r/worldnews • u/Not_Tom_Jones • 3d ago
Russia/Ukraine 'This cannot be a coincidence' — Ukraine's Starlink access restricted without warning, Zelensky adviser says
https://kyivindependent.com/this-cannot-be-a-coincidence-ukraines-starlink-access-restricted-without-warning-zelensky-adviser-says/18.9k
u/Fullchester_United 3d ago
The US has officially become the enemy acting in partnership with Russia.
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u/raerae1991 3d ago
US and Musk, which may make Musk. Compliance in war crimes? I’m guessing
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u/15_Redstones 3d ago
This situation was Starshield, not Starlink.
The difference is Starlink sats are operated by Musk, Starshield sats are basically identical but ownership is handed over to US military once they're in space. The keys to Starshield are with the US govt.
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u/The_GASK 3d ago
Sorry but that's incorrect. Starshield constellation is still owned and managed by SpaceX, the sats can be leased for a time to the SDA if needed, but none have been yet. There are also only ~30 Starshield sats in orbit, because Congress refuses to pay for an expansion that would basically be a blank check to Musk.
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u/__foo__ 3d ago
There are also only ~30 Starshield sats in orbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starlink_and_Starshield_launches#Starshield
I didn't add them up exactly, but that list has well over 250 Starshield satellites operational.
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u/CryMeaRiver2Crawl 3d ago
Stop buying Teslas. Now!
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u/Fullchester_United 3d ago
Ukraine should hit as many Russian refineries as possible right now. That should be their response.
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u/box-art 3d ago
It's the most common electric car I see and I don't understand why, it is not because of price because they are not cheap.
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u/Ghost_of_Akina 3d ago
A lot of it has to do with how instrumental Tesla was for helping EVs get off the ground. Between building a high-tech, reliable EV that looked like a normal car (compare to model S to early EVs from other companies like the EV-1, Leaf, or i-MIEV), AND investing in a network of chargers so those owners actually had confidence they'd be able to charge when they were out and about, AND offering that network access for free for some time, Tesla really did make EV a viable option in a market where prior to them they were more like a novelty car. Because of that, most people still think "Tesla" when they want to convert to electric, to the point where many of them couldn't even tell you what elevtric offerings other automakers have.
For me, the lack of consistency in build quality combined witht he EA-like approach to making you pay to unlock features that they alredy built the car with the hardware for made me avoid the brand long before the last election cycle. I ended up buying an Ioniq 5 last year. And thankfully now that Ionna and Walmart are expanding around here I don't even need to rely on the Tesla network for charging on road trips. Both other options cost less and charge my car twice as fast (v3 superchargers are 400V charegers and cap at 125kW, Walmart and Ionna are 800V chargers and I can hit 250kW, and the per-kWh cost is about 20 cents per kWh lower than Tesla). So yeah while I appreciate what Tesla did to bring EV to the mainstream, there's nough non-Tesla network support out there now and solid offerings from competitors that make them a har recommend even without the political angle.
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u/StoreSearcher1234 3d ago
Stop buying Teslas. Now!
I bought my EV in the summer of 2019 (still have it, it's still running well).
Back then I refused to buy a Tesla because Musk was an arrogant jackass surrounded by millions of loser minions boosting his nonsense ("pedo-guy").
Fast forward to fascist-chainsaw-Musk and there are a multitude of EVs to buy that aren't a Tesla.
(I do understand and accept that some people have to buy Starlink. Unlike Teslas there are not yet any viable options. Soon, maybe, but not yet.)
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u/Symphonic7 3d ago edited 3d ago
Realistically me not buying a Tesla won't ever make any difference, but for me its about principle. Meanwhile my friend and his wife just got a model Y for her and a model 3 for him. You can't stop rampant consumerism.
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u/Cool_Virus_8641 3d ago
hes a trillionaire. you can't vote with your wallet your way out of fascism
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u/dRaidon 3d ago
Only in stocks. if his stocks tank, he's nowhere near as 'rich'.
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u/tritonice 3d ago
Tesla has been grossly overpriced for a decade. Based on traditional stock fundamentals, it makes no sense, but there is a whole infrastructure propping it up.
John Q. Public can't affect Tesla's stock price any more than it can affect Musk by boycotting Tesla.
