r/comics • u/TommySiegel • 20d ago
OC Star Wars vs Star Trek: a helpful guide [OC]
Star Trek 2009? Fun! The Force Awakens? Fun! And yet…
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u/coderman64 20d ago
Doctor Who:
- Don't start with the first season, unless it's the new first season, but not the new new first season.
- Looks weird and alien but somehow also British.
- In summary: the Universe is Very Big™.
- JJ Abrams had nothing to do with it, but Chris Chibnall ruined it for him.
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u/kitsunewarlock 20d ago
Dr. Who is special because you can't really start with the first seasons because of all the lost media.
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u/ArrBeeNayr 20d ago
You can! The audio for all episodes exist, so they have all been restructured into radio dramas with extra narration
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u/CunningLinguist8198 20d ago
But how will you see the costumes and sets that cost approximately two buttons and some pocket lint?
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u/Succurro_Mihi 20d ago
I don't think Chibnall ruined it. It was definitely a step down in quality from Moffat though. I liked Chibnall's run much more than RTD's second stint.
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u/Ikrit122 20d ago
You can start with the first season of TNG, but it's more just a list of episodes to watch rather than the whole season...
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u/Globularist 20d ago
Yeah but tng isn't the first season.
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u/Ikrit122 20d ago
That's fair.
You can definitely start with the first season of TOS. It's all over the place, but there are some real classics in there.
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u/Take-to-the-highways 20d ago
Tos is amazing and I'll personally fight anyone who thinks you can skip it. A lot of the episodes are more relevant now than ever, unfortunately
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
TNG is one of my favorite shows of all time, but there's no getting around the fact that it had some truly putrid episodes. Just so bad.
Anything with Luwaxana.
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u/Far-Heart-7134 20d ago
She works best on ds9 when she gets paired with Odo. They have some really touching scenes together.
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u/JMoc1 20d ago
She’s also great in her final appearance in TNG.
The grief she had at losing her other daughter hits me as a father with two little ones.
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
DS9! was better than TNG is just about every way, but it's not remembered as fondly be the general fandom for some reason.
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u/creatingKing113 20d ago
I agree that DS9 is the best. But it needs TNG to be good. TNG gives us the high minded idealism that DS9 uses to frame its difficult questions.
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Great point. Especially Sisko's moral quandaries as the war goes on.
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u/NegativeBee8049 20d ago
Sisko is not Picard, but they share the same Starfleet values.
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u/PupPop 20d ago
We also must consider that without the standards set by TNG we would not have just comparison for why DS9 breaks so many of the "classic" Star Trek rules. There is much more violence, deceit, more morally gray situations, and overall deviation from the idealism we often see in TNG. But without TNG as the trailblazer for those concepts, DS9 simply would not be nearly as effective.
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u/wvj 20d ago
It was a way ahead of its time show, in ways people don't tend to grasp if they just go on memory and don't rewatch. I did a total rewatch of all the shows during Covid (Trek was still on Netflix! what a time) and it really struck me.
Like, the whole thing is a Native American/Holocaust parable, the villain is a tremendously charismatic serial rapist and probably one of the most accurate depictions of fascism up-close on television, there's a gay romance and a transgender pansexual alien in the main cast, and an episode about the police killing black people.
In the 1990s.
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u/LikeALincolnLog42 20d ago
DS9 was better than TNG and just about every way
Is it though? I think they’re simply two different things.
DS9 was a serial sci-fi politics TV show with wars, espionage, intrigue etc that occasionally touched on the lighter or episodic type stuff you’d find more in TNG.
On the other hand, TNG was an idealist sci-fi adventure-of-the-week show that occasionally touched on some of the heavier subject matter that was found more in DS9.
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u/daemon-electricity 20d ago
DS9 had more commitment to a central plot line than TNG. Love TNG, but that alone made DS9 better. It cut down the number of filler episodes and seemed to commit each episode to building on the conflicts that were going on. TNG needed AI run amok and a Loki to keep it busy and there are WAAAAY too many filler episodes.
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u/LikeALincolnLog42 20d ago
Personally, I generally prefer episodic TV more than serial narrative so I think that’s why I like TNG more.
