r/PoursTea • u/Fast_Adhesiveness528 • 5h ago
Hearth & Home 🏡 I Know This Feeling ... And I Hate It!
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u/Dont_Touch_Me_There9 5h ago
The Republican Party has turned the American flag into a middle finger.
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u/TenWholeBees 1h ago
The USA did that themselves by invading and slaughtering people around the world
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u/Realistic-Pudding341 5h ago
Unfortunately,so do I
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u/Shades1374 4h ago
Same. Got a neighbour with a 250th anniversary flag and man, I just gotta assume "shitheel"
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u/wallstbull 5h ago edited 4h ago
I have the same conversation with my wife fairly often. She now equates the flag with MAGA trash. I refuse to let them hijack the American flag. Although it is becoming more difficult. 🇺🇸
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 5h ago
I have veteran license plates and American Legion frames (with flag elements) that I specifically placed on my vehicle to reclaim the flag after J6.
It is becoming increasingly difficult to keep the symbols on my vehicle because of the association with MAGA and the assumptions people make.
But, I refuse to let MAGA win the narrative of what the flag truly means.
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u/Secret_Fee1146 4h ago
you know it's interesting; we went through the exact same thing here in Canada after the trucker protests from a few years back, where it felt like our flag was co opted by ignorant malcontents, with many lamenting the loss of pride in it as a direct result. Ironically, it was the USA threatening the sovereignty of Canada that made everyone proud again to fly it. So thanks, I guess.
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u/neopard_ 4h ago
simple fix just put a nafo sticker and a pride flag next to them or sth like that
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 4h ago
Watching MAGA heads explode when someone can have more than a singular position across the board is always fun to watch.
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u/Dense-Law-7683 3h ago
Just like when people were protesting with US and Mexico flags. "Why are they carrying Mexican flags if they want to he here so badly?" Two words: Mexican American.
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 2h ago
They used to say that about the Italians, but they get a pass now. I wonder what the difference is? 🤔
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u/DiabolicalSpaceKitty 1h ago
If you didn't know this, Italians, Irish and Eastern Europeans were given a seat at the Council of European Nations but were not granted the rank of white.
Irish people were even in the slave trade for awhile. They had it pretty bad.
Their perceived membership in what people now consider to be caucasian is a relatively new thing in the last 60-80 years. Racism for them was a problem for a very long time.
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u/wallstbull 4h ago
Well done and I will continue to stand with you! Also, thank you for your service!
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 4h ago
No thanks needed. It has been my honor and something I continue to do in my next phase of life. I will always serve my community in some fashion.
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u/New_Breadfruit8692 52m ago
I have had disabled vet plates forever. I am an out and proud gay man as well as a left liberal democrat that would not even consider voting for any republican (except maybe Adam Kinzinger who like us today resents what that [arty has done to the country and sounds more like a democrat every day) to me saying you are a republican at this point is admitting you are a bigot at the very least and at worst admire Hitler and want to bring back death camps. But the one thing they ALL have in common is corruption, to the core, they are either doing it or cheering it on when one of them scores millions in bribery and "gifts." And that goes for the executive branch, the judiciary, and the congress.
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u/Bacononthebeeach 4h ago
People in other subs have been saying that they’re seeing less trump signs around and yeah I’m seeing less too but they were just replaced by America 250th signs. I swear the only houses that decorated for the 250th 4th of July were the same houses with trump signs. They are the only Americans that aren’t completely embarrassed by our country right now. It’s sad.
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 4h ago
Our 250th should have been a unified celebration, but instead it was depressing, divisive and embarrassing
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u/broguequery 3h ago
Because our country has been stolen by religious zealots and fascist boot lovers
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u/Wheatabix11 2h ago
i was originally pumped about the 250 because the bicentennial was awesome. what f%cking depressing outcome.
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 3h ago
It's part of the strategy. They hijack the symbol of the country and then claim that to be against them is to be against the country itself.
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u/howdoI_lookyellowman 3h ago
They already did it to the Gadsden flag. Don't get me wrong I love the memes that poke fun of it. However, it's like the right lost the entire plot of "dont tread on me" part, it's supposed to mean "if I want to be gay or identify as a gender other than my assigned gender at birth then I should be able to." I've always felt that the Gadsden should be flown next to the LGBTQIA + flag. I'll get downvoted for this, but idc.
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u/LingonberryRare220 4h ago
I wouldn’t hesitate to put up an American flag. I just would also include a sign or other indicator that I’m liberal
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u/Flip_Flurpington 3h ago
it's the same thing with what happened with the swastika.
