r/mildyinteresting • • Jun 09 '26

humankind hiccups šŸ˜… My mailman got pulled over

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u/eponymous-octopus Jun 09 '26

There's actually Supreme Court caselaw saying that USPS drivers cannot be charged with anything while working. Sovereign immunity baby. That cop ain't getting nothing.

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u/Unhappy_Duty_7875 Jun 09 '26

I don’t think that’s true. Our rural delivery mailman got busted for cooking up meth in two liter Pepsi bottles in his mail truck. Lost his gov’t pension and job.

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u/iamthepita Jun 09 '26

Govt ain’t claiming ownership on the meth but maybe on two liter pepsi bottles and definitely the mail truck (even tho it’s ā€œhisā€, it ain’t really his) that probably got him into the position he was put into…. I’m not a lawyer tho

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u/AdAvailable5796 Jun 09 '26

Cop could got tipped about a package an warning mailman

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u/VincentValentine777x Jun 10 '26

Yeah. That’s true there’s many possibilities here, really.

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u/norsurfit Jun 09 '26

Govt ain’t claiming ownership on the meth

Policeman 1: "Uh, Bob, we need to confiscate the meth for a few minutes, don't we?"

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u/Critical_Bee_9591 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

You're saying it wasn't his own private domicile?

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u/Potential_Screen_128 Jun 09 '26

And he won't be harassed!

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u/SonicKiwi123 Jun 09 '26

This was the time Chuck the mailman was harassed in his own private domicile

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u/pseudoportmanteau Jun 09 '26

How the fuck does that even happen? How is it so easy to cook that shit where people seemingly do it with the most basic crap they find in a landfil?

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u/K4RAB_THA_ARAB Jun 09 '26

It's called shake and bake and its fucking insane to be doing it in a car period let alone at work lmao

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u/Dont-be-lasagna12 Jun 09 '26

They said while working. Was your mailman cooking meth off the clock?

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u/PaleontologistAble50 Jun 09 '26

It’s ā€œin performance of their dutiesā€ which does not extend to meth cooking

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u/NORBy9k Jun 09 '26

You're only looking at the job description for urban delivery... Meth is pretty standard on rural routes. /s

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u/Dont-be-lasagna12 Jun 09 '26

I didn't realize the /s was needed.

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u/Austerlitz2310 Jun 09 '26

This is reddit, there is no common sense here

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u/afternever Jun 09 '26

We will synthesize the crystal through sleet and snow

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u/Cynvisible Jun 09 '26

It says "in his mail truck."

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u/ConflictMaster3155 Jun 09 '26

Their sovereign immunity only extends to local/state traffic fines.

It doesn’t even stop them from getting a ticket, just from paying one.

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u/QizilbashWoman Jun 09 '26

yeah but what caused that, the cops or the post office's inspectors? because those guys are in charge and are the scary motherfuckers that dudes like the CIA pretend to be

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u/StochasticLife Jun 09 '26

Rural route delivery is different, those carriers are typically classified as contractors.

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u/kozyko Jun 10 '26

You don’t use Pepsi bottles for shake and bake, they’re not thick enough

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u/VincentValentine777x Jun 10 '26

I won’t ask you how you know.

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u/SpecialistAd2205 Jun 09 '26

People have been making meth in plastic bottles for forever. It's called shake and bake or cold cooking.

Source: grew up in Bum-fuck Nowhere Methland

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u/Difficult-Client-939 Jun 09 '26

You didn't realize that you were a dumbass as you were typing that as your source? lol

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u/Scottwickthegreat Jun 09 '26

Totally wrong

Source: I was an IV meth addict.

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u/shotgunsam23 Jun 09 '26

I mean one google search will tell you that postal workers can and do get traffic tickets lol. The only thing USPS mentions is that they will not pay for the ticket, the worker has to.

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u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins Jun 09 '26

can you explain this concept to me like I'm 5?

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u/dr_jiang Jun 09 '26

The poster has it very, very wrong. There's no Supreme Court case that says postal workers can't be charged with crimes, and mail carriers can be ticketed, cited, arrested, etc. just like anyone else.

What they're trying to talk about are two different things. The first is federal officer immunity. The rule is: a federal officer can't be held criminally liable under state law for acts that were necessary and proper to carrying out their federal duties.

The phrase "necessary and proper" is the important part. A postal worker doesn't need to break traffic laws to deliver the mail, and they aren't authorized to break traffic laws in order to deliver the mail. So it's not necessary, and it's not proper.