That’s also why I think I wouldn’t feel comfortable saying one is better than the other. I think that’d be like comparing apples and oranges: they’re two different types of shows.
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u/jaynon501 20d ago
As a viewer I loved Luwaxana. I thought she was very entertaining. Watching the crew figure out how to deal with her was great.
From the standpoint of the crew though, she was awful. I wouldn't have blamed Picard if he'd locked her in her room kicked her off of his ship.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 20d ago
As a relatively fresh viewer going in relatively blind I enjoyed her for the same reason I enjoyed the Q episodes: they each threw a different wrench at the crew that was otherwise mostly competent and they were nice standalones.
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u/m4gpi 20d ago
In retrospect, her character was ahead of its time, whereas most of TNG's female characters are potted plants. We saw a chaotic shrew, but now she is a mature woman with total agency, sharp wit and wisdom, and no fucks to give.
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u/SirRevan 20d ago
She is such a unique fun character I don't understand the hate. She plays the same role as Q. An agent of chaos who can also be unprofessional and put our working professional crew in unique situations. Unlike new trek which has everyone act like emotionally stunted children.
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u/james___uk 20d ago
I appreciated that Picard could seemingly handle anything, the most incredible, unlikely scenarios, death-defying, unusual, you name it.
But Luwaxana? Not for a minute
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u/the_knob_man 20d ago
The actress was married to Gene Roddenberry and was also the voice of the computer in all of the series up to Enterprise. She’s a treasure.
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u/Ed_Trucks_Head 20d ago
Deanna: "computer, why do you sound exactly like my mother?"
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Oh I adore Majel Barrett. Shes the best. The character writing is what I hated.
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u/victorbarst 20d ago
I kinda like that one episode where she falls in love with the scientist from the planet where the people plan their own suicide to avoid late life incapacity. The way she fights so hard against his culture, the federations anti-intervention laws, and his own cultural morality it almost showed her having a bit of charachter development. Shame she goes right back to being a galactic Karen right after
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
That was definitely better than the one where she drags Worf and Alexander into the mud bath.
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u/The5Virtues 20d ago
And those early days as the cast is coming into their own almost make it feel like the crew had some kind of space flu and nobody was feeling quite themselves. By the end of the season the characters all feel solid and we (and they) have a clear grip on who they are.
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Yeah the beginning of season one was pretty hit or miss. And whoever designed the non Starfleet uniforms for most characters was on acid or something lol
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u/legit-posts_1 20d ago
Wait, why wouldn't you start with the OS?
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u/DonkeyGuy 20d ago
I dont think they mean “dont watch Star Trek TOS” but rather don’t start Star Trek The Next Generation with the first season. Since season one of TNG was really weak compared to everything that came after.
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u/Krail 20d ago
Do people not recommend starting with the first Star Wars movie?
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u/Milestailsprowe 20d ago
It wasn't made that way and it ruins the whole Luke I am your father part.
It's 4-6, 1-2, Some of the shows, 3, Andor, and lastly Rouge one. You can put 4-6 last but never watch 7-9
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u/Krail 20d ago
Okay, so the meme means Episode 1 as "the first" movie, and not the actual first movie?
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u/CrazsomeLizard 20d ago
yes exactly which is why it is mentioned LOL because first can mean variety of things
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u/Steinrikur 19d ago
Before the sequels came out, a highly recommend order was 4,5,1*,2,3, then 6.
That way you get the reveal, then the fall to the dark side, then the redemption.
*) Skipping the first one is optional. Nothing of value happens except the Darth Maul parts.
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u/Necessary-Safe-2802 20d ago
People are weird about star trek
Skipping season 1 of TNG doesn't even make sense because of Encounter at Farpoint is a great intro and skips Tashas whole starting arc.
Not every episode is 10/10 but even the worst are still good.
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u/Krail 20d ago
Man, I kind of agree with skipping most of season 1. There's some bad stuff in there. Outside the first two episodes, It's not a good introduction to the series. I might recommend people go back to it after they're already into the show and care about the characters.
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u/SiegeAutomatonE54 20d ago
The worst of TNG season 1 is definitely not still good.
Remember Code of Honor? I wish I didn't.