For millennia, it was perceived as a symbol for peace and universal unity.
Now, current opinion is the exact opposite, obviously.As a non-american, you need to fight and fight hard, coz you're losing.
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u/Own_Badger6076 3h ago
Well the swastika isn't even exclusively german to begin with, and unfortunately your average person is driven by their emotions and has a very limited understanding of history.
Basically people are stupid, short sighted and mainly let their emotions lead them around like a puppy dog. This isn't exclusive to the maga crowd by the way, folks need to remember that and be careful they don't join those who have basically turned themselves into what they hate already while flying a different banner and claiming moral superiority.
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u/Flip_Flurpington 2h ago
We are an intelligent species, but we just choose to be stupid.
We choose, more often than not, to be stupid due to loyalty and love. The irony is, it's loyalty and love that are the epitome of civilisation.
This is the scale, and the weight that will be judged.
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u/TheRumpleForesk1n 3h ago
Same here. Me and my wife decided on an American flag but instead of the stars it's a big peace sign where the stars would be. Still represent, but in our own way. Fk maga trash
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u/accforme 3h ago
This happened in Canada with the convoy. Essentially the Maple MAGA co-opted the Canadian flag for their anti-vaccine, right wing movement.
Ironically, MAGA and, more specifically Trump’s 51st state comments and action have allowed Canadians to retake the flag from the Maple MAGA.
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u/Cheap-Kiwi-1312 3h ago
Yeah I refuse to let them ruin our beautiful flag. I have one in my yard right now and I hate Republicans, never voted for a Republican in my life but we can't let them take the flag. This post definitely doesn't help the cause and just pushes further divide.
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u/The_Defining_Light 31m ago
Hate republicans. Hate a belief that people have and the people who think it. Sounds facist. A wise person would say that you dislike the idea that republicans have, but not the people who think it. After all, its just an idea that aligns to them more then the other. This kind of thinking is evil, but a lot of the left seem to be on this wave length.
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u/DazzlerPlus 1h ago
The flag always meant that. People who are most apart from MAGA wouldn't consider flying a nations flag in the first place lmao.
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u/DistrictDifferent625 4h ago
Posts like this don’t help
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u/Hopsblues 3h ago
Conservatives hate the truth. I make the same assumptions and I'm right like 98% of the time.
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u/VintageK-Po 5h ago
That’s so true. I am deep blue and I have an American flag sticker on the back of my vehicle. No MAGA turd is allowed to hijack my patriotism with their small brand of nationalism.
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u/tzaeru 2h ago
Patriotism is really just one facet of nationalism.
Nowadays nationalism is so deep-rooted and such a strong default that it's barely even recognized. As an ideology, nationalism really means the belief that there ought to be a state for a nation, where nation is the people who share a national identity.
So nationalism is the ideology that says that nation states are a good thing and should exist.
But because that's such a basic everyday mundane thing, we don't talk about nationalism as being that anymore, but instead nationalism has moved to essentially mean aggressive, supremacist, radical nationalism.
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u/VintageK-Po 2h ago
I perceive patriotism as a healthy love of country. And nationalism in its current form as you have described it, if you want to call it radical nationalism, it fits where we are now. History tells me nothing good comes out of that.
What we have most of all is a plutocracy that has pitted many of the rest of Americans against one another, aided by bots like the one commenting on this topic in favor of nationalism.
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u/tzaeru 1h ago
After writing my comment, I tried to sort of google around for the more exact terminology, and I think the concept of civic nationalism and civic nation states kind of hit it. Can be contrasted to ethnocentric nationalism.
Personally I see it as kind of just very likely that "mundane nationalism" or "civic nationalism" sooner or later starts slipping towards "radical nationalism" or "ethnocentric nationalism".
Anyhow - part of what I sort of wanted to say was really that we've weirdly become to lack a commonly understood and shared term for the belief that nation states are something wanted, required, or desired (even tho USA is a federated state, it's in practice a type of a nation state; American people more or less share a national identity even thou it's less about one's ethnic history and more about the American values and the willingness to fit in, and the American state more or less is supposed to be representative of this shared identity by embodying its key values and beliefs).
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u/Fancy_Fairy911 5h ago
Mission accomplished. Trump's job is to destroy America and he succeeded.
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 5h ago
If a large segment, dare I say a majority, of Americans have negative feelings about the American flag after what MAGA has done with it, just imagine how the rest of the world sees it now...
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u/nimblybimbly3000 5h ago
That was the entire point of maga and Trumpers. They finally could openly identify with others, and share their hate and ignorance in solidarity. The Trump gear and soon the flag became symbols of their ideology and a warning to others. Dems need to fly more flags everywhere all the time. Democracy is American patriotism, not fascism.
