r/NonCredibleDefense • u/fabiK3A 3000 Bundeswehr bureaucratic procedures • 5d ago
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦 Updated the meme
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u/KorKiness 5d ago
"Peace is not the absence of war, but the absence of Moscow"
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u/Curaced 5d ago
“My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”
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u/ULTMT 5d ago
"Sike! We bombed it 35 minutes ago."
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u/BuHoGPaD Odesa Ukie 🇺🇦 5d ago
We started 35 minutes ago and have no intention of stoping any time soon
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u/super__hoser Self proclaimed forehead on warhead expert 5d ago
but the absence of Moscow"
STOP STOP STOP, I can only get so hard.
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u/NoSpawnConga West Taiwan under temporary CCP occupation 5d ago
They are descendants of those who first betrayed Rus and then stole her name, muscovites don't deserve to use word "Rus".
Suzdal princes betrayed their blood related brothers, collaborated with mongols, collected tribute on their behalf (and stole part of it, very unexpected development I'm sure) and even led punitive expeditions against Kyievan princes, and after that Muscovy czsardom just named itself a Greek word for Rus. Asswipes, all of them, for 800 years straight.
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u/alterom AeroGavins for Ukraine Now! 5d ago
They are descendants of those who first betrayed Rus and then stole her name, muscovites don't deserve to use word "Rus".
Ahem time to dig out my ever-relevant post:
PSA: The Historical Context of Ukraine Considering Changing the Official Name of Russia to "Moscovia"
Y'all are welcome💛💙
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u/beryugyo619 4d ago
I still think the Russian style anecdote story in which Putin is allowed back from hell just for one night to a cozy pub in Moscow to hear all about victories of the righteous straight from decorated veterans who supported it only to realize the prices are all in UAH is funny af
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u/DepartureNatural9340 4d ago
Kind of a weird way to put it, the concept of regional nationalism is very much of a modern thing, so saying the muscovites are traitors for being aligned with mongols is like saying African states that sold slaves to Europeans are traitors or smt. Also collaboration is a strange way to put it as well, the mongols were a very very wealthy empire that much of Europe did tons of trade with. The idea of them being an existential threat to Europe is not very accurate
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u/Whirlpoolcircle56 5d ago edited 5d ago
You realize what happened to city states that resisted the Mongols too hard right? Complete annihilation, "collaborated" is a crazy word here when Iran's population didn't recover from what was done to them until the 1950s.
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u/alterom AeroGavins for Ukraine Now! 5d ago edited 5d ago
ou realize what happened to city states that resisted the Mongols too hard right? Complete annihilation,
Yeah, Kyiv was effectively burned to the ground, and never quite bounced back to where it was before... Until now, perhaps.
But also, not every Slavic center had to suck that sweet Mongolian dick for "Grand Principality" titles.
Tver resisted, and if Moscow didn't help crush the uprising and instead joined Tver, who knows where we'd be today. The Poles did kick Mongols' ass outta Kyiv, they weren't invincible.
Novgorod wasn't taken by the Mongols, for that matter. It was crushed by the Tsars.
Anyhow .
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u/Whirlpoolcircle56 5d ago
I wonder if Poland ever does some really fucked up shit in the future if people are going to accuse them of collaborating with the Nazis in WW2.
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u/alterom AeroGavins for Ukraine Now! 5d ago
I wonder if Poland ever does some really fucked up shit in the future if people are going to accuse them of collaborating with the Nazis in WW2.Where's that coming from, WTF?!
Moscow isn't accused of collaborating with the Mongols.
The Mongols have effectively created Moscovia as a vassal state. The Khans' families intermarried with those of Moscow princes.
Everything I wrote is a historical fact, not aCcUsAtIoN.
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u/SilliusS0ddus 4d ago
Ivan what the fuck are you talking about ?
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u/Whirlpoolcircle56 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's pretty obvious, being conquered by a brutal empire doesn't mean you are a collaborator. That's something you choose to do willingly which was decidedly not the case lol.