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u/postmodest 20d ago
Honestly, in episode two, Tasha pivots from "I used to have to hide from the rape patrols" to "be my vibrator, Data" in the space of three lines of dialog.
Gene was weird in his old age.
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u/Kind-Shallot3603 20d ago
Yeah he was. Gene Roddenberry interview : r/ThatsInsane
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u/postmodest 20d ago
Andrew Probert was also an amazing designer, having done ST:TMP, TNG, BTTF, airwolf, night rider; basically the dude designed the 80's. But after 9/11 he became the islamophobic version of someone who won't shut up about the protocols of the elders of Zion.
Never meet your heroes.
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u/Miserable-Debt-8390 20d ago
Funny that the worst episode of SG1 has in common with Code
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u/Kind-Shallot3603 20d ago
Same writer for too
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u/GreenishPatina 20d ago
What's the 1st? Episode 4, a new hope (first made)? Or episode one, the phantom menace (first chronologically of the big movies)? Or the Acolyte (first in the star wars universe timeline, no one would actually say this is the first lol)?
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u/M0ebius_1 20d ago
There are like 20 novels and 20 comics that are now Canon before the acolyte.
If you want to start at the start you have to get through the Old Republic now.
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u/2019Uk 20d ago
The acolyte has never been a part of this discussion, because it’s not a movie.
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u/GormHub 20d ago
No real Trekkie is telling you to skip seasons, they tell you "it's a little rough to start but it gets better around season 3, I swear."
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u/PurePerfection_ 20d ago
Not seasons, but they'll tell you not to watch all the series in release order. I see plenty of people saying to start with TNG or one of the recent shows and not TOS.
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u/NotAUsefullDoctor Has One Unicorn 20d ago edited 19d ago
"Wait until that guy grows a beard, and then it will be amazing."
I have definitely heard the seasons argument many times
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u/PurePerfection_ 20d ago
I've heard people arguing to tolerate the show until it hits its stride, but not to just skip every episode of a particular season. S1 of TNG, for instance, is not the strongest overall, but you still need to watch at least some of it. Otherwise, you miss the introduction of characters who will have significant roles later in the series like Q, Lore, Tasha Yar, or Lwaxana Troi. However, you can postpone TOS indefinitely without missing any context that's critical to enjoying later series.
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u/PrimeDirectiveLover 19d ago
If you are going to get into Star Trek you absolutely should start with the original. You can get over the 60s production quality in a few episodes and start enjoying some of the best sci fi ever made.
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u/punIn10ded 20d ago
Yup skipping season 1 of TNG means skipping 'The Measure of a Man'(and other great episodes) no way any Trekkie suggests that.
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u/Suluchigurh 20d ago
Hate to be that guy....but measure of a man was season 2. BUT season one had datalore, 10101111100101001, and the neutral zone, which are great. Where no one has gone before is fun.
There's a lot of great pieces/parts of the weaker episodes in season 1 as well, but I find that you can go back and watch the leftovers after you have exhausted tng/other treks and still get great entertainment.
encounter at farpoint and skin of evil arent top trek, but they lay groundwork for a lot of stuff later on. especially the finale.
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u/overdosingOnPie1313 20d ago
Does your guide cover the vast migration of Star Wars nerds?
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u/Librarian_Contrarian 20d ago
That was the Star Wars Trek. They're talking about the Star Trek Wars.
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u/emp_raf_III 20d ago
Begun, the Star Trek Wars Have...
- Jim Raynor, captain of the Battlestar Galactica
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u/AeroArrows 20d ago
Great, now do one for Babylon 5.
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u/rainhitsconcrete 20d ago
How about:
Dont watch the "prequel" movie til after season 1
Looks like a soap opera in space
In short the writing is great
Least said about Crusade the better
In OPs weird format. Or the last line could be "god i hope they dont reboot it"
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u/_Fun_Employed_ 20d ago
I was annoyed when Abrams got Star Trek…and furious when he got Star Wars
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u/HanzoKurosawa 20d ago
Abrams is overly blamed for what happened with the sequel trilogy. The issue was not him. The issue was them not pre-planning the trilogy, and making it up film to film. That's not any one directors fault, that's a bigger studio issue. But I guess it's easier to blame one director.
