r/interesting • u/tyrion2024 • 9h ago
MISC. A Virginia man inadvertently left his phone recording while he was under anesthesia for a colonoscopy, which captured audio of the doctors: mocking him, instructing a medical assistant to lie to him, and discussing giving him a false diagnosis of hemorrhoids. In 2015, a jury awarded him $500,000.
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u/ryonnsan 9h ago
and because of this, no phone is allowed in the room during surgery. nice
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u/Bhavacakra_12 9h ago
Cop behavior from the medical professionals honestly. Why be better people when you can handicap people's ability to catch misconduct?
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u/Ready-Rise3761 5h ago
sadly this is a common phenomenon (potentially linked to the fact that surgeons have a high psychopathy rate). There was a study about surgeons making degrading and objectifying remarks about naked and unconscious female patients. It showed that the presence of female nurses didn’t reduce the frequency of such remarks, only the presence of female doctors did.
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u/algol_lyrae 1h ago
I'm resistant to anesthetics, and I was semi-conscious when I heard my surgeon come in and torment me over the pain I was in. I'd had my skull and face sawed open for my surgery. There was no opportunity to tell anyone, and the assumption was that I was asleep or delirious anyway.
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u/Particular-Cat-1397 4h ago
That’s because everyone knows the mean girls in high school become nurses
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u/Gnomus_the_Gnome 4h ago
Probably more so the power dynamics that prevent nurses from speaking up against the doctor
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u/BigMadBigfoot 3h ago
My good friend is a nurse and she can no longer sit at the nurses station. This is because one time a doctor came over and wanted to sit down there and all the seats were taken by nurses.
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u/SabrinaEdwina 4h ago
Can vouch. My extremely racist bully sibling is now a nurse post memes about how many lives they save.
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u/MiI0rd 7h ago
Corporate mentality really. Governments are not what we should fear, it’s company’s
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u/Bhavacakra_12 7h ago
Not necessarily wrong but I would fear the gun as much as the person wielding it.
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u/PurpleDragonDix 5h ago
When my daughter was being born, I can recall the nurses telling my mother to put her phone away and couldn't record the birth of her grandchild in case there was malpractice.
Good thing we caught that little line within the video because nothing could've stopped my mom from recording even if it was hospital security.
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u/BorgQuingus67 1h ago
That's actually crazy "you can't record us in case it captures evidence of us doing something wrong" lmao what the fuck
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u/Steephill 5h ago
Medical malpractice kills far more people per year than police do, no one should be surprised the medical fields doesn't want to be recorded.
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u/Key-Abbreviations961 5h ago
Cop behavior has improved dramatically since body cams have become ubiquitous
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u/DeltaVexp 7h ago
Surgery or any operation involving a knocked out patient should absolutely be recorded.
A reminder that millions of unauthorized pelvic exams were carried out on anesthetised women WITHOUT their consent by medical students. A woman undergoing wrist surgery was subjected to a fucking pelvic exam by a student while she was unconscious.
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u/TillyFukUpFairy 6h ago
At 16 was having investigation for acute ectopic pregnancy. Given a bunch of morphine, wheeled of for internal ultrasound without a chaperone. I came round to the tech saying 'I bet you enjoy that, slut'. This was before phones, but I still record all medical appointments and refuse morphine.
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u/Lemon_lemonade_22 5h ago
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Disgusting doesn't even begin to describe it.
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u/TillyFukUpFairy 5h ago
Thank you. I was a long time ago, luckily it only has real limiting effect in very specific situations.
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u/wasabiburning 3h ago
I've had recovery nurses treat me like garbage and yell at me for not following instructions... as I'm puking from anesthesia recovery. But I was too dazed to be able to defend myself.
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u/Geawiel 43m ago
I had my entire colon removed, and a J pouch formed. It took 3 terrible surgeries. I already have severe nervous system damage from chemical exposure in the AF.
The surgeries wiped out my strength and energy. I was having severe trouble keeping hydrated and had to go in for IV fluids a lot. Every appointment I had with the surgeon was difficult to get to. My wife was holding me up and helping me walk each time.
The doc was an ass. "What is wrong with you this time?", as I'm barely able to hold myself up and shaking. Every damn appointment was like this. For a solid 10 days after the second surgery, swelling an inflammation was so bad I felt like I was being gutted alive. Yet this dude expected me to be all fucking rainbows and unicorns.
One of the times I went into the ER for fluids, they did a CT and found a giant blood clot in my abdomen. It was about 5 inches in diameter. They freaked out and sent me to in patient.
Doc came in the next day. "Why are you in the hospital now?", with a flat tone like I was somehow at fault. He said it was normal to get giant clots after abdomen surgery. How the fuck am I supposed to know this? I'm a patient, not a medical professional. I got ER guys freaking out and sending me to in patient. Wtf am I supposed to do? "Nah doc, I don't want to anger the surgeon gods."