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u/anhtuanle84 3d ago
It's to prevent further damage to bot farms that affect the upcoming midterm propaganda
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u/SilviuCT 3d ago
These next elections in the USA are crucial, the house and the senate must be won.
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u/HerpankerTheHardman 3d ago
What do we do if we win but no one actually leaves? What do we do if they dont relinquish their positions?
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u/mburke6 3d ago
What do we do if we win but no one actually leaves? What do we do if they dont relinquish their positions?
Been wondering that myself. Do we take to the streets and fight to get our Democracy back? Do we all go on a general strike and halt the economy until they respect the outcome of the election? Do we order a pizza and some wings and watch the next sportsball game?
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u/24_August_1814 3d ago
Perhaps an angry email, and attending a peaceful protest for a couple hours one Saturday located somewhere out of the way so as not to inconvenience anyone
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u/HerpankerTheHardman 3d ago edited 3d ago
I guess that depends on how much/how long we are able to suffer until we break and actually do something. Also, without effective leadership/strategists, there's no way to make any move that would make any dent if there isnt a followup, it would do nothing and they KNOW this. This is why they squelch groups the moment they pick up steam. Why do you think they've gone after the gay community so diligently?
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u/aloneandlovingit19 3d ago
Or made Antifa (which stands for anti fascism) a domestic terrorist organization.
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u/Fitz911 3d ago edited 3d ago
Thanks for calling out the country.
Not Trump, not the GOP. America! America does this. In the name of all Americans.
Edith: Since there seems to be some confusion, fueled by tiktok. There's no sarcasm in my message. It might shock some of you but I'm also one of the dozens of humans that is not, I repeat NOT an American. Yeah, I'm part of one of the wild tribes that is thought to exist outside if the greatest nation on earth TM.
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u/Jeffuk88 3d ago
Same as when we say Russia. Your entire government seems okay with it. That, or youre no longer a democracy and there are no checks and balances
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u/EgotisticalTL 3d ago
No, there are no checks and balances anymore. Not since the Republicans have control of all three branches.
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u/Illustrious-Math6276 3d ago
Americans always brag about the guns they have and that they can be used against a leader who goes against the people.
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u/Red_Dox 3d ago
The people who brag the most about that, are goose-stepping along the fascist regime that is currently placed in front of them.
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u/meistermichi 3d ago
Those people are literally the snake on the Gadsden flag being happily trampled over by the Republicans
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u/HeftyArgument 3d ago
they've proved what they would do with absolute power, exactly what they advertised they would when their power wasn't absolute.
the people chose them anyway, via voting and also not voting; chances are they'll get in again.
protests after the fact aren't as good as voting in the first place before it happens.
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u/LGBT-Barbie-Cookout 3d ago
2/3rds of America either wanted him, or didnt care enough for him not to be in charge.
The administration is actively limiting people's ability to vote (one of the few non violent mechanisms of change) without meaningful resistance.
Calling out all of America is absolutely valid.
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u/indehhz 3d ago edited 3d ago
It's insane to me that there is so much blatant racism cope over several decades, and now that they've grown so confident they're literally openly kidnapping citizens and trafficking children with proof available too.
Most guns per capita for what, concealed carry for what, protests for what? They've been quiet for too long, allowing predators to live among them, to 'forgive' for them bible thumpers, just disgusting people.
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u/Jessica_Ariadne 3d ago
We have gun rights so that the police have a reason to be "scared" and shoot people they encounter, actually. /s but not really.
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u/Paladin_Platinum 3d ago
I feel like you've probably been told this before, but the Gun Americans are generally the Trump Americans.
They want to have them to rise up against what they perceive as a potential "communist" government, or to "protect" themselves from minorities.
There are a few left-leaning gun owners, not enough to matter on the grand scale, but they do exist.
Liberals and liberal adjacent have been fed a stream of anti-gun rhetoric so gun ownership (especially of the actually useful variety) will be very low amongst them.
Last, but not least, are the "non-political" American. They often own guns, but do not care to involve themselves in politics unless it directly affects them (COVID, hopefully gas prices). This group will view ANY violent uprising as terrorist bad actors and will want them put down. Unfortunately this category makes up the majority of Americans.
Things are rarely as simple as "do violence," as I'm sure you know.
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u/AngelsHero 3d ago
Trump has already admitted to election interference, and to rigging the election. I doubt the 2/3rds to be true solely based on that
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u/Bigclit_energy 3d ago
Trump also admitted to ending 8 wars. We can't go taking his word as truth now.
