For some reason the RuneScape 3 community is supposed to act like angels when we're opposed to an overwhelmingly disliked update.

Mod Anvil's comment about how our reaction was over the line is fine as a stand alone comment, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Reality is that OSRS players have shat on us for over a decade. Every single time RS3 is mentioned on OSRS there's comment about how they just hope the game would die and that it's just a terrible game. They are entitled to their own opinion, and I hold no grudge against people not wanting to play RuneScape 3 for the gameplay. Completely valid. However, when we apply the comment of Mod Anvil to the community of OSRS and how they interact with RuneScape 3's community, suddenly things are different. OSRS are "allowed" to say as much negative things about the player-base of RS3, how we are "losers" "sunk cost fallacy" and how our game is "dying, and they cant wait".

We have all read comment like this before. And obviously I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to comment things like that. They should, but for some reason we get official comments from J-mods that our behaviour is unacceptable. Isn't this odd to anyone else? Where is the official comment from OSRS community managers that them destroying the reputation of RS3 by spreading literally false information is not okay? Just wondering.

Finally, anyone who has been outside the Subreddit has seen the overwhelming sentiment from "new potential players" they gave up before even the cancellation, at the mere mention of changes being made. They were completely unwilling to budge on any point. Zero compromises.

Why is it weird that we defend ourselves, but not weird that others attack us? Just something to think about, I guess.

Again, I want to say that I in no way want to have people not be allowed to make comments like that.

What are everyone else's thoughts on this overall?

I strongly believe, as a "20+ years veteran" that at its core, RuneScape Reignited is a good idea. I think the fresh start is appealing for many people (even though there are some reasons I've seen that are debatable) and that it could have had some success.

This being said, the original pitch that Jagex announced and the TIMING of the announcement was absolutely horrible.

Jagex should have initiated a discussion about reignited at the same time the RtR was announced and should have been working WITH the current community, to build a reignited idea that would be considered decent by the active community and by the outsiders of the RS series. Would it respond 100% to the demands on both sides? Probably not, but having a 50% satisfaction is better than zero.

Announcing this at Runefest out of the blue, with no input from the Community beforehand, while the RtR is still ongoing, with the early-mid game still to be massively rebalanced and revamped/improved, is one of the worst case of PR I've ever seen in recent years.

Following the response by Jagex to the initial backlash last week, I was already seeing some goodwill and I thought they would have built on that feedback with the community. Instead, we got a "we hear you, let's build on this idea together" followed by "you know what? We're just scrapping it", which I think is the wrong move. It should have been postponed until the RtR is done and in the meantime, with community input, revamped so the idea is keeping its appeal to new players and respecting the active playerbase.

Lastly, this is addressed directly to Jagex: you believe reignited is the only way to bring new players? You believe it's the only saving grace? Fine, but show us your data, show us your projection, show us the "immense appeal" it had outside of the RS community. Explain to us why you originally decided to do reignited. Show us what are your projections in regards to player numbers, how it affects your income and ultimately the development of RS3. Show us tangible facts and data so that everyone can understand better where RS3 stands right now, because right now, there are two sides using hyperboles trying to prove their points, while nobody has a real idea if RS3 is really in danger and if the development will stop.

TLDR: Reignited should have been postponed until the RtR is finished. Jagex should also show us their data explaining why reignited was the only move they could think of and how it's cancellation will now affect the development/support of the game.

Idk, one of the complaints I see from the folks who did like reignited was they're going to join to an empty world. Why don't we just make characters and play them alongside them to help them feel more a part of things? You'd still get the 10 free days of membership too.

edit: holy crap lol this is the most miserable community I've ever seen.

Got from 80 is sum to 99 for free. Disnt get 99 last your cus wanted slayer as my first 99 on this account but i didnt know you lose that first 99 cape style after getting multiple

I hope Jagex takes a step back and looks at why people were excited about Reignited. For a lot of us, the appeal was starting alongside other players and being part of something that felt new. I don’t think ten days of free membership will create that same excitement.