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u/SilliusS0ddus 4d ago
ah I see the point you're making now.
I was confused because the USSR collaborated with Nazi Germany in the invasion of Poland
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u/MindControlledSquid 5d ago
So long as a single ruscist still draws breath, there can be no peace.
At last, back to war.
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u/ButchersAssistant93 5d ago edited 5d ago
Everyone knew about Russia's disinformation campaign but nobody wanted to even suggest a solution and everytime anyone suggested the idea of stopping it there would someone saying something about freedom of speech even thought Russia was taking advantage of it.
Deep down I was thinking why not just drop a bomb and launch a drone at it but never said it out loud because everyone got so weird and uncomfortable about the very idea of doing anything about Russian bots. So today I feel so validated and I hope Ukraine keeps cleaning up the internet.
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u/PooMonger20 5d ago
After years of overengineering solutions to russian hybrid warfare, the West came full circle to Occam’s razor: just bomb them.
This is really a classic case of reinventing the wheel through accidental complexity.
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u/super__hoser Self proclaimed forehead on warhead expert 4d ago
Kinetic solutions = best solutions
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u/PooMonger20 4d ago
Constantly avoiding kinetic solutions is as bad as resorting to them immediately.
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u/inconsequentialatzy Soldier 🇸🇪 4d ago
Nonsense, immediately resorting to violence always works if you resort to enough of it.
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u/Hodorization 4d ago
If violence does not solve a problem, then apply more violence to the problem
Is that what they call the "principle of mathematical destruction"?
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u/PooMonger20 4d ago edited 4d ago
It counts as stealth if all enemies are dead and cant notice you.
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u/Salihe6677 4d ago
"Any problem on Earth can be solved with the careful application of high explosives." - the movie Valkyrie, though maybe not the best example considering it didn't solve theirs, but you know, one does their best.
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u/spicesucker 5d ago
there would someone saying something about freedom of speech even thought Russia was taking advantage of it
Turns out it was bots defending themselves
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u/mayuzane furry 5d ago
I always argued that the best solution to dealing with bot farms was sabotage. Either destroy the computers, destroy the buildings, destroy the electrical infrastructure, ANYTHING that affects the hardware. You cannot stop this kind of thing without directly obstructing it somehow.
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u/ButchersAssistant93 4d ago
Western intelligence agencies should also be sabotaging troll farms across India and Africa as well. Little arson here and there.
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
Exactly, and don't forget to attack what makes their regime function, also. Fight the internal misinformation/propaganda, reveal the identities and addresses behind the thug squads oppressive regimes often need to function, and of any officials whose secrecy and privacy must be maintained to play part in oppression, make the nation a hostile environment to the oppression operatus. Democracies are undermined through falsehoods, regimes with the truth.
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u/EscudoLos 5d ago
Yeah honestly.
Same, everyone got real cagey when I'd suggest that Ukraine bombard Russian troll farms.
Same thing when I'd say that Russia/China aligned countries hosting troll farms should be subjected to pro West colour revolutions.
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u/HongMeiIing 5d ago
Better yet, just geoblock all Russian and their affilated Internet access from the wider Web.
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u/maveric101 4d ago
someone saying something about freedom of speech even thought Russia was taking advantage of it.
I mean, somewhat valid. Local restrictions on free speech, regardless of how you define them, are potential avenues of abuse to by authoritarians to suppress dissent.
So, yeah, bombing is better, lol.
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u/Hodorization 4d ago
The thing is, such attacks invite retaliation. Which can backfire.
The Ukrainian attacks themselves are retaliation for Russian attacks on Ukrainian data centers that happened in late September. The Russians clearly did not think this through when they attacked MiroHost, Parkovy, Data Group, Utels, Pautina and Kyivstar.
