For England. Not for Ireland, Scotland or Wales. They'll immediately start the process to rejoin the EU. Happy days ahead. You'll always have London, they'll pay the bills for the rest of the country.
Which delusional nonsense are you talking about? The Brexit form of Nationalism, where England's nationalism got to decide for the rest of the United kingdom. Or independent state form of Nationalism where each country within the UK can decide for itself.
I mean Iāll be the one to let you know that you canāt really moan about Brexit while advocating for it on steroids champ.
But yes, nationalists are closest in tone and the tendency to go for utterly nonsense claims to make their case to Brexiters. The similarities are fairly remarkable - two sides of the same coin really.
No, Welsh people voted to leave - almost a million of them. Over a million Scots did the same. More people in each of London and the South East voted remain than both Wales and Scotland combined
By contrast, 1.5 million Londoners voted to leave.
Perhaps grow up a bit, stop relying on delusional bullshit about ācolonistsā (as you put it in another comment) or your idiotic āno true Welshmanā and āevery Englishmanā waffling and respect the fact that in a democracy, sometimes we donāt win and get what we want.
This (incredibly flaky) bit of post-hoc āresearchā from Dorling doesnāt actually substantiate your idiotic claim at all, and the fact you think it does is embarrassing. Also fun that Swansea is apparently an āEnglishā city and Carmarthenshire, Flintshire and the Rhondda are āEnglishā local authorities since they registered a leave vote, whereas Monmouthshire - actually on the border and historically very English - voted Remain.
Adding in the use of the term ācolonistsā too is comedy gold. A sort of Poundland Glyndwr, trying to grievance monger his way through life.
Oh darling, your insults just strengthen the Welsh independence movement. Dismissing research into your countries activities and influence on others is cute. Yet you present zero return argument beyond ātrust me broā. Classic Englishman
Youāre having to pretend anyone who didnāt vote a particular way in a referendum a decade ago isnāt Welsh, cupcake. That reeks of utter weakness and desperation. You clearly hate large parts of your own country.
Itās also incredibly funny to see you flail about āno argumentā here when the actual numbers from Welsh local authorities are presented, and your whining is completely demolished in one incredibly easy swoop.
Youāre not a classic Welshman. Welsh folk are good people, and tend to do significantly less mewling and be rather cleverer than whatever you are.
Youāre actually quite nasty and havenāt said anything that warrants proof - other than you donāt like people from the West Midlands on holiday in Barmouth!
No literally Welsh citizens voted to leaveā¦ the valleys being one of the largest brexit voting areas. They are quite Welsh.
Right now I think independence is honestly a terrible idea.. no actual plans in a world that is becoming extremely hostile. As a Welshman we need to be more united than ever. The uk was powerful and wealthy because it was united not divided.
As a Welshman, we need independence. We need to secure our borders, water and our land are extremely valuable in a future of climate change. England has no future except as a dry desert.
literally we are so closely linked it would be disasterous finacially to untangle... your statement like all independence claims holds no water, as its just a statement with no actual idea of what independence means realitically and finacially for wales... no discussion about defence... afterwhich would literallty have no nuclear deterant, no talk about where actual money would come from, or how we would need to fund things...apart from... selling water. and in about 10 years england will have more reseviours than you can shake a stick at.
We have america, china and russia desperatly trying to push indepence, so they have a weaker world power to overcome.
No, I mean your line of thinking is demented, about Wales - as it exists today - being merely a colony of England, rather than a member of a country that is a union of countries. As well as the notion that all the other nations of the union will be somehow better off if they become independent.
Tax surplus/deficit of each nation:
England: Ā£40-60 billion net surplus
Scotland: ~Ā£14 billion net deficit (even accounting for North Sea oil and gas
Wales: ~Ā£16 billion net deficit
Northern Ireland: ~Ā£11 billion net deficit
Each of these nations would be crippled if they left the UK. Not to mention each of their largest trading partners is the UK. This gets worse when you look at trade.
Scotland: ~60% of their trade is with the UK
Wales: ~60% of their trade is with the UK
NI: ~50% of their trade is with the UK
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u/Glum_Judgment6232 Sep 14 '26
Yep...And this would be like Brexit XXL on steroids