There’s a difference between making a new account on your own and joining a big launch where other people are starting too. You see people doing the same quests, gathering resources and working towards similar goals. You don’t need to be competing for world firsts to enjoy that. Having people around to share the experience with is a big part of what makes an MMO fun.

But getting people to show up is only half of it. The early and mid game need a much more substantial overhaul if Jagex wants people to stay. Even more so than whats been shown so far.

As someone playing a new account, I want the journey itself to be enjoyable. Gathering and making things should feel worthwhile. Unlocks should give me something useful to look forward to. Meeting another player should feel like a chance to interact, rather than a reason for one of us to hop worlds. Being told to join a clan and get help reaching endgame doesn’t really address those issues and really highlights how terrible the entire player experience actually is. People have openly told me "Ignore everything until endgame"... so how do you expect someone new to endure that?

I think combat especially needs a better introduction. It can be confusing for returning players, let alone someone who has never played before. The game can tell you what an ability does without making it clear when you should use it or why you would choose it over another one.

I’m not asking to be walked through every fight. I want encounters that gradually teach those decisions. Help me understand the reason to use a defensive ability, interrupt an attack or think about the order of my abilities, then let me see the difference it makes. Guides are useful, but the game should give players a solid understanding of the basics first.

Once those improvements are ready, THEN make the launch a proper event. Give new and returning players a clear date to join, show them what has changed and promote it beyond the people already following RS3. Give people a reason to message their friends and say, “Let’s try this together.”

This isn’t a demand to bring Reignited back exactly as it was announced. It’s a request to understand the experience people wanted from it and the very big flaws existing right now and find a way to advertise THAT experience.

Since reignited's cancellation I'm seeing an annoying trend of tone-deaf posts encouraging new players to just try the game, or that we should advertise more or come up with some other idea to attract new users. Reignited WAS the idea to attract new players, and a few days ago this community was collectively threatening to quit unless the idea got completely canned. Most people were not even interested in giving any concessions and to them a full cancellation was the only acceptable outcome.

Like it or not, reignited was the strongest advertising campaign Jagex has released in the last decade. I saw people in circles that I've never seen mention RS3 talking about the game and expressing interest. You can't murder that idea in its crib then turn around and be shocked that there's no lineup of new players waiting to join the game. The choice was made, the invitation to new players was withdrawn over concerns that veteran players might get sidelined in some hypothetical doomsday scenario 5-10 years from now. Most of the people who were planning to start new accounts now revile this community for being toxic and unwelcoming.

I just finished dragonwilds and I was interested in returning to RS3 after hearing the reignited news, now with that dream of fresh squashed I’m honestly still interested in playing rs3 over osrs. I’m just worried that I’ll be sinking my time into something going downhill. I would play osrs but I’m really not a huge fan of the menu combat. I’m a wow player mainly (mythic raiding, high performer) and I actually like the combat changes in rs3 but it’s still looming over my head.

If I played rs3 I’d most likely go Ironman, right now I’m sorta just farming yew trees in lumby on f2p osrs not knowing what to do. When I was playing my osrs Ironman I was following a guide rushing me to corrupted gauntlet as a hardcore Ironman, it was pretty useful to learn quickly what is important. Is there a similar guide for RS3 Ironman?

Typo fixed you can stop bullying me now 😭

Real talk though this is a great part of the 2027 roadmap, and one we haven't had much talk about given the recent unpleasantness.

One criticism I've seen about Reignited is that some aspects of it were good while some were bad. Why not take the good and expand on them? Jagex has an opportunity to appeal to all players, old and new, with this:

Fix the new player experience.

• Eliminate the clunky Burthorpe system.

• Standardize the tutorial so that everyone does Tutorial Island (no Davendale, sorry), and expand that if needed.

• Fix combat for new players so it doesn't feel so much like waiting for abilities other than auto attack to come out of cooldown by unlocking core rotation abilities sooner.

A lot of players have spoken about the want to compete for "world firsts" and grow a new economy. Why not have this in Fresh Start Worlds?

• Allow someone to create a new account that would start in a Fresh Start World. These worlds would be just like the main RS3, no bonuses or anything extra, just a new world and new economy.