Let's be careful what we wish for
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u/McGryphon Ceterum censeo Königsberg septem pontibus eget 4d ago
"Oh no, let's not do anything about the attacks on us and our information space, they might attack us and our information space"
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u/Hodorization 4d ago
Dropping bombs or launching drones at targets deep in another country, in retaliation for cyber attacks, is generally seen as a huge escalation. Not as a justified reaction
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u/inconsequentialatzy Soldier 🇸🇪 4d ago
Wait, are you afraid that retaliations will make them commit to attacks they were already committing to? Does causality work differently where you're from?
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u/Hodorization 4d ago
It's generally a bad idea to start our escalate a fight without considering what the other side will do in reaction.
Sometimes there's nothing they can do that could deter you, so you attack
Sometimes you notice that there are things they can easily do, but haven't yet, which would be worse for you than what you hope to achieve.
A natural first thing to check would be, if I attack target of type X on their side, do I have vulnerability with my own installations of the same type X? Because that's a logical no-brainer reaction: hitting back at the same target type, to communicate that they noticed what you did and will inflict similar pain onto you.
So you say, "we" (Europe?) should drop bombs on Russian data centers. By military means, presumably(?). Did I interpret that right?
All I'm saying is, let's first think, how vulnerable are our own data centers? And are we able to react again, if Russia retaliates in kind? Russia's logical reaction will be to retaliate in kind, which means, send missiles into Polish or Swedish (wherever the attack came from) data centers. Are "we" prepared for a shooting war with Russia, in which "we" handed them a prefect pretext by starting it?
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u/inconsequentialatzy Soldier 🇸🇪 4d ago
I think we all understand that we're talking about Ukraine kinetically degrading Russian IT infrastructure
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
To copy what I said elsewhere, that's when you do a little covert operations and say "nuh-uh wouldn't know anything about it" when the trollfarms turn a little incendiary.
A bit more seriously, I think that rather trollfarms should be seen as acts of hybrid agression and acted on as such, with tit for tat measures. You don't want to start an active conflict over it, you don't want to start trollbotting back and be as dirty, but if those centres could burst up in flames inexpliccably or suffer waterdamage or something else that sabotages it, or if the internal misinformation/propaganda got fought with more fervor, and the identities and addresses behind of the thug squads oppressive regimes often need to function got revealed, and any officials whose secrecy and privacy must be maintained to play part in oppression, to make the nation a hostile environment to the oppression operatus, that'd be the kind of hybrid countermeasures I'd like to see.
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u/Hodorization 4d ago
Let's say, western countries decided to undertake covert ops as retaliation for Russian hybrid attacks.
These ops are covert, so there's no publicity. The Russians don't mention them either as it would embarrass them to admit they got played.
Would we even know this was happening? Could we tell whether this was happening, or not?
And if we could not tell it in the hypothetical case, why would be know in the here and now, whether such ops happen or not?
I'm asking because, if you look for it, there are actually signs that russian provocations do not always remain unretaliated. Like, would you know it, sometimes Russian undersea cables get cut "accidentally" too: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/08/russia-says-baltic-sea-cable-damaged-by-external-impact-a87917 You wouldn't hear much about it unless you looked for such news though
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u/cromwest 4d ago
I don't think most people care about striking the source of Russian bots. It's just that you are talking about doing that on the Internet where all the Russian bots are.
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u/Creepy_Jeweler_1351 Lets pray to the Nuclear God ⚛ 3d ago
We didnt do it earlier likely because russia will destroy our datacenters. But those fucktards decided they can do it first and recive no answer. Well well well, lets see who is more prepared for datacenter war
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u/Deltasims Unrepenting de Gaulle enjoyer 5d ago
Making the internet human again, one burning data center at a time
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u/GripAficionado 5d ago
Ukraine helps take out our frustration over the current RAM, SSD and GPU prices on Russian data centers.
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u/worthless_humanbeing 4d ago
Things would be so much better, if we treated disinformation and gray zone activities as hostile acts and not just put our heads in sand and ignore them.