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u/Doomsayer189 20d ago
The sequel trilogy was severely hampered by TFA reverting everything to essentially the way it was in A New Hope, and that decision was largely due to Abrams.
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u/Derigiberble 19d ago
Supposedly he wanted to blow up Coruscant and they basically had to talk him into a consolation prize of blowing up an entire system of heavily inhabited worlds instead like parents frantically jangling keys to keep a toddler from having a meltdown because they can't burn the house down.
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u/dern_the_hermit 20d ago
I mean the OG wasn't really pre-planned, either. George had a pile of ideas but he's also been wildly inconsistent about what he "originally planned"... and he neither wrote nor directed the second or third film, anyway.
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u/Nythromere 20d ago
There is a difference between a starting a brand new fanchise vs a decades long established franchise. George Lucas had no idea how crazy successful it would become. And he did have lots of plans for it but he had to keep reshaping it because, again, it was a brand new franchise.
Once Episode 4 released, the plans got more solidified. Now compare that to Episode 9 where the original director was fired and JJ Abrams had to finish the last installment of a 9 part saga under a strict deadline. Reshoots were happening weeks from release.
The whole "the OT didn"t have a plan too" is coping for the shit stain that is the ST.
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u/total_idiot01 20d ago
Not just finish the last installment, but effectively restart the story after Johnson ended the trilogy in movie 2.
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u/_Fun_Employed_ 20d ago
No, he really isn’t overly blamed, he literally can’t be blamed enough, because the REAL issues with the sequel trilogy all stem from him and The Force Awakens. He made a self referential sequel, with no imagination at all and nostaliga bait tripe.
And a coincidentally a bit of your screen name is an example of the Abrams failure. You see, he began the sequel trilogy by remaking a New Hope, all his inspiration clearly and creatively bankruptly from it. Who’s the Antagonist? The new empire and a new vader. What’s the big threat? Basically another even bigger death star. But what inspired the original Star Wars movies? Spaghetti Westerns, Flash Gordon, and Akira Kurosawa. But instead of basing his movies off of Star Wars original inspirations(like the first season of the Mandolorian does excellently), or even using new inspiration (like Andor did) he bases the new movies on the old ones…and you know what? It could have been done well, the question of intergenerational trauma, and legacy and how the past informs the future…it could have been done well, if it hadn’t been as shallow as possible and just a stupid nostalgia grab.
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u/bluetenthousand 20d ago
JJ is entirely to blame. Though the studio deserves some blame too. JJ started a bunch of story threads that don’t have a good way to conclude. Plus the whole premise was a recycled Star Wars story, the empire is back but it’s just called the New Order lame trash.
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u/Cornelius-Q 19d ago
And that is what's baffling to me. Abrams is (allegedly) a fan of Star Wars.
Being a fan myself, if I had the chance to make the Sequel Trilogy, the last thing I would have done is just do a straight-up remake of the Original Trilogy. I'm not going to have a third Death Star. I'm going to have a functioning New Republic and New Jedi Order. I'm going to make the final chapter of the Star Wars Saga, not just recycle a bunch of stuff from the movies I grew up with.
Though we may be laying too much blame at the feet of Abrams. Maybe that is what Disney/Lucasfilm/Kennedy wanted? TFA was pretty much the same thing as Abrams' 2009 Star Trek -- take all of the toys out of the toybox and start over from scratch.
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u/Babetna 20d ago
It's actually a rather interesting conundrum which was ruined more
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u/MintyFresh771 19d ago
Star Wars. By far. JJ’s Trek universe can be retconned in an instant by showing the Kelvin incident being reversed somehow… I.E. two throwaway lines in the start and we’re off with kirk & spock or picking up with the Dominion aftermath… whatever you want in a dick-head free uni.
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u/left-handed-satanist 20d ago
I'd say Star Trek, all the progressive ideas went poof and replaced with intergalactic nationalism.
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u/Alex_The_Whovian 20d ago
As a Doctor Who fan, I... I... (breaks down crying)
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u/BasementDesk 20d ago
I always tell the uninitiated:
Star Wars is about Good vs. Evil and space battles.