Voter turnout was abysmal as usual across the board. Primaries, midterms, presidentials, doesn't matter. Americans are apathetic about democracy. 2/3rds seems very believable.
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u/sturla-tyr 3d ago
Trump isn't the only one who has admitted to it. Musk, the richest person on the planet, clearly had something to do with it. Funny how he is funding right-wing parties in Europe and helping Russia now. Must be a complete coincidence.
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u/kiwimonk 3d ago
Nobody needed to admit to the interference... They stormed the Capitol. They "investigated" and replaced electors. Musk openly bribed voters. There have been huge gerrymandering pushed in red states. They have a plant at the USPS ready to shred ballots. They are going to deploy ICE to polling places... So, no. The United States was overthrown... It really doesn't exist anymore. The majority of it's ex citizens agree with you and have been suffering through this crap like everyone else who isn't a brainwashed sympathizer.
Basically if you're labeling every citizen at fault for this.. you're basically doing the same simple minded classifying racist, Nazis and Trump supporters do..
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u/AbnormalBodyOdor 3d ago
2/3rds
I'm not here to argue with any of this, I'm in full agreement... but, can we just stop saying "two thirdsrds" for a moment please
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u/Bigclit_energy 3d ago
You know now that you've pointed it out I can't unsee how weird that looks. Felt normal to type at the time.
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u/armand8687844 3d ago
Then why is he still the president? Why has he not faced the consequences of interfering with the election?
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u/JimKellyCuntry 3d ago
Because America is broken.
The laws that exist hold no weight if they are not enforced.
We've allow our police to become a military force.
We have been conditioned to be us vs them.
We've allowed corporations to have more rights and power than citizens.
We look to push down our neighbors if that gets us ahead instead of helping those who have less.
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u/needlestack 3d ago
We have been conditioned to be us vs them.
Sadly, it us vs. them. Witness the lady who shouted about the Epstein files at a rally a day or two ago, was tackled and beat publicly while Trump egged them on and the crowd cheered, and then the police arrived to drag the victim away and leave the perpetrators to high-five each other.
This is America. You're not overcoming that with kindness and understanding.
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u/thatguyonthecouch 3d ago
Because his party is covering for him and holds majorities in all branches and courts
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u/randomgtaguy2431 3d ago
Yeah, that is the point. A democracy is healthy as long as its citizens participate in it. The general apathy is abysmal. The fact that he was elected again after all that happened in his first term plus the grand finale on Jan 6th says a lot.
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u/Anonymous_Jr 3d ago edited 3d ago
The Heritage foundation and their predecessor orgs had been working on installing "sleeper agents" in all levels of gov't.
When Elon aided Trump in intercepting voter data and modifying it to a certain degree, they had 'finally' obtained a majority hold on the US gov't.
In courtrooms, Republican/MAGA judges shift the needle.
In classrooms, Republican/MAGA teachers* indoctrinate the kids.
In legal theory, Republican/MAGA unofficials remove our protections.
This is a systematic sweep of every person with a heart, soul, and human body; ousting REAL Americans in favor of their Nationalist And Zealotic Insurrection.
Oh huh, look at that Acronym... Curious!!!
If you don't want things to go further, do the unspeakable, do what is censored.
Cause them to...
Disappear.
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u/Smrtihara 3d ago
I like to liken in to a group of ten survivors in a zombie apocalypse who sees an eleventh dude. They propose two things: help the guy OR murder him and steal his stuff. It’s put to a vote. Three people refuse to vote, four people vote to brutally murder him and three vote to help him.
Naturally they murder the dude and divvy up his possessions between themselves.
Now… is that group of ten survivors good people? Only four out of ten people voted for murder!
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u/Diligent_Hedgehog999 3d ago
Except that a more realistic example is that 1 of the people wasn’t allowed to vote because he smoked pot in 1993, 2 of the people were so dumb they didn’t understand why it was important to vote. The 4 people vote to murder him and they all assume that his stuff will be split among the 4 of them, but one of them is a really large and a bully and he says he is keeping it all and the other 3 just agree because one day they think they will be in charge and will be able to keep everything they plunder. The 3 that wanted to help the are still in shock and are trying to figure out how the hell are we going to get out of this? So no we don’t have 10 shitty people. We have 4 shitty people, 2 dumbasses, and 4 people that are essentially being held hostage at the moment by the other 6.
