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Murdered By Words š©ø Cornell University
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 10d ago
In a world full of Donalds, BE A MARCO.
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u/3Gloins_in_afountain 10d ago
Marco-- The Hero we Need
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 10d ago
He got them by the balls!!!!
STOP SPENDING YOUR MONEY SO THAT BUSINESSES / CORPORATIONS WILL LISTEN!!!
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u/TopInvestigator5518 10d ago
I canāt wait for the day I can sign off from an email saying
ā Disgusted beyond belief,
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 10d ago
"A world full of Donalds" is quite a frightful prospect.Ā Ā
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 10d ago edited 10d ago
Do you live in the US? Rape is rampant with zero consequences for abusersā¦
Edit: I agree 1000% with WestCoast response
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 10d ago
This isnāt a US problem. If there are men, there are men committing sexual violence against women. Itās a male problem.
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u/vaderi 10d ago
But it does not NEED to be a men problem, we can in fact deal with it if we actually punish the systems that encourage it.
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u/MellonMan97 10d ago
Aside from the back handed remarks towards WH employees and such. Donāt do that. Donāt be Marco in that way. Itās unnecessary and this message hits just as hard without any of that in the letter. Everybody love everybody
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u/leggomyeggle 10d ago
We should take this method and apply it to government
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u/Phailgasm 10d ago
Yeah, except the ones funding (bribing) the government are just as bad as the government they are funding
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u/The_Dr_and_Moxie 10d ago
Finally someone calling for punishment for the people in the chat, who remained silent.
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 10d ago
There are 50+ young men out there dating women, working with women, sitting next to women in class, who saw that shit and did nothing. Iād be terrified if I were a student at Cornell!!
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u/Eldritch_Dread 10d ago
That crier for a Bangkok go-go got me, lol.
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u/GroovyYaYa 10d ago
Yeah, not a fan of denigrating honest, hard working people.
But here is the real failure of the university with this whole thing...
In any scenario, they failed. Let us assume that the trolls are right in that she fully consented & just had buyer's remorse. (I don't believe this, but for the sake of argument)
You STILL have (a) wild gatherings at a frat house where unmanaged, unruly sex parties are going on that aren't safe or sane to the point that consent is not clear (people in the lifestyle(s) would be appalled), (b) illicit drugs and alcohol are being taken in massive quantities... and one is ketamine, and (c) your law enforcement agency is edited reports when handed over to the PA.
In all scenarios, they acted inappropriately to say the least.
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u/decisi0nsdecisi0ns 10d ago edited 10d ago
unruly sex parties are going on that aren't safe or sane to the point that consent is not clear (people in the lifestyle(s) would be appalled)
Well said. As someone who has engaged in consensual group sex before, this incident ticks pretty much every box of "What NOT to do". What is more alarming is those who seem to view this encounter as an acceptable way to engage in group sex. No, if you're engaging in sex this way, you are creating a situation where SA is likely to happen.
It seems there needs to be a lot more education for adolescents and young adults about what consent actually looks like in various sexual situations. I'm assuming many of them are getting this info from porn which is definitely not accurate.
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u/Adezar 10d ago
Yes, I know a lot of people don't realize that when it comes to things like orgies, CnC, BDSM, etc where people are living on the grey edges of our puritanical society they have much better practices around consent than your basic bar scene and definitely better than a frat party.
Granted for any non-established relationship if there are drugs/heavy drinking involved the basic rule is "Don't... there is zero reason to take the risk of the person blacking out and not remembering they gave consent and then you are dealing with a complex situation you should just avoid."
Use the basic rule of whether or not they would be legally allowed to sign a contract and be held to it in their current state. If the answer is no, then there is no viable consent and just assume anything they agreed to is legally non-binding which is why you can't be forced to sign a contract while heavily impaired.
Yes means Yes. Establish "no go zones" before having fun, to avoid coercion and make everyone safe.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 10d ago
Our puritan bullshit origins have created this shroud of secrecy and shame where such things arenāt discussed, right up until you make it into a crime.
You could easily have done a signup and have everyone acknowledge youāre going to be doing substances that may limit everyoneās judgement and you are all willingly engaging in the activities. For gods sake these people are at Cornell. None of them are lawyers?
As for any potential drug charges, thatās a heck of a lot better than rape
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u/decisi0nsdecisi0ns 10d ago
You could easily have done a signup and have everyone acknowledge youāre going to be doing substances that may limit everyoneās judgement and you are all willingly engaging in the activities.