Star Trek is about what it means to be human, and speeches.
(For what it’s worth, I’m not a SW guy, so I might be a little out of date on that assessment)
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u/1d3333 20d ago
I also think the “the future is incredible” part is tied to how people seemingly ignore or forget the horrible past of star treks earth.
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u/BasementDesk 20d ago
Not to mention that “the future is incredible” feels kind of limited to the TNG mindset. I love TNG. It’s so very cozy.
But I certainly wouldn’t use DS9 as evidence of the future being so spectacular.
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u/gollyRoger 20d ago
Ds9 still works, it's just the story of what happens when a utopia has to meet challenges they're not built to counter. It's very deliberately the story of what happens at the edges of a utopian society. Probably the closest we'll ever get to an adaptation of the culture
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u/BasementDesk 20d ago edited 19d ago
Oh, for sure. DS9 is my favorite, and for a reason. As much as I love TNG, DS9 goes deep.
And at the risk of pulling out Sisko’s “It’s easy to be an saint in paradise” speech, I think that’s what you’re describing here.
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u/Feather_Sigil 20d ago
The Federation is still a utopia in DS9, but we get to see what happens when utopia is challenged by overwhelming aggression and subversion. In the end, utopia prevails
It's in the time of PIC that the Federation stops being a utopia
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u/PacketFiend 20d ago
Star Trek is science fiction.
Star Wars is fantasy, but in space.
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u/VegasGamer75 20d ago
Not wrong, but at least Trek fans have the "alternative timeline" excuse for theirs. Star Wars? You're stuck with it.
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u/TommySiegel 20d ago
Star Trek (2009)? fun! The Force Awakens? fun! And yet….
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u/HydrogenSonata2025 20d ago
The 2009 movie was fun, in the same way that hearing a cover band is fun. A different take on something you like but still inferior to the original.
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Heyy, I liked the JJ Abrams Trek movies. Well, the first two. #3 was forgettable. But I definitely don't think he ruined Trek.
I know Star Wars is overall more popular than Trek, but the amount of GOOD Trek vs the amount of good SW is vastly weighted toward Trek in my opinion. I haven't liked any new Star Wars stuff aside from Rogue One/Andor. The prequel trilogy are objectively bad movies.
Trek > SW
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u/innocent_blue 20d ago edited 20d ago
Just re-watched the first JJ Trek and it’s honestly fun, and I think it stands up. I think Into Darkness is good trek too and an interesting twist on Kahn in the alternate universe.
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u/AnonAwaaaaay 20d ago
They were also super well written. A lot of person X dors thing and then the consequences splinter and now everyone has to deal with it.
I can see why old school fans didn't like that it was a basic action movie rather than an intellectual Star Trek movie, but it's weird how offended they get.
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u/spudmarsupial 20d ago
I think it's because there are a lot of action B-movies and wasn't much higher minded scifi at the time. Once a show goes action it seldom comes back (I'd say Acolyte, Obi-Wan, and Andor prove that Star Wars can manage it, and Lower Decks does a bit with Trek).
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u/TommySiegel 20d ago edited 20d ago
While I agree in a vacuum (Star Trek 2009 was fun!), the success of that movie led to execs trying to make it an action franchise and stumbling around in the dark for the last decade making an endless amount of new Trek that just doesn’t really tonally work.
(I should add that some of it DOES work and is fun - looking at you Strange New Worlds season 1 and 2 - but when I zoom out it’s just an era that just isn’t really… uh… working…)
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Eh, I agree about some of the new Trek. But I love Lower Decks, and Strange New Worlds had been great up until this bizarre new season.
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u/Hard_To_Port 20d ago
SNW is missing some of the grit and depth of earlier Trek. It feels so safe and sanitized. While it is a standout of the newer Trek series, that's a low bar to clear. Lower Decks is great too, but it is hampered by adult animation tropes (everyone must be insufferable and obnoxious) and the shorter format.
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u/PlagueOfGripes 20d ago
It was more like the remaining heads wanted to ruin Trek but didn't have the means till Abrams wanted it to be an action film. Which is what the actors had wanted to do all that time.
So more of an enabling ruination than a direct one.