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u/hobovalentine 3d ago
It's not two thirds of Americans.
The electoral college makes millions of votes irrelevant and gives more power to smaller states so that the state's votes overwhelm the popular vote.
It's a messed up system and undemocratic but it looks like it's here to stay.
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u/Evilmoustachetwirler 3d ago edited 3d ago
We've listened to American's bang on about why they need to own guns in case of tyrannical government forever. Well here it fucken is and the gravy seals are nowhere to be found. Greta Thunberg had bigger balls.
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u/ButteredPizza69420 3d ago
See now the thing is, they've successfully brainwashed most of the gun toting population into thinking the enemy is their neighbor & not the government.
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u/DaemonPrimarchJ 3d ago
This is the problem, even formerly left wing media there is now owned by Trump fans and/or rich fucks. Maybe not all of it but most. And right wing media there... Fucking hell as an English dude I was kinda shocked seeing a couple minutes of Fox news.
Something needs to be done about that... I'm not sure what but surely some law can be made, probably not right now as I don't think the Republicans would allow it but damn we don't want the most powerful nation on Earth deciding they need more Lebensraum.
Motherfuckers. None of us would have believed this 20 years ago if a time traveller told us, we'd assume he was taking the piss (so he shows us then we all get disappeared by ICE as immigrants)
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u/tpeterr 3d ago
American here. We HAD laws about media fairness, reporting truth, market share limits, etc. They got blown apart by a decades-long strategy pushed by right-wing politicians thinking they were playing a winning game. Instead, they empowered an.
Our mainstream media is now a monopolistic disaster of lying infotainment soundbites regurgitated in a booth hundreds or thousands of miles away from actual events..
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u/ButteredPizza69420 3d ago
Thats why Gen Z has their own reporters - like that one guy w the suit and mustache. We dont fucking watch their garbage propaganda. Were sick of it playing at our parents homes 24/7.
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u/DaemonPrimarchJ 3d ago
Me too bro/sis - my mother reads the Daily Mail and that's bad enough. She talks about trans stuff more than trans people, hates immigrants (she married one), voted for Brexit and says foreigners have low hygiene standards.
I get on fine with Muslims in my country, they don't want Sharia law, and the Sharia courts are made up but with a grain of very twisted truth.
Not sure who the suit and mustache guy is? I avoid right wing stuff like the plague, I also avoid Hassan who's left wing but makes the left look awful.
The left should fight fire with fire AKA propaganda - which should be easy as we don't even have to lie. However, there's not exactly many left wing media owning billionaires, I'm pretty sure the only reason billionaires own media is to persuade the unwashed masses to let them make more money at our expense.
I'm so sick of this shit. You'd think we could crowd fund some decent media...
That's not a bad idea....
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u/amcfarla 3d ago
The day Trump took Putin's side over the US intelligence agency this became a fact.
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u/PommesMayo 3d ago
“Attacking another country is wrong unless we need oil from the attacker”
It’s so obvious why Epstein happened. Rich people don’t operate based on morals. It’s purely self interest
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u/GargleBlargleFlargle 3d ago
Don’t you see? They attacked Iran to drive up the price of oil, which gives Putin money directly. Ukraine screwed up the plan by disabling Russian refineries.
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u/Raevyxn 3d ago
Drive up the price of oil and intentionally manipulate market volatility to game stock prices.
Every few days, “Look we made a peace deal, everything will be fine with oil.” Then “Oh no, the deal fell through and everything is in turmoil again.” Over and over.
And before every announcement, him and his cronies are buying and selling stocks, raking in profits.
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u/Satisfactionsa222222 3d ago
it also weaken europe in the process
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u/GargleBlargleFlargle 3d ago
Precisely. People underestimate Putin way too much.
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u/Savings-Ad-1115 3d ago
He doesn't need oil. He needs an excuse to blame Ukraine and to help Russia.
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u/ArgentineBeauty 3d ago
Musk is fuming that Ukraine has taken out the Russian bots boosting engagement on X.
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u/15_Redstones 3d ago
This is the StarShield system, slightly different from Starlink. Basically the same tech but Starshield is directly controlled by the USSF. Musk doesn't have control over it. The decision must've come from the White House.
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u/ThatOneTimeItWorked 3d ago
Why does the title explicitly say StarLink and Not StarShield?