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u/Indespectamentations 5h ago
Apparently those of us that don't support trump are no longer welcome in this country.
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u/TransFatty 5h ago
That's how I feel, too. But there is nowhere else for us to go. We need to fix our problems at home. (I voted early)
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u/SalmonPrince 5h ago
I'm currently embarrassed to be an American. I think anyone who's even a little honest can relate to that. We have allowed corruption and wealth to hijack our entire political system to the point where there is ZERO accountability for any of our leaders. Trump just tramples and threatens everyone in HIS way, but says it's in America's best interest. Everyone sees the truth. It's a farce. And the American flag currently represents all of that farce.
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u/williamgman 5h ago
There are 4 flags on the homes of my 16 house cul-de-sac here in Los Angeles... Yes, all 4 are solid MAGA. One even hands out little American flags to kids on Halloween. I can only imagine what it's like in the rest of the country. 🤦♂️
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u/EekumBokum100 5h ago
I drive past a farm stand and check the property for signage before I buy a single thing. Fuck the illiterates.
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u/BrodyBuster 4h ago edited 1h ago
It’s a shame, because I proudly fly 2 flags on either side of my garage, and I in no way support MAGA or Trump. I just recently had this same conversation with my 2 kids, that most people driving by would assume the opposite. It’s not going to stop me though. There was a time where that flag stood for something better, and I’m hoping we will get back to that at some point.
Edit: I didn’t realize that my post is that offensive, that people would feel the need to send me DM’s and spew a bunch of vile garbage. The irony being, that’s exactly what’s wrong with this country.
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u/NorthChiller 3h ago
If you’re so inclined, you could fly pride flags below ol glory. That’d clear things right up for passersby
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u/MichaelButWithAnF 2h ago edited 2h ago
Agreed. Fly the American Flag alongside a sign that says "Women's voices matter" or "Fight for our workers rights".
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u/TheEldestNugget 3h ago
There was a time where that flag stood for something better
Well, there was a time that people didn't realize what the flag stood for. It's always been like this, just now the guns are pointed inside.
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u/MisterPuppydog 3h ago
Exactly! That flag belongs to us and the people who founded this country would be pissed that we haven’t revolted and taken it back. There is a difference between nation and government. Nation is the people, and I love this nation.
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u/valonnyc 4h ago edited 3h ago
Enough of us have to vote. And the boycott votes did a huge disservice to those who boycotted.
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 2h ago
There was a time when people flew American flags and the MAGA cultists flew Confederate and Don't Tread on Me flags.
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u/DontTickleTheDriver1 5h ago
No. I've never voted for Trump and will never vote Republican again. I will not let them take my flag.
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u/MooseEmergency2317 5h ago
If anybody is truly patriotic, he or she would be flying the flag at half mast.
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u/SidKafizz 5h ago
Nationalism is half of Christian Nationalism.
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u/crazywrangler616 5h ago
AKA white nationalism
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u/SidKafizz 59m ago
Of course. My point was just that nationalism isn't usually a good thing. Just another tool used to divide us.
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u/CompetitiveFennel681 4h ago
You see that flag flying in the bed of their truck, you know there is a special kind of asshole driving it.
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u/Hairy-Protection-429 4h ago
You know what’s sad? A bot (not from America) posted this ai generated photo in an attempt to convince Americans to be anti-American.
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u/Nice_Usual_9305 4h ago
Ever since Trump hugged and kissed the flag, I cringe when I see it displayed.
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u/61539t9 4h ago
My favorite is the American flag hanging with the confederate flag in the same yard. Aside from the slavery/racism ect...dont they know that flag represents the south try to secede from the other flag you have hanging?
More of a rhetorical question because anyone hanging a confederate flag usually had the IQ of a mosquito but still.
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u/XxFezzgigxX 3h ago
Also American flag hats or shirts with blacked out, subdued colors and any shirt with an automatic rifle on it.
I already know what they drive and how they treat their family.
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u/Exciting_couple77 5h ago
Sounds like you problem. You can love your country and not like your government etc
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u/dingos8mybaby2 5h ago edited 4h ago
Small ones in businesses or stickers on vehicles or a normal US flag on a house is still normal to me, but yeah the flags mounted to vehicles and a house or business being overdone with multiple and/or huge flags is definitely a red flag nowadays.
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u/Sensitive_Ruin_5334 4h ago
Someone said that people who wear the English flag are racist. As an American it seemed like an odd statement. Then I thought about people who were the American flag and it made sense.