This isn't even the most egregious I've been treated by a medical professional (doc or otherwise). I'm not a shitty patient either. I'm pretty upbeat, despite all my issues. Joking, trying to make light of a shitty situation, trying to make the day a little better for those around me. That's me. So I never can understand the animosity.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago
Mass surveillance in every avenue of society except where it's often needed the most.
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u/booleandilemma 8h ago
Organizations are allowed to fuck people, but people can't fuck organizations. This is a core problem with our society. A bank can open up accounts for people who never asked for them and still be operational after the fact. If the ATM gives you extra money by mistake you better return it or you're going to jail for 30 years after they send a SWAT team to your apartment.
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u/Ok-Donkey-3187 8h ago
Yes they will instantly send out half the force for store/bank robbery in progress and send detectives to figure out the case down the road, but take 30+ minutes to send 1-2 officers when you report an active home invasion and then tell you your insurance should cover it and there's nothing they can do. And then when you find the people who broke into your home and stole your stuff on Facebook with pictures of your missing guitars and gaming systems for sale they say it's a civil matter and remind you that your insurance should reimburse you (this happened to a family I know who lives near me)
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u/Common-Artichoke-497 5h ago
Cops only protect means of production
Not the workers
They are paid pension bribes to step on our necks, and they are trained to view themselves "over" civilians
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u/musememo 5h ago
I find it frustrating how easily corporations can break the law and get away with it but private citizens would be fined or jailed if they committed the same crime.
If corporations are now considered citizens, maybe citizens should become corporations.
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u/corgiarmies 6h ago
No patient phones. I see anesthesiologists sitting on their phones in the OR constantly.
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u/tykneedanser 5h ago
Had a back surgery where they wake you up in the middle of the procedure to check nerve response- I was face down and could see my anesthesiologist’s Facebook feed in his lap.
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u/hipkat13 5h ago
I know this maybe a dumb question and irrelevant, but you typically have to remove all your clothes and they put you in a surgical gown before colonoscopies. Where was his phone during all of this?
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u/snmgl 9h ago
Makes you wonder how many times it has happened before and how many times it is still happening.
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u/DifficultDoor1628 9h ago
A friend of mine once tried to take her own life. She was rushed to hospital and resuscitated. While she was still out of it, lying with her eyes closed, she overheard the nurses talking shit about her and calling her ugly.
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u/Professional_Dare_80 7h ago
Nurses seem to be on the extreme end of the spectrum many times. Either they are absolute angels or just some of the most awful people imaginable.
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u/Azirtec 7h ago
Worked in a hospital for a while. Even a lot of those perceived angels aren't the best people. There was a whole trope about "mean girls" becoming nurses, and my experiences have somewhat lived up to this. There are certainly some excellent nurses, but unfortunately healthcare also has a way of sapping & demotivating people into husks.
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u/op_is_not_available 6h ago
I JUST commented (in this thread) about how many nurses were the mean girls in middle/high school.
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u/MaritMonkey 4h ago
sapping & demotivating people into husks.
Something I only learned after my mom donated her body to education is how much effort (some?) programs put into that line between not getting emotionally drained by every patient and still seeing them as people.
Shout out to the Miller School of Medicine for the wonderful ceremony they had for their "patient teachers" (the pun in that they are also "patient" because the students can take their time is intentional :D) at the end of the school year and for everybody I spoke to about my mom during the process referring to her as if she was a teacher (e.g. "her class is going to end on <x date>").
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u/Equivalent-Shine5742 7h ago
That's fair assessment. My friend was a nurse's assistant and was amazed at the dedication and kindness of certain nurses, and she also personally reported two nurses who literally laughed and said things like "oh well not my problem" on fucking up a patients meds or something.
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u/Solarven987 6h ago
My boyfriend has compared nurses to cops. More specifically, nurses are an expected position of authority for cis-het women. It’s a position of trust and supposed “good” standing. They view themselves as their position, and due to the top down hierarchy cliques naturally form. That reinforces mean girl behavior and a sense of authority over those below and those they have been given some sort of charge of.
Also from personal experience as a unit clerk, nurses and clinical associates have a whole set of hazing rituals and overstep boundaries constantly. I had a nurse yesterday say to me, “I know you’re a homosexual, but are you a Christian?” The conversation went somewhat better but still awful. Also unprompted talk about the nurse’s sex lives cause of course I want to hear about that…
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u/MaritMonkey 4h ago
compared nurses to cops
See also: when most of the people you interact with are having some of the worst days of their lives it pretty quickly becomes difficult to maintain a level of empathy that fosters compassion but also doesn't burn you the fuck out.
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u/JustALittleScamp 6h ago
The most insane person I know is considered an excellent nurse. He cant stay in the same town for more than a year without the mask slipping. Hospitals are desperate, so he keeps getting hired despite the concerning number of moves. Oh well.
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u/snmgl 8h ago
That is horrific. Hope your friend is doing better now.
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u/DifficultDoor1628 8h ago
She is actually! She got married a few months ago and her wedding was epic :)
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u/Fast-Nefariousness80 7h ago
My neighbor is in healthcare. I dont think shes a full fledged nurse but shes close in some capacity. Shes been fired from multiple hospitals for messing up patient forms and giving wrong amounts of medication. I dont know how she keeps getting work. Although I do know that her most recent job is out of state.