• Allow players to port their account to the main RS3 worlds at any time. For example, these worlds can start up every 6 months and last for a year or so (when the economy stabilizes essentially) then every account on those servers is transported to the main servers with everything they earned there.

• This would allow new and existing players to have a new economy/world experience often without keeping communities permanently separated.

Create a new Hiscore system for all new accounts that do not use Radiant Stars.

• All new accounts after a set date will be added to a brand new Hiscores system.

• If Reignited was going to have no Radiant Stars, this should align with both player and Jagex expectations.

• Allow players to Prestige to be a part of the new Hiscores

Develop a Prestige Mode with veteran players

• Allow players to reset their progress from 1

• All Prestige players would be added to the new Hiscores for their prestige experience

• Lock away the earned bank until a certain point where it is deemed the player completed their prestige and can do it again (maxed? would need to be discussed)

• Allow players to quit out this mode any time without penalty, but would have to start from scratch if prestiging again (can't just go back and forth)

• Poll all of this from current players with discussion on what they want to see

Jagex, there is no better time than now. If new players are looking to join, or if old players are looking for the new experience, why not give that to them?

Note: I have no idea how to make numbers and bulletpoints work with Reddit's version of markdown so I decided to use ### and asterisk. Apologies for the bold.

Obviously Reignited was a massive miss, but I want to start off by saying I’m generally very positive on Mod North and the direction Jagex and RuneScape are heading.

That being said, throughout this whole Reignited catastrophe, there’s one question I can’t get out of my head.

In relation to Reignited, what did Mod North mean when he suggested that this update would “respect the old guard?”

How was Reignited meant to do that?

I just can’t picture any scenario in which the original proposal respected veteran players.

Allow me to run through the reasons pro-Reignited voices were excited…

A fresh start with a living early game periphery of other new players

… which is a completely valid desire. No complaints. The veteran community SHOULD want this as well - or at least the second half of it, the game having a vibrant early game experience.

A cleansing of previous malignant influences of P2W among players I may encounter for the assurance that those I compare myself against have truly earned their achievements. Seperate game worlds perhaps, or the inability to boss alongside players who have started previously.

… I’m able to still follow this from the perspective that MTX, for some players, was so foundational that it stunted genuine knowledge of the game and it would be jarring to talk to a maxed player who doesn’t seem to know RS. I do think that while comparison is a natural way to attack an MMO, it’s also being made into the robber of joy here. I’m starting to be lost…

A fresh hi-scores.

If this is seasonal, sure.

A separate economy-

For a short time this is understandable, chasing after first drops is fu-

…that is permanent - be it to ensure it doesn’t get influenced by MTX or because I don’t see a reason the Reignited economy needs to merge.

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That last part, about the split economy, was the proverbial light switch.

At a certain point, there is no grey area, no room to compromise, no middle to meet in.

A Veteran main account’s long term viability is centered pretty heavily on the assurance that the economy doesn’t collapse and there is no demand for any items anymore. A successful Reignited as it was pitched presents this scenario and puts the Veteran account on life support.

A Reignited player’s core experience on the other hand is dependent on the fresh economy for maximum enjoyment from a gameplay perspective (I.e. rushing to get certain boss drops first to set their value) and if Jagex’s marketing is indicative - the split economy was meant to reinforce this ‘pure’ return to form RS3 has taken. There would likely be many lost new player targets were Jagex to relent on this, which would have made going through with Reignited questionable if it was simply just Fresh Start Worlds.

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Now. Title. Why aggro? Well.

There comes a point where you don’t allow a burglar into your home. Players that want a permanent split economy are players that want my account’s viability to wither up. Whether they know it or not, they are wishing harm to my enjoyment of RuneScape.

Should the RS3 community want new players? Yes. And I believe they do. Badly.

But we need to not kid ourselves here. If the other side is wishing us harm, we DON’T want them playing the game.

We have so many great quest names, why do this quest that is supposed to be a sequal to an iconic quest dirty by just slapping a 2 on the back of it? It feels uninspired and we already have a good name ready with the arc name being "Hoard of Dragons". I know it's a small nitpick but it feels like such a waste that can also be easily fixed.