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u/Eikthyrnir13 4h ago
If I could fly any flag at my condo, I would definitely put up a pride flag next to the US flag, just so people knew I wasn't MAGA. Probably throw a Cascadia flag up there as well.
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u/Gratuityspine_1779 4h ago
The conditioning to hate your own country was a success. Yes, sad.
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u/Live_Willingness_836 4h ago
This is your fault for making assumptions instead of seeing each person as an individual not a stereotype.
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u/Moist-Implement2908 4h ago
When it smells like a fish, looks like a fish, tastes like a fish, moves like a fish, it’s a damn fish. You’re right, it is an assumption. However, it’s mostly true.
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u/Capital_Fennel_2934 4h ago
Reddit will never ever validate this because it is a cess pool - but you my friend, are the problem
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u/LETSGOTACO22 5h ago
It sucks ,and they fly it with no respect. I fly my flag for my country. NOT ONE MAN !!!!
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u/Florida202020 4h ago
While i find the whole truck thing stupid as well people fly a flag for many reasons. 1 person shouldnt seize your opinion. I proudly raise a flag and someone above said it perfect its NEVER for 1 person its for the concept thst is AMERICA
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u/kaybloc 2h ago
Impressive you know the intent and heart behind people’s intentions without knowing. What super power is this?
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u/LETSGOTACO22 5m ago
I just call it like I see it . Don’t blame me or insult me for what MAGA does with the flag .
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u/InfernalPrick 5h ago
This is a fucking insane take and you probably need to just get off the internet and start interacting with people out in the world. It’s not nearly as polarized as you make it out to be.
You fly the flag with respect, I fly the flag with respect. How could you even know if I don’t? Assuming my political views because I’m proud of my country is wild. By now you’re probably assuming that I’m a die hard republican, and you’d be wrong.→ More replies (2)2
u/Due_Night414 4h ago
It sickens me that this is where we are at. I agree with the commenter about how thoughts go to that whenever I also see an American flag flown. I have to check myself because I know that not everyone is an asshole. Like we should still be able to respect this country and the flag that represents it without thinking that anyone who shows that respect and love is a frumper.
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u/aFAview 4h ago
And when I see the 🌈 flag I know I’m safe.
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u/OkPeace2863 4h ago
Sarcasm? But I honestly feel safe around them.
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u/InTooManyWays 3h ago
No it’s not sarcasm. The worst thing they will do is hug you.
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u/Ok-Frosting-7746 4h ago
Who is dumb enough to make the flag about one person or party?
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u/OkBox6828 3h ago
A lot unfortunately, but that flag has WAY more meaning than that!!
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u/Ptalking_Ptarmigan 2h ago
It's not just one party. Both parties are complicit in what America does; as are the electorate.
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u/Putrid_Guess8098 2h ago
MAGA did, with all the “patriot” nonsense, and 24,000 morons wearing the Constitution and the flag as clothing.
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u/Which-Celebration-89 1h ago
That’s just your own hateful perception. Flag is for everyone in the country.
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u/Away-Button3170 5h ago
I am a registered independent voter and PROUDLY display the AMERICAN flag on my house. You know, THE AMERICAN FLAG. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 That one. F- MAGA.
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u/Anxious-Pension-9610 5h ago
Sad, but true. I question the Allegiance of some that claim to be patriots.
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u/Good_Werewolf1484 5h ago
Sounds like you need to breathe in positivity and exhale negativity.
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u/AsstToTheManager 5h ago
There's a difference between proudly waving the flag and a gaudy show of attention. Driving around with your pickup truck festooned with Trump flags and American flags ain't the flex they think it is. It just screams "Look at me, I'm a stupid MAGAt!"
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u/bizkits-26 4h ago
I fly a flag at my house and I dislike Trump. Flags a flag. We all live in America.
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u/C-Southstream 4h ago
That’s EXACTLY why I put mine out. Screw them. The flag belongs to all of us. Period
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u/de_matrix55 4h ago
I'll consider myself the exception that proves this rule. My flag has always stood for "I'm proud of my country. I'm ashamed of my government"
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u/thewickedbarnacle 4h ago
I want my flags back, all of them. If your group wants a flag, make one. The ones we have already have historical meanings.
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u/goodness-gracious-me 4h ago
There was a time in the US when everyone could be a a proud American. No matter what country you came from, or your grandparents, or great grandparents, came from. If you were born in the US, or took a pledge to be a proud American, you were American. That one little bit of history aside, when 1/2-ish of the US broke away to try to make sure not everyone was equal, this pride in everyone being an American was a unifying thing.