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u/braincellsinajar 8h ago
When I started transitioning with estrogen therapy, I was growing breasts. Around this time, I had significant heart flutters and had to have an EKG. While the nurse was putting the patches on, she left the room and called another nurse, who proceeded to come in and openly ogle my newly forming breasts while tittering. She called in another nurse and pointed it out to her. I wasn't even asleep, I was openly awake and asking them to please give me some privacy. Only when the doctor came back did they leave. Some people need a smack around the head.
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u/Azirtec 7h ago
It is very difficult for trans people to navigate healthcare, I'm sorry that happened to you. I've heard many stories from my trans friends about poor healthcare experiences, to the point we sort of have a mini-catalogue of medical professionals in our area who are excellent to LGBTQ people to try to stop this sort of experience. Unfortunately this behavior often comes from mid-level providers.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 9h ago
It is very common. When doctors, nurses, and anesthesiologists get in a room together it's not much different than a college fraternity. They torment people, imo. Being highly educated doesn't automatically make them good and decent.
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u/th3rdnutt 8h ago
More people should inadvertently leave their phones recording.
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u/Jactus_Cat 8h ago
I didn’t realize one could have a phone in the room with them while having a procedure done.
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u/PocketButterBandit 6h ago
I've had 14 surgeries and each time they put all of my belongings, including my phone, in a bag and had it waiting for me in recovery.
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u/Imheretotradenow 8h ago
I recently reported this behavior to the hospital. Aides would come into my room to talk shit about other patients. One nurse dropped a pill on the floor and still fed it to me. They would regularly avoid doing their job.
I felt what it must be like to be an elderly person, unable to move freely and relying on others. So I mostly kept my mouth shut until I was able to move and received the survey.
I also wrote about the few nurses I had who were great.
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u/maelle_80 7h ago
I've had a similar experience when I stayed after giving birth. It's eye opening isn't it? Thankfully, I wasn't in the hospital long, but I think of people who have to be. I also wrote about it in a survey
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u/tyrion2024 9h ago
A Virginia man whose doctors’ discussion during his colonoscopy was recorded on his smartphone was shocked to discover that they had insulted him throughout his examination. The vicious words led to a lawsuit, and last week it resulted in a $500,000 verdict for medical malpractice and defamation against his anesthesiologist, Tiffany Ingham (photo in post).
Ingham joked with an assistant about avoiding the patient after the procedure was done. “After five minutes of talking to you in pre-op, I wanted to punch you in the face and man you up a little bit,” she told him after he went under anesthesia. She also said she would place a diagnosis of hemorrhoids on the patient’s chart, even though he didn’t have the condition. That false diagnosis was not contradicted by the gastroenterologist who was performing the colonoscopy, Soloman Shah.
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The verdict came after a three-day jury trial. Shah was dismissed from the case on the first day of the trial, so the verdict stands against Ingham and the medical practice she worked out of, called Aisthesis.
When an assistant told Ingham that D.B. said he got queasy watching a needle go into her arm, Ingham said: “Well, why are you looking then, retard?”
Ingham mocked the amount of anesthetic required to sedate the patient, and Shah followed that up with a comment that another doctor they knew “would eat him for lunch.”
She also called him a “big wimp,” saying, “People are into their medical problems. They need to have medical problems.”
“I call it the Northern Virginia syndrome,” said Shah. “Here it’s holier than thou, too much Internet use, a little too much information.”
The jury awarded $100,000 for the defamation, which was specified as $50,000 each for the comments about the man having syphilis and tuberculosis. They also awarded $200,000 for medical malpractice, and $200,000 in punitive damages.
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u/S0whaddayakn0w 6h ago
As someone whose husband recently had to undergo two colonoscopies, one gastroscopy, several scans and blood tests and two surgeries, this is absolutely horrifying and those awful people using open hostility towards sick people is utterly soul-crushing.
It's hard enough to be there in the first place without such abuse.
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u/Injured-Ginger 6h ago
A juror interviewed by the newspaper said the man’s attorneys asked for $1.75 million, and the $500,000 was a compromise between a juror who thought the plaintiff deserved nothing and others who thought he deserved more.
What absurd juror thought he deserved nothing? I get not awarding defamation in this context. I could even understand thinking the amount being awarded was high. I don't understand thinking that lying to a patient about medical conditions shouldn't result in malpractice suit that awards compensation to the patient.
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u/Rastapopoulos000 6h ago
Someone most likely sharing the same type of belief as the doctors involved. That the man was a "wimp" worrying too much about his possible life threaning medical condition because apparently people read too much stuff on Internet and it's not that bad.
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u/Any-Worldliness-679 5h ago
Some person with no empathy, who doesn't really believe in the suffering of others until it happens to them? What kind of person would that be? Hmmm
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u/Ryuko_the_red 2h ago
This is the type of thing I think of when people say"noone will convict l--igi" yes. Yes there are tons of evil people out there who hate him that love the boots of the rich.