The second thing is sovereign immunity. That's a rule that says you can't sue the government as an entity. There are exceptions to the rule, but the principle itself has nothing to do with individual employees.

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u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins Jun 09 '26

yeah, I was gonna say you definitely can't just murder people in a mailtruck and be like "sorry bro, perks of a govt job"

thanks for the explanation

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u/iamthepita Jun 09 '26

Sovereign immunity is basically saying you can’t sue the government for the actions made by govt employees if I’m paraphrasing very loosely or simply wrong. Someone chime in pls.

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u/Double_Belt2331 Jun 09 '26

You are just so far away from being correct, it makes my head spin. šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

Yes, mail drivers (like U.S. Postal Service carriers) can be arrested and criminally charged while on duty for committing crimes or severe traffic violations. While they are federal employees with limited immunities for routine parking or minor traffic infractions, they are fully subject to both state and federal laws. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Mail carriers can be charged and arrested for several specific offenses, including:

Mail Theft & Fraud: Stealing mail, intercepting checks, or using stolen credit cards found on their route is a serious federal crime. These cases are investigated by federal agents and can result in federal prison time. [1, 2, 3]

Driving Under the Influence (DUI): Operating a government or personal vehicle while intoxicated on the job is a severe violation that will result in arrest and immediate termination. [1]

Assault & Violence: Physically assaulting a customer or a member of the public on their route violates state and federal law. [1, 2, 3]

Severe Traffic Violations: While local police often issue written citations rather than making immediate arrests to prevent mail delays, mail drivers can absolutely be ticketed or arrested for reckless driving or vehicular manslaughter

Please, google before posting again. I mean come on, mail theft & fraud? Did you think that mail drivers could commit that & it was okay? Or reckless driving? šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

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u/Interesting_Ad1378 Jun 09 '26

No, a local Long Island mail carrier was taken off his route and moved away from customers after repeated attempted attacks on people, kicking pets, kicking peoples doors and then he drove fast at people standing in the street with their dogs, they had to jump out of the way. Ā He didn’t get fired.Ā 

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u/Double_Belt2331 Jun 11 '26

What can I say? Bad prosecutor in LI couldn’t get an indictment. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø

It’s still illegal for a postal worker to do it & there is still no SCOTUS case law USPS cannot be charged w any crimes.

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u/tacotruckcaravan Jun 09 '26

Personal anecdote as a carrier: a 4 year carrier was pulled over and had warrants while delivering. Supervisor came and collected the mail and then carrier was cuffed and jailed overnight. Worked the next day and never lost his job.

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u/Fun-Jellyfish-61 Jun 09 '26

I'm a letter carrier. This statement is nonsense.

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u/Excellent_Condition Jun 09 '26

This seems logically incorrect for lots of reasons. Can you cite a case to support this claim?

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u/StillWeCarryOn Jun 09 '26

We definitely had a postal worker get arrested for OUI and hit and run not long ago while on the job where I grew up is

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u/Free_Lunch24 Jun 09 '26

Uh yeah I don't think that's the case. Plenty of police body cam videos on YouTube of USPS drivers getting pulled over for DUIs while working.

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u/Interesting_Ad1378 Jun 09 '26

My cousin had a mentally ill mailman who was physically attacking pets, flea, kicking things on peoples property, their doors and then tried to run over a group of people. Ā He didn’t get fired, he was moved indoors because she saw him at a different town post office.Ā 

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u/AdditionalCheetah354 Jun 09 '26

Google is your friend for learning before spouting

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u/speedy_19 Jun 09 '26

I mean from a quick google search that is not true. They have immunity for not delivering mail and that’s it from my interpretation. There is even a body camera channel that has a usps driver being arrested for dui while on the job.

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u/Shot_Revolution8828 Jun 09 '26

Woah that only applies to us!

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u/idk012 Jun 09 '26

What if they go by a ditch and toss mail into it, instead of delivering it?

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u/cluelessoblivion Jun 09 '26

That's literally the opposite of "in the performance of their duties" and also one of the exact situations the whole anti mail tampering law was implemented

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u/idk012 Jun 09 '26

Ok, what you added makes more sense.Ā  I was just going off the following

caselaw saying that USPS drivers cannot be charged with anything while working.

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u/dapperdave Jun 09 '26

"while working" means "in the performance of their duties."

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u/necbone Jun 09 '26

That's kinda hilarious in a sad but funny American way