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u/15_Redstones 3d ago
Journalists don't know the difference.
Both are using the same antennas (just different account setups determining which sats it can talk to) so most people using Starshield call it Starlink too
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u/RisKQuay 3d ago
That requires us to pay for journalism, and value deep, nuanced stories rather than outrage-bait headlines.
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u/MZ603 3d ago
There are absolutely concerns that Elon has too much control of the infrastructure - it’s the same underlying infrastructure as StarLink.
SpaceX as the contractor manufacturing, maintaining, and supporting the system would still have the ability to throttle. They were either directed to do this or it was done in coordination w/ the DoD. Both Trump and Elon are pissed at Ukraine.
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u/techdevjp 3d ago
SpaceX does not have two separate networks up there. They just use different branding for different customers. Potato potato.
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u/axelkoffel 3d ago edited 3d ago
So what's even the point of buing any military tech from USA, when anytime they can elect some russain puppet that gives an order to disable the crucial systems?
I mean, imagine you bought some very expensive defense system from USA. Russia attacks you, their rockets fly at your capital city. And in the worst moment some orange redneck idol from across the ocean says "Hey, your fighting for survival disrupts global economy. Better stop and surrender to Russia." and then presses a button to disable your defences as rockets hit your capital city.
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u/FreeRangeEngineer 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, I'm really amazed the military-industrial complex is okay with what's happening. I cannot imagine that this is great for international arms sales at all.
These companies literally cannot prove that there's no kill switch and it's now proven beyond doubt that the US government is able and willing to make use of one if it exists.
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u/SunTzu- 3d ago
I cannot imagine that this is great for international arms sales at all.
You'd be correct in assuming this is bad for them. Europe has explicitly started reevaluating their procurements and prioritizing European alternatives. This includes rearranging priorities in order to finally get their StarLink alternative off the ground. Besides StarLink, the two areas where there aren't clear European alternatives currently are as a replacement for the F35 (Gripen is the closest) and aircraft carriers, and Europe doesn't really care that much about aircraft carriers. But when it comes to all small arms, ground vehicles, support vehicles, munitions...all of those procurement pipelines are being redirected towards European alternatives.
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u/Mountain-Singer1764 3d ago
Sweden is going to make so much money.
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u/Cautious-Extreme2839 3d ago
These companies literally cannot prove that there's no kill switch
Eh, some countries demand their own copies of all the firmware to inspect/modify/whatever so they can be reasonably assured there isn't a kill switch or that they could remove one.
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u/asoap 3d ago
I listened to a podcast recently that coined the term getting "Gordie Howed".
Canada built a bridge to the USA. The Gordie Howe bridge. Paid for the whole thing, even used American steel, concrete, and workers for the American side. At the last minute the Trump admin blocked it's opening in order to get Canada to pay the USA for the honor or operating a bridge that the US didn't spend a cent on. It looks like they got their way.
But the take away is that the US will use whatever lever it has for short term gain while ignoring long term problems.
So to answer the question of why anyone should buy US military tech? They shoudln't. If the US finds that they can get money, power, etc out of you by pulling some lever that makes your military useless, they will. They will Gordie Howe you.
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u/EcstaticLab5122 3d ago
France said that forever. Y'all didn't listen and Europe kept buying American instead of European.
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u/NoodleTF2 3d ago
France said that not because they wanted a strong Europe, but because they wanted people to buy French. Would have been way better, absolutely, but they didn't do it for any moral reasons.
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u/LimpConversation642 3d ago
it happened already a few years back. We were preparing some big strike inside Crimea (which was also top secret) and the day of the operation starlink was disabled because someone called musk and told him russia's gonna start a nuclear war. I'm not even joking, this was his justification.
People die every day because crucial technology is in the hands of a manchild.
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u/MsMarfi 3d ago
The first time he did this was when I really started to question the existence of the very, very rich. Like, so rich that they can act like a nation state. No one should have that kind of money.
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u/VermicelliHorror2332 3d ago
But he does have that money. He is more powerful than some nation states.
By allowing the vast accumulation of private wealth, capitalism eventually produces such a monster.
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u/ShakespeareStillKing 3d ago
The French had a very good solution to that problem. Simple. Elegant. Easy.
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u/Agreeable_Apricot_59 3d ago
We have a sitting United States president and Elon Musk actively helping Russia's attacks on Ukraine. And nobody seems to give a damn. Unreal what has happened to America.