We don't need to do anything extreme or reply in kind. But we do need to actually do something about them.
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u/Kajort 5d ago
I feel personally attacked as a PhD in Russian InfoOps. Maybe I should enlist in Ukraine drone command.
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u/ButchersAssistant93 5d ago edited 5d ago
Serious question.
If everyone in your field knew about Russia's disinformation campaign why did no one have any suggestion or ideas of how to stop it or try to warn society because it seems like no one on the internet or real life even wanted to acknowledge it ?
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u/Kajort 5d ago
We have ideas, when also are sounding alarms since 2016. I worked on QAnon. I'm also one of the minority that says that passive defense is not effective (debunking) and that most of the damage is already done when those strategies are being deployed, so we need retaliation for adevrsarial campaign that try to influence our information environment (deterrence theory works everywhere). But you have old politicians that don't give a fuck and don't understand social media, or politician that are scared to intervene in the information environment because they feel any intervention could open them up to attacks on being censorious, or politicians that don't want to antagonize Russia for a few posts, or politician that even if they're not collaborating with the foreign threat, they benefit from their operations, or politicians that are collaborating with the foreign threat. I'm really generalizing here, but short answer is political will and ignorance of the issue. Something is starting to move, but fucking slowly. France is doing a nice job all considered TBH.
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u/ButchersAssistant93 5d ago
It's so frustrating the West has been so complacent as Russia brainwashed an entire generation when the solution was so simple.
My hot take is the West should have given Ukraine the means to do this so much earlier. Maybe a certain problematic head of state would have never gotten elected.
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u/Kajort 5d ago
I love the EU, but if you give them 20 years to decide something, or everybody dies, Europe would end up a graveyard...
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
The EU is slow but not that slow. Russian oil dependence got turned around real quick when push came to shove, from what I vaguely recall the immediate cooperative covid response could have been better but was succesful after, IIRC buying vaccines together was succesful.
The EU gets a bad rep for the slowness inherent to consensus based decisionforming, but IMO that is really how it needs to be, it's not a tight cooperation between meddling states that really need to stop meddling, but between sovereign countries that will inherently have differences that can be overcome given time to discuss.
I think that EU functioning leans on ambitiousness and flexibility, not on forced rigidity which more and more seem to be expected from the EU. The EU will crack under rigidity, and only be resilitient under flexibility. I think a quick response decisionmaking framework can be worked out by coming to an agreement on how a this would look like, and not everyone may need to join in, much like how the Euro isn't used everywhere.
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u/fabiK3A 3000 Bundeswehr bureaucratic procedures 5d ago
I would contest though that deterrence theory does not work with disinformation as well as cyberspace more generally. However, that does not mean I am against measures flooding the russian info environment.
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u/Kajort 5d ago
I mean, it's a bit complex to discuss it here, I wrote a couple of articles on applying deterrence by denial and deterrence by punishment in the cyber/information space. I would argue that counterhacks can be a viable tit for tat strategy for example. But you need to mean it. Political pressure, hacks, sanctions, etc, the entire arsenal. But there's no political will to act tough, at most just to talk tough.
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u/fabiK3A 3000 Bundeswehr bureaucratic procedures 5d ago
very cool. I was mostly referencing Gartzke and Lindsay's work (Elements of deterrence, Age of Deception). Though this is not my area really so I defer to your judgement.
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u/Kajort 5d ago
I mean, I'm more into classical deterrence, and my point was theoretical, not concerning explicitly with political realities. Tho winds are slowly changing. VIGINUM in France and @FrenchResponse on Twitter are good examples (at least in my mind) of the cycle I tried to highlight. Early Warning capabilities, to anticipatory intervention, to reduced campaign effectiveness, to increased adversarial effort, to possibly deterrence by denial...
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u/sblahful 4d ago
Don't you just end up on an escalation ladder of hybrid warfare methods? Though it seems we're on that anyway so might as well...