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u/Logical_Adagio_7100 6h ago
As a doctor
Then mean conversation sucks, ppl should be professional.
But the straight up malpractice is absolutely wild. If you jeed to redo the colonoscopy, redo the colonoscopy. Putting people's lives on the line like this is crazy. Shah should have also faced significant penalties.
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u/david1610 6h ago
"too much Internet use, a little too much information"
- the doctor
Wow that's bad, I literally think often that doctors are lucky their industry is so tightly regulated, because if scientists got access to data you'd think medicine would improve drastically. But no, because they want their own little monopolies on their customers records.
Honestly in many ways the medical profession hold back medicine now more than improve it.
Yes there are huge issues with people self diagnosing, however that's usually because access to healthcare is so expensive and getting services take ages.
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u/Logical_Adagio_7100 6h ago
Hospitals arent holding back your records. The system is. Hospitals are working extremely hard to share fata tonimprove efficiency - especially when it cuts their costs
For example the now largest EMR system, EPIC, has rolled out new data sharing so that you can research from any system using their services.
Meanwhile HIPAA laws are so outdated I have to fax medical records between hospitals. I promise, that isn't fun for anyone
And yes, self diagnosis is annoying, and has little to do with medical costs - ppl self diagnosing themselves who are generally healthy utilize the ER like 10x more than the avg person, and demand extremely expensive and damaging workups. Its not me who's going to get cancer from their 20th CT scan, but i really wish they'd listen to me when i say its not needed
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u/troveofcatastrophe 6h ago
Just popping in to say colon cancer in rapidly rising in young adults. They have zero idea why. It’s up 6% year before last, 20% last year. If you have changes to your gastrointestinal norm, get checked! Dont wait!
It’s much more deadly in young adults because 30 year olds don’t think they can get colon cancer and by the time it’s discovered, it’s too late or more radical treatments are needed.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/colon-cancer/symptoms-causes/syc-20353669
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u/Quovadisdomi 6h ago
Mid 30s checking in here. I'm healthy, never smoke or drank and got randomly checked for a colon cancer screening and after a colonoscopy, I got diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer. I had zero symptoms. As much as treatment sucked, I feel like the luckiest person in the world since it was still very treatable. Get screened. It could save your life.
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u/tinyrevolutions45 6h ago
Was that covered by insurance? I feel like that’s the big barrier for folks under 40-45, especially if you don’t have a family history.
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u/Quovadisdomi 6h ago
I asked my doctor for a screening during a physical. He refused to give it to me because I was too young, but relented. The screening led to the colonoscopy which was covered.
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u/ElReyLyon 5h ago
You said you got randomly checked, but say you needed to fight your doctor to approve the test. Why did you feel the need to pursue the test? Are there other screenings you’ve pursued early as well?
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u/thrownawaytrash86 5h ago
I was 38 and a woman. I told them I was diarrhea’ing a lot and having pain with it. They wanted to take a look and they did. My sleeve was behaving awful so I had to have it revised to a bypass because it caused me to have Barrett’s on the endoscopy too. I have good doctors. You have to find the right ones I guess. Mine gives my husband one every year now because he grows polyps super fast and we’re both 40 now.
It shouldn’t be so hard for anyone to get screened if they have symptoms, just because of their age.!
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u/triviahostrob 5h ago
Here's the thing: you can just say you do have a family history.
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u/drumallday 4h ago
Friend of a friend has a family history and unusual symptoms in her 30s and tried to get a colonoscopy. The doctor refused to order one. By the time she found a new doctor and got insurance to cover it (which was another challenge), she had stage 4 and died before she was 40.
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u/Megneous 4h ago
God damn I love living in a country with universal healthcare and getting a colonoscopy for like 30 bucks. Could go to the hospital like next week and get another if I wanted to.
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u/OntologicalShoc 4h ago
With respect to family history: the neat part is that you DO have a family history of colorectal cancer on both sides! They're not going to call your mom to verify.
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u/DrS3R 6h ago
What’s your diet? Stressful job? Just curious
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u/Quovadisdomi 6h ago
Very stressful job, but healthy diet. I'm thin and exercised regularly. It's just exploding among milenials.
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u/DrS3R 5h ago
I’m not a medical doctor, but I’m almost curious the role stress plays. Being chronically online these younger generations seem to face newer stresses earlier on in life. I’m wondering if that’s contributing in some way. Anyways, wish you the best and hope your colonoscopies here on out come back clean.
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u/AwkwardDorkyNerd 4h ago edited 2h ago
I tried asking my doctors for a colonoscopy because I was concerned about some of the gastrointestinal symptoms I was having, and all they said is that it wasn’t likely to be colon cancer, as I’m too young (22), so they straight up refused
Edit to add: My grandpa has diverticulitis, my uncle is dying of bowel cancer, and my mom either has Crohn’s disease or IBS, and they still refused to look into it any further, simply attributing it to stress, even though my symptoms are chronic and have been gradually getting worse for a while.