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u/jeremy1015 20d ago
I am a huge, huge Trek fan but if there is one legitimate criticism it’s that everyone seems sterilized. The Orville and the Abram’s Trek movies and Lower Decks are good influences on a series that has at times felt like a bad parody of itself for a long time.
Same thing Austin Powers did for Bond.
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u/SigismundsChair 20d ago
The first Abrams movie isn’t really bad… but man does Abrams suck at worldbuilding and scale. He gave SW the same treatment. Made both settings as wide and deep as a puddle.
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u/blondebuilder 20d ago
Well said. He’s really good at hype and creating a popcorn experience, but it’s all very surfacy.
He did the same with Lost. That show was gripping with all the mysteries, visuals, and action. Every episode hyped the next one with more questions. Everyone was waiting for a big explanation, but then it had the laziest ending ever. I felt robbed.
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u/seguardon 20d ago
It's not bad but good lord is it dumb. Red matter makes black holes, sure, I can get on board with that. Spock detonated one inside Saturn's orbital radius. Even a third grader would ask "Wouldn't that be bad for the Earth?"
And he brought that same lack of knowledge into Star Wars where the speed of light is slow enough to allow a shot across a galaxy to be visible in real time from an unrelated planet. Also he had to retcon hyperspace engines onto a planet because a superweapon that can only fire two shots before it's completely worthless is bad. (Also it completed its objective with the first shot, the second is a pointless victory lap, which makes the climax of the film stupid on a writing level. JJ only knows how to accomplish the feel of story beats, but never bothers to construct the framework that holds them up. See: every major plot beat from TRoS.)
I could write a book about every way JJ's writing style has ended with hollow plot points that made his movies crumble before the test of time. Even by popcorn movie standards, he's a hack. Say what you will about Michael Bay's movies (and I do), but The Rock is pretty damned rewatchable.
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u/KristopheH 20d ago
How do you like the second better than the third? Beyond was a really good Star Trek story, while Into Darkness was a lame retelling of Wrath of Khan
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u/Mean_Mix_99 20d ago
I love when people say "objectively" like their opinion is more valid when they label it "objective" lol
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u/Vigmod 20d ago
No no no. You absolutely have to start with the first season of ST: TNG. How else are you going to know who Q is?
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u/S_A_R_K 20d ago
JJ Abrams, destroyer of worlds and the franchises they exist in. RIP Vulcan and temu Coruscant
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u/FoldedDice 20d ago
Vulcan isn't even the bad one, since at least that stayed in the alternate reality. They blew up the "real" Romulus just to give their villain a backstory.
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u/CockyBovine 19d ago
Yeah, that’s my big complaint about Abrams. He messed with a major portion of the “prime” universe by destroying Romulus like it was NBD. What does it mean for one of the major powers of that part of the galaxy to suddenly no longer have a home world? What does it mean for everyone else? Who cares? We gotta throw our Big Bad back in time so he can try to kill young Spock.
Meanwhile, the destruction of Praxis was the origin of the entirety of the plot of The Undiscovered Country.
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u/Auran82 20d ago
That’s what I love about Stargate, no bad episodes.
Season 1 Episode 3 doesn’t exist, don’t worry about looking for it.
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u/B-Train_ATL 20d ago
“Seth MacFarlane did a funnier version of it.”
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u/58275859 20d ago
The main problem with the Orville is that so many of the jokes were written by Seth MacFarlane.
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u/Kind-Shallot3603 20d ago
The orville got very serious in seasons 2 and 3. They had a horror episode ala "The Fly" that has a great backstory and stakes in season 3
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u/58275859 20d ago edited 20d ago
Yeah, I watched it through, and season two is okay, and season three is surprisingly good, but 90% of the humor is like the worst of Family Guy, and it really hurts a lot of episodes.
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u/Cazador0 20d ago
Star Trek: Blue space aliens called Andorians
Star Wars: Blue space aliens and a guy called Andor.
Completely different.
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u/Strange_Dust7128 20d ago
Star Trek: the future is nice
Star Wars: the future is kinda dark
Warhammer 40k: hold my servitor, heretic
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u/Toadcool1 20d ago
Star Wars isn’t the future the first thing we are shown in most of the movies is “A long time ago in a galaxy far far away”.