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u/Kajort 4d ago
I mean, we're doing little and they're getting bolder and bolder. But yes, escalation is a genuine risk, but it is as much a risk as allowing the other side to believe that repeated provocations will go unanswered and unpunished. It's basically a big game of chicken: if you're always the one to steer off, the other side has little to no reason to change course. That mean establishing credible limits, automatic tripwires, and imposing proportionate costs before the stakes become much higher for both parties involved. In short, politician should learn to deter adversarial aggression without being escalatory. To conclude, both action and inaction have inherent risks, right now we just choose inaction and it's not going well. But on the other hand I can see how some people could view my position as too hawkish, tho in my opinion there's not a lot of wiggle room left, and I would like governments using deterrence instead of just waiting for the crash.
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u/N1ghthood 5d ago
Agreed on your point about debunking.
One of the biggest problems we have with disinformation is that it's talked about by defence and security people primarily, and as a result people throw around the word "countering" a lot. The problem is you can't counter disinformation. All you can do is provide a more compelling narrative.
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u/Aggravating_Home_468 5d ago edited 5d ago
Is debunking's ineffectiveness seriously still a minority view among researchers? I thought the research was pretty settled! Or is the opposition "marketplace of ideas" philosophical nonsense?
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u/Kajort 5d ago
TBH it's a bit more nuanced, but here I can't write everything. There is some incentive to develop further ideas around debunking because that's more palatable. I got my fundings cut and now I'm trying to finish my PhD while working in the industry because my position on the issue was, to be fair, quite hawkish. I'm not saying that everywhere is like this, but yeah, it's complicated.
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u/Aggravating_Home_468 5d ago
It's been a minute since I've done my reading, but I know a couple years ago there were papers put out about how immediate debunking, like the blurbs YouTube puts under videos related to covid or vaccines, are helpful, but I also remember there was a... more robust body of evidence indicating that the bigger issue is exposure to disinfo in the first place, because information itself is sticky, often stickier than the debunk. Sorry about your funding. We desperately need people like you.
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
Apparently what I wanted to say broke reddit rules even if it is not dissimilar from allowed discussion? Which seems arbitrary. Well I hope that my appeal goes through
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
But you seem to only really support counterhacks, are those too hawkish!? That's the minimal tit for the tat of something that undermines our democratic functioning!
Maybe I and this sub in general is just so much more of a hawk then because I would support covert arson and other physical sabotaging operations against these trollfarms. Combined with operations that undermine the part of the functioning built on oppression of these regimes, like fighting their internal misinformation/propaganda, reveal the identities and addresses behind of the thug squads oppressive regimes often need to function, same for any officials whose secrecy and privacy must be maintained to play part in oppression, make the nation a hostile environment to the oppression operatus.
But no counterhacks are already too much apparently?
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u/smaug13 JDAM kits for trebuchets! 4d ago
But all you support seem to be counterhacks, are those already too hawkish!? It is the minimal tit for the tat that undermines our democracy!
Through secret government operations have those centres could burst up in flames inexpliccably or suffer waterdamage or something else that sabotages it, or if the internal misinformation/propaganda got fought with more fervor, and the identities and addresses behind of the thug squads oppressive regimes often need to function got revealed, and any officials whose secrecy and privacy must be maintained to play part in oppression, to make the nation a hostile environment to the oppression operatus, that'd be the kind of hybrid countermeasures I'd like to see.
But no apparently counterhacks are too much already.
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u/Kraligor (Dream ends) 5d ago
The silver lining is that there is no substance behind all the bullshit. Sure, they cause massive amounts of damage, they get idiots like Trump elected, but look how Trump is doing now. Once reality slaps you in the face, you tend to forget about Facebook posts.
Same thing would/will happen with the AfD in Germany. That's why there are some calls from establishment politicians to just let them have a (state) government, so they can try and fail.