Edit 2: I’ve seen at least 5 doctors, all of them female, and I do bring my mom as a backup to these appointments because I figured two voices are harder to ignore than one, but the answer has consistently remained a firm no. It isn’t as simple as some of y’all make it out to be. The only thing I haven’t tried that has been suggested is asking them to put on record that they’re refusing to investigate my symptoms, which is what I’ll try next.
Last edit I promise: In short, it’s exhausting to hear everyone essentially say “just keep trying” as if that isn’t what I have been doing for years.
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u/planetdaily420 2h ago
I went to 6 different gastroenterologists for help from age 26-29. Finally one said “if it makes you happy we can do a colonoscopy”. I had it on a Friday and by Monday I was scheduling surgery for that Friday to have the cancer removed and my colon re-sectioned. Fight for yourself and demand the care you need. I am 56 and would be long dead by now if I hadn’t made myself happy and gotten the colonoscopy.
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u/AwkwardDorkyNerd 2h ago
I’ve been to 5 so far, so I mean it’s not like I haven’t been trying. I’m not giving up either but it’s exhausting hearing everyone say “just keep trying” as if that isn’t what I’m already doing
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u/Effective_Pickle_692 3h ago
ask them to put in the appointment notes that you requested it and they refused it. every time i’ve done that they’ve ordered the test lol
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u/WastelandeWanderer 2h ago
Yep, make them document that you asked for a procedure and they refused. Opens up malpractice avenue if you do have cancer and they would t refer you.
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u/EKsaorsire 3h ago
I lied. Lied right to the doctors face. Every symptom is what I had and a deep family history. I’m sorry you were done like that
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u/Nyx_Gorgon 2h ago
I didn't lie, but as soon as I said my stool had blood in it twice a week, and a jelly substance, they sent me to a GI doctor and I got schedule for a colonoscopy/endoscopy immediately. They removed a rather large precancerous polyp (TVA).
I say all this to say - fucking lie. Say you are having blood in your bowel movements. Whatever gets you the colonoscopy. My insurance did not cover it (BCBS), so it was 800$ out of pocket. Expensive, but cheaper than cancer treatment.
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u/Detrimental_Figment 2h ago
Same here. For multiple years I have asked for a colonoscopy referral and she literally has laughed it off. Young people are dying of colon cancer BECAUSE OF DOCTORS. Sure, the underlying cause is likely stuff we are eating, but doctors not giving a shit is the thing causing deaths.
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u/Vxgjhf 2h ago
Similar, but male mid 30's, blood present along with other gastro issues, doctor told me I'm too young, with no family history. My mom committed suicide at 38 with Crohn's symptoms and my dad had major gastro issues and died of OD at 47. Neither would go to a doctor, it's impossible for me to have a family history of anything aside from the heart issues my paternal Grandpa had, as none of my other grand parents went to see a doctor other than ER visits.
Finally got referred for a colonoscopy, was told I had to pay $6k upfront after insurance. So I guess I'll just die if it is cancer...
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u/troveofcatastrophe 4h ago
Did they give you other testing to find out what it could be? It seems like this would be a rule out situation. IBS, ulcers, Crones, food allergies, etc. You shouldn’t have to suffer.
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u/xannieh666 6h ago
I am as low risk as you come. I have 0 people in my family that have had it. I dont drink , smoke or anything else like that. Finally had my colonoscopy done. They removed a pre cancerous lesion and now I have to have another in 3 years. I was shocked
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u/masimbasqueeze 5h ago
Gastroenterologist here - pre cancerous polyps are exceedingly common. I remove them in about 70% of the colonoscopies I perform. It’s good to remove them when they’re small, long before they ever cause you a problem.
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u/One-Earth9294 6h ago
Absolutely get your colonoscopy done. And absolutely sneak your phone in and record. Might save your life AND make you a half a million dollars.
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u/Bon3yards 6h ago
37 years old here. Just finished up with healing from surgery. Stage 3 rectal cancer. Thankfully chemo and radiation took care of it but I still had surgery to try to make sure it didn't come back.
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u/Cappy_Hamper 6h ago
A work colleague just got diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. I would estimate that he is around 40. His first symptom? Coughing—from the lung metastases. He also had metastases in his brain. Talk to your doctor about it.
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u/sergius64 6h ago
What kind of changes?
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u/troveofcatastrophe 6h ago
*Losing weight without trying
*Fatigue
*Change in poop: Black, tar like, or reddish, diarrhea or constipation or both.
*Belly pain (may come and go)
*Feeling full quicker than norm
*Feeling like you still need to poop after pooping
*A lump or mass that can be felt on your abdomen
*Anemia (low red blood cells, hemoglobin)The link may have more
If anyone has a family history of colon cancer, I would recommend getting tested or genetic testing.
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u/Vast-Building-6886 6h ago
Man most of those symptoms are common.
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u/Art-Zuron 5h ago
That's exactly the issue. IBS, Crohn's, hemorrhoids, gas, appendicitis, etc
Even if you show up with these symptoms, doctors often aren't in much of a hurry to figure it out.