I'm a bit confused about what you're implying here, can you please clarify?
You cannot legally give blanket consent for any and all future sexual activity. Joining a party where drugs are being taken (and where you are taking them) does not mean you are consenting to any specific sexual act. I hope that's not what you're suggesting here.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 10d ago
You absolutely can setup preemptive consent for a specific situation like this. Especially where you intend to do substances or roleplay that could inhibit it.
To be clear no, Iām saying she would have to have agreed she was gonna do drugs and have sex with multiple partners tonight. Everything
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u/decisi0nsdecisi0ns 10d ago edited 10d ago
That does not seem to be the case in NY, where consent legally requires it to be active, conscious and given as the sexual activity occurs. I'm not a lawyer, but if you type what you said into google and ask if that's legal in NY, the answer is no.
While establishing consent to engage in group sex prior to anything starting is important, it still doesn't imply that "anything goes". (I'm not saying that you're saying that, but I've seen several other comments along those lines elsewhere.)
Yes, individuals who intentionally put themselves in situations such as this (where drugs are being taken and there is no-one who is sober and responsible for monitoring things) are taking the risk that they could be the perpetrator or victim of sexual assault, but that doesn't absolve any assault that may occur.
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u/superkp 10d ago
OK side note...
unruly sex parties are going on that aren't safe or sane to the point that consent is not clear
This phrasing just cleared something up for me. Something that I knew already, but now it's got organized words for it in my head.
Real sex parties that are good and (presumably) enjoyable for everyone involved will include a lot of rules - like, top-down, "get the fuck out if you can't act within these rules" sort of rules.
the sort of sex parties that these frat party assholes (not only cornell, and not only frats, but you get my point) imagine as being "good" sex parties is that they completely lack the sort of rules that they view as 'holding them back' - holding them back from the sort of sex they want, the sort of women they want, etc.
And this seems to be an echo of the other things that assholes seem to think that 'college life' is about. No rules stopping you from drinking, using drugs, bedtimes, etc, etc, and crucially for all of this, rules around sex. I imagine that nearly all highschool kids also have their parents giving them some sort of rules around sex while they are living at home.
and I don't think I had actually thought about it in this way before: these sex-pest parties (or at least parties where the sex pests get up to their pesting, but that's splitting hairs) are advertised as basically 'here, you can get everything you want with no repurcussions' instead of real sex parties, which obviously have many rules that you are encouraged to play within.
I think that this might be part of why we see so many douchebags are reflexively coming to the defense of the cornell 7 and their ilk - they see someone getting to 'play' in the way they want to be able to play, and don't want our culture to change such that they can have their 'play space' outside the rules. Their play space is threatened, and they want to maintain the status quo that protects it.
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u/Kierland 10d ago
Keith Olbermann, a Cornell alum, dragged the hell out of the administration on his pod on Monday and not once did Waffle House or any go go bars catch a stray.
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u/slothbear02 10d ago
And even if we consider she is lying FOR THE SAKE OF IT, there are still the Snapchat chats, them basically p*mping her out and sharing non-consensual images, and then lying to her when she asked where the other men came from. There are chats that show this isn't their first rodeo.
What I don't understand is, at a place for education, why is alcohol allowed? I also read that sororities aren't allowed to host parties or have alcohol so the only way they can attend parties is by going ot frat parties - the whole system is set up for rape culture. Then there is the thing about not letting students stay in sorority houses for classes during holidays because it will be seen as 'pr*stitution' but men are allowed to stay at frats.
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u/Distinct-Tour5012 10d ago
In complete agreement.
Whatever happened that evening, and I'm sure there will be more twists and turns given how things have been going, it's a complete failure to clamp down on and control frat culture.
More importantly it's a complete policy failure that, even if the DA doesn't prosecute a case given the merits, the university can't point to everything they did proudly to say "look how far we went - everything's above board". They can't do that right now as questions loom over how they handled this.
Even if it's a "fake" case, the university should take it extremely seriously, pass everything to the DA, and if they think students have broken codes of conduct in anything 10 miles from sexual assault, they need to be gone - even if it's "fake" (it's not worth it for the university to have drug fueled frat sex parties even if everything is consensual).
Giving the impression of impropriety is often just as bad as actual impropriety.
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u/ZiggyMcButt 10d ago
Donāt bring Waffle House into this - they would never tolerate such incompetence
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u/Blah_Dee_Blah111 10d ago
There are consequences at Waffle House.