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u/kreigan29 3d ago
dont forget the people in power supporting Trump, are the same ones screaming that Democrats are a bunch of communist. Despite Trump working for(checks notes) an actual communist.
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u/austic 3d ago
for a country that stomps there feet so much about the right to have guns to protect themselves from the government they are pretty quiet right now... I guess they are only ok with guns when they are being used as a school "project"
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u/DonSilencio 3d ago
America closes the Diesel-Deal with Russia
The Next night Ukraine doesnt get any information about Russian Strikes - later its said it was ue to an technical Error
The next Day StarLinks limits its services towards the Ukraine
And just by dumb luck in the Night of that day, before the StarLink limitis been known by the puplic, Russia starts its biggest strike against critical infastructe yet
Is there anybody that actually thinks that "Diesel-Deal" was actually about the Diesel and not another Deal regarding the war with the Diesel just beeeing there for PR reasons? With that Deal America officialy sided with Russia. USA is not a "bad partner" anymore - they are nothing but an enemie for Ukraine and the NATO
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u/Phos-Lux 3d ago
The US has been siding with Russia for years already, they just never made it official (why would they). We all saw how they treated Zelenskyy in the oval office VS how Putin was treated when he came to Alaska. We also know that Musk, during his time working for the government, had frequent calls with Putin. We also know that Epstein worked with the Russian government.
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u/ArcticAcademic 3d ago
Helsinki 2018, their private meeting without witnesses. Trump exits the room looking like a doomed man, like a man without options.
Putin is bursting with glee here, like someone who has just grabbed someone by the balls and is now enjoying the squeeze.
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u/DonSilencio 3d ago
It 100% is just the step of the "official" escalation.
Everybody knew before that Trump is closer to Putin. I mean he likes to call him his "Friend" with every chance he gets.
But that Deal now is the official statement saying "yes we work with Russia".
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u/6xvd6 3d ago
russian propagandists openly talk about how this diesel deal won't help usa or election in any capacity and it was only about making jared kushner more money, effectively making trump more money.
https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3mxroqw4fkc2i
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u/paperNine 3d ago
To put it simply, they wanted a pretext to stop helping Ukraine. They made up this "deal" to be able to say they have an interest in the refineries and Ukraine is attacking their interest.
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u/ABIGASSMEXICAN 3d ago
Wow, Musk supports Russia in their war against Ukraine. Not suprised, but it's still traitorous shit. Russia is and has been for a long time an enemy of the United States. He's doing traitor Don's bidding. They are both traitors.
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u/National-Charity-435 3d ago
That and he's pissed the traffic on his little social media went down due to that yandex bot farm being struck
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u/mark_able_jones_ 3d ago
With all the doge deaths and this, he should be tried for crimes against humanity.
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u/aerx9 3d ago
This is a violation of the Logan Act. Private persons cannot conduct foreign policy.
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u/Wheat_Grinder 3d ago
We have a legal doctrine for that, it's called treason. I hope I see Musk convicted of it in my lifetime.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 3d ago
18 USC 2381: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against it, or adheres to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort, is guilty of treason, and shall suffer death...
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u/ericsando 3d ago
The next AG needs to bring treason charges against Musk, prosecute, pull his citizenship, then deport him. The president should then nationalize Starlink and Space X on Musk's way out the door.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 3d ago
You're absolutely wrong; you can't pull someone's citizenship and deport them after they've been executed in accordance with statute.
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u/give_me_grapes 3d ago
Just want to point out that we live in a world where a tech monopoly desides the outcome of an war. This kind of power does not belong to an individual or a company. Tech Dystopia.
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u/droppedketchuppacket 2d ago
rich men have been deciding outcomes of wars for centuries
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u/TheBaneofBane 2d ago
if this were in a sci-fi novel it’d be seen as unrealistic
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u/Dramatic_Surprise 3d ago
If this doesnt give the entire world a wake up call about why you cant afford to be reliant on US based businesses, espeically for critical services i dont know what is.
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u/CumpyGrunt 3d ago
What a petulant little cunt Musk is.
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u/egosumumbravir 3d ago
I'd say he's a massive cunt myself.
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u/Highland_Fether_68 3d ago
he's a footsy clunge that opens like a moudly cold cheese toastie.