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u/Successful-Winter237 3h ago
One of my girlfriends was suddenly bloated for a month. Then her lymph nodes became inflamed. Our mutual friend who is a physician assistant implored her to go the doctor.
She was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at 38 and didn’t make 40.
If you don’t feel right get checked out.
Hopefully telling her story will save a life.
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u/r3art 6h ago
„They have zero idea why“
It’s the shitty food we eat, no mysteries here
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 5h ago
Not like the WHO doesn’t have studies proving the link or anything. The rub is what type of food exactly increases risk.
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u/Pvnrt767 4h ago edited 4h ago
That’s only a partial explanation and does still leave a lot of mysteries.
Especially:
- What percentage of the rate increase is driven by dietary changes vs other factors? Exercise, infectious diseases, psychological stress, smoking, medication, etc. are all also factors to consider in a person’s risk.
- What specific changes to our diets are driving these increased rates? What about our diets has changed in e.g. the past 5 years that would explain how rates have kept climbing?
There’s clearly some association with diet, but established relationships between diet and colon cancer risk aren’t enough to fully explain the changing rates.
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u/SELFINCRIMINAT1NG 4h ago
health agencies have identified likely causes mainly being high intake of processed food. cut down on ultra-processed drinks like energy drinks and sodas, eat less bacon, eat more fiber
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u/troveofcatastrophe 4h ago
As I understand it, that’s what they thought years ago in regards to older people getting it. They don’t know why it’s exploding in young people.
Always better to eat healthy though and avoid cured meats!
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u/naked_avenger 4h ago
Very true! Went on a date recently with a woman whose husband died from a rare form of colon cancer at 30. It didn’t show up in blood tests and he was so young that the docs didn’t do a colonoscopy. By the time they finally opted to do one, it was too late. They had 4 kids.
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u/Canadianweedrules420 9h ago
I just had a failed colonoscopy bc I was thrashing when they inserted the scope. I also punched the anesthesiologist in the face. I can only think what they were saying about me lol
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u/Weedster009 8h ago
Heavy THC use requires higher levels of sedation. You need to tell them you’re a pot head before surgery. 😶🌫️
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u/tryyeezus 9h ago
You're supposed to be anesthetized. Most people would be violent in that situation
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u/Sharp-Sky64 9h ago
We don’t anaesthetise people for colonoscopies in the UK
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u/dodgertodger 7h ago
They also don't anesthetize people for gastroscopy in the UK and many engage in medical tourism to avoid that. A friend's wife is an RN here in Canada and they get a load of British pensioners undergoing dual colonoscopy/gastroscopy while on vacation as it's fully sedated.
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 8h ago
Ya what? Do people simply not get them then?
I was zonked out for mine!
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u/gingerbears11 7h ago
I wasn't given any anesthesia when I had to get my uterus scraped with a blade.
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u/Defiant-Lettuce-9156 8h ago
Something tells me u/Canadianweedrules420 is from Canada
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u/FungusGnatHater 7h ago
Common misconception. Canadian subreddits are full of Americans with names like that.
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u/Canadianweedrules420 9h ago
I was under and don't remember any of it. But bc I'm a long-term opiod user they gave me the most the could before I'd stop breathing on my own. So technically I was anesthetized but just not enough. Apparently it was propofol as well so the good stuff. I'll have to be completely put under to have it done. Yay for me I get to drink the poison laxatives again 🙃
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u/Yeomanroach 9h ago
I stayed awake during my colonoscopy and watched a movie about tunnel exploration and mining. It was riveting.
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u/Just-Aerie-4488 8h ago
I do anesthesia, and in my entire career I have never heard the OR staff blatantly making fun of the patient or even making inappropriate remarks. Yeah I hear the OR staff joking around about their own personal lives and having fun, but never about the patient so to mock them. This place must be incredibly unprofessional or just have 1 or 2 degenerate medical staff.
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u/peach_trunks 6h ago
We just had a scandal in the last year or so at one of our local clinics involving nurses taking pictures of vaginal discharge on the exam tables and posting them to social media. So maybe it’s not as rare as you think.
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u/ImpressionTough2179 5h ago
What’s worse is it wasn’t even vaginal discharge, it was lubricant that the doctor/nurses didn’t clean off of the patient after a Pap smear. So she was mocking a patient for something that was due to her own poor care.
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u/Ok_Hat_6598 5h ago
I remember that blowing up on Instagram and the clinic firing the people who participated in it
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u/emergencybarnacle 6h ago
what the fuck
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u/peach_trunks 6h ago
Yeah the nurses posed with the discharge in the photos. So fuckin weird
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u/notaketchy 5h ago
I don’t understand why people do weird disgusting shit to embarrass other people, like people recording people in a public restroom taking a loud shit. It’s weird lmao
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u/ValentinJA 6h ago
I once overheard a nurse's nickname for my partner. He was unconscious for one week in neurology intensive care. The nurse called him "Small d***".