I love quest names in this game so the little extra effort would be appreciated. Just wanted to mention some awesome and witty quest names to me to show off that appreciation too:

The Great Brain Robbery, The World Wakes, Twilight of the Gods, Requiem for a Dragon, Missing, presumed Death

Road to Restoration is amazing, we have a cool asf new boss, ton of QoL is coming with plugins and theres a lot of updates in the horizon, why not talk about all that? More posts about reignited arent bringing any good to the table

A lot of people are talking about MTX achievements blah blah blah but as a 20 year+ on and off veteran my only concern is consolidating the player base. There was absolutely no need to introduce a useless new game mode that would further fragment the playerbase. The new game mode no sense to me, it's the same main game mode but just a fresh start?

Why? Totally unnecessary and stupid. After a couple of years the economy in the new game mode would become the same as the older one and then you would have 2 copies of the same game mode running. If people are so concerned about MTX, why not just wipe out all MTX pets titles etc. from main accounts, clean out the bloated content and everyone's as good to go.

Who the hell cares about achieving something first? The average RuneScaper certainly does not. Most of the skills were 99'ed way back in the 2000s. I see most veterans debating over the most useless stuff, MTX boosted first achievments or what not. The fact is simple, no veteran is going to love a fresh start because RuneScape is a very time consuming and time demanding game.

If Jagex wants to fix something, they MUST fix it in the existing paradigm or if introducing a new game mode, it should at least have a gimmick, like how ironman is a solo-experience game mode.

I’m genuinely getting tired of opening this subreddit and seeing people complaining about other people talking about Reignited.

We get it. You’re tired of seeing posts about it. Congratulations.

But did we really need an entirely new post announcing that you’re tired of seeing posts? What exactly were you hoping to accomplish here?
The funniest part is complaining about people writing essays because they think they have some groundbreaking opinion, while simultaneously making a post acting like telling everyone to shut up is some groundbreaking opinion.

Like seriously, think about that for a second.
You saw people discussing something you weren’t interested in anymore, and instead of scrolling past it like a normal person, you decided the entire subreddit needed to hear about how annoyed you were.

And now here we are. Another post about Reignited.
Except this time we’re not even discussing Reignited. We’re discussing people discussing Reignited, which apparently is a much more worthwhile use of everyone’s time.

Personally, I think we need to start making posts about people making posts about people making posts about Reignited. Maybe then we’ll finally get to the bottom of this.

I mean where does it end?

If I don’t like seeing posts about people complaining about Reignited, am I supposed to make a post telling those people to shut up too?

And then someone else makes a post telling me to shut up?

Before you know it the entire subreddit is just people telling each other to shut up.

Actually, now that I think about it, that’s pretty much where we’re at already.

And another thing, who exactly decided Reignited was no longer allowed to be discussed?

Was there a meeting? Did we vote on this?

Did Jagex release an official statement declaring that all Reignited conversations must immediately cease because one guy on Reddit has had enough?

I must’ve missed that update.

Anyway, I just wanted to get this off my chest because I feel like nobody else has been
brave enough to address the real issue here.

Hopefully we can finally move on from all these unnecessary posts and get back to discussing RuneScape.

And please, for the love of god, can everyone stop writing these long essays acting like their opinion is some groundbreaking revelation.
It’s getting ridiculous.

I feel like this reddit is mostly full of opinions from loyal long-term players. I kind of want to add another point of view into this echo chamber. I am not an OSRS player. I tried it a couple years back and probably played for like 5 hours before quitting. I didn't like that there was no fast travel and I was walking around the map too much. I played RuneScape in high school. This was probably about 2006; so basically, you can say that I am not a RuneScape player. My opinion should be invalid here, but I'm giving it anyway.

I understand the problems with Jagex screwing its loyal base and such. I get it, I'd probably be annoyed if I were you too. We will never truly know if the loyal customers were the vocal minority because we can't truly judge how many new players reignited could have brought in. Regardless, I think prioritizing their loyal customers is the morally right thing for Jagex to do, so I applaud them for walking back the reignited announcement.