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u/sblinn 3d ago
The Republican Party could stop this at any time by allowing Trump to be impeached (again) and (finally) convicted. And then of course Hegseth, etc. And if Vance would not uphold our treaties and responsibilities, he'd be next, until we actually got someone who would.
(Even after the most wildly optimistic midterms results -- Democrats winning all 7 tossups and even if they win both likely Republican seats SC and NE) it would still require at least some Republicans to actually participate in meaningfully good governing. And to even have a free and fair election it may take at least some Republicans to participate in defending it.)
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u/kdizzle619 3d ago
Or we as citizens could collectively stop voting these clowns into power (Republicans). So that way we can stop wondering why they are destroying our country. They have been doing it for years and people are now just recognizing.
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u/sblinn 3d ago
Right, but because of the way US geography works in terms of political power, even a wildly optimistic outcome for the midterms won't result in 67 Democratic Senators. There are only really two legal avenues to removing the president from office, one of which requires 67 votes in the Senate, and the other of which requires Trump's own sycophantic cabinet of incompetents to turn on him, and even that would only be for a matter of days until, again, we'd need a 2/3 supermajority to permanently remove him from office.
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u/OttawaOneTwenty 3d ago
And that's why when you choose american services, softwares or information processing, you become prey to these kinds of things
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u/asmodeus184 3d ago
Orange plague and his cronies destroyed all credibility US has built over two centuries in just under two years. Ngl this is kind of impressive.
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u/Comrade_Durge 3d ago
American voters did that in the first place. They voted him in TWICE. The carcrash of his first term wasn’t enough apparently
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u/Jet2work 3d ago
europe needs a starlink equivalent
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u/ToSeeAgainAgainAgain 3d ago
ASTS is the solution, their satellites respect data privacy and are much faster than the Starlink Mobile ones. They also need magnitudes less satellites than Starlink Mobile to offer better service (less than 200 would cover the majority of the world's countries twice, vs the needed thousands for Starlink Mobile)
In fact, Europe is already negotiating buying a whole sovereign constellation from them.
https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/asts-stock-eyes-best-month-052554809.html
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u/Tangolarango 3d ago
this example should be used whenever people point to the fear of a "kill switch" or similar as alarmist, in the context of buying american equipments for defence
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u/kwakimaki 3d ago
I hate this. We used to be able to trust the US, they were great allies during ww1 and ww the sequel. Now, they've elected a fat, feckless, orange, self serving moron TWICE, and they're openly allowing billionaires to play with peoples lives.
Anyone who speaks against the demented orange buffoon is silenced, he started a pointless war he can't win, supports a war started by his Russian buddy and is turning America into everything it should stand against.
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u/Routine_Clue876 3d ago
Bastards the lot in cahoots with the worst of humanity, trump, elon, putin. If the democrats dont grow a pair of bullocks and end this and prosecute the lot like they should have after 2020 there isnt a hope in hell for humanity over the next decade.
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u/Banjo-Oz 3d ago
Don't forget Thiel and his techbro demonic ilk also in cahoots.
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u/OGoby 3d ago
Also not the first time Musk cuts it without warning:
Fuck Trump and Musk, absolutely vile people
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u/GuardExpert1407 3d ago
This is why it’s a bad idea for nations to allow wealthy civilians to control infrastructure that is critical to national defense or other nations’ defense. That Starlink, and for that matter SpaceX, operate without meaningful government control is insane.
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u/Infidel8 3d ago
The Russian bot farms were extremely important to Musk with the US election coming up.
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u/subsector 3d ago
This is partly why Europe is focusing on digital sovereignty. But pulling the rug without notice in a time a war is the act of an enemy.
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u/Main_Dragon_1999 3d ago
Trump is now officially financing Russia on the battlefield by buying oil from Putin. Elon Musk is just following Donald‘s mood. USA has interest in destabilizing Europe and the easiest way for them is to abandon Ukraine and continue their support for the russian terror.
This is not the USA I grew up with…
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u/hypno_tode 3d ago
Donate to Ukrainian Air Defense so they can defend themselves.
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u/Icommentor 3d ago
"How dare Ukraine bomb my bot farms, which are most definitely not bot farms okay?"