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u/Grasshopper_pie 5h ago
That's absolutely vile. If they can't treat vulnerable people with respect, they need to find another profession.
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u/CommanderChiliHole 4h ago
I feel like nurses is where probably 99% of this kind of stuff happens. Contrary to what they all like to claim, it’s really not that hard to become a nurse, and you absolutely do not have to be above average intelligence to do it. COVID proved that with all the anti-vax nurses coming out of the woodwork looking to grift off of being the “whistleblowers” to the whole vax conspiracy. Problem is, they all made it up and it’s pretty obvious they did. They just assumed everyone else is as dumb as they are.
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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 6h ago
That’s good to hear. I am sure there are people that read this article and debate not going to get things like a colonoscopy. Myself included.
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u/kindnessincmusic 7h ago
I got emergency surgery at 25 for a life threatening pneumothorax with internal bleeding. Everything went so fast that I arrived in the OR with my boxers on and some jewellery. The doctors started making light fun of me, and one of the young interns suddenly yelled: "Oh shit, I actually know that guy". That's how I know about the story. I can completely understand that a lot of medical professionals do this kind of things to relieve the pressure. The story above is just wild
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u/Dark_Phoenix101 7h ago
Same, but the closest staff that come to talking bad about patients (in my experience) are the endoscopists.
If someones prep isn't perfect they always blame the patient, it can never be just bad luck that the prep didn't work perfectly. They never outright make fun of the patient, but I've often seen them toe the line of calling them incompetent for not doing adequate prep.
I don't know what it is about endoscopists.
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u/RealBigDickBrannigan 5h ago
When I was in residency, we used to say a colonoscope was a 100 cm tube with an asshole on both ends 😄
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u/chamoke 9h ago
Who's the woman
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u/Strong-Champion9092 8h ago
But why are they like that, are they miserable or something
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u/EndOne8313 7h ago
This has to be a weird workplace culture issue too. There's multiple people in that room who are allowing that behavior, and there's likely more who have witnessed it, left the workplace, and not spoken up. This is why whistleblower protections are so important.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago
Superiority complexes are not that uncommon with people who went to college for 6+ years.
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u/reebokhightops 7h ago
Famously, people who didn’t go to college for 6+ years would never. /s
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u/Easy-Bathroom-2914 6h ago edited 6h ago
lol ive worked with janitors who have a superiority complex
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u/Dr_Socko 7h ago
Nah, I went to college for 7 years and I don't think my associate's degree makes me any better than other people.
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u/Azuras_Star8 6h ago
It's not the length of time, but the people the degree attracts. Doctors can be some of the most god complex people ever.
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u/Unusual_Sector_6624 8h ago
Sure, but then again have you noticed how fucked up health care is in the us?
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u/ljgyver 7h ago
Every patient should be given an audio/video of any treatment while under. No exceptions.
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u/ImaginaryStardust 6h ago
It is interesting that there isn’t a way to protect people when they are in their most vulnerable state…we should absolutely require (at patient’s complete discretion) cameras and audio recording in these instances and yes there are ways to secure footage and comply with hippa. Medical professionals should be held accountable. It should be up to the patient to have this footage to protect themselves from malpractice, incompetence or just sociopaths in scrubs.
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u/geesegoesgoose 9h ago
https://apnews.com/article/health-virginia-colonoscopy-c62975d95aa749cea416d8440c19f66b
Just in case anyone wants to read an article, I don't think OP's post has a link to one.
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u/DefinitionTop3930 8h ago
fyi the main issue was the false diagnosis record, not the insults. You can’t sue your doc for calling you an idiot
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u/Inner_Willingness335 6h ago
Doctor: You have a terminal disease.
Patient: I would like a second opinion.
Doctor: You are an idiot.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago
No, but if in possession of such a recording it wouldn't go over too well at the medical board where doctors are held to an oath.
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u/spargel_gesicht 7h ago
Yeah, I would imagine everyone occasionally talks shit about their clients (except maybe, like, nuns?), but the lying on a medical record is a big deal.
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u/Sirrub90 7h ago
Nuns absolutely talk shit.
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u/NameNotAlreadyInUse 6h ago
I had a nun sit at my table during a charity dinner. She was telling us how she and two of her sisters got kicked out of the diocese owned home they were living in because the bishop decided he wanted a new priest to live there. She was saying things like “Apparently one male is worth more than three females.” while rolling her eyes. She was giving them hell.
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u/Cheap_Standard_4233 8h ago
What's with the picture? Was she the surgeon or is this just a random pic?
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u/Reasonable_Sky9688 8h ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59954321
Took 10 years for them to take his license.
Was allowed to resign (not sacked) from the hospital where he was working.
Could say he was allowed to carry on working until he wanted to retire...
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u/12345cuda 6h ago
I’m surprised the hospital didn’t pull the old “we don’t consent to video or audio recordings so it doesn’t count”
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u/Proof-Point-4044 8h ago
The giving an improper diagnosis intentionally part is wild.
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u/Fine-Pomegranate-920 8h ago
Being educated doesn't make you a good person. Some of the most humane and nicest people you will meet are illiterate and uneducated.