What I see now, is a lot of people trying to figure out how to bring in new players, and I want to weigh in on that. I was actually really excited for Reignited. I had started telling my friends and family about it and I had got a group of 5 of us that were going to start a clan and play together. After the announcement of reignited getting walked back, I asked these guys if we're still planning on playing. I don't think most of them will play come December. After discussing, it seems the main draw was the fresh start worlds. We were excited to start new in this world and be a part of the beginning of something. Since that's not happening anymore, they seem to have lost interest. There are other games to play.

I see a lot of old players saying that they're revamping the world, adding content, and balancing the game. Us potential new players don't care. We don't know what it was like before, so we don't care about the changes. Plus, isn't any good MMO supposed to add new content occasionally? Why would we care about this stuff?

Getting rid of the pay to win stuff is great. I wouldn't have even thought about playing it if that stuff was still in, but again, I don't think it's enough. If RuneScape is trying to do some massive push for new players, then they need to give them a good reason to come. Doing what any good MMO should already do just isn't a good enough reason for a lot of people.

Anyway, I know I don't belong here. But I was really excited and now I'm a bit disappointed, so I just felt like getting this off my chest.

Now that reignited is cancelled (thank you!), I was wondering if radiant stars were still going to be removed from the store. It’s one of the last MTX things that do not benefit the game IMO. Is there any news on that?

Killing reignited with as much vitriol as we did and then asking for new players at all is definitely wanting to have your cake and eat it too. it is most definitely hypocrisy, and it is absolutely asking for too much.

Vets fundamentally refuse to stop being obtuse about why a lot of people were excited about reignited in the first place, it was a chance to play RuneScape without us who have been here for 20+ years. Full stop. They did not want a compromise or an eventual merging of the servers so that the maxers only have to wait some time to start flexing questionable gains on noobs. even before it got cancelled i saw plenty of posts calling us out as children for trying to force a compromise that defeated the purpose of the mode in the first place...

The vocal dissenters acted like babies and wrenched their toy back before anyone could play with it, people outside of this community saw that and it is causing a lot of damage to the Mainscaper image.

They introduced Reignited because Runescape needs new players or there was a marked, real interest for it, that's how MMO development works. if RS3 was healthy they would have just kept trucking with RTR and the new roadmap. But they didn't.

The sentiment i am seeing repeated over and over again is that people want to experience Runescape the organic way surrounded by only people who had the option of doing it the organic way. Translating that is easy. they want fresh start worlds that people cannot bring existing accounts to, ever.

Now that, is not asking too much. But we acted like it was and threw a tantrum.

Nothing was going to bring a large influx of players to rs3 "veteran worlds" as they are now called. that ship sailed a long time ago.

Nothing that isn't going to happen anyways now would have happened to veteran players in a post Reignited Runescape, nobody's account was going to get deleted or anything crazy like that, the only difference now is that rs3 has a real risk of shutting down permanently much sooner than in a world where reignited was allowed to happen.

Veteran worlds would have continued to bleed players, reignited existing wasn't going to cause a problem that already exists, and I have serious doubts it was going to inflame it after reading the general sentiment about starting over from most of the mainscapers, you weren't going anywhere regardless, definitely not over to reignited.

All this community has done is ensure that veteran worlds are the only worlds, thereby ensuring that whatever fate befalls this declining game, will befall everyone at once and will likely be final.

Lots of people who might have tried RS3 randomly but found out about Reignited through reddit and twitter and were but off by the fighting exist as well, so that small bit is gone too.

Sad really.

I think it’s time we just move on, as frustrating as it is, I can’t see jagex re changing their minds now.
I was so gutted it got cancelled because i genuinely was excited for it. After I got over the fact we are not getting reignited, I was thinking about making an Ironman. But because of how toxic this community is, I’m just going to walk away and forget about rs3 now.

Good luck

If you're still on the fence about playing, give this video a watch!

It's over, I wanna see stuff that isn't just essays from people who think they've some ground breaking thought on the matter 😭

Even though the community seems divided right now, I think we all want the same thing. We want RS3 to thrive, and I think we can all see that a version of Reignited can be a way to do it. 