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u/Rands-left-hand 20d ago
The real difference is SW is about individuals doing amazing things and ST is about a teams working together to do amazing things.
JJ’s ST tried to bring in SW individualism and fell flat.
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u/JMoc1 20d ago
TNG was great, but Deep Space Nine was Absolute Cinema…
Change my mind.
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u/No_Lingonberry1201 20d ago
I liked Babylon 5 better... Then again, I loved DS9 as well. But DS9 doesn't have Ivanova.
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u/fanOfFiftiesFashion 20d ago
Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari Fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!
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u/Dementia13_TripleX 20d ago
I like Voyager too. It was one of best ST starting episodes I've seen it.
Better than STTNG and DS9.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 20d ago
DS9 got better when they got into the dominion stuff and focused less on Sisko Jesus.
Although it was annoying that they emptied the entire command structure of the station into the defiant every time there was a mission
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u/dragunityag 20d ago
Thats just ST.
Away mission? Better send at least half of our senior staff instead of any Ensign or JG.
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u/thealanshow 20d ago
Star Wars is if the republicans win every election from here on out, and Star Trek is if the democrats win every election from here on out.
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u/Destinum 20d ago
Even if it's obviously not actually correct, it's kinda wild how accurate it still is.
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u/WhiteWinterRains 20d ago
Well, specific democrats. The democrats generally hate anyone trying to push us towards the star trek future. They're a bit more like the Ferengi, not evil evil but not exactly altruistic either.
Letting someone like Zohran from NY pick all our future political candidates forever on the other hand would certainly move us in that direction.
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u/NoTransition8295 20d ago
So its more like if the democratic socialists were elected every time from here on out? (Since I think Zohran is a democratic socialist, I might be wrong though, I don't know too much about him due to living in a different part of United States)
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u/lsf_stan 20d ago edited 20d ago
yes, not all Democrats are the same in the USA
The Democratic Socialists of America, DSA, are the ones not bowing down to the rich donors and big corpos
for example people like: NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani, Sentor Bernie Sanders, US House Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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u/IronVader501 20d ago
I'd debate Force Awakens being good till the end of time.
That movie laid the groundwork for all the fundamental problems that plagued the trilogy, and killing the Jedi again off-screen + immidieatly blowing up the New Republic so Abrams can go rehash a New Hope was fundamentally the wrong choice.
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u/Only-Friend-8483 20d ago
What’s wrong with the first season of ST:TOS ?
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u/omnipotentsandwich 20d ago
I think it's referring to TNG. It's confusing to call it just Star Trek since there are different series.
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u/SesameStreetFever 19d ago
“J.J. Abrams ruined it” cannot be stressed highly enough. That fucker doesn’t even have a basic, super-dumbed-down understanding of astrophysics. How many times did he have people on a planet’s surface looking up into the sky to witness an event happening in another goddamned star system?!
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u/FALCUNPAWNCH 20d ago
I cannot stress how much I despise JJ Abrams and his mystery box with no payoff writing, and how he's marred two franchises with it. That and whitewashing Khan.
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u/KlingoftheCastle 20d ago
It’s the cinematic Ponzi scheme. Asks you to invest, promises you a big payoff, then delivers nothing while the director collects a giant pile of money
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u/Made_Bail 20d ago
Lost is one of my biggest TV disappointments ever. So much incredible mystery, writing, and world building that just spirals into a heaping turd of an ending.
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u/Medium_Reward_5884 20d ago
I miss when Star Trek episodes were written by sci-fi authors and not by people who think sci-fi is just "pew pew pew" with MCU quips thrown in.
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u/passinglurker 20d ago
Startrek ('09): JJ Abrams wishing he was working on starwars instead.
Starwars episode 7: JJ Abrams wishing he was working on StarWars instead.
Don't let this man near a time machine.
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u/tagno25 20d ago
Star Trek also has "In Summary: The past was horrible". Especially WW3, the Bell Riots, and every time the Borg were on Earth.
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u/bikari 20d ago edited 19d ago
Star Trek: Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
Star Wars: Alderaan. Peaceful. Extra crispy.