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u/Blunter11 7h ago
There is a strand of people who go into prestigious, well paid fields who are stupid assholes. Someone who wanted to be a doctor at 13, studied hard in school and slugged it out through college and residency to manifest their dream is dedicated, knowledgable in their field and has achieved something great, but outside of those specific tasks, could really just be a dumb elitist prick who has in actuality made very few decisions in their life and never been faced with any kind of complexity.
I'm an engineer, and I know plenty of engineers whose entire sense of self is basically the result of being lucky enough to be interested in engineering and apply themselves, without family or misfortune getting in the way.
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u/spacegirl3 6h ago
I'm a field biologist and had to do undergrad alongside pre-med students, and had to teach the required ecology course to them as a grad student. They are some of the most disrespectful, arrogant, unscientific-thinking idiots I've ever had to share a classroom with. They're not curious. They were born knowing everything. They think they're on top of some imaginary hierarchy because they chose a path they think is going to earn them Porsche money. They can't do simple statistics and don't see the point of learning it. I truly hated that they were even required to take ecology because their presence took away from the students who were there to learn science.
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u/Common-Artichoke-497 6h ago
Modern doctors know nothing. Ive been watching them run out of the room and google what I have wrong with me for over a decade.
They barely even know basic medicine.
You have to get deep into specialists, long wait times, and $ to see a "real" doctor now.
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u/locnessmnstr 6h ago
When I was in law school I knew TONS of people that were exactly like this...it explains a lot about lawyers lol
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u/Mundane-Reality-7770 6h ago
Dumb welder that bails out structural's. Column in a warehouse is destroyed. Rather than shoring and replacing he wanted more angle to get scabbed on with flange facing outward. When I tried to convince him replacement would be easier and cheaper. He got indignant then belittled the dumb welder. Great. Find someone else. Lose my number.
Another engineer talks to me. He admitted he can run calcs, but doesn't know what repair methods actually work in the field. I can't weld a 1/2 plate all the way around when you want it 1" off the ground. Can't even see what I'm supposed to weld.
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u/LadyBugPuppy 8h ago
And also some of the most humane and nicest people you will meet are literate and educated.
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u/Brill45 8h ago
Turns out there are all sorts of people in this world. What a surprise!
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u/LadyBugPuppy 7h ago
Yeah, but there is a push against education on social media right now that’s masquerading as anti-elitism. That’s why I made my comment. Start calling it out when you see it.
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u/Adonoxis 5h ago
This whole thread is a cesspit of anti-intellectualism and anti-physician sentiment. Yes, plenty of terrible physicians out there (my wife is a physician and I know some terrible doctors) but people acting like all doctors have god complexes is just stupid. The vast majority of doctors are PCPs and pediatricians who are vastly underpaid and overworked in the US. People are just throwing out attacks based on anecdotes.
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u/forogtten_taco 8h ago
I had surgery, I was in a full hospital provided outfit. Just socks and gown. No where was i able to accidently smuggle in my phone.
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u/throwaway5882300 6h ago
Colonoscopies are one of the most common procedures and they do them almost like an assembly line. I had one a few months ago. In and out in under an hour. My belongings were put into a bag that was kept under the rolling bed that I was on. In the prep room there were six other people waiting to go in at all times. They took someone back every ten minutes or so. As soon as one person left, a new patient would come in.
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u/KookySurprise8094 6h ago
It was in butthole, behind hemroids, did you even read the article.
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u/Borg_Tech_Support 7h ago
They put my clothes, phone and glasses in a bag under the bed and rolled me on the bed into another room.
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u/forogtten_taco 7h ago
Mine was all ledt with my partner in my room. Couldn't bring anything into the steril environment
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u/Bloody_buttplugs 7h ago
Mine was at a holiday inn with a guy named Jerry. Come to think of it I’m not so sure it was a colonoscopy
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u/OkShineOn9383 6h ago
Endoscopies and colonoscopies are not sterile procedures, because the GI tract is not considered inside the body. It’s a tube.
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u/TheRealK95 6h ago
It’s pretty common for colonoscopies. Ive had many done (every two years) because of Crohn’s disease across some big name hospitals, they just have you put your stuff in a bag and put it under the bed you do the operation in typically.
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u/LegitimateGift1792 5h ago
I had this procedure done this spring. They keep all your stuff on a tray under the roller bed they have you on from prep to operation to post. The mics on phones are pretty good and if it was at the top of my stuff it would have captured everything.
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u/Intrepid-Tank-3414 8h ago
WebMD shows she's now working for Saint Lukes Hospital in Lehighton, PA.
https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/tiffany-ingham-28094b0a-dec5-11e7-9f4c-005056a225bf-overview
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u/Ok-Delivery8001 7h ago
Holy shit, my partner had a nightmare experience with her at Saint Luke's. I've heard the OP story before, but I'd never made the connection.
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u/Cultural-Fortune4249 7h ago
Do hospital gowns have pockets? How did he get a phone in the OR?
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