I believe that this is the way it could be done:

Before Reignited:

• Complete the road to restoration to a point where most of the paint points are addressed and fixed. To pinpoint which, gather community feedback.
• We need the unified collection log. It’s a way to attract players (mostly osrs players) and a way to retain players as well.
• Fix droptables and make skilling great again. A new economy is nice, but it will be just the same if nothing is done about things that caused the bad one.
• Some stuff should be outright removed. If you have other examples let’s hear it, but I’m thinking about the once upon a slime quest.
• Remove bonus exp stars.
• It’s getting asked alot lately: can we login to both games on the same character? The only thing I am asking is some communication. Is this within the realm of possibilities or can we just forget about it?
• If that is not a possibility, what about membership packages? We have Jagex accounts now, would it be possible to pay full price for the first account, then ⅓ of that for a second one? This might make people play.
• Make cosmetics usable for all characters on a Jagex account. Cosmetics are very expensive, and players will not buy the same cosmetic on more than one account anyways. This would lose you nothing but would not keep players from trying reignited because of the loss of cosmetics.
• Let me know if you can think of anything else!

Details of Reignited:

• New economy. Merge after 3 years.
• Teaming up with veterans is possible after 1 year.
• Reignited hiscores, set in stone after 3 years. And merge with regular hiscores after.
• World seconds/reignited firsts and such should be celebrated but should not replace the actual world firsts.

Then:

• After all the other things are done. Poll it. Add the polling system to RS3.
• Market Reignited heavily, before and during. Make sure streamers try it out, pay them if you must. 
• Consider removing the exp cap / adding prestige to the game. Do it 3 years after Reignited, so everyone that wants to can compete on a level playing field.

I think that is most of it. I realise some of the propositions might be a financial hit for Jagex, but if you want to make this game popular again you have to attract players in a way. 

Let me know what you think. Disagreeing is completely fine but let’s keep it civil. Open to hear your thoughts!

I would love to see Jagex implement official Voice Over audio for characters during quests, rather than relying strictly on the traditional chatbox text.

Hi all,

I am 379 total level, 51 combat (44 magic and 36 defense). I'm trying to get the bonecrusher because I think it will help me train prayer. After a bit of googling, I thought I only needed to get to level 42 to purchase it. Turns out you need 50k dungeoneering tokens.

I can't begin to explain how much I hate dungeoneering. The grind to level 42 dung almost made me quit the game before I even got started.

The Google is now telling me that another way to get tokens is to have someone help you rush an elite dunegon. Would anyone be willing to assist me in an elite dungeon to get the remaining tokens. Based on what it said, it would only take 10-20 minutes. Willing to trade my entire cash stack for the help (only 1.3m - sorry). I'm east coast US btw.

Thanks!

Can we just go back in time to before the reignited announcement and just never announce it??? My god, this whole situation has just flipped the entire Runescape community on its head. There wasn't all this hate and vitriol between everyone before all this shit hit the fan. Obviously there always has been, and always will be, some trolls from both games inciting hate, but they were few and far between.

Everyone was excited for RuneFest, OSRS and RS3 players alike. OSRS is at one of the biggest and best points it's been at in it's history, RS3 at its most optimistic moment in the last 15 years with the Road to Restoration. Things were looking promising for both games. We were all co-existing in peace times. And then BAM! REIGNITED!

It feels like the fucking introduction to Avatar. "Long ago the two Runescape games lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Jagex-nation announced Reignited." Except there's no Avatar to save us.

Not blaming Jagex whatsoever because hindsight is a bitch and how could you possibly have predicted the absolute shit storm that followed. Now it's all "tainted this, MTX that, you're a troll, you're a bot, fuck you, no fuck you, no fuck you too" like god damn, not even Zezima himself could save us from this mess.

Anyway, rant over, I have no suggestions to fix this, it's just a sad situation for Runescape as a whole, no matter what side of the coin you're on, and even worse if you're watching from the outside. The shit has absolutely hit the fan and there's no one with a tall enough ladder to clean it off. Just wish we could go back to when people were happy.

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