone who has made fun of soldiers who died, calling them losers.