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u/SolusLoqui 10d ago
I believe that's the term for a series of them.
"They suffered a Waffle House of consequences when they fucked around and found out"
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u/locksymania 10d ago
The organisation that keeps on trucking through literal tornados and blizzards does not deserve to be catching strays here.
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u/Kendertas 10d ago
I love that being open after disasters is what they do instead of having a marketing budget. Especially since they have special crews that go in to man stores so they aren't even expecting their normal crew to come in when they likely have to deal with the fallout of the disasters in their own home.
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u/TheDrunkWickerbeast 10d ago
I worked at a Waffle House for all of a week. That might genuinely be one of the hardest jobs Iāve ever had
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u/Baby_Lu_Lu 10d ago
he doesn't have to insult employees of waffle house and go-go bar. I believe they have higher morality than the Cornell presidentĀ
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u/CaliSinae 10d ago
I accidentally read Ā«Ā white houseĀ Ā» instead of Waffle House at first. Everything else minus that and the dis at the go go bar is spot on.
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u/Bigot-Consequences 10d ago
THIS is an appropriate response.
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u/slightlynefarious 10d ago
Agreed, though I also saw another alum (Cornell 93 or 94, I think?) who made a video about her experience saying, rather disgustedly, that this happened when in her time too, and Cornell has come depressingly full circle. Sounded to me like if they were going to fully address this, they might also have some retroactive degrees to recall.
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u/nitrot150 10d ago
But, it does fail to call out the systemic lack of response for these situations that have been going on and swept under the rug for years. It wasnāt just this one incident, itās a problem, and in the Ivy League school, I feel like when itās donāt by the frats or āconnected ā students, it gets waved off more than if it was a regular student as a perpetrator. They need to look at how they handle rape accusations as a whole, not JUST in this case (although this case obviously needs to be addressed too)
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u/asmodeanreborn 10d ago
Not just Ivy League - look at the coverups everywhere regarding starters on D1 football teams. Or hell, we have a sitting U.S. Senator who everybody knew was part of a coverup, and he still got elected.
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u/Status-Visit-918 9d ago edited 9d ago
Dude was soooo closeā¦ and then the Waffle House and Go Go Bar had to happen. It didnāt have to really, just threatening their money alone would have done the trick. But no, weāve all been so over elitist bullshit and Ivy leagues and hereās just another reason why that continues to be lost on these people. That comment added absolutely nothing and the message would not have suffered in any way had that been omitted.
While I do appreciate the harshness of the language, I wish he would just do it, cut them off, encourage others, just get it done, and not make it conditional. These schools donāt need their money but they will panic with the threat of losing it.
Just shut up about people working honest jobs. Punching, what someone thinks is down, is really very wrong. You canāt really stand up to degradation of other humans while simultaneously feeling like you have to degrade other humans to get your point across.
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u/YourOwnComeback 9d ago
Yeah basically 'tolerating a culture of casual mass sexual assault is something a working class person would do...' yikes.
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u/Infamous-Run9429 9d ago
Waffle house employees stay and work during storms and natural disasters so people can get food. like WTF? Funny how even when this class of people gets it right they still f it up.
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u/MouseHouse444 9d ago
Yep. They are so reliable that they are a part of FEMAās disaster rating system. Open with a full menu = green. Open with a limited menu or on generator = yellow. Closed = red. Helps the FEMA first responders quickly prioritise where help is needed first.
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u/TheVirginVibes 9d ago
Agreed. Waffle House employs approx 45,000 human beings. Why take a sideways jab at those people trying to make a living? Unnecessary, truly.
But seriously fuck Cornellās Admin though.
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u/Tex-Rob 10d ago
Why do people give their generational wealth to institutions for profit and churches? Change real peopleās lives instead.
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u/okaylumberjack 10d ago
A lot of people think that the university they attended is uniquely able to affect real positive change in the world and that supporting it's mission will have real world effect on real people for decades to come. Or there's the vanity of having your name on a building, lecture hall, professorship, etc
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u/Netflxnschill 10d ago
Usually there is a scholarship fund in the school so you can request it be placed there or donated to a certain department. When I had money to donate as an alumnus I donated to the music department.
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u/Ok-Improvement2528 10d ago
With the first question being - how do you intend to face alumni and request financial support....it just sums up everything wrong with Cornell
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u/GeneralMusings 10d ago
I disagree. An actively engaged alumni who is well connected, and has lots of money to donate, is speaking the language that a university president understands: "you're about to lose money, fool". Fundamentally, that's what a University President's job is: bring in more money, and avoid any huge scandals. Framing money as the first concern might be the only way to get the Cornell President to do something, or even finish reading the letter.