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u/VonNeumannsProbe 5d ago
I also have a serious question. Is there any measurable difference in meme warfare waining after these data centers got taken out or is there enough domestic actors repeating russian rhetoric that the difference isn't measurable.
It just seems like something so hard to quantify both in efforts and effects.
I work as an engineer for certain aerospace companies. Qualitative data sucks.
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u/sblahful 4d ago
politician that are scared to intervene in the information environment because they feel any intervention could open them up to attacks on being censorious,
I mean this is a real risk. Unless you silence or label the bots themselves, you label the message - and then you invite the Streisand effect for whatever the topic du hour is.
France is doing a nice job all considered TBH.
I know the UK reached out to EU partners in 2022 and none were interested. What are you referring to with France's actions? Macron calling in opposition leaders to talk?
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u/irregular_caffeine 900k bayonets of the FDF 5d ago
Have you ever interacted with scientists? They warn about a lot of things but nobody gives a shit
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u/Express_Ad5083 5d ago
Dude yeah, I had to make a presentation for class on how to counter misinformation/disinformation. This is just way easier
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u/ButchersAssistant93 5d ago
The solution was always obvious. Western politicians were just cowards about it or probably had their heads in the sand just how bad it was.
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u/Mouse-Keyboard 5d ago
More importantly, a lot of Western politicians benefit from Russian propaganda.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Scramjets when 5d ago
has anyone actually seen the yandex strike? like holy shit it was a bigger firestorm than shock and awe
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u/Azagorod least militaristic German 5d ago
In the same vein, Chad Environmental Activist. Turns out, you can actually Just Stop Oil pretty effectively if you put your heart into it.
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u/ButchersAssistant93 5d ago
Hot take. Leftists and progressives have lost their spine. Facists only understand one language and that's force. Preaching to your choir does nothing and peaceful obstructive protests just hers you mocked. Drones are the greatest equaliser of our time and it's time insurgents and partisans starting using them more.
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u/Azagorod least militaristic German 4d ago
Is this really this much of a hot take? People keep telling themselves that they "protest" and just mean posing a bit with cutesy signs, and then wonder why nothing changes. Meanwhile, the actual protests that do change stuff burn down half of Paris (for better or worse).
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u/printzonic 4d ago
Case and point, the 1870 siege of paris. Ain't that right saugage boy
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u/Sleeksnail 4d ago
Case in point.
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u/printzonic 4d ago
Get with the time, old fella. Not using correct language is the only way to provve that you are a human.
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u/karamisterbuttdance 4d ago
It's more that legitimate governments at the center have basically shut down the wing that understood that you need the barrel of a gun to facilitate substantiative change. There's something to be said about governments desiring a monopoly of force yet being unwilling to wield it when stochastic terrorism is used to do an end run around it.
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u/cuba200611 My other car is a destroyer 3d ago
Something something political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
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u/disregardmeok 5d ago
I wonder if the combined defence industries of Western Europe could build a weapon for Ukraine that is specifically optimised for destroying Russian data centres. It’s been a lovely day on the internet today.
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u/k890 MIC Propaganda Connoisseur 4d ago
It already exist, graphite bomb used to disabling electric grid. No power, no data center.
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u/waiver45 3d ago
They would probably also be effective against data centers directly. There is tons of high voltage equipment in them and a bunch of random connections across different voltage levels on the boards of modern electronics is also a pretty good way to kill them permanently.
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u/Normal-Ear-5757 4d ago
Zelensky showing us that there is, in fact, a kinetic solution to the problem of rogue ai
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u/georgejetsonn 4d ago
I think everyone hopped on this viral misunderstanding and run with it without verifying. The lower bot activity reported by Cloudflare is related to Yandex search engine crawler bots, not propaganda bots.