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u/syntaxbad 3d ago edited 2d ago
[Edit: Looks like the article's title is misleading. As someone pointed out, this betrayal was at the order of the Toddler in Chief since it is Starshield (the US military licensed version). Presumably he's concerned that people have started to notice that his administration is a concerted effort to destroy the US, so he wants Diesel prices to go down at the cost of Ukrainian lives. However, I stand by my initial statement that having Starlink in the hands of Musk is a clear national (global) security threat. Cruel traitors won't always have control of the US Federal government and as bad as things are now, a government is more responsive over the long run to democratic input than a Billionaire.]
Wild that we let the world's richest teenager keep control of Starlink. The billionaire class has no respect for laws so I'm not sure why the government should.
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u/DickFagballson 3d ago edited 3d ago
He’s upset that his Russian MAGA twitter bots got taken out in the Ukrainian strikes on Russian bot farms right before the midterms.
He's totally outing himself as a Putin stooge, although that was already obvious.
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u/ozymandiez 3d ago
Seems like Europe may want to announce a decoupling of starlink for millions of its subs while they ramp up their own capabilities. Musk only understands money and if this affects his pocketbook he will reverse course
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u/Sleepybear2010 3d ago
Without those russian data centers the conservatives are in trouble this election so this isn't a surprise. Send money to Ukraine so they can save the whole world from this bot plague.
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u/Dexter_McThorpan 3d ago
Make sure you vote. And be careful. Fascists won't hesitate to murder their neighbors.
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u/willowmarie27 3d ago
The EU really needs its own version of "starlink" but better with less war crimes.
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u/rossmcleod 3d ago
Imagine being the one who has to flip that switch. How could you sleep at night?
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u/TheChrisCrash 3d ago
Raise your hand if you saw this coming from a mile away. Why else do you think midterms are here and all of a sudden Musk is hanging around the white house again.
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u/JellyboyJangleDangle 3d ago
Elon Musk is a Nazi paedophile, and Trump is his Hitler.
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u/BeforeTheDawnX 3d ago
So, the moment Ukraine begin to win this happens, fuck Trump, fuck musk, seriously what a bunch evil bastards
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u/Standard_Feedback_86 3d ago edited 3d ago
They strike Data Centers of right wing bots, Musk gets pissed about it and Starlink access, a Musk product, gets restricted shortly afterwards. Yeah no coincidence. Thats for sure. And should tell every country that you cant trust Musk and his companies. The second you make this manbaby cry he will sabotage you.
And Murica should pay attention. If he starts controlling your whole communication and internet, how easy will it become for him to shut it down if he wants to. For example to support a fascist Trump regime.
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u/No_Highlight_3777 3d ago
This is why we should never allow starlink in india. Hope the indian govt doesn't bend this time.
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u/Captcha_Imagination 3d ago
Elon has showed the world why we can't depend on one rich man for satellite internet.
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u/Great-Hotel-7820 3d ago
I don’t understand how giving Russia money when they’re giving Iran weapons to kill Americans isn’t treason.
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u/redpandafire 3d ago
This has consequences for SpaceX. You really think governments see this and go “yeah I’ll sign up, please”. There are multiple competitors.
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u/Broken_By_Default 3d ago
Starlink is a national security risk. We cannot have this kind of communication technology in the hands of one man.
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u/Lonely_skeptic 3d ago
"The terminals… are produced by Elon Musk's SpaceX but managed by the US government…
https://www.theguardian.com/
world/2026/oct/14/ukraine-soldiers-combat-access-starlink= satellite-internet-restricted
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u/islandsimian 3d ago
Z destroys a bot farm. Trump's online support plummets. Elon Musk says "too far" (not the killing of civilians by Russia!). Trump turns off missile defense warnings. Musk turns off Starlink
Explain how Trump and Elon aren't Russian agents?
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u/My_alias_is_too_lon 3d ago
... I hate this stupid country...
One fat, orange, senile, pedophile rapist can totally fuck over another sovereign nation (who is an ally, by the way), all because his boyfriend told him to, and no one in the government will stop him. Trump is absolutely a Russian asset and a traitor to the United States of America.
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u/BigDee1990 3d ago
The whole Trump administration are traitors. I hope after midterms and the next presidential in two years, hell gets loose on them. F*ck those traitors. The current US administration are enemies of Europe.
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u/anders_hansson 3d ago
This is blackmail, plain and simple. Trump quietly cuts intelligence and Starlink access for Ukraine to remind them that they need to do as they're told. Ugly business.