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u/smthomaspatel 10d ago
Really this just calls out the change in the math around this. The whole reason this got buried in the first go around was because of money, and the need to avoid scandal. Now that the scandal is being aired out in the open, they need to look like they are handling it with a sense of justice but it's too late. The cat is out of the bag.
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u/NWGreenQueen 10d ago
Itās generally the biggest thing that personās job is intended to do. So yes, it is an objectively disgusting fact but itās a fact nonetheless.
My mom taught and was an admin at a major university. All they care about is fundraising, endowments, etc.
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u/erossthescienceboss 10d ago
The point is to speak the language the President understands. And a biiiiiiig part of his job (arguably bigger than actually running the university, that falls to the Deans) is courting donations.
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u/Equal-Bug3954 10d ago
Because thatās about the only thing universities request of most of their alumni - money. Hitting them in their pocketbooks - especially for a school like Cornell whose graduates I expect are very well connected and have funds to spare - is the most effective method in bringing down the hammer on administrators. Marcoās taken the right first step imo. Heās published a scathing letter, rallied others to his cause, and forwarded the same to the Board of Trustees. I hope more Cornell alumni follow suit.
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u/Idiotwithaphone79 10d ago
I am not well off and, English is not my first language. With that being said, does "50% bequest of my estate" mean this dude was going to leave half of his earthly belongings to the school he went to? If this comment is too far off the point of the comment, please disregard it as I'm not trying to diminish his message. I'm just trying to understand it all the way through. Thanks and, sorry if it's a bit ranty.
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u/BeetEater_ 10d ago
Yeah you've got it. If you also think that's a crazy thing to do then most people would agree with you. Like leaving half your money to fuckin Scrooge McDuck.
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u/bachelurkette 10d ago
Right. like, pick literally any real charity, dude. crazy town
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u/PhysicsCentrism 10d ago
Those donations are a form of charity. Endowment money at major universities like Cornell is used to fund financial aid for students. I went to an Ivy and had friends from poor families who got paid a stipend to attend. That money is possible because of the large endowment.
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u/BornInAFish 10d ago
It also directly and substantially supports faculty academic freedom, which is a cornerstone of science which ultimately benefits everyone.
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u/AnyEverywhere8 10d ago edited 10d ago
While I personally wouldnāt leave half of my estate to a university, deciding to do so is (supposed to be) promoting science, arts, and education. Thatās hardly a despicable thing to doā¦
There is no advanced society without promoting intellectualism. Leading universities do amazing things for civilization.
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u/PrimalNumber 10d ago
Helping others by donating your wealth to the university that helped mold you and prepare you to make such wealth is a noble and honorable thing to do, even in todayās anti-establishment zeitgeist
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u/External_Gas5606 10d ago
Financial aid is charity. Keeps these elite schools full of more normal people.
I would agree of the money goes toward sports complexes and such. That's not charity
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u/Additional_Good4200 10d ago
The Cornell President will be gone by Friday. Itās all fun and games until the alumni kick you right in the dollar sign.
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u/Swimming_Ninja_6911 10d ago
Yes thank you. This is the level of anger, outrage and accountability that is warranted. Hopefully this statement, like so many others, won't disappear into the void.
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u/KitchenRelation63 10d ago
It was a good read, until he devalued WH. The employees there probably have more values than those 7 boys.
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u/Dry_Counter533 10d ago
They certainly have a more confident and swift-footed approach to justice.
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u/surenopemaybe 10d ago
Absolutely! If those seven tried that shit at a Waffle House theyād all be in the hospital!
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u/Odd_Schedule2672 10d ago
The only bad thing about this letter is the disrespect for Waffle House employees
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u/Ok-Bear-1754 Tea Party š 10d ago
What are you all surprised for? This is the modern day state of America where you can "grab em by the pussy" according to the chief.
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u/PeakxPeak 10d ago
Crazy how the classism jumped out. I guess it would have been alright if it happened at Waffle House
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u/JamesTheLockGuy 10d ago
šÆ Why is the Assistant Manager of a Waffle House catching strays? Most WH managers are experts in organizational chaos!