It would a super rookie mistake to route social media bots through Russian IP's, they would instantly get flagged. Other than biased anecdotes, there's no data that shows lower propaganda bot activity. An X bot monitoring account confirms this
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u/Arael15th ネルフ 4d ago
"Lower bot activity" is inclusive of all kinds, including propaganda bots.
Other than biased anecdotes
Lmao, lol even. Go post on twitter right now about Russia shooting down Flight MH-17 or raping their way through Bucha and it'll be crickets. A month ago you'd have been mobbed by denials and other nonsense.
I wish I could send Budanov flowers for doing more in the service of a fair US midterm election than, apparently, anyone within the US could have accomplished.
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u/georgejetsonn 4d ago edited 4d ago
is inclusive of all kinds, including propaganda bots.
This isn't a semantics gotcha, Cloudflare's quoted graph doesn't track social media bot activity. It only charts automated HTTP requests (aka bots aka crawlers) from a specific search engine (Yandex in this case). That's how the Internet is indexed.
Social media bots use residential IP proxies (likely from hacked routers/IoT devices) to circumvent flagging. They will have a totally different IP fingerprint from what that Cloudflare graph is tracking.
Is it possible that some bot farms used Yandex infrastructure to host their servers? Yes. Can we use the Cloudflare chart to prove it? No
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u/Svelok 4d ago
Yeah, I cannot prove the effect or the correlation, but I have genuinely seen a complete falloff of certain types of posts and comments across social media. Not just propaganda related, all the engagement and algorithm baiting stuff just vanished. Even the Mr Beast gambling website reply bots are gone.
Maybe, by sheer coincidence, social media or cloudflare updated their algorithms around the same time. It's genuinely not impossible.
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u/AWildNome 4d ago
lmao, lol even. Go post on twitter right now about Russia shooting down Flight MH-17 or raping their way through Bucha and it'll be crickets. A month ago you'd have been mobbed by denials and other nonsense.
Source: your ass
Brother even RFE is calling out the bullshit on this.
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u/PlaneGoWoosh 4d ago
People just read the words ’data center’ and instantly switch their brains off. It’s not like reddit needs them as well or anything lmao
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u/Hinterwaeldler-83 5d ago
Are we the virgin on the left or Chad desinfo fighters (our weapon is shitposting)?
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u/sentinelthesalty F-15 Is My Waifu 5d ago
Talking, discussing and critiqueing them gives them legitamacy. As if they are some valid opinion to be discussed, as if there is a real person acting in good faith.
This, this is the answer; Violance.
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u/Chara_cter_0501 3000 Centurion tanks of the BAOR 4d ago
People on AFU will really be like "you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Yandex data centre" and then firebomb a Yandex data centre
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u/Cornflake0305 4d ago
Real chads will only be satisfied when we created the world's largest mirror, conveniently Russian landmass sized
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u/lewllewllewl 5d ago
Call me crazy but we should have a western version of the Great Firewall, would it really be that hard to do
I'm sure it wouldn't be a perfect solution but still
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u/liquidivy 5d ago
It would be that hard, yes. China already has a hard time, and they start with the advantage of a clear definition of "in" and "out". Good luck defining who is part of "the West" in the medium of network routing rules.
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u/inconsequentialatzy Soldier 🇸🇪 4d ago
I would never have imagined that the internet toxicity issue could have a kinetic solution.
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u/ilovefreespam4real 4d ago
best state sponsored disinformation/information wars awareness campaign of 2026
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u/Detoneision 5d ago
Well, we could have legislated against bots and achieved this ages ago, but oh boi our own oligarchy salivates at materialising their hubristic version of social management
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u/wheeshnaw 5d ago
yeah man all that legislation we could have introduced to stop the russian government from operating russian disinformation bots from russian data centers located in russia
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u/Foxyfox- 5d ago
Yeah, at some point you just need to call it what it is: it's hybrid warfare, and if you allow your opponent to continue making information warfare on you when in any position of power then you are at best incompetent and at worst treasonous to your own fellow citizens and your office.