Since that time, one party has worked very hard to limit what it means to be an American AND redefine WHO can be an American. If you don’t conform, or if you don’t toe the line, your citizenship could be revoked.
The other party is trying to return to what the US once was: we can all be Americans, respectful of each other including our differences.
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u/Merijeek2 4h ago
Yup. I really goes back to the Dubya days, but got a massive resurgence due to the Magatards.
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u/Consistent_Cow_6056 4h ago
The worst what? They are a patriot? They love there country? They are a proud American? That’s really sad that you’ve been so jaded.
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u/silbergeistlein 4h ago
I have a flag pole in my front yard that has the flag for the very opposite of what OP is associating the flag with. I look at that flag flying as a way of saying they’re not taking it.
I thought about switching it to a 13 colony flag, but I’m not living in one of the 13 colonies. Then it just became a wasteful exercise in overthinking.
That’s why unless the person is flying some other stupid flag (shout out r/vexillology ) then it’s silly to presume.
I’m sticking with it though. MAGA are some of the most unamerican pieces of shit we’ve had the misfortune of interacting with, and I’m looking forward to the day that these assholes are held accountable.
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u/MrBruno14 4h ago
You know what else is sad? Being alive for the 250th anniversary of July 4, and not wanting to be a part of the celebrations because of what America stands for under our current President.
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u/BigJim_TheTwins 4h ago
Usually depends on how it's displayed and where it is displayed . That's how you can tell who the real patriots are 🙄
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u/QnoisX 4h ago
Eh, I attached an American flag to the back of my e-bike. It does an excellent job of keeping the rednecks in lifted trucks from zooming around me and blasting their horns. So far it's doing a great job!
Heck, it fell off one time when I forgot to tighten it, and the truck behind me stopped in the middle of the road and waited for me to retrieve it. Dude was literally blocking traffic so I could get my flag back safely.
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u/Competitive_Bag_7490 3h ago
Take that flag back. They have their own flag. I've been flying the flag and encouraging others to do so. It's flag of the United States of America. Not a politically affiliated flag.
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u/PLP_fishing 3h ago
You would rather see a terrorist flag? I don’t see you leaving this great country. Bye Felicia
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u/Top-Presenter-369 3h ago
I'm a VET and proudly fly my flag and I am 100% NOT a Trumper. If any neighbor feels like I am, the that's on them. Flying the stars and stripes has Zero to do with whom you support in office, but rather a reminder of what we are capable of as a collective.
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u/UsernameDoug97 3h ago
The flag represents all Americans regardless of your political party, beliefs, background, etc. 1 flag to unite us all.
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u/New_Breadfruit8692 2h ago
I have a flag, I am a 100% disabled vet and consider myself patriotic. But the flag never leaves the garage anymore since it was claimed by and assumed to belong to Nazis.
As a vet I served so we could ALL be free, not just white English speaking homophobic Christian Nationalists. These people are so stupid they do not even understand that Christian Nationalist is an oxymoron and forget asking them what they think THAT word means.
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u/TheManWithTheFlan 2h ago
I have a line of democrat candidate signs in my yard and the American flag waving on the porch. You can show people the flag is for everyone. I'm not letting the crazies win and neither should you
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u/Emergency-Feedback26 1h ago
Interesting view. I’ve served under that flag for over 20 years. I associated with the country the people if you’re ashamed or have negative feelings toward the flag and move somewhere where their flag doesn’t embarrass you.
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u/BB_MacUser 57m ago
Think about it. The US elected a convicted felon, and rapist that is being influenced by the kompromat that Russia has one him, and no one in the Republican party is standing against this. In fact, they support him and cheer it on. Many people were okay with all the deportations until it happened to somewhere near them. A fraudulent citizen (Musk) has spent 1/4 billion dollars in an election year to help elect another criminal (Paxton). I could go on and on.
The democracy experiment in America has failed. We have a government of the, by the, for the oligarchy (not the people).
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u/deathshr0ud 4h ago
Presidents come and go. America is here to stay. If you’re offended by the flag then you need to uninstall Reddit and go take a stroll outside and realize most people don’t care
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u/EduardoMessiah 4h ago
Pattern recognition bro, that's all
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u/backtobasics25 1h ago
Funny thing.. I was thinking the same thing while in the ghetto of my town.
How do you like your side of the horseshoe?
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u/Kindly_Tie_2084 5h ago
I proudly have an American flag on my car. The flag is for the Constitution, not for the fucking maga.
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u/Inevitable_Shift1365 5h ago
It is sad but true that displaying the American flag has become closely associated with trumpism. We must reclaim our flag, our nation and our dignity.