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u/WilliamJamesMyers 10d ago
this frat sent a groupchat message that there is free pussy upstairs. what are we doing... any fraternity with disciplined people in charge would have fucking destroyed this immediately. this frat had no such guardrails. this problem imho is daily. not just this jane doe. but like a jane doe somewhere in a frat this happens every weekend shit.
how about not having a frat house for parties? what if there is a commons area all frats use for parties? and not some dark room bullshit house. and we have security.
what pisses me off is someone is angry at me that they can't red cup party anymore because some girl got... so that has to stop. it is no party if in a room in the same house an assault is taking place.
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u/The_Dr_and_Moxie 10d ago
The sad reality is that is a reason that our moms told us to be careful at frat parties and and do all of the other things to try to protect ourselves and our friends when we went out. Itās the men who wonāt take no for an answer unless you fabricate a boyfriend. Itās the men will follow you and scream at you when you donāt talk to them when they feel like theyāre entitled to your response and your time. Itās why women are told to be careful and not make men angry because when theyāre angry, theyāre unpredictable and that put you at riskā¦ā¦
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u/Fred-the-stray 10d ago
I told my husband one time, There are things I have to teach my daughter that I would never have to teach a son.
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u/Due_Ability_3997 10d ago
Yes! I'd like to hear his 10 step plan on how to hold a certain administration accountable for their criminal wrongdoing
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u/voiceOfHoomanity 10d ago
Overall good post but very weird to devalue a WH manager like that
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u/AngryDesignMonkey 10d ago
Epstein.
Files.
The cover up of this type of behavior is ridiculous. We need more people like Mr. Fuentes (with presumed financial leverage) to stand up for this not juat at the collegiate level but on all grounds. While this sh*t at Cornell is awful, what has been documented and known exists in the Epstein files is at a magnitude of scale larger.
None of these men--and these college boys-- should be allowed to go unpunished. Severely punished.
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u/CapitalFloor3260 9d ago
Who the fuck leaves half of their estate to a fucking school???!!!
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u/currently_distracted 9d ago
Many people leave significant portions of their estate to organizations that mean a lot to them, and alma maters are especially important to some people.
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u/Haemstead 10d ago
I thought WH meant White House in stead of Waffle Houseā¦.
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u/InflationLeft 10d ago
I have more faith in the Waffle House than the White House rn
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u/Ok-Masterpiece-1359 10d ago
The main problem is that Cornell receives hundreds of reports of sexual assaults annually and does NOTHING to address it. This is not about one isolated incident.
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u/joshualander 10d ago
No matter what you believe happened at Cornell, heads must roll. No attempt to sweep accusations like these under the rug should be accepted in a place where parents are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for the expectation that their kid is in a safe learning environment.
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u/jerseygurl96 10d ago
Who in the world would leave money to a university? People do that?? Leaving money to a business??
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u/Disturbedguru 10d ago
Oh absolutely... That is huge in Universities like Cornell, Havard ect...
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u/Deathanddisco041 10d ago
Donāt bring Waffle House into this, but otherwise yeah.
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u/Important-Today4119 10d ago
Oh I can't wait for this to go to court and all the messages go mainstream š
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u/throwaway07112024 10d ago
Finally, an angry letter from some academics. And here I thought they weren't going to do anything.
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u/Coriolanuscangetit 10d ago
Heās right too. A lot of people will no longer consider sending their children to that school boys or girls, bc we donāt want our sons involved in that shit either.
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u/Correct-Scarcity5711 10d ago
Who are these boyās parents? What families do they come from? I bet itās something of immense privilege, thereās no other way to explain why they havenāt gotten the book thrown at them.
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u/reddituser21705 10d ago
Agree with everything heās demanding.
Also, why do people hate the Oxford comma? Im genuinely curious.
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u/Justaticklerone 9d ago
Now if only this type of ball got rolling downhill for Trump and Vance to be removed from office for egregious acts of domestic terrorism and multiple violations of the Constitution.
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u/NJFB2188 10d ago
It paints a light on every single big university which in any way prioritizes Greek life over academics. The rest of the world thinks our university system is like a movie. It should not be that way. The weird obsession with American collegiate sports and Greek life has to be subdued. Itās all intertwined. If you truly want change, the frat houses with unsupervised drinking and drugging has to go. Universities are for learning and getting a degree. I donāt care how hard the degree is, young adults do not need to get black out drunk with 80 of their āfriends.ā Cornell might have problems right now, they are one of many schools with this ongoing problem. I loved going away to school, but if I had a kid I might keep them home and do a commuter school. Or explore trades and other career paths too.
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u/Glass-Ad-2469 10d ago
The Greek life for both males and females has devolved into a giant Ponzi scheme ladder in which depraved apex predators abuse the younger "base", graduate, and the base moves up to the next rung.
Sorority "sisters" are "pledged" to provide "charity" support to local events like...golf tournaments...with everyone knowing after the weekend is over- many will come away with nice "gifts" or invitations to another event, a yacht party, or special "alumni" event or whatever.
Frat houses are well known predatory party sites and with the advent of widespread drug availability- anyone setting foot inside would be well advised to turn back and even if consensual and legal behavior is occurring- some poor fool who's name is on a group chat is going down with the rest- even if they were not in the country much less involved.
Greek life- has some explaining to do- I've yet to hear about the local Rotary Grape Club....
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u/MischiefRatt 10d ago
Fuck this guy and his classist bullshit.
An assistant manager in a Waffle House works harder every day than this man has in his life.
He's not wrong about the rest but he is clearly an elitist prick. Let's choose better heroes.
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u/butt-in-ski 10d ago
šš» That is how itās done. This same letter can & should be submitted to another Administration.
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u/pitagryffindor 10d ago
Message was fine without comparisons. No need for humor or show of wealth..
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u/siteswaps 10d ago
If someone got raped at a waffle House I'm certain the manager would be whooping some butt
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u/Significant-Roll2052 10d ago edited 10d ago
I'm officially adding "de facto complicit" to my current and future conversations with my kids when we discuss choices, consequences, and punishments as they arise. This letter had some heavy hits and sadly this story is not isolated to Cornell by no means...but the reactions from other administrations can definitely be improved.
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u/BeingNicole4 10d ago
100% agree apart from taking cheap shots at assistant managers at Waffle House and front-door crier at Bangkok go-go bar.
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u/dddoinyomom 9d ago
Hey now thereās no reason to drag Waffle House managers into this. Those guys wouldāve beaten the shit out of the Cornell 7
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u/Appropriate-Plum-548 9d ago
Loved the letter but letās now sully Waffle Houseāthey have loads of integrity, so much so itās scattered, chopped, topped, and diced for all to share.
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u/Braisedbeefskank 10d ago
Why in God's name did this guy ever have half of his estate going to his college lol
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u/ZestfullyStank 10d ago
Itās common in Ivy League circles. They get a bench or a tree on campus labeled with their name when they die and they have bragging rights at the alumni events
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u/sailorknots77 10d ago
Itās not just Ivy League. Tons of state schools - Texas A&M and UT come to mind - get funding like this. In a lot of cases these guys were solid low/middle class and that education and connections may have earned them millions over a lifetime. They pay it forward by giving the university a ton of money. I personally know several ānormalā folks that will do this.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 10d ago
That money is used to fund financial aid for kids from poor families. Itās why for many poorer families it can be cheaper to attend an Ivy than a state school.
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u/surenopemaybe 10d ago
Extremely unnecessary and elitist trashing of Waffle House employees that undermines a very important message.
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u/Dubliner2000 10d ago
So is there going to be a trial or what? Because right now its a trial of public opinion.
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u/ElonH 10d ago
I mean yeah, that's why people are so pissed. There have been no consequences, no arrests, not even from Cornell.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 10d ago
Students got expelled and suspended. The frat got kicked.
They might not be the consequences you want, but they are still consequences.
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u/fingersonlips 10d ago
When the justice system fails victims, we are left with social consequences.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Way2575 10d ago
I mean, Waffle House employees are known to band together for righteous, morally correct ass whoopings. What an elitist snob.
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u/billleachmsw 10d ago
Not sure why he has to bash the competence of assistant managers at Waffle Houses- other than that, this response is perfection.
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u/Ballerinagang1980 10d ago
These fuckers wouldnt last an hour in a busy bar or waffle house. Thats just rude.
But good on him! They should be mad at stop putting up money!
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u/_goofballer 10d ago
This is 100% performative penance - virtue signaling disgust bc he knows everyone else would be disgusted by the shit he did in the 80s
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u/jeshap01 10d ago
I want alumni of my nearby neighboring alma mater to make inquiries tied to investigations I know died as soon as they were reported over major SA situations like this. The amount of money and power tied to delusional children behaving like monsters and getting away with it has for far too long enabled this shit to continue. I am beyond disgusted and I believe the victims.
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u/FacePalmate 10d ago
Waffle House catching strays. I have mad respect for WH employees - they work super hard and do a great job of getting shit done.